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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: remixx on September 26, 2007, 05:07:49 pm
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for the people that have listened to the leak, do you think it's better or worse than Vanessa's two previous efforts?
I think it's better than Be Not Nobody but as of right now I'm leaning towards saying Harmonium is the best of the three.
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I don't think anything can top 'Harmonium' for me, but I like 'Heroes & Thieves' better than 'Be Not Nobody'.
Vanessa lets me down with her music. All three albums are great.
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I think HaT is Vanessa's best work, by far.
I think this album will be one that people still put in to listen to years to come.
-katia
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better by far than both
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Let me put it this way, I'm a guy who used to always listen to Vanessa's music in private because it USED to be my guilty pleasure-- I was too embarassed to blast it out of my speakers because of how terribly poppy some songs were on the other two albums.
Yet, I feel like I could blast 'heroes and thieves' with my windows down driving down the street.
musically and lyrically it is genius.
one of the best records I have heard in forever.
and once the public hears this I know she'll be getting more attention than ever.
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I'm going to have to give it time. I'm still a little overwhelmed by the whole thing... I have this weird feeling about the production of the album. Is it just me, or do the strings sound fake? I don't know, they're probably real, knowing V... or it sounds like it's just 10 strings, not a full orchestra, which I really miss and really liked about Harmonium and BnN... I really love these songs though! I'm going to have to give it more time before I decide if it's better than Harmonium or not.
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I'm going to have to give it time. I'm still a little overwhelmed by the whole thing... I have this weird feeling about the production of the album. Is it just me, or do the strings sound fake? I don't know, they're probably real, knowing V... or it sounds like it's just 10 strings, not a full orchestra, which I really miss and really liked about Harmonium and BnN... I really love these songs though! I'm going to have to give it more time before I decide if it's better than Harmonium or not.
They're real, lol. :P
I contacted the person who stands in front of the orchestra and tells them what to do with the stick (God, that sounds really bad) and he was telling me what it was like working with Vanessa and what the sound of the album was like, etc.
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It is like A LOT better than Be Not Nobody, not saying that BNB was bad.
To Harmonium, I can't decide. I mean if you compare the themes than H&T is like different than Harmonium of course so in theme wise its like not that great compared to Harmonium. But if you just compare the music and sttuf I think its pretty well compared to Harmonium. I just hold Harmonium close to mee because that album is just so colose to my hert in many ways.
but here are my raitings
BNB: 8/10
Harmonium:10/10
H&T:9/10
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For me HaT is definately the best of the three!! I love ALMOST every song on it...i am soo excited right now...
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This is her best album. There's not one dud on the album. All the song have something to offer. And they all sound so different, but they still mantain the same style.
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I think each song on Heroes & Thieves sounds very commercial. Every song sounds like it could be a single you know? That's why I'm still deciding about it. It's all very good....almost too good. I wonder what some of the reviews will sound like?
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Best of the three.
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Harmonium is still #1 on my list! :razz:
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i think "harmonium" is my favorite out of all 3, just because i love all the songs to death in it, while i like about half of h&t's songs like, lots more than harmonium's, and i like the rest, a lot, too.
...idk if that made sense, i suck at wording stuff :P
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The song Heroes and Thieves sounds like an irish jig rhythmically at first listen. :lol: It makes me want to go to a pub. :)
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I think it's a lot better. I love about half of the songs from BNN and Harmonium, and I'm loving most of the H&T songs.
Also H&T has a new sound, something we didn't hear from her before, and I love it.
The title fits the album great, it has like this knights, dragons and princesses feeling.
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In my opinion, Be Not Nobody is still the best album of all 3.
Heroes & Thieves is, as a whole, better than Harmonium. But there are stand out songs on Harmonium that are amazing (I'm assuming this will happen to songs on H&T the more I listen to it)
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I love HEROES AND THIEVES. Harmonium is very close but i just didn't like Be Not Nobody as much as the new ones. She's surely improved her vocals :)
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Harmonium is still #1 for me. ALthough i like the songs from heroes and thieves i prefer to listen to the live versions instead. I was expecting a big orchestra. I think that some of the instruments/sounds sort of ruin the songs, but then again this is my first time listening to the album and i just need to give it time.
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just so you can judge for yourself...
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Heroes & Thieves beats Hamronium for me because I love every song! Spring Street, Hands On Me, Home, More than This are all extraordinary! Every song hitshome and there are no misses! It is definitely a concept album and it is really cohesive. It does play out like a story but more importantly it's just great music. Like, when an artist digs deep and is totally honest with their music they can produce an album that is just incredible and I feel like with Heroes & Thieves that's what V did! i just want everyone to hear how great these songs are!
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I'm going to have to give it time. I'm still a little overwhelmed by the whole thing... I have this weird feeling about the production of the album. Is it just me, or do the strings sound fake? I don't know, they're probably real, knowing V... or it sounds like it's just 10 strings, not a full orchestra, which I really miss and really liked about Harmonium and BnN... I really love these songs though! I'm going to have to give it more time before I decide if it's better than Harmonium or not.
They're real, lol. :P
I contacted the person who stands in front of the orchestra and tells them what to do with the stick (God, that sounds really bad) and he was telling me what it was like working with Vanessa and what the sound of the album was like, etc.
that person with the stick is the conductor lol
(i'm in orchestra)
but yeah i don't like the production either.
it's gonna take some time to get used to,
but i still like the songs since i fell in love with
the live performances first.
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it seems like heroes and theives took a lot of focus off the piano......like in bnn and harmonium every song's (or most anyways) focus was the piano in some of the songs on h&T i was like wheres the piano
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for me in Harmonium and Be Not Nobody the piano was the most important but it was just there I think in Heroes and Thieves, the Piano kinda guides the way the other insturments are shown and presented for the rest of the song.
