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Other Topics => Completely Off-Topic => Topic started by: Si on July 24, 2003, 09:51:33 am
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No, I am not gonna post them, but what I wanted to ask:
Isn't showing pictures of dead 'war-enemies' exactly what America did not want?
Or is this ''different'' bc it is for a "good cause"??
Or is this different bc it's America?
I sometimes think that some Americans think they are better than the rest of the world....rules they make do not apply to themselves, bc they are special...
*Si doesn't really get it
(Sorry if I put this in a weird way, but I'm sure you know what I mean
I don't know how else to type it, hehe)
(not that I am not glad they are dead, it is just the idea of the whole thing, showing pictures of war enemies while that's against the "rules" for other countries...)
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No, I am not gonna post them, but what I wanted to ask:
Isn't showing pictures of dead 'war-enemies' exactly what America did not want?
Or is this ''different'' bc it is for a "good cause"??
Or is this different bc it's America?
I sometimes think that some Americans think they are better than the rest of the world....rules they make do not apply to themselves, bc they are special...
*Si doesn't really get it
(Sorry if I put this in a weird way, but I'm sure you know what I mean
I don't know how else to type it, hehe)
(not that I am not glad they are dead, it is just the idea of the whole thing, showing pictures of war enemies while that's against the "rules" for other countries...)
Im American and honestly....whatever, i hope they post those rapist woman beating bastards pictures all over the place so future shmuck terrorists think a bit before they start poppin the good countries of the world
but if they cant post pictures because of some "law"...then yeah, thats whack if they are doing it because they are "americans"....all i know is im not doing it!
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Isn't showing pictures of dead 'war-enemies' exactly what America did not want?
I sometimes think that some Americans think they are better than the rest of the world....rules they make do not apply to themselves, bc they are special...
I get your point Si, and you're right. The Americans condemned Al Jazerer (spelt hideously wrong) for broadcasting pictures of dead american soldiers and now is doing this. In this case, i do believe it was right as it may dispell doubts in Iraquis' minds, however this is the only reason why i believe this is okay.
And yes i agree about the whole 'better' thing, of course not all americans think they are (in fact i think it may just be the government, hee hee) better but that is certainly the message portrayed. And as i was saying to Jason the other day, i think very few americans realise the strength of feeling against them in the world.
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Pete,
That's exactly why I posted that last part, in bold, bc I am GLAD they are dead, and it's not even about them, it's about this so called law, or rule, whatever, that countries cannot show pictures(worldwide) of their enemies they captured or killed
No country may do that, but America (who, I think, made up that rule) shows those pics
I think that's a bit hypocrite...
But that's just my opinion.
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And yes i agree about the whole 'better' thing, of course not all americans think they are
that's why I said 'some Americans"...
And, you're right
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I dont think the rest of the world realizes America's resentment towards them either. Im sick of being a stupid "american" but you know, i have NO choice, i certainly dont have the money or want to go to some other country, its pretty here, people who judge americans based on the government are no better than our government and complete hypocrites themselves
i still wonder when the sun will expand into a red giant and vaporize earth, people cant bitch and whine when they dont exist
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LOL
I think it is funny
(Off Topic, btw)
how people (wherever) say "US" and "WE"
when things go well, and "The GOVERNMENT" when things go wrong
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LOL
I think it is funny
(Off Topic, btw)
that people (wherever) say "US" and "WE"
when things go well, and "The GOVERNMENT" when things go wrong
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screw that Si, i dont represent this shit in any way....you can feel free to shoot me in the head if i ever refer to me and the american government as "we"
but overall, my town is nice, i know lots of nice people, i live well and happily....without democracy i wouldnt have that, so im not going to sit there and shun their ways either, i just mind my own
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Yes
now, back to the topic
I still think the american GOVERNMENT is wrong by showing the world those pictures, even though it is supposedly to "calm the American and Iraqi people" and to "reassure them of their deaths"
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I don't follow all this stuff, it would just confuse me....
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Yes
now, back to the topic
I still think the american GOVERNMENT is wrong by showing the world those pictures, even though it is supposedly to "calm the American and Iraqi people" and to "reassure them of their deaths"
Well they deserved to die right? Anyone who says there arent probably deserves to die too. So what does it really matter? Im so sick of hearing "americans this americans that" . I swear the world goverment system treats people like elementary students and they are a bunch of 6th graders pissing in each others lemonade and pulling the girls pigtails. Im american, i cant deny it, but all this labeling crap makes me feel like a burden on the world and i havent done shit. i didnt go say "sadam be a dick so america gets mad then every other country gets mad at america for getting mad" I didnt, and im doubting anyone else really did, shit happens...some whiny ass foreigners just need to learn that life doesnt last forever and they cant sit there and try to choke the life we are born into forever
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Like I said, it's not really about THEM dying, it is about the American government telling other countries not to show pictures of dead or captured enemies, and then turns around and does that exact same thing they told other countries NOT to
it's not about American people like you...!
*sigh
Don't take this personally, I did not say "Pete did something wrong!" !
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I know but im American and i feel like i constantly have to watch myself because people in other countries hate me for being born here. The stupid picture thing isnt even really a big deal, I dont see why they said they cant post pictures of dead enemies when the world has been since the beginning of wars. WW2 movies and Vietnam movies potray dead soldiers. Its like the governments dont want to look bad and they want to make up new rules halfway through the game...its "War"...its ruthless and murder and destructive...what do they want a cherry on top too? I hate all this war crap tho, for real id rather drink a beer and watch cartoons.
