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Any thoughts, comments, about this upcoming movie?
It's supposed to be as historically accurate as possible about the final days of Christ before the cross.
Why couldnt it be in English??? Mel Gibson is english like the rest of us, it doesnt have to be done like a foreign film. I HATE subtitles. Most movies like that I prefer waiting for the DVD so I can have the English language track (ex: Crouching Tiger, Brotherhood Of The Wolf), and when it comes time for the DVD I hope they include an Eng track!
However.... I may go see it in theaters anyway just so I can hear the song by David Hodges (http://forum.nessaholics.com/viewtopic.php?t=3738) & Ben Moody (http://www.benmoody.com/) (both formerly of Evanescence) in the movie. :wink:
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i can't wait for this film to come out....just think man, Gibson didn't want it to have subtitles at all....
i think this will be a great film...it's already getting criticized.....but hey....if the Pope liked it, then that should count for something, haha....
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all the big and theaters are being rented out by churches where I live and people are going to be allowed in for free. They are evening renting them out completely in Dallas area! It's supposed to be amazing. It's about the final hours of Christs' life. Young children won't be allowed in due to some of the graphic material from what I've been told.
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i can't wait for this film to come out....just think man, Gibson didn't want it to have subtitles at all....
I know! Which scares me there might not be an English track later.
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I didn't know it wasn't in English.
I saw something where they were previewing the movie to invited people like clergy etc. They all seemed impressed. I want to see it.
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I think he should've stuck with the no subtitle idea You could follow the story line without them. . .That would have been interesting. Perhaps the DVD will have a NO SUBTITLE, option . . . hehehe
(not to mention I'm not allowed to agree with kev eh eh)
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i like subtitles better because i can't take a movie seriously when the words don't match the lips. I keep thinking Sunday afternoon kung fu theater. LOL
Also, since I could understand Crouching Tiger in Chinese I realized how inaccurate the translation is. I couldn't understand every word because I only know conversational Chinese but they could've made it more interesting by using more appropriate translation. It was funnier than it appeared in English.
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Apparently the pope approved of the movie (my religion teacher told us). He said something like, "It is as it is" or something along those lines.
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Apparently the pope approved of the movie (my religion teacher told us). He said something like, "It is as it is" or something along those lines.
"It is as it was"
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Urgh! It's not going to be as good as JCS ;) (not to mention you can't have a very good musical with subtitles :P) but I have plans to MAKE AN ATTEMPT (ADD) to watch it.
PS The subtitles thing, it's not like if there WEREN'T subtitles, people wouldn't know what's going on. Seriously, "I wonder how this ends . . ." But there was something about, like Brian said, how Gibson's original plan was to NOT have them, and the whatever was like, 'No, we have to have subtitles for those American retards', or something. :\
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if I wanted to read the movie, I'd grab my Bible.
I dont go to movies to read.
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wow i was looking for the name of this the other day...I want to see it! It looks really interesting.
I saw the preview on some show on like ABC, and that was the first/last time too. It said there was a big controversy around it, but for somereason I haven't heard about it. They are also not advertising it here for some reason...maybe once it gets closer to opening?
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I won't be seeing it.
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I won't be seeing it.
that's too bad
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ugh! Screw Mel Gibson and his stupid movie. The soundtrack has been canned.
*boycotts*
read the Bible instead.
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I don't read the Bible to read :D
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i can't wait for this film to come out....just think man, Gibson didn't want it to have subtitles at all....
I know! Which scares me there might not be an English track later.
Subtitles don't bother me...
Don't you know that the English dubs for anime/ foriegn films typically suck, not only with the lip sync, but the actors don't really give much effort, like in CTHD. *ecch*
Besides, Jesus didn't speak English :p I thought you above all else would want the purist version.
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What I think is great about the Passion is the fact that it's all in Aramaic and Latin :D [shameless promotion of antiquity]Maybe it'll encourage more people to learn the coolest language ever spoken![/shameless promotion of antiquity]
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i'm totally pumped about this movie..my church has bought out a showing and i'm going to see it! woo hoo!! and i'm all about the whole movie being in the apparent language they spoke in the time of Christ!
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I'm excited to see it! It looks really good!
We were talking about it in Religion today, since we're studying the historical Jesus. I think we're going to go on a fieldtrip to see it! I have fun fieldtrips coming up! Lol, to see the movie, to go to a crime lab, and to go to six flags!
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ugh! Screw Mel Gibson and his stupid movie. The soundtrack has been canned.
*boycotts*
read the Bible instead.
that's a negative
and WTheF are the spamming about this movie on LJ! They spammed my friend and I. Lame...
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Any thoughts, comments, about this upcoming movie?
It's supposed to be as historically accurate as possible about the final days of Christ before the cross.
Why couldnt it be in English??? Mel Gibson is english like the rest of us, it doesnt have to be done like a foreign film. I HATE subtitles. Most movies like that I prefer waiting for the DVD so I can have the English language track (ex: Crouching Tiger, Brotherhood Of The Wolf), and when it comes time for the DVD I hope they include an Eng track!