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I think it's a lot better. I love about half of the songs from BNN and Harmonium, and I'm loving most of the H&T songs.
Yep.
Loved Harmonium, but I didn't think it was some huge musical genius move. It was good, but it had major faults. Liked a lot of those songs and loved quite a few, but I could listen to Heroes & Thieves over and over again. Love almost every song.
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Hamonium is by faaaaaaaaaar THE BEST!!!
Then Be not Nobody...
then silence
then Heroes and thieves
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Now here's a reeeally long post (and in-depth, I hope). :)
In all honesty, I'd have to say that Harmonium is absolutely V's best work yet. EVERY song seems to be so emotion-filled and true (not to imply that her other work isn't). But aside from the darkness of Harmonium, it really is more captivating and has the ability to run chills up your spine.
H&T on the other hand is a different type of amazing. It's definitely a type of summery album. I kinda think that the album should have been released earlier this year, if all work was completed at that time. It's not the type of album I want to listen when it's really chilly and dark outside. (So I tend to categorize my music by season... call me crazy :razz: ) Nevertheless, the songs are INCREDIBLE, and to be fair, it can't be compared to "Harmonium." They're both great albums (major understatement). But the styles are kinda diverse and you can't fairly compare them. They're simply two incredible albums independently, and feature music of the HIGHEST quality.
"Be Not Nobody" on the other hand is distinguishingly different from the following two. Good for a debut album, but like many of you, I prefer her later work. It is however, a good album to show growth and how Vanessa's developed as an artist. It's exceptional work, although I don't find myself listening to it as much.
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(So I tend to categorize my music by season... call me crazy :razz: )
Haha, I do this too. I have artists that I prefer release their CD's in the Spring, the Fall, etc. Vanessa is all Autumn to me. I actually get upset when they release them "out of season." :lol:
I get a Fall vibe from this though. Not as hardcore as Harmonium though.
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(So I tend to categorize my music by season... call me crazy :razz: )
Haha, I do this too. I have artists that I prefer release their CD's in the Spring, the Fall, etc. Vanessa is all Autumn to me. I actually get upset when they release them "out of season." :lol:
I get a Fall vibe from this though. Not as hardcore as Harmonium though.
Lol... "Harmonium" is totally winter for me. :razz:
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Harmonium was the best for me... HAT is alright.... it is different than her normal things... I like harm more because it was mostly her and the piano, and this is more based on her voice... it is not bad.. but different bnn i pretty good... so i am not sure I guess HAT is tied with BNN
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I think this would have done better released at a different time.... Harm was great for the winter... AMAZING... and BNN was good for the spring... this is kinda late spring early summer album (HAT) IDK
maybe the release time means a lot to me idk
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H&T does have some of Vanessa's best work though ("Fools Like Me," "Home," "More Than This")
...actually, the entire album is memorable. It's actually becoming one of my top favorites!! Haha... I think it's one of those albums I wanna be stuck on an island with. :razz:
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Harmonium will be more liked by the hardcore fans, and HAT will be better received by the general public, in my opinion.
After listening to HAT for a few days I can say that it is one of my top-five favorite albums of all time, but Harmonium is my #1.
HAT is better than BNN by almost any measure.
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It'd be good if 'Heroes & Thieves' was a commercial success and the new fans checked out her old stuff, particularly 'Harmonium, because it's incredible!
I'm rooting for her to come back on top again!
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I still like the other two better. I mean, it's still a great album, and some of the songs in it are my favourites now, but it's not like on Harmonium that you can play the whole album and like every song in it. After listening to the live versions of "Fools Like Me" I just can't listen to the album version, I got very disapointed with it...
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I'm a huge Be not Nobody fan. I don't think anything will ever compare to her first album. It will always be my favorite with songs like Sway, Rinse, Twilight, Paradise...all of them really. Hands down, no contest, the best.
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It is great. Great enough to get me to come back here and make a post, violating my once every two/one year post on nessaholics vow. lol. I am always going to have faves on each album, but there really is a lot of good stuff on this one.
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It is great. Great enough to get me to come back here and make a post, violating my once every two/one year post on nessaholics vow. lol. I am always going to have faves on each album, but there really is a lot of good stuff on this one.
Where have you been???????? :!:
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I find that I can't compare the two albums. Harmonium seems more like a whole body of work...I find the songs fit together perfectly and seem to belong together. H&T on the other hand kind of feels like a bunch of amazing songs thrown together, but they don't seem very cohesive.
I still LOVEEEEEE H&T though.
:)
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I find that I can't compare the two albums. Harmonium seems more like a whole body of work...I find the songs fit together perfectly and seem to belong together. H&T on the other hand kind of feels like a bunch of amazing songs thrown together, but they don't seem very cohesive.
I still LOVEEEEEE H&T though.
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Woah, that's like the opposite of what I feel! :)
To me Harmonium was the pure form of best artistry that Vanessa can do, not so cohesive but it was "organized chaos". It still is the best album that she has made in my opinion. But you can't really compare H&T with Harmonium, they're in different levels of writing, commercialism and production. Harmonium was raw and edgy, H&T is the commercial side and more relatable... so, I say that there's no comparison because it can't be compared. :D
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I think Heroes and Thieves is the best. Harmonium is in second and BNN is third. So I guess she has been improving each album!
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I think Heroes and Thieves is the best. Harmonium is in second and BNN is third. So I guess she has been improving each album!
i agree :)
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Well for me, BNN is raw, Harmonium is developing and H&T is well developed. :)