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Other Topics => Polls => Topic started by: Holly on February 28, 2004, 12:45:17 pm
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For those of you who are in the US, or those of you who aren't but still know what party to be a part of, which is it? I know politics can be controversial, and you don't have to actually post what you put if you choose not to!
I know... i didnt put all the parties in the poll, because there are SO many! I just put some of the main ones! Vote other if I missed yours (and I'm sorry!).
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There was already a similar thread
http://forum.nessaholics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1050
BUT I'm gonna keep this one open because there's more options and more realistic. (no PintO party.)
And you can probably guess my party. :wink:
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GOP!
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I honestly have yet to decide which I'm going to be... probably should figure that out soon. My whole family is Repubican, but I do have some disagreements w/the things they believe and stand for. Idk.
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I honestly have yet to decide which I'm going to be... probably should figure that out soon. My whole family is Repubican, but I do have some disagreements w/the things they believe and stand for. Idk.
Go with your family, because you love them :wink:
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I honestly have yet to decide which I'm going to be... probably should figure that out soon. My whole family is Repubican, but I do have some disagreements w/the things they believe and stand for. Idk.
Go with your family, because you love them :wink:
Hahaha. Sometimes... I honestly don't think I'll choose to be Republican- lately they've been pissing me off. Soweeee!
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Well...
I voted I don't know yet.
I want to register independent...but I am very liberal.
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democratic
Amanda
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I want to register independent...but I am very liberal.
Yeah, I was thinking Independent til i did some research and realized some things that they believe are so far from what I believe
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republican
Tim
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I said i don't know yet because....i don't :-P I think I might be Democratic, but I know I need to do more research before I really decide what to do. I know my dad's republican, but seriously, when it comes down to it, i don't care what my family thinks, my opinions are the only thing that matters when deciding what i believe in......and i also think that when it comes down to a person's vote shouldn't be based on who's in what party, but whether you think the person running is the best one....soo....yeah Jessica's got some research to do :-)
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Democrat.
Manda
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Hmm... you're missing American Independent, Reform, Constitution, Peace and Freedom......
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and Communist...though I don't know if that is still a party.
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Hmm... you're missing American Independent, Reform, Constitution, Peace and Freedom......
*cough*
I know... i didnt put all the parties in the poll, because there are SO many! I just put some of the main ones! Vote other if I missed yours (and I'm sorry!).
heck, they even have a pot party... you didnt say alot, lol, that's cause it'd be impossible to list that many bacause it doesnt have that many options in the poll
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but we just like to give you a hard time :wink: ...
*still thinks there should be a communist option* kidding
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I don't care. I avoid politics.
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My daddy always told me...never talk about 2 things...politics and religion...around here...it seems like people can't get enough of either one.
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why shouldn't you talk about them?
wait strike that!
I dont want to start any stuff.....
Manda
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My vote puts the Republicans in the lead by 1 vote! Go Grand Order of Pachyderms! :D
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My vote puts the Republicans in the lead by 1 vote! Go Grand Order of Pachyderms! :D
w00t w00t!!
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I wanna tell you all a little story!
I've confused some, as well as myself. I was anti-war because I didn't want Americans risking their lives for something that . . . Yeah. I wasn't for Iraqis! :X Everything else I said's 'cause of - I'm retarded. Out of, like, 17? 18? I don't know, anyway, out of some number of those nieces 8O, none went/go to Preseeeeeentation Academy. I have to. You know why? 'Cause I can't have my Aunt Sue not like me! She went to Pres and is depressed 'cause no one else did . . . So I've gotta make her happy. As well as my Mom, and 2 other aunts!
My Mom and Aunt Sue are Democrats.
Do we see where this is going? I think we do. I can't NOT think liberally 'cause of these people! Great expectations *shakes head*
Love that book ;)
I reallllly actually have a more conservative, Republican point-of-view.
Butcha know.
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*still thinks there should be a communist option*
Like I said, Peace and Freedom. And no, I don't say that jokingly.
I just don't get why you have Libertarian up there, but American Independent is a bigger party by far.
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Well ermm if anything i'd probably be a democrat- not that there's any difference anyway. Andrew thinks i'm a communist. lol
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I think Katia knows who I'd pick. :wink:
RALPH NADER ALL THE WAY! WOOOO FOR GREEN PARTY!
http://www.greenparty.org
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I think Katia knows who I'd pick. :wink:
RALPH NADER ALL THE WAY! WOOOO FOR GREEN PARTY!
http://www.greenparty.org
*twitch*
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I just don't get why you have Libertarian up there, but American Independent is a bigger party by far.
