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Title: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 01, 2010, 02:56:17 am
Hey there.  :D

V  always speaks before performing a song live, usually about the idea behind of the song. I wonder what are the other notions behind the other songs. I already found out the meanings behind the following songs:


Demo Tape
Little Mary - based on the stereotypes surrounding how V is supposed to be this perfect little girl when she states herself that she is far from it.
10.Faces - how important it is to be yourself instead of playing parts.

Rinse
3.Superhero - waiting for someone (i.e., a superhero) to come and rescue her
All I Ask - insecurity about holding on to what you have; coupled with the feeling that you're moving backwards (I'm in the wrong direction)


Be Not Nobody
1.Ordinary Day - based on a dream V had; being able to do anything your heart desires (divide and conquer this land) with the one you care about by your side.
2.Unsung - __________________
3.AThousand Miles - love that so consumes you so much that you could walk that you would walk a thousand miles just to see that person.
4.Pretty Baby - about being in a relationship where the feelings of one is not reciprocated by the other.
5.Rinse - about having a point of stalking in every girl's life.
6.Sway - __________________
7.Paradise - __________________
8.Prince - __________________
9.Paint It Black - cover
10.Wanted - written when a boy liked V just because she's good at playing piano, to prove she's got more than what he wanted.
11.Twilight - letting go of past and starting over again


Harmonium - Complete
1.White Houses - a song about rites of passage.
2.Who's to Say - for relations disapproved by 'the government or mothers.'
3.Annie - about a girl V met named Victoria
4.San Francisco - a slap in the face to Stephan. (I, I know what you did, like a boy of summer gives his first kiss); also about how V feels at home in the city (this is our utopia) and should be considered a precursor to 'Home'.
5.Afterglow - letting go anchors of pain.
6.Private Radio - insomia (Find me out of my pillow).
7.Half A Week Before The Winter - Darwin's theory of evolution; metaphoric reference to the fight in music industry bet. artists and music labels.
8.C'est La Vie - a post-break-up song; V used the term as a substitute for f*** it.
9.Papa- about someone who puts on a fake face towards a relationship even though he doesn't really care about it.
10.She Floats - about a ghost in her closet and the euphoria one gets from being tortured to death.
11.The Wreckage - how she wants to start a car crash.
12.Where The Streets Have No Name - cover; about how it feels free from the prejudice that is based on the name of the street you live in.


Heroes & Thieves
1.Nolita Fairytale - about what's really important in life, setting aside the idea of glitz and glamor.
2.Hands On Me - about putting faith on your loved ones
3.Spring Street - about the circle of life and the changes it brings.
4.My Best - be the best version of yourself to those you love. (V thinks it's a big, fat lie)
5.Come Undone - __________________
6.The One - based from V's talk with Stevie regarding the one; about taking things from past relationships & using them to shape you for the future.
7.Heroes & Thieves -  about assessing which things are which (heroes and thieves in exaggeration) in our lives.
8.This Time - recovering
9.Fools Like Me - all are fools for love and remaining a fool for love is important.
10.Home - feeling of being at home with the person you love the most.
11.More Than This - true happiness can be achieved if at this moment, we declare we don't need anything more than what we have now.

Rabbits On The Run
1.Carousel - about how good things come around again, despite the down side of life.
2.I Don't Want To Be A Bride - not against marriage but rather about living life to its fullest.
3.London - "why the moon doesn't speak back when you talk to it," pertaining to the heavenly creatures. Most probably, about V's atheism (as she revealed in the live stream).
4.Fair-Weather Friends - magical thinking, in the sense that the brain can only let in so much reality until it starts to create things to fit the pattern of the "norm."
5.Hear The Bells - written as a reflection of the time when V got sick
7.Tall Tales for Spring - "a song for Stephen Hawkings"
8.Get Good - based on a Sylvia Plath poem, it is a song written for a friend who was contemplating on divorce.

Misc.
All Is Well - about insecurities in a relationship.
Best Behavior - about wondering what went wrong in a relationship, despite of best behavior.
Carnival - about chasing down the person you love without success.
Dark Carnival - a precursor to 'Half A Week Before the Winter', with more awesome and less unicorns; modified version of Carnival.
Morning Sting - emotions being raw on mornings.