However.... I may go see it in theaters anyway just so I can hear the song by David Hodges (http://forum.nessaholics.com/viewtopic.php?t=3738) & Ben Moody (http://www.benmoody.com/) (both formerly of Evanescence) in the movie. :wink:
Ethno-centric much?
It didn't happen in English, so why SHOULD the historical recreation be in English?
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I apologize in advance...
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Kevin finding excuses not to see it because he thinks he'll cry when he see all that suffering Jesus went through and remembers that it's to make up for his sins, Kev's sins that is.
Yeah he'd cry. I know. I'm psycho---I mean psychic! hehehe
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Kevin finding excuses not to see it because he thinks he'll cry...
Kevin doesnt cry, and is boycotting this movie!
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tsk tsk tsk
So defensive . . .
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Kevin doesnt cry, and is boycotting this movie!
Me too. I'm boycotting Jesus' death. In fact, I'm boycotting good Friday and Easter while I'm at it. And cancel Christmas!
That'll teach Mel to glorify the life of our savior!
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Me too. I'm boycotting Jesus' death. In fact, I'm boycotting good Friday and Easter while I'm at it. And cancel Christmas!
8O
Lol.
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Why was there a sound track to begin with? I don't think they were jamming during the crucifixion. :roll:
And all throughout no one has said anything about the most awesome supporting cast member ever, Mary Magdelene, who sold herself for coins. :D
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Why was there a sound track to begin with? I don't think they were jamming during the crucifixion. :roll:
ROFL
hahhaha
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ok....I'm dying to see this movie...I know...Jew seeing a movie about Christ...weird...but I think it will be enlightening.
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ok....I'm dying to see this movie...I know...Jew seeing a movie about Christ...weird...but I think it will be enlightening.
not weird! I want to see it soooooooo bad now!
doesn't it come out on ash wednesday, or somethin'?
Manda
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yup.....I'm going to wait until it comes out on video because...my parent's aren't going to want to see it and you can't get in alone with a person 18 years or older...they're being really really stricked about it too because it's so so I can't find the word to describe it.
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well there is just a lot of hype about it giving the Jews a bad name and that some things may or may not be true. that Mel Gibson didn't do a good job and such, but I think it looks great.
:)
I'll have to go w/my sister since she can buy me tickets. weirdness.
Manda
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well no one knows what truely happened...they don't have history of what happened...just gospels...
I'm not really sure why the jews are getting upset about the movie...unless of course in the movie the jews are portrayed at the ones who killed Jesus because that isn't what happened at all....
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same here, I'm still seeing the movie.
sometimes people make a big deal out of things like this when they shouldn't.
:?
Manda
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well if in the movie it is shown that the Jews are the ones who killed him there should be a big deal....because we DIDN'T kill him. And Mel Gibson says he is such a dedicated Cath...perhaps if in the movie it shows we killed him he doesn't know as much about his religon as he thought.
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the virgin mary was played by a Jew and she said it did not affect her at all.
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and in the movie it shows that the roman's killed christ or put him on the cross.
Manda
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ohh ohh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well...Jesus was a jew right? Or Mary had to have been a Jew right? There you go. hahaha
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Jesus was a Jew, yes.
:D
Manda
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well no one knows what truely happened...they don't have history of what happened...just gospels...
There were historians and such back then that wrote about it, too.
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okay my boycott is over, seems they made a right decision for once and decided to put the CD out anyway on April 6th.
So I'll probably see the movie next week or something.
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me too.
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lets all see it together!
j/j
:D
I really wanna see it, can't wait.
Manda
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OMG! my 'world cultures' Teacher says if we go see this and bring in the ticket subb and write a 1 page paper on "how it made us feel" she'll give us extra credit!!!!!!!!!
WOOOO!!!!
i SO want to see this. :)
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my Christian Faith teacher said that we may see it at paramount as a fieldtrip! And if we just go, not only will we get to miss some school, but he'll count it as extra credit (like getting an A on one of his big tests!) :D
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Its sold out here!
*sighs*
i want to see it so bad, but not next saturday, thats my first game!!!
:D
Manda
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! And if we just go, not only will we get to miss some school, but he'll count it as extra credit (like getting an A on one of his big tests!) :D
WOAH! You'd better jump aboard that wagon pretty quick! But equally, that makes NO sense that you get extra credit if you see it. : :?
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I just saw a preview for Passion on tv last night...It looks really great. Most of the reviews say it's very powerful, or so I've been told. I hope it's not very gory...I can do blood (in reasonable amounts), but not gore...I'll have to wait to see what the movie reviewer in my local paper says :razz:
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I hope it's not very gory...I can do blood (in reasonable amounts), but not gore...
Gore isnt the issue, there will be a lot of blood, but the human suffering is the major issue of the movie.
I'm gonna try and hit a showing tomorrow.
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What happened to the boycott beevee?
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What happened to the boycott beevee?
Inspired By CD is coming out afterall.
...but not with the Trading Yesterday song which sucks, but I'll go to the movie anyway.
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aww boo hiss for you ;) I say boycott it still ;)
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I saw the movie this evening.
It really hits hard.