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the same thing, was when the war had just started and people ere SHOCKED that people there got killed!
Goddammit, what the hell do you expect?!
It Is WAR, morons!!!
You think the soldiers would go there to have a cup of tea with the Iraqi soldiers and maybe some milk and cookies too??
THINK!!
My goodness
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the same thing, was when the war had just started and people ere SHOCKED that people there got killed!
Goddammit, what the hell do you expect?!
It Is WAR, morons!!!
You think the soldiers would go there to have a cup of tea with the Iraqi soldiers and maybe some milk and cookies too??
THINK!!
My goodness
si, are you ok?.. *hug* Lol
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by the way
you shouldn't think that way
all people in every country feel kind of that way, I think
I mean, the Belgiums, for example, we think they're dumb (not really, it's just something prejudice
Dutch people are cheap, as in never spending any money (which isn't true either)
Americans think they are better than everybody else, isn't true either
it's just something that will always be here...
no?
you know what I mean?
*Si's english gets worse by the second, *sigh
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PS
Jen, NO!!
lmao
I only want to say that I do not understand that action of the American GOVERNMENT.
that's all.
no?
you know?
no?
yes?
maybe?
urgh
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its ok! Lol just thought you were having a "Jen" moment..
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I sometimes like to have a "Jen moment"
it's nice
;)
lol
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yea it is ..lol and you're doing so well at it right now..hehe
i care about the war stuff though...
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people are weirdos, ive known this for long enough......I just felt like bithcing and whining for a bit.....well i feel calm and happy now!~thanks Si!!
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people are weirdos, ive known this for long enough......
HELL YEAH!!
I just felt like bithcing and whining for a bit.....well i feel calm and happy now!~thanks Si!!
My pleasure
;)
lmao
Jen, thank you!
I try my best
:P
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yay :mrgreen:
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some whiny ass foreigners just need to learn that life doesnt last forever and they cant sit there and try to choke the life we are born into forever
Oi matey! hee hee, i do get your point- i just want people to know that these views are held of them, do u see what i mean? People here just think America can't go around acting like the worlds' police force (but hey, we're not much better- jumping on the bandwagon) but that shouldn't condemn a whole nation, i agree.
And i don't believe you are born into a 'certain life' and i think there are things people can do to change their ways. hee hee, getting all deeeep. haha
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And i don't believe you are born into a 'certain life' and i think there are things people can do to change their ways. hee hee, getting all deeeep. haha
Well what i meant was i was born in america, and i like my friends and family and surroundings so i wouldnt want to be from any other country now. So you see i meant i was born in America and thats where my life is so its not really like i did something bad or am a bad person. It just happens to be where i was created and raised. And im happy here even though some foreigners hate all of us alike.....it does help that there are such nice people from countries that generally hate us though like you rosie and ghis from france....its not like everyone does,, at least the smart people like you guys have open minds....plus im with you on disliking my governments chauvanist ways :)
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*totally agrees with Si*
Here's what a member of the US senate said when footage of deceased US soldiers was shown by foreign tv stations:
First: Iraqi Television and al-Jazeera have aired a lengthy tape of deceased U.S or coalition service members. I understand that some of you have seen the tape; I will not describe it in any detail. Suffice it to say that this tape, which was apparently made with the consent or at the direction of the Iraqi regime, shows fundamental violations of the Geneva Convention obligations.
And now what do the US do? It was exactly the same with the POW's. In the same convention all members of the United Nations agreed not to show POW's in the media. The US government forced CNN not to show the 4 captured POW's but numerouw times they did show iraqi POW's.
I guess the US government doesn't really care about human rights when those humans are the enemy. The people held hostage in Guantanamo Bay aren't treated the way they should be either. Does anyone in the US cares?
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Hmmm...
Ok, you guys have some facts wrong.
The American Government IS NOT and WILL NOT show the pictures. They will not give them to the US media and they will discourage the US media from showing them.
HOWEVER, the Iraqi interim government REQUESTED them to show. And the US decided that they WOULDN'T refuse this request because they want to help the new Gov't gain control over the country and they believe this will help.
So while it is a bit sketchy, it's not quite hypocrisy and it's not illegal.
Now, on to my opinion. I think it's horrible and dishonest as hell. I don't think any government or any media anywhere has any right to show identifiable bodies on national or international media.
Those two fucks may have deserved to die, but their three sisters and 1 innocent brother DON'T Deserve to have people seeing and cheering at the bodies of their dead sibilings. It's wrong, and it pisses me off.
I would expect better out of the Iraqi people and the Iraqi interim government.
---Andrew
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But now they're doing exactly the same thing! It was exactly the same with the POW's. In the same convention all members of the United Nations agreed not to show POW's. The US government forced CNN not to show the 4 captured POW's but often showed iraqi people taken hostage.
The US government doesn't really care about human rights when those humans are the enemy. The people held hostage in Guantanamo Bay aren't treated the way they should be either. But I don't feel like anyone in the US cares.
Oh look, more uneducated and uninformed babble from rroo. There's a shocker.