I still have a lot to fill up. Can anyone help me out? ???
Title: Re: Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Martin. on June 01, 2010, 11:34:04 am
"Half A Week Before the Winter" is actually about the music industry.

The big cats (vampires) VS the artists (unicorns)

"He sits behind a desk of mahogany
And whispers dreams into my ears
Although I've given him his empire
He delivers me my fears
"



"Nolita Fairytale" is more about realising what's important. You don't need the glitz & glam to live a happy life.

"C'est La Vie" is her way of saying "fuck it".

"The One" is about taking things from past relationships & using them to shape you for the future (as said on Soundstage).

"Fools Like Me" - all fools for love and remaining a fool for love is important.

"All Is Well" - insecurities in relationships.

Title: Re: Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 02, 2010, 03:37:51 am
Thanks!  ;D List updated.
Title: Re: Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Martin. on June 02, 2010, 06:53:06 am
Nonprobs.

One thing - it's between artists and record labels ("HAWBTW"). :)
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: pswik91 on June 03, 2010, 11:14:44 am
So these are some of my interpretations of V's songs =) well what they mean. I tried to do some of the ones that you had and add to them, and also do ones that you didn't have.
Fair-Weather Friends - magical thinking... in the sense that the brain can only let in so much reality until it starts to create things to fit the pattern of the "norm."
Home- wishing to be with the one you love the most, because you are unhappy. (you could have everything you wanted, but still are missing your soulmate)
Ordinary Day- being able to anything your heart desires with the one you care about by your side.
Pretty Baby- about being in a relationship where only one person cares more than the other. you give them all your love but in return they don't love you back.
Fools Like Me- about being a fool in love.   you think the person you love cares for you, when really it's all a lie.
 
I hope this felps a little bit I tried to find the ones with the deepest meanings =)
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Serentic on June 03, 2010, 01:37:38 pm
All I Ask - Insecurity about holding on to what you have; coupled with the feeling that you're moving backwards (I'm in the wrong direction)

Little Mary - Based on the stereotypes surrounding how Vanessa is supposed to be this perfect little girl when she states herself that she is far from it.

San Francisco - It's actually a slap in the face to Stephan, [ I, I know what you did, like a boy of summer gives his first kiss; we're back and you tell me I'm home ] It's also about how she feels at home in the city [this is our utopia]; and should be considered a precursor to 'Home'.

Papa - It's about someone who puts on a fake face towards a relationship even though they don't really care about it.

Ordinary Day - A boy who she didn't know very well; who she thought had everything; she suddenly sees in a new light and falls in love.

Paint it Black - Cover

Dark Carnival - Used in a videogame, actually. It's a precursor to 'Half A Week Before the Winter', with more awesome and less unicorns. [ It's the edge of the dawn, when she looks in your eyes. And she wants what is hers before the light. And she runs on her own, and you'll hurt before you know. Not a sweet alibi, when you get your bloody dose, in the still of the night.]
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 03, 2010, 10:33:58 pm
Thanks, everyone. We're almost there!  ;D
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: vttmishere on June 04, 2010, 08:31:23 am
From what she told on the Milford concert, "London" is about "why the moon doesn't speak back when you talk to it". In my understanding, it is essencially about faith and the feeling that, sometimes, God or any powerful force in which you believe seems to not be listening or watching for us. Also, by the lyrics, it's about not being satisfied with your life and to be always wondering and wanting to discover things, to make the best of your time because it cannot be taken back.

Well, this thing of "meanings of Nessa's songs" is pretty subjective to me, they're all so deep that everyone will probably have their own significance upon the songs.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 04, 2010, 08:40:28 am
From what she told on the Milford concert, "London" is about "why the moon doesn't speak back when you talk to it". In my understanding, it is essencially about faith and the feeling that, sometimes, God or any powerful force in which you believe seems to not be listening or watching for us. Also, by the lyrics, it's about not being satisfied with your life and to be always wondering and wanting to discover things, to make the best of your time because it cannot be taken back.

Well, this thing of "meanings of Nessa's songs" is pretty subjective to me, they're all so deep that everyone will probably have their own significance upon the songs.