Everyone should go see it.
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Oh man, you lucky duck!!!
I so want to see it, I have to, its going to be so great I know it, I can feel it!
Manda
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My mom said that her friend saw it, and it was very powerful. Like everyone just sat in the theatre in silence watching the credits. I also heard it was very moving. I don't know if I'm ready for it yet.
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My mom said that her friend saw it, and it was very powerful. Like everyone just sat in the theatre in silence watching the credits. I also heard it was very moving. I don't know if I'm ready for it yet.
I am, I am!!!
I want to see it so bad, we were talking about it for a long ass time in my english class, now I'm really psyched!
its a must see for me!
Manda
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i'm going tonight....just bought my tickets....can't wait....
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well for some reason i feel a bit discomfort from it all, i mean ever since its been playing people have been taking it a bit too serious, i mean it would be nice if people got closer to thier beliefs etc. but seeing some who are sooo interested in this movie makes me wonder about little things, like humm why a sudden intrest in it all of a sudden, is people really affected by the movie or is it just because of the way it was actually "made"...hearing about the overdoing of blood violence and such really discomforts me...i don't understand why "such things" are needed in this world to get people to understand something ...i liked the original Jesus film..it was good enough for me and based on great things
however, i heard this passion was a great movie, so i wont judge it until i see it..
btw, i read something that said the pope didn't like this film...
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It's powerfull... I can't say much about the movie except that everyone should go see it at least once...but I couldn't go see it again very often due to the content... it's so hard ...
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It's powerfull... I can't say much about the movie except that everyone should go see it at least once...but I couldn't go see it again very often due to the content... it's so hard ...
yeh thats how I felt about it too for the most part.
I do wanna see it again, but will wait and buy the DVD.
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It's powerfull... I can't say much about the movie except that everyone should go see it at least once...but I couldn't go see it again very often due to the content... it's so hard ...
yeh thats how I felt about it too for the most part.
I do wanna see it again, but will wait and buy the DVD.
yep...
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I must see it, is it really very gruesome?
Manda
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I must see it, is it really very gruesome?
Manda
is that the only reason you care to see it because if so then you'd be better off watching a horror flick...i'm not too sure about this film, lots of things are questionable in my mind, and it seems everyone enjoys watching christ suffer and ever since its been leading to arguements and such, if i am not mistaken because thats all its about from what i hear, major overkill of beaten....
it may be powerful, but i dont want to sit there and watch a film without the power of love etc :?
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i dont want to sit there and watch a film without the power of love :?
But it is about love.
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i dont want to sit there and watch a film without the power of love :?
But it is about love.
well from reading reviews it seems like its an insult to jesus...
i dont know , i may watch it, i still feel a bit discomfort
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An insult to Jesus? How so?
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An insult to Jesus? How so?
i don't know, but being close to god and reading something by someone reviewing it as "the jesus chainsaw massrce" makes me wonder about the movie...
According from others the movie is only based on him getting beat and suffering and with all the gruesome and bloody work , of course its gonna attract an audience..which is why i think more and more people are so interested...
however like i said i havent seen it but by reading such things i feel its nothing but an insult...etc
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god jen, I just asked that question because I don't like movies that have all this gore in them.
:P
Manda
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god jen, I just asked that question because I don't like movies that have all this gore in them.
:P
Manda
:) shhh. i am saying nomore about this movie....
God is in my heart, and thats all that matters
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He's in my heart too.
:heart:
Manda
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People want to see it, because it's just another re-enactment of Christ's life or a part of it. Just like JCS was so big when it first came out in the theatres, even when it was a play it was huge. They want to see how someone else portrays His life, so they can either ridicule Mel, or give him praise. Just like people do with everything else.
The only group of people I can think of, wanting to go into a movie because of blood and gore is a group of 8 year old boys. But, you know.
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I just saw it yesterday and it was good. It wasn't as brutal as I was expecting because of all the talk about the violence but I felt the same about Saving Private Ryan. Of course that could be because I enjoy watching live operations on TV too.
Honestly, I was more moved by The Last Samurai. I guess you have to be religious to feel emotional about it. It was well made though.
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i just got it on VCD and its not so bad.
;)
i like it. Not very emotional yet..but we'll see.
Manda
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i just got it on VCD and its not so bad.
;)
i like it. Not very emotional yet..but we'll see.
Manda
Really? Don't you think that ruins it - just a little?
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Wow....hard to watch at time, but a very powerful and very good movie.....two thumbs up
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who wants to take me to see it? huh huh?
*looks*
*watches the dust settle*
:(
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who wants to take me to see it? huh huh?
I would if I could but you dont need to go with anyone. When you see the movie, its about how it impacts you alone.