It's one thing to ASK a question like Si did, and maybe have a few facts wrong. Thats perfectly forgiveable and it's the reason she asked in the first place.
It's a completely different to get up on a high horse and have it turn out that your entire platform is based on INCORRECT facts.
You continue to amaze me. Stay out of political debates, rroo, since you have yet to contribute anything intelligent.
---Andrew
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Hmmm...
Ok, you guys have some facts wrong.
The American Government IS NOT and WILL NOT show the pictures. They will not give them to the US media and they will discourage the US media from showing them.
HOWEVER, the Iraqi interim government REQUESTED them to show. And the US decided that they WOULDN'T refuse this request because they want to help the new Gov't gain control over the country and they believe this will help.
Why did the interim government REQUESTED it in the first place? They don't need the approval from the US do they? This again proves that the US calls all the shots in Iraq.
According to the Geneva treaty (or whatever such an agreement is called) the US SHOULD HAVE refused the 'request'. You can't just make exceptions like this whenever it suits you.
About your other thread..., your arrogance annoys me. If you're so right, tell me why instead of chickening out like this for the 2nd time.
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And now what do the US do? It was exactly the same with the POW's. In the same convention all members of the United Nations agreed not to show POW's in the media. The US government forced CNN not to show the 4 captured POW's but numerouw times they did show iraqi POW's.
I guess the US government doesn't really care about human rights when those humans are the enemy. The people held hostage in Guantanamo Bay aren't treated the way they should be either. Does anyone in the US cares?
And now I will step in and point out why you are incorrect, since my pal Andrew so politely left that out of his tirade... (bad Andrew.. bad bad... :P)
Article 13 of the third Geneva convention says PoWs must be humanely treated and "protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity". But the article does not prevent all photographs of prisoners, and newspapers and TV companies are not bound by the convention, which applies only to states or "detaining powers".
Article 13 does not to cover the bodies of soldiers killed in battle, since they are not prisoners of war. POWs must be protected against insults and public curiosity is understood to mean that thier captors should not allow them to be shown publicly "in humiliating or insulting circumstances". So Iraq coercing PoWs into appearing on TV would be a grave breach of the convention and a war crime, but shots of prisoners of war at a distance and not identifiable as individuals are fine.
It was felt my the interim government of Iraq that the people of Iraq must see these photos to truly believe that these men were dead. It is unfortunate that they are being so widely spread as they are, but in a society held in fear for so long, surely you can understand why you must be sure... HAVE to be sure that they are gone. These people are terrified still... if you lived in hell since the day you were born and woke up one morning to someone telling you the devil was dead... wouldn't you demand proof?
Lastly... those being held in Guantanimo bay are considered "Enemy Combatants" NOT POWs. They do not fall under the articles of the Geneva Convention. The United States is affording them MOST of thse courtesies. But they do not have to.
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And now what do the US do? It was exactly the same with the POW's. In the same convention all members of the United Nations agreed not to show POW's in the media. The US government forced CNN not to show the 4 captured POW's but numerouw times they did show iraqi POW's.
I guess the US government doesn't really care about human rights when those humans are the enemy. The people held hostage in Guantanamo Bay aren't treated the way they should be either. Does anyone in the US cares?
And now I will step in and point out why you are incorrect, since my pal Andrew so politely left that out of his tirade... (bad Andrew.. bad bad... :P)
Article 13 of the third Geneva convention says PoWs must be humanely treated and "protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity". But the article does not prevent all photographs of prisoners, and newspapers and TV companies are not bound by the convention, which applies only to states or "detaining powers".
Article 13 does not to cover the bodies of soldiers killed in battle, since they are not prisoners of war. POWs must be protected against insults and public curiosity is understood to mean that thier captors should not allow them to be shown publicly "in humiliating or insulting circumstances". So Iraq coercing PoWs into appearing on TV would be a grave breach of the convention and a war crime, but shots of prisoners of war at a distance and not identifiable as individuals are fine.
It was felt my the interim government of Iraq that the people of Iraq must see these photos to truly believe that these men were dead. It is unfortunate that they are being so widely spread as they are, but in a society held in fear for so long, surely you can understand why you must be sure... HAVE to be sure that they are gone. These people are terrified still... if you lived in hell since the day you were born and woke up one morning to someone telling you the devil was dead... wouldn't you demand proof?
Lastly... those being held in Guantanimo bay are considered "Enemy Combatants" NOT POWs. They do not fall under the articles of the Geneva Convention. The United States is affording them MOST of thse courtesies. But they do not have to.
lol...i was awaiting this :wink:
seeee! the filthy government isnt sooooo bad!
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Ahhh here's something I can reply to. Thanks!
Article 13 of the third Geneva convention says PoWs must be humanely treated and "protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity". But the article does not prevent all photographs of prisoners, and newspapers and TV companies are not bound by the convention, which applies only to states or "detaining powers".
I know about that article, but if the POW's really were 'protected against public curiosity' they wouldn't have been shown on tv. The footage shot of the POW's often came from journalists who were with the troops during the war. Everything they shot was first screened by some people from the army. They shouldn't have allowed that footage to be used.
Article 13 does not to cover the bodies of soldiers killed in battle, since they are not prisoners of war.
So the guy from the senate (see quote I posted before) is wrong?