Thanks for the info.  ;D

Actually, I got the meaning of London that I listed as a part of a post of someone in a particular thread (can't remember where and who). And I agree with you with the song means different for evebody. But until I (or someone else) could find some clips of her talk from her live shows or articles or any information from V herself, I'd just use the meanings and notions that you guys provide to me.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Patricius on June 04, 2010, 07:38:43 pm
From what she told on the Milford concert, "London" is about "why the moon doesn't speak back when you talk to it". In my understanding, it is essencially about faith and the feeling that, sometimes, God or any powerful force in which you believe seems to not be listening or watching for us. Also, by the lyrics, it's about not being satisfied with your life and to be always wondering and wanting to discover things, to make the best of your time because it cannot be taken back.

Well, this thing of "meanings of Nessa's songs" is pretty subjective to me, they're all so deep that everyone will probably have their own significance upon the songs.

Damn... You beat me to it. I was going to say it was about her personally - putting aside Judaism and declaring herself "spiritual." Nonetheless, it's all the same.

As for Come Undone, I feel that it's a song about Steven; then again, I think that a lot about her love songs. :P

Rinse - I'm pretty sure she explained it in her Nashville concert, just don't remember what it was... nor can I really understand what she's saying - too much background noise. But here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI-s4nf4yU
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 05, 2010, 01:15:36 am
From what she told on the Milford concert, "London" is about "why the moon doesn't speak back when you talk to it". In my understanding, it is essencially about faith and the feeling that, sometimes, God or any powerful force in which you believe seems to not be listening or watching for us. Also, by the lyrics, it's about not being satisfied with your life and to be always wondering and wanting to discover things, to make the best of your time because it cannot be taken back.

Well, this thing of "meanings of Nessa's songs" is pretty subjective to me, they're all so deep that everyone will probably have their own significance upon the songs.

Damn... You beat me to it. I was going to say it was about her personally - putting aside Judaism and declaring herself "spiritual." Nonetheless, it's all the same.

As for Come Undone, I feel that it's a song about Steven; then again, I think that a lot about her love songs. :P

Rinse - I'm pretty sure she explained it in her Nashville concert, just don't remember what it was... nor can I really understand what she's saying - too much background noise. But here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI-s4nf4yU

Uhmm.. Steven or Stephan??
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: nessafan_sa on June 05, 2010, 01:32:02 am
From what she told on the Milford concert, "London" is about "why the moon doesn't speak back when you talk to it". In my understanding, it is essencially about faith and the feeling that, sometimes, God or any powerful force in which you believe seems to not be listening or watching for us. Also, by the lyrics, it's about not being satisfied with your life and to be always wondering and wanting to discover things, to make the best of your time because it cannot be taken back.

Well, this thing of "meanings of Nessa's songs" is pretty subjective to me, they're all so deep that everyone will probably have their own significance upon the songs.

Damn... You beat me to it. I was going to say it was about her personally - putting aside Judaism and declaring herself "spiritual." Nonetheless, it's all the same.

As for Come Undone, I feel that it's a song about Steven; then again, I think that a lot about her love songs. :P

Rinse - I'm pretty sure she explained it in her Nashville concert, just don't remember what it was... nor can I really understand what she's saying - too much background noise. But here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI-s4nf4yU

I got a better recording and I think she says, "I'd like to dedicate this to all the women in the audience. Women have tendancies to become stalkers. Now they're all like, 'oh s***, she knows!'. There is a moment in every girl's life where she stalks, she stalks a man for some reason."

hmm.. rinse is about stalking? who knew? :) lol
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 10, 2010, 07:45:11 am
From what she told on the Milford concert, "London" is about "why the moon doesn't speak back when you talk to it". In my understanding, it is essencially about faith and the feeling that, sometimes, God or any powerful force in which you believe seems to not be listening or watching for us. Also, by the lyrics, it's about not being satisfied with your life and to be always wondering and wanting to discover things, to make the best of your time because it cannot be taken back.

Well, this thing of "meanings of Nessa's songs" is pretty subjective to me, they're all so deep that everyone will probably have their own significance upon the songs.

Yeah. Maybe that's why she would do anything to sparkle in his eyes.
Damn... You beat me to it. I was going to say it was about her personally - putting aside Judaism and declaring herself "spiritual." Nonetheless, it's all the same.