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oh god.. I am actually going with my mom some time this week. I just have to beg.. and beg somemore.. SO I'll tell ya what I think :wink:
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oh god.. I am actually going with my mom some time this week. I just have to beg.. and beg somemore.. SO I'll tell ya what I think :wink:
Who goes to a movie with their mom? Dork. :)
I'd take you to go see it, but you're underage and I'm sketchy :dr evil:
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oh god.. I am actually going with my mom some time this week. I just have to beg.. and beg somemore.. SO I'll tell ya what I think :wink:
Who goes to a movie with their mom? Dork. :)
A good little fairy like myself. mm hmm :D
I'd take you to go see it, but you're underage and I'm sketchy :dr evil:
I would not go to the movies with you, in a shoe
with a shoe, get a clue !!!!!!!!!
hahaha, <3
WAIT.. who you calling underage? OMFG.. learn to read. :roll: :roll:
Anywho.. I saw it, and I really liked it. I already talked about it.. with BV, so um, yea.. The part that really touched me was when Mary saw him as a child and he fell at the same time trying to hold the cross..
One of the most beautiful images I have seen, is at the end when the crown of thorns soaked in blood and the nails/stakes are laying against the rock. That image alone said more to me than I am willing to express..
andrew is a goober.
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OK.. for the sake of pwning Andrew.
http://forums.nessaholics.com/viewtopic.php?t=5056
BWHAHAHAHHA, IWINDONE.
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*yawns*
this movie was awful in my opinion.
boring and very duddy!
on a scale of one to ten....I'd give it a 4.
:?
Manda
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*yawns*
this movie was awful in my opinion.
boring and very duddy!
on a scale of one to ten....I'd give it a 4.
:?
Manda
you have seen this movie?
if so, how'd you get in, you're young...
or are they letting youngins in...???lol
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they let you in - my friends whole (catholic obviously) high school went. . .walked 3 miles on ash wednesday to it.
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I think it's actually something good for people to watch.
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Supposidly this movie is very anti-Semitic and very faithful to John's gospel (which is anti-Semitic), is this true?
And I also heard it's not very faithful to the historical Jesus.
But like 99% of the people I've talked to who have seen it say it's amazing and they loved it.
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Jen, Jen, Jen...someone once told me, that your not a true mexican until you own a bootleg video. Since I am hispanic, I own many bootlegs, on Sunday night we went and picked up The Passion of the Christ movie, I watched it about two times, and didn't like it.
:P
Manda
(youngin' my ass! 17 year olds are allowed to watch R rated films!)
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(youngin' my ass! 17 year olds are allowed to watch R rated films!)
yes... but you're only 16, right? atleast that's what it says below your name
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yeah but on my ID it says that I'm a Junior at Redondo Union High School blah blah blah...so when I go to the theaters I am allowed to watch R rated movies.
:D
Juniors [this year] are supposed to be born in 1987, like me, so the look for Junior, and when they see it on My ID they let me go in and see the film.
Manda
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Jen, Jen, Jen...someone once told me, that your not a true mexican until you own a bootleg video. Since I am hispanic, I own many bootlegs, on Sunday night we went and picked up The Passion of the Christ movie, I watched it about two times, and didn't like it.
:P
Manda
(youngin' my ass! 17 year olds are allowed to watch R rated films!)
when you say picked it up, you mean at the store?..lol
yer confusing me..sorry
and why didnt you like it?
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I would not go to the movies with you, in a shoe
with a shoe, get a clue !!!!!!!!!
hahaha, <3
WAIT.. who you calling underage? OMFG.. learn to read. :roll: :roll:
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andrew is a goober.
Blah blah blah.
Actually, you caught me. I can't read or write. :dr evil:
Yeah, and notice I didn't post on your birthday thread? Yeah. So, take that! Whos the goober now?!? hu?!?
I PWN j00000000000!!111!!1 133T 4 3\/r!!
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Supposidly this movie is very anti-Semitic and very faithful to John's gospel (which is anti-Semitic), is this true?
And I also heard it's not very faithful to the historical Jesus.
But like 99% of the people I've talked to who have seen it say it's amazing and they loved it.
There are issues.... let me see if I can find the post my divinity student friend made on another board.....
"So anyway, I just got back from seeing this movie. I don't recommend it to any non-Christians. Definitely do not see it if you are not Christian. Only Christians should see it. Well, now that the reverse psychology is out of the way...
I'm rather stunned. It was a hard movie to see. I told myself that no matter what happened I would not avert my eyes from the screen and I stuck to that.
I found myself thinking numerous times that I wanted to devote my life to Jesus Christ, which is rather ironic in a way. It was nearly overwhelming.
I tried to keep myself focused upon how true the movie was to the scripture. Gibson et al did a good job on the whole. It was reasonably exact with a few exceptions where the writers did some guesswork as to what might have happened to certain characters before, during and after key scenes.
Things that do not appear in scripture that I liked:
1. The frequent appearances of Satan. While I felt that this was a useful and even symbolically excellent device, it is not exactly scriptural.
2. The torment and eventual death of Judas. Vivid, frightening and very good, but not in the Bible. In Acts, Judas flings himself off a cliff and his entrails burst, etc. In the movie, he just hangs himself.
3. The second thief on the cross makes light of Jesus' promise to the first thief and is immediately set upon by a raven, which pecks out his eye.
Things that do appear in the scripture that were left out:
1. The actual blame. They did not subtitle the high priest's condemnation of the Jewish people, which I found disappointing. The claim is made: "His blood is on our heads and on the heads of our children."