It was felt my the interim government of Iraq that the people of Iraq must see these photos to truly believe that these men were dead. It is unfortunate that they are being so widely spread as they are, but in a society held in fear for so long, surely you can understand why you must be sure... HAVE to be sure that they are gone. These people are terrified still... if you lived in hell since the day you were born and woke up one morning to someone telling you the devil was dead... wouldn't you demand proof?
That's not what this topic is about. It's about whether it's allowed to show the pics. I thought it wasn't allowed because of the things I read (like that quote).
Lastly... those being held in Guantanimo bay are considered "Enemy Combatants" NOT POWs. They do not fall under the articles of the Geneva Convention. The United States is affording them MOST of thse courtesies. But they do not have to.
A person is considered a POW if he's a member of an adversary state's armed forces or if he's part of an identifiable militia group that abides by the laws of war. Al-Qaeda members, who neither wear identifying insignia nor abide by the laws of war, probably would not quality. Taliban soldiers, as the armed forces of Afghanistan, may well be entitled to POW status. If there is doubt about a captured fighter's status as a POW, the Geneva Conventions require that he be treated as such until a competent tribunal determines otherwise.
But ok, let's assume there's no doubt, then under the Geneva conventions every "enemy combatant" is still entitled to humane treatment, basic shelter, clothing, food and medical attention. The people in Guantanamo Bay are in chained in small cages with concrete floors and metal roofs. Those cages offer no shelter from wind or rain. Details about sanitary and hygene aren't even available.
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The people in Guantanamo Bay are in chained in small cages with concrete floors and metal roofs. Those cages offer no shelter from wind or rain. Details about sanitary and hygene aren't even available.
How do you know this? I sure as hell hope not :?
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The people in Guantanamo Bay are in chained in small cages with concrete floors and metal roofs. Those cages offer no shelter from wind or rain. Details about sanitary and hygene aren't even available.
How do you know this? I sure as hell hope not :?
From an organisation called the Human Rights Watch. They just sent a letter to miss Rice about it actually.
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if they dont allow them to be viewed or photographed.....how?
ok i wouldnt believe that they dont feed them and let them use a bathroom. also i dont believe that they treat our prisoners very well......I think people are just generally mean to the people trying to KILL them. Then again i have no proof either way, im just curious as to if there was something official i could see.
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*sigh*
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I know about that article, but if the POW's really were 'protected against public curiosity' they wouldn't have been shown on tv. The footage shot of the POW's often came from journalists who were with the troops during the war. Everything they shot was first screened by some people from the army. They shouldn't have allowed that footage to be used.
I think you would have to watch the footage again. I can assure you that any footage shown by any journalist imbedded with Allied troops that would have included POWs would have been from a distance so that the prisoners were not identifiable. Or i they were close up, it was not in a compromising position and not due to coercion. These are both acceptible under Geneva Convention Articles. What is not acceptible is the express coercion of the POWs to appear against their will for the sole purpose of humiliating them or their government. That is why Iraq was clearly in violation with their footage shown on AlJazera.
So the guy from the senate (see quote I posted before) is wrong?
The way he phrased it.. yes. But.. the footage was in violation because in addition to the dead soldiers it showed live POWs as well.
That's not what this topic is about. It's about whether it's allowed to show the pics. I thought it wasn't allowed because of the things I read (like that quote).
OK... so Like i said.. i think he was incorrect in the way he phrased his quote...
A person is considered a POW if he's a member of an adversary state's armed forces or if he's part of an identifiable militia group that abides by the laws of war. Al-Qaeda members, who neither wear identifying insignia nor abide by the laws of war, probably would not quality. Taliban soldiers, as the armed forces of Afghanistan, may well be entitled to POW status. If there is doubt about a captured fighter's status as a POW, the Geneva Conventions require that he be treated as such until a competent tribunal determines otherwise.
You're right that Al-Qaeda fighters get no coverage under geneva convention whatsoever. nor should they. But, due to sheer human nature, I assure you they are afforded even the basics. More than they deserve in my opinion.
But ok, let's assume there's no doubt, then under the Geneva conventions every "enemy combatant" is still entitled to humane treatment, basic shelter, clothing, food and medical attention. The people in Guantanamo Bay are in chained in small cages with concrete floors and metal roofs. Those cages offer no shelter from wind or rain. Details about sanitary and hygene aren't even available.
Actually many of those in Guantanimo have been retuned to Afghanistan already... as recently as last week. But the United states does have very specific definitions between Enemy Combatants and POWs. Truly I don't know what they consider the Taliban fighters. I have seen some of the cages... honestly, my sympathy runs low... but soon they'll be returnedand honestly they do in fact prbably receive medical attn when needed, and easily are allowed to go the bathroom. I will do more research. But I doubt it's as bad as a radical org like "humn rights watch" would like everyone to believe.
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My comments, now that i'm home;
First, I am not debating the behavior of the US in ANY situation OTHER than the dead bodies of Sadam's children. I am NOT saying that the US government is not hypocritical. That would be a VERY difficult argument indeed because the US government CHANGES to so much that it is impossible for it to maintain a SINGLE stance. We change stances every generation. That's the beauty of democracy.
As for the quote from the senator or whatever; just because he is a senator doesn't make him right. Members of government often make untrue, slanted, angled or spun statements just to convince the masses. So don't take the word of a politician; read the convention yourself and make your own decisions.