As for Come Undone, I feel that it's a song about Steven; then again, I think that a lot about her love songs. :P

Rinse - I'm pretty sure she explained it in her Nashville concert, just don't remember what it was... nor can I really understand what she's saying - too much background noise. But here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI-s4nf4yU

I got a better recording and I think she says, "I'd like to dedicate this to all the women in the audience. Women have tendancies to become stalkers. Now they're all like, 'oh s***, she knows!'. There is a moment in every girl's life where she stalks, she stalks a man for some reason."

hmm.. rinse is about stalking? who knew? :) lol
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: iluvvanessa on June 14, 2010, 04:50:56 pm
I quoted what she said in concert about More Than This as an opening statement for my english essay once XD hardcore!
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 18, 2010, 06:14:54 am
I quoted what she said in concert about More Than This as an opening statement for my english essay once XD hardcore!

LOL.

I frequently get ideas for my essays from her songs, too. I frequently use "Who's To Say" and "More Than This" as channels of inspiration.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on June 22, 2010, 03:32:29 pm
i think wanted is actually about the angryness that you feel when someone you like doesn't give you the value which you deserve.
and once or twice vanessa said that all is well was kinda about finding comfort in a unhealthy depression. "i always sleep so much better when it's raining" since sleep means "feeling good" and the rain is the depression.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on June 22, 2010, 03:45:53 pm
oh, and twilight... it's hard to explain the meaning of twilight. she wrote it at her ballet school, and it's kinda about giving away a part of your life ("i will learn to say goodbye to yesterday") to do what you really want to. she didn't want to be a ballet dancer, so she gave it all up although she knew her life wouldn't be the same ("i will never see the sky the same way").
twilight is the end of the day and the begining of the night, since the "day" is the ballet and the "night" is her real wishes (playing her piano, writing her songs and everythin).
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 23, 2010, 04:55:12 am
Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: shinesobright07 on June 24, 2010, 01:56:20 pm
 'This Time' reminds me of like... avoiding relapse, in a sense? Like, I had anorexia and there are certain things that set me back, but like This Time can describe choosing a different path of getting yourself out of a problem. For example, instead of doing what you usually do about stress that's not necessarily actually helping you, you can choose to do something else that does help you. I guess this song can also be about going through a hard time in life.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: mysticalmists on August 10, 2010, 01:19:52 am
Arghh I wish I'd seen this earlier xP It's such a great idea, compiling the history of V's song into a list..I've always wondered about some of them..And I never knew "Ordinary Day" was based on a dream! Thanks so much for compiling all of this!

Damn, I really want to see V live now..
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Patricius on August 14, 2010, 10:33:36 pm
Stephan. :( I always spell his name wrong ["Steven," "Stephan," they sound the same]. Anyway, I think Paradise is about bipolar disorder - a fluctuation in euphoria and depression. Eventually the person goes into his/her manic stage, reflects upon their life, pretends to be happy, and ultimately commits suicide.  It's just a thought.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on December 14, 2010, 01:48:34 am
Stephan. :( I always spell his name wrong ["Steven," "Stephan," they sound the same]. Anyway, I think Paradise is about bipolar disorder - a fluctuation in euphoria and depression. Eventually the person goes into his/her manic stage, reflects upon their life, pretends to be happy, and ultimately commits suicide.  It's just a thought.

To me Paradise is about depression, not necessarily bipolar to me because the happiness is feigned, not an actual manic state, hence "artifcial light"  IT's the only light she has and must cling to it but ultimately the darkness takes hold, always hoping that one day the artificial happiness will become real "a day in which the sun will take her artificial light"  Also how a depressed person wants to be happy and envisions herself being happy but cannot make it happen--lays back to let it happen, but darkness always creeps in.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on December 16, 2010, 02:36:27 pm
what about prince and sway? these songs are really hard for me to understand.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on December 17, 2010, 12:08:27 am
what about prince and sway? these songs are really hard for me to understand.