2. Much of Jesus' sayings and responses to his accusers.
3. The scene in which they put a sack over Jesus head and taunted him. To me, that is one of the most gripping parts of his torture and it makes me want to just beg forgiveness every time I hear it or read it. I wish they had put that in the film.
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My thoughts? It's too early to tell. I will sleep on it and hopefully not have nightmares about it. So far I believe: Every Christian should see this movie at least once a year to remember what it's really all about.
Non Christians: Stay away. And get the large popcorn. And accept Jesus Christ, the Messiah, as your Lord and Savior. "
Edit: And on the anti-semetic comments... well, Jesus WAS killed by the Jews. It's like making a movie about WW2 and saying it is anti-germanic. Well DUH.
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I would not go to the movies with you, in a shoe
with a shoe, get a clue !!!!!!!!!
hahaha, <3
WAIT.. who you calling underage? OMFG.. learn to read. :roll: :roll:
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andrew is a goober.
Blah blah blah.
Actually, you caught me. I can't read or write. :dr evil:
Yeah, and notice I didn't post on your birthday thread? Yeah. So, take that! Whos the goober now?!? hu?!?
I PWN j00000000000!!111!!1 133T 4 3\/r!!
oh, how I missed you Andrew..
<3
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I would not go to the movies with you, in a shoe
with a shoe, get a clue !!!!!!!!!
hahaha, <3
WAIT.. who you calling underage? OMFG.. learn to read. :roll: :roll:
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andrew is a goober.
Blah blah blah.
Actually, you caught me. I can't read or write. :dr evil:
Yeah, and notice I didn't post on your birthday thread? Yeah. So, take that! Whos the goober now?!? hu?!?
I PWN j00000000000!!111!!1 133T 4 3\/r!!
oh, how I missed you Andrew..
<3
Awwwwwwww. How snugly. Gag.
This thread needs more people dying on the cross. :BarabusJam:
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Edit: And on the anti-semetic comments... well, Jesus WAS killed by the Jews. It's like making a movie about WW2 and saying it is anti-germanic. Well DUH.
Well... people are not totally sure if it was completely the Jew's fault, so putting full blame on the Jews would be anti-semitic.
I'm just really interested in this after learning about the historical Jesus.
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Edit: And on the anti-semetic comments... well, Jesus WAS killed by the Jews. It's like making a movie about WW2 and saying it is anti-germanic. Well DUH.
Well... people are not totally sure if it was completely the Jew's fault, so putting full blame on the Jews would be anti-semitic.
I'm just really interested in this after learning about the historical Jesus.
No no no. People are pretty much positive it was the Jews' fault. It is Roman record that the Jewish leaders brought Jesus before the Roman corts for trial. Barabas was a HISTORICAL person. There are records of his release and Jesus Crucifiction.
There there's that whole NEW TESTEMENT thing, where people who lived within one lifespan of Jesus' death WROTE about it.
We KNOW the Jews had Jesus killed.
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dude, just because someone wrote it means you have to believe it?
I'm a Christian, but that doesnt mean that I think every word in the bible is true.
There are MANY scholars that believe that the Jews are not completely the blame for Jesus's death...
First of all, he was cruxified on sabbath, which would make that ILLEGAL to do, or even be tried by the Jews. Which makes it seem that the Romans had a large deal to do with it. They were terrorizing the Jews the whole time back then, trying the gain control. They even made Jesus go into hiding every time Jesus would preach in a big city, cause they feared that he might gain control of the people. So there is a big reason THEY wanted him dead too.
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I'm a Christian, but that doesnt mean that I think every word in the bible is true.
:? hmm
First of all, he was cruxified on sabbath, which would make that ILLEGAL to do, or even be tried by the Jews.
He was cruxified on a Friday, Sabbath was Saturday.
And about the Romans/Jews issue... there is enough blaim to go around and it is really a moot point because it was the sins of ALL believers that put him on the cross, not just *insert race here*.
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when you say picked it up, you mean at the store?..lol
yer confusing me..sorry
and why didnt you like it?
We go to downtown LA and pick up bootlegs!!!
w00t w00t, thats the way to do it.
;)
Manda
oh yes, the reason, It was boring! I didn't cry at all, I winced maybe once, when they hammered him up on the cross, but that was about it. When he died, I was just like, "thats it? wait, wait wait? no grand finale???"
then the end you just see him about to walk out of that thing they put him in, what an ending. :P
thats why i didn't like it, at all.
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It's so weird, 1) I don't go to church 2) I have not looked into a lot of information about Jesus's death.
BUT there were many historian type people who wrote about it (not just in the Bible) and for some reason ( i think some movie I watched in pre-school) I have always thought it was the Romans who did it.
I know that the Jews have constantly been blamed for it, but I also gather this information because some people didn't like Jews and used racism/religion to their own advantage.
But this is rather interesting...and is so hard to find out truth from 1,970 (or something like that) years ago.
*stops rambling*
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when you say picked it up, you mean at the store?..lol
yer confusing me..sorry
and why didnt you like it?