Maybe because Libertarian is probably the biggest third party.
and why do you have to keep picking on me just because i didnt put some parties up? lol. I said why I didnt.
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lets just have a party.
Manda
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I think Katia knows who I'd pick. :wink:
RALPH NADER ALL THE WAY! WOOOO FOR GREEN PARTY!
http://www.greenparty.org
*twitch*
lol, I just found out today that I was on the Green/Greens Party USA site, and the actual Green Party site (my party) is
http://www.gp.org
It's a LOT better, you won't have to twitch.
EDIT: And I'm not too much Ralph Nader, I'm for whoever runs for Green Party. Looks like David Cobb. ( http://www.votecobb.org )
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Democrat, I think they screwed up on the symbols. The Republicans are the asses. LOL
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Democrat, I think they screwed up on the symbols. The Republicans are the asses. LOL
The ass is a royal animal. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on one. It was the animal of the line of David. So yeah, we'll take the ass and you can have some dumb elephant. :razz:
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Democrat, I think they screwed up on the symbols. The Republicans are the asses. LOL
The ass is a royal animal. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on one. It was the animal of the line of David. So yeah, we'll take the ass and you can have some dumb elephant. :razz:
Err will elephants also have a prestigious history.
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If I voted in America it'd probably de democrat, though in Spain I vote for Aznar's party - socialists suck and I am NOT for Basque nationalism, so yeah.
Just out of curiosity, since most of the people here are Americans, I suppose you'll be able to tell me how much people really support Bush and are happy with the way he's dealt with everything? He isn't very popular in the rest of the world, so I wanted to know. I mean, do you honestly think he'll win the November elections?
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Juuuuust got my registration card today in effective citizenship, now i just have to decide which party i want to register under....i'm thinking seriously democrat but i'm not sure.....
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Democrat, I think they screwed up on the symbols. The Republicans are the asses. LOL
The ass is a royal animal. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on one. It was the animal of the line of David. So yeah, we'll take the ass and you can have some dumb elephant. :razz:
I agree you're a royal ass Will. ROFL
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Just out of curiosity, since most of the people here are Americans, I suppose you'll be able to tell me how much people really support Bush and are happy with the way he's dealt with everything? He isn't very popular in the rest of the world, so I wanted to know. I mean, do you honestly think he'll win the November elections?
I don't like Bush, and polls lately have been showing support for Bush is going down. Do I believe Bush will win? I think it is very likely (depending on who goes to vote/how many people).
I think is all depends on the media. They tend to lean towards Bush.
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Just out of curiosity, since most of the people here are Americans, I suppose you'll be able to tell me how much people really support Bush and are happy with the way he's dealt with everything? He isn't very popular in the rest of the world, so I wanted to know. I mean, do you honestly think he'll win the November elections?
I don't like Bush, and polls lately have been showing support for Bush is going down. Do I believe Bush will win? I think it is very likely (depending on who goes to vote/how many people).
I think is all depends on the media. They tend to lean towards Bush.
media? Pro-Bush? Have you watched the new lately?
I think the majority of the media has been remarkably anti-Bush for about a month now.
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Mass media has, and always will be, of a slight liberal-bias. Especially CNN. Fox News is probably IMO the news channel with the most bias, but there's is toward the right. They are so right wing it's not even funny. Sheppard Smith or whatever his name is is so right wing biased that it's scary they allow him on the air.
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I am an Independent. Have been for years. I'm voting for Nader. If you want to reward the wrong policies the Democrats and Republicans have had for years, election after election, go vote for them. I definantly want Bush out, but I also want both parties to lose some of their power as well.
tylor
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I just became a registered voter... my first time to vote in an election is tomorrow!
*is excited*
don't know what the heck i'll vote for tho, lol.
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I am an Independent. Have been for years. I'm voting for Nader. If you want to reward the wrong policies the Democrats and Republicans have had for years, election after election, go vote for them. I definantly want Bush out, but I also want both parties to lose some of their power as well.
tylor
If you want the parties to lose some of their power, then go with the Green Party candidate. Because Nader is running Independant, it will take a chunk of the votes away from Green Party. If we get 5% of the votes for Green Party, they get government funding. Personally, I think Nader running was a terrible mistake, but still... with Green Party, you have a better chance, and you have a shot at government funding.
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media? Pro-Bush? Have you watched the new lately?
I think the majority of the media has been remarkably anti-Bush for about a month now.
Actually I have been watching less news in the past year. I still watch the news, but since the war I have watched less "news" and more towards opinions/candidate coverage.
