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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: Martin. on October 02, 2010, 03:49:19 pm
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Why does this keep getting deleted? Which one of you is on a power trip? This is ridiculous!
Anyway, my friend sent me this:
and I have a contact who know irv gotti....so of course I asked him to hit irv up and answer some questions about our vanessa.
Irv said they are still friends and she's the most down to earth singer he knows (not that she wouldn't be)
He said she smokes weed like one of the boys playing pratical jokes and was happy for her when she came out of the closet.
Then he touched on what's she's known most for....those flops.
He said they planned to promote the album heavily but she didn't want to. And when they told him how much it sold the first week he thought they were joking and kept saying "seriously...ur joking right"?
Cuz they got all this positive feedback and then it flopped so hard.
He said vanessa didn't care at all and was unfazed by the terrible sales and low concert attendance. He said she's unlike a lot of young artists. And that time after time her albums tank and she stays true to her artistry and isn't fazed by sales but it is a business and that's why they parted company.
He has a few connections in the music industry since he's trying to get in and asked a contact who knows Irv to talk about Vanessa. So here it is.
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Thanks for posting! All I know is that I don't want her to go indie; because if she releases an indie album I'll have to buy an expensive import copy.
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There were people wondering what the situation with V and Irv was, so I thought this would help clear some of it up.
And I don't know what she should do. Clearly major labels aren't for her. Maybe independent? I don't know. Indie would be best I think though, because she has a loyal fanbase and there wont be as much pressure to bring in sales and stuff.
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I hope she signs with a major label. I mean, most major labels have a number or artists/bands that don't produce major hits or platinum sales. All they do is relase and distribute the album without spending much money on promotion. Rufus Wainwright, Tegan and Sara, The Rocket Summer and Cyndi Lauper are all on major labels (or on sub-labels owned by large ones), and they usually don't release top 20 albums. And that's just the people I listen to, if I did a little research I could come up with a lot of artists in the same situation.
Vanessa's albums were only a flop because the commercial expectations were too high.
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H&T didn't really flop almost 600,000 worldwide is pretty reasonable-ish, right?
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Thanks so much for that - it's nice to get that finally cleared up, somewhat.
Well if it's true, I guess it's fair enough that they parted ways - obviously V didn't really care about money and popularity, while Irv probably did (not that that's a bad thing - it's his job to promote album's to be as successful as they can :P)
Well I hope that whoever she's signed with (or who she's NOT signed with lol), that they get the album out soon.
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Wow... That does sound kinda awesome-ish.
It's almost as if the thought of going all out and sort of re-inventing herself felt a bit too pseudo and she just stopped ya know...?
I sometimes feel very very possessive of Vanessa and don't really shove her music my friends' faces (anymore :P). I'm a very very selfish little NESSAholic and I love that we have a small community here.
Sometimes I think that if Vanessa really did make it big we would have alot of weird fake NESSAholics on here and that would just spoil the show.
(Does anyone remember the female who almost got plastic surgery to look like V? And if you're the one reading this... I apologise I really shouldn't judge.)
Vanessa is just awesome. I'm a proud NESSAholic for life!!!
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I sometimes feel very very possessive of Vanessa and don't really shove her music my friends' faces (anymore :P). I'm a very very selfish little NESSAholic
me too lol
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H&T didn't really flop almost 600,000 worldwide is pretty reasonable-ish, right?
probably more like 150k max
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I was driving in the car and thinking about the whole Vanessa Carlton and fame thing. *I drive 40 minutes to a train station and an hour train ride to school . . . so I think a lot : D* and I was thinking the same thing! I wouldn't want for V to get famous like back in the days of BNB. That is because her shows would not feel so great as they are! They would not be intimate and cozy! In a way that is selfish because I feel like we just want her to make magical music just for us lol. But, shes okay with it. She is not at all init for the fame. She probably figures if I could get my music out to as many people I can, great. That is why I love Vanessa. Plus I don't really shove her music at my friends anymore : ).
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I share the same "selfish" feeling as you guys. It's funny 'cause I used to think I was the only one who thought this way.
The thing is, I wouldn't mind at all if she stayed the way she is, not in a major label, as long as she stopped disappearing. I mean, it is ok that she doesn't want the fame, but sometimes I caught myself wondering why the hell so many crappy bands have lots of live albums and DVD's and Vanessa doesn't! If we think, we are losing with that. Exposure and major labels = more of the artist for the fans. But then there's that fact of staying true to her roots, which fame always takes away.
I just wish this lack of exposure didn't interfire so much on us getting material from her.
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Plus I don't really shove her music at my friends anymore : ).
Me neither.. I have a friend (a girl) who loves V as I do.. I inform her all the time.. but only her.. none of my other friends :)
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Hm, I can't remember what was said exactly, but I was watching Best of the 90s or something on VH1. I saw Vanessa Carlton! She said something about not being in the Hollywood scene or something like that. It went by too fast >.> so maybe she doesn't want to be made into a BIG deal like some Hollywood people are ya know? I mean, I wouldn't want tons of attention. I'd want to be low key but at the same time I would want to keep in touch with my fans if I had any. XD
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I think what she wants is this - she'd like to have enough fame to share her art with others who appreciate it but not too much that her music turns into something commercial. But IDK. It's just an outsider's perspective.
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I think what she wants is this - she'd like to have enough fame to share her art with others who appreciate it but not too much that her music turns into something commercial. But IDK. It's just an outsider's perspective.
This. You couldn't have said it better.
Nessa isn't looking for fame, but I'd be willing to bet that she would accept a bigger foundation for being accepted as an artist.
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I think Regina Spektor has got the balance perfectly right. She shifts millions worldwide, plays in arenas and has a huge respect from her peers yet you never see her on the cover of magazines or at award shows and stuff.