I think it's just about waiting for someone you're willing and able to run with.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on December 18, 2010, 11:53:42 pm
what about prince and sway? these songs are really hard for me to understand.

 to me, most of the songs on this album are either about depression or obsession! LoL.
Prince, Sway, Pretty Baby, Rinse -- they just scream to me about loving someone who doesn't love you back.  Being completely consumed by someone who may not even know the real you.  Or someone who just uses you and you fall for it every time....
Sway - make me high on lullibies - basically false promises.  Things he said he would do, like love you/marry you, all just to get something from you.  Basically how one will say just about anything to get what he wants , "hey, I'll stop the rain for you, you just have to do this for me first..." and we believe.  Every time. But every time the promise is never kept and we are then let down
Price - willing and able to do anything...ANYTHING for the person.  Anything to GET the person or KEEP the person.  Will it come back around to you? Will that person do the same for you?  Then if we stop giving in to this person, stop trying to get him or to keep him, would he even notice?  Would he fight for you? Would he care enough to see you, the real you (can't you see what's been found)

these are just  my interpretations, as this is what they meant to me at a time in my life when I heard them first.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on December 23, 2010, 01:16:27 pm

Demo Tape
Little Mary - based on the stereotypes surrounding how V is supposed to be this perfect little girl when she states herself that she is far from it.

I think Little Mary has a little more to it than that.  I think it's about hiding a secret self from the rest of the world.  "she had to do what she had to do to keep a perfect little mary"  It's about trying to keep that "image secure" so that no one guesses the secret self she has kept hidden and going to such extremes as suicide to keep that secret. (and in light of her recent coming out as bisexual, it makes sense).  Some people can feel such deep shame at not wanting to dissapoint friends and family and so badly want to be "normal" and "perfect" 
When Mary jumps off that building she takes her secret with her, and no one knows that she really is not a perfect little mary.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Giuliana on January 09, 2011, 08:39:09 pm
I've once heard that the song "Prince" was about her belief/disbelief in God, concidering it's one of the very few songs in which she actually talks about it, on the bridge:


"If it all went away
Nothin' left to say
Would you fight it or would you lay down
At the hand of your God could you see the light
Oh, my prince can't you see what's been found"

Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on January 10, 2011, 04:46:05 am
I've once heard that the song "Prince" was about her belief/disbelief in God, concidering it's one of the very few songs in which she actually talks about it, on the bridge:


"If it all went away
Nothin' left to say
Would you fight it or would you lay down
At the hand of your God could you see the light
Oh, my prince can't you see what's been found"



hmm, I can see that , but then again it's only one line. and it could be referring to the prince's god, who she does not believe in.  Yea, I can see that.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: ryan9315 on January 18, 2011, 09:54:47 pm
In "London", what exactly is she referring to when she says "heavenly creatures"?
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on January 19, 2011, 12:55:15 am
In "London", what exactly is she referring to when she says "heavenly creatures"?

Heavenly creatures = angels, gods. The like.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Rekky on January 19, 2011, 09:49:05 am
I prefer angels, that verse inspired me to write a tale.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: ryan9315 on January 19, 2011, 10:09:34 am
In "London", what exactly is she referring to when she says "heavenly creatures"?

Heavenly creatures = angels, gods. The like.

Ok, cool, I thought so, but I kept doubting it for some reason.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: ryan9315 on January 31, 2011, 09:10:24 pm
Why is White Houses in they Key of C in the music video? But it's B when she plays it live..
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on February 01, 2011, 01:21:46 am
It was originally written in B Maj. but recorded to C Maj. The reason, I don't know.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Patricius on February 01, 2011, 06:47:21 pm
Presumably, it's easier for her to sing in B than in C.  Of course, a recording studio can tweak anyone's voice to make it sound "better," but since she pretty much sounds the same live or on CD, B is most likely a comfort zone for her.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on February 02, 2011, 01:32:12 am
Yes, maybe that's it. But I also think that maybe it's because the quality of her voice had changed over the years.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on February 02, 2011, 07:29:52 am

1.White Houses - a song about rites of passage.


i think white houses is about things you do at teenage. it's all "white" and pure before you hit that age. i'm kinda going through it right now hahah.
sometimes it's hard, but i really love every minute of it. we start to walk with the wrong people and do wrong stuff. omg, we get so fucked up. i can really relate every single verse of the song to a part of my life. well, not the bridge, cuz i'm a boy, and you know... no blood and no pain for me. hahahah.