Clearly, the bodies of Sadam's sons are NOT covered under the Geneva convention... that being said, I still think it's wrong. HOWEVER, even if I think it is wrong, I see the neccesity and i appreciate the decision by the Iraqi government.
As for WHY the Iraqi government had to ASK the us; it's because the film and images were TAKEN by the US. The iraqi government didn't HAVE them. They had to ask us for them. They didn't ask us permission to show them, they asked us if they could HAVE them.
And just as a side note: F' Kate Hudson. I used to like her, but after her recent comments, i wont be seeing a Kate Hudson movie for a long time.....
...except almost famous... which I already own and is an AMAZING movie inspite of her.
---Andrew
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And just as a side note: F' Kate Hudson. I used to like her, but after her recent comments, i wont be seeing a Kate Hudson movie for a long time...
After how her last movie did at the box office... it appears you're not the only one... ;)
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It's not illigal to show pictures of dead people on TV. Especially when they put up notes that they are highly graphical.
And Americans don't think they are better then everyone else...it's the other people in the world who think that we think that. Do you guys feel lower then us?
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It's not illigal to show pictures of dead people on TV. Especially when they put up notes that they are highly graphical.
And Americans don't think they are better then everyone else...it's the other people in the world who think that we think that. Do you guys feel lower then us?
Hmm.
I didn't read everything yet, but what I would like to say
I made this thread, bc I want to know whether it's right that the American government showed pictures of their war enemies while they told other countries not to
How many times do I have to say this?
lol
IT IS NOT ABOUT AMERICANS THINKING THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD OR WHETHER IT IS 'ILLEGAL' TO SHOW THOSE PICTURES ON TV.
Stick to the main topic, jeez
*goes to read the rest now.
:)
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heh. i dont know Si i find it all rather interesting :wink:
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I actually don't give a flying rat's ass about politics, LMAO
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i dont care about the political side so much..im interested in the treatment of prisoners.
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I have strawberries, would you like some?
Oh, btw
I am home, lol
I was sneezing all damn day and when I finished my work at 3, my boss told me to go home, but she wouldn't tell anyone, so I get paid normally, heehee
Nice boss
;)
I wonder if there will ever be peace in the world...What do you think?
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I would love a strawberry!! =)
I dont know about the possibility of world peace though, too many jerks. Its like you cant go to a bar or club without some people wanting to fight everyone who looks at them or even bumps into them. As long as people like this survive and grow up to be here and there in our government systems as well as end up dictating other countries...we are screwed.
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Hmm.
I didn't read everything yet, but what I would like to say
I made this thread, bc I want to know whether it's right that the American government showed pictures of their war enemies while they told other countries not to
What you will realize when you read the rest, is that the US government DIDN'T show pictures of their war enemies. :wink:
Which renders the main point null, so we moved on to other ones.
---Andrew
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I would love a strawberry!! =)
I dont know about the possibility of world peace though, too many jerks. Its like you cant go to a bar or club without some people wanting to fight everyone who looks at them or even bumps into them. As long as people like this survive and grow up to be here and there in our government systems as well as end up dictating other countries...we are screwed.
What are you trying to say here buddy? That i'm some kinda jerk? That I don't belong in government? I don't think I like the way you're talking about me, buddy. I think I'm gonna kick your ass.
And stop lookin at my woman! :wink:
---Andrew
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Hmm.
I didn't read everything yet, but what I would like to say
I made this thread, bc I want to know whether it's right that the American government showed pictures of their war enemies while they told other countries not to
What you will realize when you read the rest, is that the US government DIDN'T show pictures of their war enemies. :wink:
Which renders the main point null, so we moved on to other ones.
---Andrew
They didn't?
Was it just the media then?
(I didn't read the rest completely, too many words, I get distracted too easily, can't concentrate and translate, lol)
I would love a strawberry!! =)
I dont know about the possibility of world peace though, too many jerks. Its like you cant go to a bar or club without some people wanting to fight everyone who looks at them or even bumps into them. As long as people like this survive and grow up to be here and there in our government systems as well as end up dictating other countries...we are screwed.
What are you trying to say here buddy? That i'm some kinda jerk? That I don't belong in government? I don't think I like the way you're talking about me, buddy. I think I'm gonna kick your ass.
And stop lookin at my woman! :wink:
---Andrew
Who's your woman?
LOL
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They didn't?
Was it just the media then?
(I didn't read the rest completely, too many words, I get distracted too easily, can't concentrate and translate, lol)
It was actually the Iraqi interim government. The US media hasn't shown them either. No one in the US has seen the pictures to the best of my knowledge. The US DID give the pictures to the Iraqi government, but the Iraqi government were the ones who decided to show them.
Who's your woman?
LOL
The immaginary one Pete is sitting at the bar trying to flirt with when he bumped into me. Duh. :wink:
---Andrew
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I would love a strawberry!! =)
I dont know about the possibility of world peace though, too many jerks. Its like you cant go to a bar or club without some people wanting to fight everyone who looks at them or even bumps into them. As long as people like this survive and grow up to be here and there in our government systems as well as end up dictating other countries...we are screwed.
What are you trying to say here buddy? That i'm some kinda jerk? That I don't belong in government? I don't think I like the way you're talking about me, buddy. I think I'm gonna kick your ass.