I'd be really happy if Vanessa reached that level.
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I agree. Enough limelight that perfectly balances artistry and fame.
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I thought I was the only one too (about likeing Vanessa being a more subversive artist) I wouldnt want her to be too commercial.
But at the same time, she is my favorite artist and I want to to have enough success so she can make a living, as long as she wants to make a living off of music (hopefully a longggg time)
just my thoughts. :)
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Does anyone else have this odd feeling this might be the last album? :(
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Does anyone else have this odd feeling this might be the last album? :(
I've been thinking that myself, sadly.
'Heroes' almost didn't get made until Stevie persuaded her to, and she didn't even think about doing another record until she wrote "London".
Making an album is costly. Although, I also have the feeling she's one of those people who can't help but write...so even if we don't get more albums, we'll still hear music from her I'm sure.
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in the age of digital downloading you can't make a living by selling cds.. only if you give concerts...
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Does anyone else have this odd feeling this might be the last album? :(
I've been thinking that myself, sadly.
'Heroes' almost didn't get made until Stevie persuaded her to, and she didn't even think about doing another record until she wrote "London".
Making an album is costly. Although, I also have the feeling she's one of those people who can't help but write...so even if we don't get more albums, we'll still hear music from her I'm sure.
I get that feeling too. But I hope it won't be her last. I'd want her last to be a compilation of her works that didn't make the cut in the previous records. Something that can make the circle complete, if you know what I mean.
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Vanessa needs to get with the times & spend more time on her Twitter, Myspace, Facebook, etc. I'm not saying spend every spare minute she's got online, but enough to build a relationship with her fans (other than with her music) and promote herself more. She could be much popular than she is just by doing that.
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I cannot agree more.
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I sometimes feel very very possessive of Vanessa and don't really shove her music my friends' faces (anymore :P). I'm a very very selfish little NESSAholic
me too lol
This! I totally agree and feel the same way. However, a part of me is angry that she's so underrated, especially since she's a thousand times better than most, if not all, the crap they're playing on the radio these days. I feel like no one's making any sincere, real music anymore, if that makes sense - and the ones that are always seem to fly under the radar. In a nutshell, I do want Vanessa all for myself (ourselves, in this case) but I also want her music out there. It's too good to be ignored, no denying that.
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I think Regina Spektor has got the balance perfectly right. She shifts millions worldwide, plays in arenas and has a huge respect from her peers yet you never see her on the cover of magazines or at award shows and stuff.
I'd be really happy if Vanessa reached that level.
Agreed.
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Does anyone else have this odd feeling this might be the last album? :(
I do :(
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Does anyone else have this odd feeling this might be the last album? :(
I do :(
NOO! I can't think about that. I don't know what I would do if she stopped. I need her music like a drug.
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Yeah, I really don't feel either way if there would be a 5th CD. Seriously, I feel like even the TV/movie is sucking too(In terms of entertainment) and I agree-I wish that the REALLY good singers/bands can get more attention. The ones that get tons of attention aren't even that good. Thank to you guys I find singers that seem to be similar to who I like to listen to and they go under the radar sadly. >.> But yeah I am glad that we can always find good singers!
I will admit, it sucks and it is hard to find albums of some singers you want CDs of D: Ahh how I love you ebay and amazon.
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Oh... Puh... LEEEZE!!!
Why are people thinking this is her last album?
It's not like she's writing a novel and this is like the last one a series.
She is going to keep writing cos as someone said she's definitely one of those people who can't help but write. And even if she doesn't manage to release another album almost immediately, I wouldn't mind waiting for however long till she is (as we were assuming, 'financially' able) to release one.
I've been a NESSAholic for a long time now and I can honeslty say the instant at which she stop promoting her current album and starts premiering songs from her new one at sporadic concerts definitely is one of the most amazing-est feelings in the world. I still remember the days of "Pyhom"(:P) and how awesome it was when only The One, This Time and it were known from H & T.
If we're lucky, maybe one of her songs maybe catchy enough for mainstream and she could do like well enough.
And she's always got that bloody single ATM for which I can tell you she probably gets paid big bucks! I mean come on Archuleta is going about singing it everywhere he friggin goes. You could YouTube find a billion more vids of him singing the song than her.
I know this is not her last album.
She is definitely gonna get better with age and I can't wait.
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Haha. I agree with you about getting better with age but for some odd reason, it made me think of cheese...Ha. but cheese is good...yea. lol
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Yeah. Her true fans will stick with her :)
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After almost Ten years of listening to her she still makes me cry, laugh and hope with the help of her music. I don't care if she uses Twitter, facebook or whatever as long as she gives us new music. She doesn't need to deliver news over social networks, she delivers enough through her music.
What Irv said was making me love her more cos she doesn't seem to simply talk about the whole "I-don't-care-for-the-fame"-thing, she lives it. and she's able to be happy in this situation cos she has us in her backyard to support her and I will as long as she writes songs that influence me as much as they still do.
And to all these doubtfull persons. I don't think this was her last record. Why should she give up the freedom in producibg she has now. To me it seems, she just found her place in this industry and nothing of all the things we heard the last years gave a hint that she's going to stop. As a writer you can't stop writing and why should she stop sharing her music. so no there will be more records, even if we have to wait for them quite a long time ^^
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It's great to read optimistic views on these matters, as I don't know what my life would be like without the expectations of new material from Nessa. It may sound weird, but since I got to know her and her music, my life has a whole new meaning and everytime I remember she exists and I keep in mind everything I've been through and how her music inspired and influenced those moments, I feel relieved and happy!
Can't wait for her next tour, I'll do wathever it takes to go to at least one concert.