We go to downtown LA and pick up bootlegs!!!
w00t w00t, thats the way to do it.
;)
Manda
how illegal, and I would suggest if you wanted to keep doing it, then you shouldn't "advertise" it on the internet.
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I'm a Christian, but that doesnt mean that I think every word in the bible is true.
:? hmm
*is just a confused lil Christian* haha
as I told you, I'm not sure about where I stand in my Christianity. I have the basics of my faith in Jesus and God, and I know that Jesus is fully human and fully devine. But since I accepted Jesus in my heart and was baptized 3 years ago I have been tested several times. I have kept my faith in Jesus, but I'm still a bit lost right now. :?
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dude, just because someone wrote it means you have to believe it?
I'm a Christian, but that doesnt mean that I think every word in the bible is true.
There are MANY scholars that believe that the Jews are not completely the blame for Jesus's death...
First of all, he was cruxified on sabbath, which would make that ILLEGAL to do, or even be tried by the Jews. Which makes it seem that the Romans had a large deal to do with it. They were terrorizing the Jews the whole time back then, trying the gain control. They even made Jesus go into hiding every time Jesus would preach in a big city, cause they feared that he might gain control of the people. So there is a big reason THEY wanted him dead too.
First, what BV said is true from a faith standpoint. So I agree there.
Second, I don't see how you can be a Christian WITHOUT believing everything in the NT.
But from a pure worldly blame standpoint, yes... the Romans sentanced and crucified Jesus. But the Jewish courts sentanced him FIRST, but their law did not include the Death penalty, therefore they sent him to the Romans and ASKED them to crucify Jesus.
Had the Jews not brought Jesus before the Romans than the Romans would neve have paid Jesus any remind. REmember, he already rebuffed Simon and the Zealots and he already declard "give to caesar what is caesars" so the Romans had no reason to dislike Jesus.
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when you say picked it up, you mean at the store?..lol
yer confusing me..sorry
and why didnt you like it?
We go to downtown LA and pick up bootlegs!!!
w00t w00t, thats the way to do it.
;)
Manda
how illegal, and I would suggest if you wanted to keep doing it, then you shouldn't "advertise" it on the internet.
Down here many people own bootlegs, i dont think its wrong. (say what you want....)
but I dont, I mean I rather PAY for it on bootleg and watch it at my house and if I dont like it then I'm glad, because I didn't pay the $10 to see it at the movies....ugh.
I'm not advertising either, just because I said I go to downtown LA to get em doesn't mean I'm telling you to or suggesting that, its just where I go. If you say, "I go to Old Navy to buy my jeans" thats not advertising.
I was merely stating where I get my bootlegs.
;)
chill
Manda
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actually saying "I bought my jean at Old Navy" is advertising...
And I will say what I want, there were many people/time and effort put in making something.
It's like saying "I took this shirt, but that's only because I didn't know if wanted it or not"
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I dont really care, we all have our own opinions on that sort of thing.
If you think bootlegging videos are bad, well hey, thats your deal.
;)
Me, I dont think so.
:roll:
Manda
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that's great, i hope you start a job and don't get paid for your work.
That's everyone's goal.
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Alrighty then.
;)
manda
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Bootlegging - You don't think it's wrong? At all? Granted, I was in a phase with my Kazaa-ing, but that's over and done with. I realized what the fuck I was doing.
Amanda, your parents have jobs (I'm guessing). Let's say your father's an actor, and your mum's a musician. Everything's fine and dandy 'til one day, they both go bankrupt 'cause there are guys bootlegging your dad's movies and your mom's CDs, and then you're evicted from your house and you starve to death.
Good times?
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lol
:)
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thick. plain and simple...
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:D
Please Keep it To PM's if you want to continue.
Manda
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i have no idea what you guys are talking about.....lol but i assume you mean something like stealing...kinda?
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Second, I don't see how you can be a Christian WITHOUT believing everything in the NT.
Frankly, I don't care whether you think I'm a Christian or not.
I have my beliefs... and ok, maybe I'm not sure about every word in the new testament. The 4 gospels were from people's points of view of what happened... and it's not like Matthew, Mark, Luke or John were around Jesus all the time. A lot of what is written in there is probably by word of mouth.
I do believe the majority of it... and I AM a Christian. I know TONS of people who are but dont believe in every word too! Some Christians think the bible is perfectly word for word account of what happened... and thats fine! Everyone has their opinions. There are no guidlines that say, "You can only be a Christian if you believe every single thing in the bible."
All that matters is that I love, worship and have complete faith in Jesus and what he stands for. In my heart I know I'm a Christian, even though I'm not strictly religious.
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Second, I don't see how you can be a Christian WITHOUT believing everything in the NT.
Frankly, I don't care whether you think I'm a Christian or not.
I have my beliefs... and ok, maybe I'm not sure about every word in the new testament. The 4 gospels were from people's points of view of what happened... and it's not like Matthew, Mark, Luke or John were around Jesus all the time. A lot of what is written in there is probably by word of mouth.