And stop lookin at my woman! :wink:
---Andrew
No, you were one of the kids who always got beat up by the jerks :wink:
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It was actually the Iraqi interim government. The US media hasn't shown them either. No one in the US has seen the pictures to the best of my knowledge. The US DID give the pictures to the Iraqi government, but the Iraqi government were the ones who decided to show them.
Hmm, coz it was all over the news here, in my tiny little rainy country, that the pics were all over the news in America
I dunno anymore
*sigh
Btw, those pics, I didn't think that they were ...what's that called again, graphic..?
Who's your woman?
LOL
The immaginary one Pete is sitting at the bar trying to flirt with when he bumped into me. Duh. :wink:
---Andrew
*drags Pete away from Andrew's woman
"No, Pete, down boy, down!!"
;)
oh, and thanks, Andrew
I like to know what's going on, but those HUGE posts sometimes confuse me, I can't read all that!! I need someone to explain in kiddy language to me what's going on!
lol
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Si!!, dont touch me like that! :evil:
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Hmm, coz it was all over the news here, in my tiny little rainy country, that the pics were all over the news in America
I dunno anymore
Yeah. No US media agency has shown them, nor has the US government given them to the US media. I immagine you could find them online somewhere, but you'd have to search. I read and watch lots of news reports and I haven't seen them.
Btw, those pics, I didn't think that they were ...what's that called again, graphic..?
I have no idea. I get the impression they were taken after the bodies were hauled out and cleaned up a bit so they aren't bloody and graphic. But like I said, I haven't seen them.
oh, and thanks, Andrew
I like to know what's going on, but those HUGE posts sometimes confuse me, I can't read all that!! I need someone to explain in kiddy language to me what's going on!
lol
Not a problem. I'm always happy to help inform!
---Andrew
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whatever Andrew, you are just mad that i called you a fruit loop in the Kobe thread when you were trying to act all "tough" :wink:
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hard to say really, a part of this country wanted for Uday and Quasy Hussein to have been killed, along with their father, and I doubt anyone will deny that fact. I think some people wanted the war to end, and just end, which they got to see signs of when they pulled down that big Saddam statue in Baghdad......for others that wasn't enough, they needed to know the evil that got us there in the first place could never cause any more problems for the rest of time.....Saddam, Uday and Quasay Hussein were evil, I also doubt anyone will deny that fact. To see them dead is to see the evil dead, those people who we know have done these bad things we now know are no longer a threat. I don't feel the point would've gotten through if they just said "The sons of Saddam Hussein are dead"......because throughout the course of the war we were given information that we never knew to be true or not (i.e. the announcement that during one of the initial bombarments that we hit the building containing Saddam and co.) Not to say I have no faith in the intelligence agencies of our nation, but to hear something and blindly follow it is one thing, but to see it is to know for a fact that it's true, and I think for some people it might provide some kind of comfort, moreso than to hear something but have no proof of. Though they might've been bad people, they were still people with dignity, which I think our government still tried to show even though they displayed the photos they did, because they didn't show and point out every wound on the body, they gave you a visual of each of their faces, that's it, which to me doesn't throw into their face that we won............normally I try to keep my political views kind of inwards, it normally causes unnecessary debate and sometimes confusion, but some things have to be talked about, this is going to be remembered just as well as the American Revolution 100 years from now, therefore I don't think it's anything I or anyone else should hide from. Anyway, if I confused anyone I'm sorry, wasn't my intent, the intent was to put a single viewpoint on the situation, whether you agree or not, we're all in it together.
I will now go back to my normal self, making bad timed jokes and saying things that make little sense, thanks for putting up with my lone serious moment of the year, adios :wink:
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dum de dum
ANDREWWW
I need you to translate that!
LOL
;)
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dum de dum
ANDREWWW
I need you to translate that!
LOL
;)
Lol. He just said "Uday and Quasy bad. I'm glad their dead. Rah!". heheheheh.
Or something along those lines.....
...actually, I'm illiterate... but I'm a really good guesser.
---Andrew
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whatever Andrew, you are just mad that i called you a fruit loop in the Kobe thread when you were trying to act all "tough" :wink:
What does that mean? Fruit loop? Is that a gay joke? Are you saying you don't like gay people? Homophobe? sheesh, you should be ashamed of yourself :wink:
---Andrew
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Lol. He just said "Uday and Quasy bad. I'm glad their dead. Rah!". heheheheh.
Or something along those lines.....
...actually, I'm illiterate... but I'm a really good guesser.
---Andrew
Yay
thank you!!
LMAO
whatever Andrew, you are just mad that i called you a fruit loop in the Kobe thread when you were trying to act all "tough" :wink:
What does that mean? Fruit loop? Is that a gay joke? Are you saying you don't like gay people? Homophobe? sheesh, you should be ashamed of yourself :wink:
---Andrew
LOL !!!
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whatever Andrew, you are just mad that i called you a fruit loop in the Kobe thread when you were trying to act all "tough" :wink:
What does that mean? Fruit loop? Is that a gay joke? Are you saying you don't like gay people? Homophobe? sheesh, you should be ashamed of yourself :wink:
---Andrew
A gay joke!! Your mind is in the gutter! You thsilly boy :wink:
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Hey... did I mention... I am ad-glay that Uday and Qusay are ead-day...
ahh the language of the other white meat
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Hey... did I mention... I am ad-glay that Uday and Qusay are ead-day...
ahh the language of the other white meat
Ugh. Leave it to Jason to kill a thread with a bad pun :wink:
---Andrew
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Oh you think that's bad do ya???