so, seriously, i fall in love with this song more and more everyday. this song is really helping me out. it tells me things that i can't tell anyone. what i love the most about it, is that it is all true. listening to it makes me feel sad in a beautiful way.

thanks for reading. i just had to let it out. :)
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: ryan9315 on February 02, 2011, 09:59:16 am
Presumably, it's easier for her to sing in B than in C.  Of course, a recording studio can tweak anyone's voice to make it sound "better," but since she pretty much sounds the same live or on CD, B is most likely a comfort zone for her.

Oh, alright, that's what I had figured. When she sings it in B, it seems more lively. Especially when she does the second chorus. Those E's sound so great on the left hand. C major is so "perfect" sounding. Either way, it sounds great.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Patricius on February 02, 2011, 07:38:31 pm
Yes, maybe that's it. But I also think that maybe it's because the quality of her voice had changed over the years.

She's performed it in B since she released it.  It's only on the CD where it's in C.  I have a feeling she was forced to record it in C.

Oh, alright, that's what I had figured. When she sings it in B, it seems more lively. Especially when she does the second chorus. Those E's sound so great on the left hand. C major is so "perfect" sounding. Either way, it sounds great.

Agreed. Instead of reaching for notes a half-step higher, I think she puts more energy into her singing.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: WhiteRabbit on February 02, 2011, 07:55:41 pm
I think paradise is about being in this unhealthy kind of zone but it being comfortable there, like not wanting to change anything about it cause it's a comfortable but still wrong.
"one more day in paradise, one last chance to feel alright.."
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: mysticalmists on February 04, 2011, 01:07:44 pm
I love "White Houses", and can play it all the way in C Major..but damn, B major?! Those sharps kill me, especially with all the octave movement in the song..

I guess there are a lot of things that V had to change from live performance-recorded version - like "Ordinary Day", she usually sings "if we walk now we will divide and conquer this land" rather than "don't you see your dreams lie right in the palm of your hand"...I'm pretty sure that change was deliberate, but for "White Houses", I don't know if it was forced...I remember watching an interview and V said that everything on the album was deliberately made, like every single note and everything~
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Martin. on February 04, 2011, 01:14:36 pm
I thought it was written in C originally and she just plays it in B because it's easier for her to sing?

"White Houses" in B isn't too bad to play. I actually prefer playing it in that than I do in C.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: joey on February 06, 2011, 09:39:12 am
In "London", what exactly is she referring to when she says "heavenly creatures"?

Heavenly creatures = angels, gods. The like.

For some reason (I think I've mentioned this before) I kinda imagine her talking about Gargoyles. There's something about London and Gargoyles and I keep imagining them whenever I hear the song.

Just being overtly poetic about the line... I know. But it's Gargoyles :D
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Patricius on February 06, 2011, 07:55:35 pm
Bmaj doesn't stand out as hard as a key to play in. There doesn't seem much of a change between C and B for White Houses: it's mostly comprised of octaves and power chords. If there were some obscure runs or arpeggios, I'd be a little wary of it then.

On topic though:

For some reason (I think I've mentioned this before) I kinda imagine her talking about Gargoyles. There's something about London and Gargoyles and I keep imagining them whenever I hear the song.

Just being overtly poetic about the line... I know. But it's Gargoyles :D

I still like to think of it as agnosticism. I suppose it's more relative for a religious-to-secular themed...society.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on February 06, 2011, 08:38:54 pm
Bmaj doesn't stand out as hard as a key to play in. There doesn't seem much of a change between C and B for White Houses: it's mostly comprised of octaves and power chords. If there were some obscure runs or arpeggios, I'd be a little wary of it then.

On topic though:

For some reason (I think I've mentioned this before) I kinda imagine her talking about Gargoyles. There's something about London and Gargoyles and I keep imagining them whenever I hear the song.