I do believe the majority of it... and I AM a Christian. I know TONS of people who are but dont believe in every word too! Some Christians think the bible is perfectly word for word account of what happened... and thats fine! Everyone has their opinions. There are no guidlines that say, "You can only be a Christian if you believe every single thing in the bible."
All that matters is that I love, worship and have complete faith in Jesus and what he stands for. In my heart I know I'm a Christian, even though I'm not strictly religious.
yea its ok holly, i am a christian too and understand exactly what you're talking about, noone ever said it 's easy being one either, there will be a lot of things christians may not know or disagree with sometimes, but it doesnt changes ones belief about things, gee don't be so harsh about it andrew...
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Second, I don't see how you can be a Christian WITHOUT believing everything in the NT.
Frankly, I don't care whether you think I'm a Christian or not.
Sorry. I wasn't intending that to be an attack, and I think it came across as one. I was intending to ask the question, "How can you be a Christian without believing all of the NT?"
Because if you doubt ANY of it then, in theory, all of it is fallible. If you believe all of it is fallible, then how can you believe so many of the difficult things that are essential for a strong Christian faith?
Honestly, I personally have to believe in ALL of the NT in order for ANY of it to make sense. And even then I have had to spend a LOT of time listening to lots of interpretations to really understand it all.
I have my beliefs... and ok, maybe I'm not sure about every word in the new testament. The 4 gospels were from people's points of view of what happened... and it's not like Matthew, Mark, Luke or John were around Jesus all the time. A lot of what is written in there is probably by word of mouth.
I do believe the majority of it... and I AM a Christian. I know TONS of people who are but dont believe in every word too! Some Christians think the bible is perfectly word for word account of what happened... and thats fine! Everyone has their opinions. There are no guidlines that say, "You can only be a Christian if you believe every single thing in the bible."
All that matters is that I love, worship and have complete faith in Jesus and what he stands for. In my heart I know I'm a Christian, even though I'm not strictly religious.
Fair enough.
My only issue though is still that if you doubt the Apostolic Witness then suddenly everything comes to doubt. And I, personally, would consider it arrogant of MYSELF to try and decide, thousands of years later, what the Apostles may have gotten wrong when writing the Gospels.
Granted, at this point someone has to throw in the Gnostic Gospels... but I don't even wanna touch that right now.
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I'm not saying i've decided what i think is wrong or not, who am I to decide? I'm just saying... i dont know what to believe or not, some things I wonder about.
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of "the" Christ? I had no idea he was a "the".
I want to see this movie.
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8O
It's been four hours.
8O
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Granted, at this point someone has to throw in the Gnostic Gospels... but I don't even wanna touch that right now.
Well, I will. Most of what is said about them is total ß$.
People seem to think that because the Gospel of Thomas doesn't record Jesus saying he was divine, such things were added at a later date when the traditional gospels were written.
Such a belief is a silly one because the Gospel of Thomas is an anthology of quotes on life in general. It isn't a story of the life of Christ.
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I would never go and see it if my life depended on it
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I would never go and see it if my life depended on it
thats too bad :(
your life wouldnt depend on it, but your next life might ;-)
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oh kevin, shhh.
Its just not my type of movie and even if i was a christian im sure that my stomache wouldnt be able to handle it- sorry.
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Well, I may end up seeing the Passion now, as it has been recommended to me by three people in one day. Does anyone know anything about the little "Satan baby" that Satan's holding in the crucifixion scene? I haven't seen the movie; I've just heard about it--apparently Mel said it had something to do with early Catholicism?I'm Catholic, I should know this...
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I think there's two schools of thought (because this move has schools of thought, yes indeed) that I've heard on the baby Satan is holding. Mel made a comment which I will post also.
Number 1 (which is what I thought when I saw it)
The deformed baby is making a mockary of the classic Madonna and Child images.
The second is that the baby is the anti-christ who will battle Christ at the second coming . . .as in Revalations. (errrr I didn't see this at all but - hey!)
It's evil distorting what's good. What is more tender and beautiful than a mother and a child? So the Devil takes that and distorts it just a little bit. Instead of a normal mother and child you have an androgynous figure holding a 40-year-old 'baby' with hair on his back. It is weird, it is shocking, it's almost too much—just like turning Jesus over to continue scourging him on his chest is shocking and almost too much, which is the exact moment when this appearance of the Devil and the baby takes place
Make up your own mind, however. :wink:
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I hated the passion. It was just so unreal. Sorry but how in hell does he get beaten brutally and then carry the cross...get tired...keep on walking with it...fall get beaten...anther guy carrys it...blah blah...goes gets on the cross...gets nailed on by his hands...still alive...get flipped over...still alive...gets flipped over again...still alive...then his ankles get nailed to the cross...still alive...then the nails get tightened still alive for like 3 hours....STILL alive...then it starts to rain or something and to make SURE HE IS DEAD because ha they aren't sure if he is still alive stab him. I just don't get it. It isn't logical...there are veins in your hands if you get something stabbed in them won't you die quickly? THEN he is alive in his kingdom with just wholes in his hand...that's fucked up. It made me proud not to believe in that stuff because...its just so fake. That never happened...nope. THen it made me think of my own religon...true...there is no way the red sea got parted....no way the menorah stayed lit for 8 days...nope,no way. I'm giving up on religon and becoming an atheist.