How about this... rumor has it that Saddam named his WMD program "Operation G-Spot"
That's why no man can find it and certainly can't put a finger on it...
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hahaha.....
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And in case you were feeling kinda bad that they were dead... remember just exactly who they were when they were alive:
LOVE RIVALS FED TO LIONS
Saddam Hussein's oldest son, Uday, fed his love rivals to caged lions, according to reports.
Sadistic Uday, who was gunned down in a shoot-out with American troops last week, employed executioners to help carry out gruesome killings at his whim.
And his chief executioner has now told how he helped drag two 19-year-old students into a cage at Uday's farm to be devoured by the beasts.
The 36-year-old executioner, who has used the false name of Abu Ahmad, told The Sunday Times: "I saw the head of the first student literally come off his body with the first bite."
Ahmad was then forced to watch as the lions ate the two men.
"By the time they were finished, there was little left but for the bones and bits and pieces of unwanted flesh," he said.
He later learned that the victims had "competed with Uday where some young ladies were concerned".
While he worked for Uday, Ahmad took part in mass beheadings - on one occasion decapitating 36 people in a single day, including a pregnant woman.
Recruited from the Iraqi army into Saddam's elite security force, the Fedayeen, Ahmad was put in charge of Unit 18, which carried out personal missions for Uday.
On his first day in the job, he was taken to Uday's compound and ordered to behead a prisoner.
"The prisoner did not utter a word," he said.
"I think he had by then resigned himself to his fate. I knew nothing of the man."
But Uday never watched the killings, preferring instead to have them video-recorded and then watch the tapes alone.
According to The Sunday Times, Ahmad now fears being captured by American troops and has surrounded himself with weapons in case they find him.
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who here says he/she isn't glad they're dead?!?
fucking bastards....
I'M GLAD THEY'RE DEAD!
Thank you.
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It's not illigal to show pictures of dead people on TV. Especially when they put up notes that they are highly graphical.
And Americans don't think they are better then everyone else...it's the other people in the world who think that we think that. Do you guys feel lower then us?
Hmm.
I didn't read everything yet, but what I would like to say
I made this thread, bc I want to know whether it's right that the American government showed pictures of their war enemies while they told other countries not to
How many times do I have to say this?
lol
IT IS NOT ABOUT AMERICANS THINKING THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD OR WHETHER IT IS 'ILLEGAL' TO SHOW THOSE PICTURES ON TV.
Stick to the main topic, jeez
*goes to read the rest now.
:)
I did stay on topic. Not trying to sound mean or anything but maybe you should read over your post...
your exact words were...
I sometimes think that some Americans think they are better than the rest of the world....rules they make do not apply to themselves, bc they are special
and I was simply replying to that saying we do not think we are better than everyone else. What I have seen so far in my lifetime that it's usually people from other countrys who have in their mind that since we are a powerful contry we think we are better than everyone. Well thats so untrue. And also it's comments like yours who make it sound to other people like americans think we are awesome! Sorry it's untrue.
And I'm sorry for being the only one to say this but whatever. No one would say it even if they felt the same way as me because everyone loves you. Sorry for being the bitch....
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I said I think that some Americans do that
You speak for everybody in your entire nation?
And I don't quite get this part
No one would say it even if they felt the same way as me because everyone loves you.
and,
Sorry for being the bitch....
Who says you're a bitch?!
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And I'm sorry for being the only one to say this but whatever. No one would say it even if they felt the same way as me because everyone loves you. Sorry for being the bitch....
You're OBVIOUSLY not sorry for saying it, because if you were, then you wouldn't have said it.
And I'M the asshole? ROFL!
---Andrew
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*answers question to the original question*
I am glad they got them, but if they were going to show the pictures i wish they would have done it only on Iraqi TV...I was eatting and the last thing i wanted to see was some messed up face on TV.
And I was wondering how it was okay for us to show them, but not okay for al jazeera(sp?) to broadcast them. They said it's because they weren't prisoners of war...but if they caught them before they shot them would they have been prisoners of war?
*is confused*
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I am glad they got them, but if they were going to show the pictures i wish they would have done it only on Iraqi TV...I was eatting and the last thing i wanted to see was some messed up face on TV.
LOL
Am I'M the asshole? ROFL!
---Andrew
LOL !!
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*answers question to the original question*
I am glad they got them, but if they were going to show the pictures i wish they would have done it only on Iraqi TV...I was eatting and the last thing i wanted to see was some messed up face on TV.
And I was wondering how it was okay for us to show them, but not okay for al jazeera(sp?) to broadcast them. They said it's because they weren't prisoners of war...but if they caught them before they shot them would they have been prisoners of war?
*is confused*
??? Did they start showing them on American TV?!? When?!? You sure you saw them on TV here Joe?
When they first came out, American media wasn't showing them... likely cause they didn't HAVE them.
---Andrew
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they showed them on CNN or MSNBC and then about an hour later they said we aren't going to show them...
I'm not blind...
some people had the tv on, I just came back from breakfast...
and then the next day they showed them in the morg(sp?) too.