Just being overtly poetic about the line... I know. But it's Gargoyles :D


I still like to think of it as agnosticism. I suppose it's more relative for a religious-to-secular themed...society.


yes, especially because she says, 'they never answer back'  could be a questioning of faith, rather than agnosticism.  The whole song is kind of about (to me) what ifs and things she may have done wrong, growing older and maturing.  As we grow older we question things more and try to find answers.  we question these heavenly creatures and whatever god we were taught to believe it, and when they don't answer back, we must look into ourselves for answers. 
Sorry, just a tangent, maybe not exactly what the song is about..
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Patricius on February 09, 2011, 07:29:08 pm
yes, especially because she says, 'they never answer back'  could be a questioning of faith, rather than agnosticism.  The whole song is kind of about (to me) what ifs and things she may have done wrong, growing older and maturing.  As we grow older we question things more and try to find answers.  we question these heavenly creatures and whatever god we were taught to believe it, and when they don't answer back, we must look into ourselves for answers. 
Sorry, just a tangent, maybe not exactly what the song is about..

No, no, that's what I took it as.  I don't think her song is as shallow as to why the moon doesn't respond when we talk to it (paraphrased, y'know?), or that could just the inner-me thinking and misconstruing what she actually wanted to talk about.

I always took agnosticism as a questioning of faith, iff the person was of faith and turned away--basically wondering whether or not if God (or whatever it is defined as in any religion) exists...Even if it is only slightly right.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on February 10, 2011, 03:39:43 am
yes, especially because she says, 'they never answer back'  could be a questioning of faith, rather than agnosticism.  The whole song is kind of about (to me) what ifs and things she may have done wrong, growing older and maturing.  As we grow older we question things more and try to find answers.  we question these heavenly creatures and whatever god we were taught to believe it, and when they don't answer back, we must look into ourselves for answers. 
Sorry, just a tangent, maybe not exactly what the song is about..

No, no, that's what I took it as.  I don't think her song is as shallow as to why the moon doesn't respond when we talk to it (paraphrased, y'know?), or that could just the inner-me thinking and misconstruing what she actually wanted to talk about.

I always took agnosticism as a questioning of faith, iff the person was of faith and turned away--basically wondering whether or not if God (or whatever it is defined as in any religion) exists...Even if it is only slightly right.

That is basically what I was saying, but used her words from the song to explain.  I know that it's not 'shallow' as you say.  What I mean is, I realize that questioning of faith comes from more than just not getting answers, literal or otherwise, from deities.  It comes from a yearning as we mature and get older to have answers that we can only find within ourselves.
 I didn't realize though, that agnosticism was questioning itself, I thought it meant something else!
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Patricius on February 10, 2011, 06:57:15 pm

That is basically what I was saying, but used her words from the song to explain.  I know that it's not 'shallow' as you say.  What I mean is, I realize that questioning of faith comes from more than just not getting answers, literal or otherwise, from deities.  It comes from a yearning as we mature and get older to have answers that we can only find within ourselves.
 I didn't realize though, that agnosticism was questioning itself, I thought it meant something else!

Eheh, no, I perceive agnosticism as questioning; typically, it's a form of atheism that doesn't outrightly say that a deity doesn't exist; rather, it's a belief where it's said that it's impossible to know if it exists.  I guess that makes sense.

I get what you mean. My cousin, although he's relatively young, already questions his faith [so much for confirmation...].
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on March 12, 2011, 09:48:02 am
what about ameriteen?
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: WhiteRabbit on March 12, 2011, 10:21:07 am
what about ameriteen?
That ones about war. If you listen to her talk before she performs it, she's talking about it
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on March 12, 2011, 12:53:35 pm
what about ameriteen?
That ones about war. If you listen to her talk before she performs it, she's talking about it

aah, thank you. :)
yeah, i tried to listen but the record is not so good, and since my first language is not english it was hard for me to understand what she's saying haha :)
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: WhiteRabbit on March 12, 2011, 02:13:34 pm
what about ameriteen?
That ones about war. If you listen to her talk before she performs it, she's talking about it

aah, thank you. :)
yeah, i tried to listen but the record is not so good, and since my first language is not english it was hard for me to understand what she's sayi
ng haha :)
Haha yeah, some parts are hard to hear but I believe she's saying how bad it is that some people have absolutely no idea about all the things going on in the war
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on March 12, 2011, 09:44:59 pm
what about ameriteen?
That ones about war. If you listen to her talk before she performs it, she's talking about it