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our school newspaper did three articles on this movie, I thought it was okay...
is there anyone who feels the way I do about this movie?
Manda
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I hated the passion. It was just so unreal. Sorry but how in hell does he get beaten brutally and then carry the cross...get tired...keep on walking with it...fall get beaten...anther guy carrys it...blah blah...goes gets on the cross...gets nailed on by his hands...still alive...get flipped over...still alive...gets flipped over again...still alive...then his ankles get nailed to the cross...still alive...then the nails get tightened still alive for like 3 hours....STILL alive...then it starts to rain or something and to make SURE HE IS DEAD because ha they aren't sure if he is still alive stab him. I just don't get it. It isn't logical...there are veins in your hands if you get something stabbed in them won't you die quickly? THEN he is alive in his kingdom with just wholes in his hand...that's fucked up. It made me proud not to believe in that stuff because...its just so fake. That never happened...nope. THen it made me think of my own religon...true...there is no way the red sea got parted....no way the menorah stayed lit for 8 days...nope,no way. I'm giving up on religon and becoming an atheist
I don't know what your religion is, but before you make such a decision it might be a good idea to look up some history on the Roman practices of scourging and crucifixion. People didn't die quickly, which was the point. The Romans got quite good at ensuring that.
It isn't logical... *cut* I'm giving up on religon and becoming an atheist.
If you're concerned about logic, then atheism isn't a good choice. If you're existance is ultimately the result of the random motion of matter (which, under atheism, it must be) then so are your thought processes. How do know that your perception of logic is even correct? It's accidental! Under atheism, how do you know that you're thinking the right thoughts? This was pointed out by the famous English writer C.S.Lewis who travelled in the opposite direction (atheism to religion). Atheism denies the very foundation of rational thought.
-Kev
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I've decided not to *pay* to watch it. If I don't see it on tv or something then I can live with it. I think it's cashing in on religion with all of the merchandise that goes with it.
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I've decided not to *pay* to watch it. If I don't see it on tv or something then I can live with it. I think it's cashing in on religion with all of the merchandise that goes with it.
no one said you had to buy the merch. Pay to see the movie like you would any other movie.
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well its been out in PR for like a week and all the churches, schools and everyone has bought tickets. IT SOLD OUT! till next week! everywhere u go. It has to do that Puerto Rico is very religous. like a 95% believe in God. well im gonna go see it next week cus my school wotn take us
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I'm going again tomorrow! :P
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I've decided not to *pay* to watch it. If I don't see it on tv or something then I can live with it. I think it's cashing in on religion with all of the merchandise that goes with it.
no one said you had to buy the merch. Pay to see the movie like you would any other movie.
It's still cashing in on the religion. He made it because the majority of the world is Christian (or at least in the places the movie will be shown to). If he made a movie on Hinduism, then no one would go and watch it. I can read it in a book, I can watch another movie with the same stuff...All he is doing is getting money because he made a film about the death of "the savior."
That is an opinion...on the other hand it may get people interested in the Christian religion. It didn't get me interested, it just makes me think of all the cash he is getting because of someone else.
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I'm seeing it today. :\ Mel was in Louisville this past week. And guess what? He went to a nursing home. :evil:
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The Passion, eh?
I'd rather see a Passions movie
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Made me cry the second time; let's see about the third - Friday, yes Good Friday.
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Made me cry the second time; let's see about the third - Friday, yes Good Friday.
I just saw it the one time, I'll wait for the DVD instead of going more times.
Good Friday is a good day to go tho.
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I was getting ready to cry like 3875981498163471734135 2134529134759812734`1324718234581964592u39629856872345809273459674235698345987349563456934765 times, but I didn't. ESPECIALLY when they showed Mary, or Mary Magdalene, and then they showed John (who was hot) crying and I was like :x :X :X:X::X:X:X::X:X:X Claudia was awesome. You know? And Simon was great. But GOD DAMN I wanted to beat the shit out of some Jews and a couple of those Roman soldiers. I couldn't watch when they were whipping Christ with the metal things, the wooden ones - I was okay - But the spikey ones. :\
It's okay to go to the movies Good Friday if you're seeing something about Jesus, right? I think so.
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Both times I was fine until they showed the scene whe He falls and Mary runs over to Him and there are flash backs to Him falling as a child and her running then. Then He said, "See, mother, I make all things new." Ohhh I sooo lost it there.
I think it's okay to go Good Friday. I hope I can get tickets, I think that'll be a popular day, (it sold out when I went yesterday) theres a 10 AM showing that I'd like to go to so I can still make make services and kiss the cross like Mary did. *crys again*
John was hot, no doubt.
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I went yesterday (Good Friday) for my first time.
All i can say is....WOW! It is an amazing movie- extremely sad in the religious "he suffered and died just for us and endured all of that pain just so that we can live" standpoint. All of the 'bloddy' parts did not bother me and it was one of the few (ok, the only one) movies that left me thinking the rest of the night. truely an amazing movie.