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I don't think they should have shown the kids' bodies on US tv. It seems a bit hypocritical to me for us to get upset with Iraq for showing pictures of our soldiers on Iraqi TV, but then parade them all over the TV screen when we kill two of them. Couldn't we have just put them on Iraqi TV to serve the purpose of proving to the Iraqis that they are dead?! What was the purpose of displaying them on US TV???
But I'm still glad those fuckers are dead. Even though I'm still against the war.
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It seems a bit hypocritical to me for us to get upset with Iraq for showing pictures of our soldiers on Iraqi TV, but then parade them all over the TV screen when we kill two of them. Couldn't we have just put them on Iraqi TV to serve the purpose of proving to the Iraqis that they are dead?! What was the purpose of displaying them on US TV???
That was kinda the question of this thread.
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they showed them on CNN or MSNBC and then about an hour later they said we aren't going to show them...
I'm not blind...
some people had the tv on, I just came back from breakfast...
and then the next day they showed them in the morg(sp?) too.
Ok. I'm most assuridly not saying you didn't see it, because I wasn't there and I don't know... but what I will tell you is that all of the news agencies were insiting last week now that they have not and will not show the footage. Now, I haven't heard or seen anything to indicate that they have changed this stance and I haven't talked to anyone else who has seen them.
Maybe you saw something else? They have been showing footage of the captured body guard.... WHICH I am THUROUGLY opposed too.
But let me reiterate.... this is not the US Government that is being hypocritical.... it is the us NEWS AGENCIES. And i would NEVER deny that they are shady.
---Andrew
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i won't post the pictures here...
but here is a link from FOXNEWS...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92829,00.html
if you don't want to see the faces, don't go there...
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they showed them on CNN or MSNBC and then about an hour later they said we aren't going to show them...
I'm not blind...
some people had the tv on, I just came back from breakfast...
and then the next day they showed them in the morg(sp?) too.
Ok. I'm most assuridly not saying you didn't see it, because I wasn't there and I don't know... but what I will tell you is that all of the news agencies were insiting last week now that they have not and will not show the footage. Now, I haven't heard or seen anything to indicate that they have changed this stance and I haven't talked to anyone else who has seen them.
Maybe you saw something else? They have been showing footage of the captured body guard.... WHICH I am THUROUGLY opposed too.
But let me reiterate.... this is not the US Government that is being hypocritical.... it is the us NEWS AGENCIES. And i would NEVER deny that they are shady.
---Andrew
Um. Joe's right on this one. They were showing them all over the TV.
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Well, based on what I just read, I find it fairly repulsive that some US media outlets would show this kind of thing. Releasing them in Iraq is defensible, releasing them in the US is not. While technically not against international law to do so, I still dont approve.
Not like W cares about MY approval anyways.....
---Andrew
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Well, based on what I just read, I find it fairly repulsive that some US media outlets would show this kind of thing. Releasing them in Iraq is defensible, releasing them in the US is not. While technically not against international law to do so, I still dont approve.
Not like W cares about MY approval anyways.....
---Andrew
Yup yup.
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And I'm sorry for being the only one to say this but whatever. No one would say it even if they felt the same way as me because everyone loves you. Sorry for being the bitch....
You're OBVIOUSLY not sorry for saying it, because if you were, then you wouldn't have said it.
And I'M the asshole? ROFL!
---Andrew
You are the asshole! You fucktard!! ohh and that time I'm not sorry for saying that because I know you are a jerk and have nothing better to do then start arguements with me and other people who you think are weak. You fucking asshole...consider minding your own buisness or is that something you don't know how to do? Yeah that's what I thought!!
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You are the asshole! You fucktard!! ohh and that time I'm not sorry for saying that because I know you are a jerk and have nothing better to do then start arguements with me and other people who you think are weak. You fucking asshole...consider minding your own buisness or is that something you don't know how to do? Yeah that's what I thought!!
BE NICE IN THIS THREAD!!!
If you got something like this to say, use PM's!
Thank you.
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And I'm sorry for being the only one to say this but whatever. No one would say it even if they felt the same way as me because everyone loves you. Sorry for being the bitch....
You're OBVIOUSLY not sorry for saying it, because if you were, then you wouldn't have said it.
And I'M the asshole? ROFL!
---Andrew
You are the asshole! You fucktard!! ohh and that time I'm not sorry for saying that because I know you are a jerk and have nothing better to do then start arguements with me and other people who you think are weak. You fucking asshole...consider minding your own buisness or is that something you don't know how to do? Yeah that's what I thought!!
LMAO! way to go..! :mrgreen:
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*answers question to the original question*
I am glad they got them, but if they were going to show the pictures i wish they would have done it only on Iraqi TV...I was eatting and the last thing i wanted to see was some messed up face on TV.
*is confused*
rofl...you guys are funny :D
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You are the asshole! You fucktard!! ohh and that time I'm not sorry for saying that because I know you are a jerk and have nothing better to do then start arguements with me and other people who you think are weak. You fucking asshole...consider minding your own buisness or is that something you don't know how to do? Yeah that's what I thought!!
ROFL!!! THAT WAS HILARIOUS!
Fucktard?!? I love it!
Tempertantrums make me laugh
Si, sorry her tantrum ended up in what was an otherwise enjoyable thread..... :wink:
---Andrew
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lol
you don't have to appologise, you didn't type it, did you?
;)