aah, thank you. :)
yeah, i tried to listen but the record is not so good, and since my first language is not english it was hard for me to understand what she's sayi
ng haha :)
Haha yeah, some parts are hard to hear but I believe she's saying how bad it is that some people have absolutely no idea about all the things going on in the war

and that despite that fact, they still comment on it.  At least that is what I hear.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: WhiteRabbit on March 13, 2011, 12:51:29 pm
what about ameriteen?
That ones about war. If you listen to her talk before she performs it, she's talking about it

aah, thank you. :)
yeah, i tried to listen but the record is not so good, and since my first language is not english it was hard for me to understand what she's sayi
ng haha :)
Haha yeah, some parts are hard to hear but I believe she's saying how bad it is that some people have absolutely no idea about all the things going on in the war

and that despite that fact, they still comment on it.  At least that is what I hear.
Yeah, it was something along those lines haha
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on June 26, 2011, 12:24:28 pm
we forgot this thread haha?
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: raacheeel on August 10, 2011, 09:06:23 am
lol i think half the "vanessa carlton experience" is trying to figure out the meanings....idk hah i didn't read previous posts but i wanna figure it out and find something new every time i listen to her music, but that's just me haha at least i know ill have a place to go to if i get stuck
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on August 10, 2011, 01:50:32 pm
lol i think half the "vanessa carlton experience" is trying to figure out the meanings....idk hah i didn't read previous posts but i wanna figure it out and find something new every time i listen to her music, but that's just me haha at least i know ill have a place to go to if i get stuck

I find that to be true for me too.  I think it might be the mood I'm in makes the difference.  I do like sharing my ideas here though.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: LauraH on August 10, 2011, 02:28:12 pm
lol i think half the "vanessa carlton experience" is trying to figure out the meanings....idk hah i didn't read previous posts but i wanna figure it out and find something new every time i listen to her music, but that's just me haha at least i know ill have a place to go to if i get stuck

I find that to be true for me too.  I think it might be the mood I'm in makes the difference.  I do like sharing my ideas here though.

I know that my mood definitely changes what I get out a song whenever I'm listening to it.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: raacheeel on August 10, 2011, 03:23:08 pm
Oh yeah definitely, for me I' get mellow or content. Secretly it's the piano and violin together = total eargasm.
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: raacheeel on September 15, 2011, 06:31:36 pm
In the song Carousel what does this line mean: "I thought I heard you voice in the thunder, Is the owl casting spells that we're under"?
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on September 28, 2011, 11:18:16 pm
In the song Carousel what does this line mean: "I thought I heard you voice in the thunder, Is the owl casting spells that we're under"?

I'm sorry that I didn't see this before.  I actually wrote an essay on Carousel and have some theories on this.  There is also a thread somewhere, when the carousel video first came out, that I posted some preliminary ideas and someone else actually created a thread for the line itself..
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: raacheeel on October 03, 2011, 06:16:57 pm
In the song Carousel what does this line mean: "I thought I heard you voice in the thunder, Is the owl casting spells that we're under"?

I'm sorry that I didn't see this before.  I actually wrote an essay on Carousel and have some theories on this.  There is also a thread somewhere, when the carousel video first came out, that I posted some preliminary ideas and someone else actually created a thread for the line itself..

oh wow just saw this! thanks, and after i posted that i found that thread...a lot of meaning to it!
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: Fred_Saboya on June 19, 2012, 06:15:08 pm
this thread needs an update. it was awesome!
actually i became a nessaholic because of this thread :)
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 27, 2012, 02:32:59 am
this thread needs an update. it was awesome!
actually i became a nessaholic because of this thread :)

I updated it :D

I have an idea, guys!

I want to modify this thread. Could you help to find the particular interview/show in which V actually explained the songs? I want to have a reference to make it more reliable :D
Title: Re: Meanings and Notions behind the Songs
Post by: sarab on August 09, 2012, 01:51:27 pm
Someone said somewhere that they thought paradise could be about an eating disorder. I thought that was pretty out there at the time but I listened to it today with that mind set and it does make some sense. I guess that is the mark of good music-it can mean so much and such different things to all sorts of people.