I do know one thing though:
C-Span is my hero :)
but one month doesn't make up for 3 years.
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if i were to chose, i'd have to say i would be a democrat. however, i will probably register as independent.
kelley
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today was my first voting expirience! it was alright... nothin exciting, haha.
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I am an Independent. Have been for years. I'm voting for Nader. If you want to reward the wrong policies the Democrats and Republicans have had for years, election after election, go vote for them. I definantly want Bush out, but I also want both parties to lose some of their power as well.
tylor
If you want the parties to lose some of their power, then go with the Green Party candidate. Because Nader is running Independant, it will take a chunk of the votes away from Green Party. If we get 5% of the votes for Green Party, they get government funding. Personally, I think Nader running was a terrible mistake, but still... with Green Party, you have a better chance, and you have a shot at government funding.
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Casting a vote for a the green party in a situation like this is suicide to the democrats.
IF I liked the republican and democrat candidate about the same, I think I would agree with you. I would vote green just to get their votes up.
HOWEVER, since I despise Bush, I consider that wasting a perfectly good vote.
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*reads Andrews thingy, doesn't want to quote*
Exactly. I know that Joey hates Bush, but voting for some party that will never really win is kinda dumb and does not help the cause for getting Bush out of office.
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Maybe Joey is just trying to raise support for the party he agrees with. The more votes they get... the more attention they get. Yeah, sure, it's impossible for them to win this election... but in the long run, it'll probably help.
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Maybe Joey is just trying to raise support for the party he agrees with. The more votes they get... the more attention they get. Yeah, sure, it's impossible for them to win this election... but in the long run, it'll probably help.
Thank you.
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Maybe Joey is just trying to raise support for the party he agrees with. The more votes they get... the more attention they get. Yeah, sure, it's impossible for them to win this election... but in the long run, it'll probably help.
Truth. And if this is his goal, more power. But if his primary goal is to get rid of Bush, then I disagree.
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Maybe Joey is just trying to raise support for the party he agrees with. The more votes they get... the more attention they get. Yeah, sure, it's impossible for them to win this election... but in the long run, it'll probably help.
Truth. And if this is his goal, more power. But if his primary goal is to get rid of Bush, then I disagree.
I agree more things on the Green Party platform than any other platform (I've read quite a few). Although I do not like Bush, it is not my main reason for liking the Green Party. It doesn't matter, it'll be a while before I'll be able to vote.
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
Actually, i think you are failing to see the real and significant problem America is causing itself and the rest of the world by refusing to look harder at environmental issues.
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
Actually, i think you are failing to see the real and significant problem America is causing itself and the rest of the world by refusing to look harder at environmental issues.
Seconded.
Treehuggers unite!
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
Actually, i think you are failing to see the real and significant problem America is causing itself and the rest of the world by refusing to look harder at environmental issues.
Seconded.
Treehuggers unite!
WOOOOO. :dr evil:
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I think Bush needs to rethink his campaign...
I want to know why he is using 9-11 footage in an ad? I am sorry...I don't think that should be used for his gain, it's a very sensitive issue. uughhh.
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
Actually, i think you are failing to see the real and significant problem America is causing itself and the rest of the world by refusing to look harder at environmental issues.
I think there are priorities higher than environmental issues. I felt Gore would have gone way overboard. As far as the Kyoto treaty goes, there were things in it you can't seriously expect us to take seriously. It's no wonder we refuse to look.
I was into environmental issues back in the eighties. I was totally into it. You have no idea. But it started to become more of a fad and social movement. It became more of a subjective issue rather than a objective issue. People began to emote rather than think. Environmentalism is a modern day crusade. Go hug your trees. I'll help them --if need be.
tylor
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
Actually, i think you are failing to see the real and significant problem America is causing itself and the rest of the world by refusing to look harder at environmental issues.
I think there are priorities higher than environmental issues. I felt Gore would have gone way overboard. As far as the Kyoto treaty goes, there were things in it you can't seriously expect us to take seriously. It's no wonder we refuse to look.
I was into environmental issues back in the eighties. I was totally into it. You have no idea. But it started to become more of a fad and social movement. It became more of a subjective issue rather than a objective issue. People began to emote rather than think. Environmentalism is a modern day crusade. Go hug your trees. I'll help them --if need be.
tylor
Oh, so just about everyone else in the world signing Kyoto isn't good enough for you? "there were things you can't seriously expect us to take seriously." well EVERYONE ELSE DID. I don't see why Bush and clearly you have a problem with accepting that America must fall in line with these things even more so than any other country, but somehow you think you're too powerful for that- America is the number one producer of pollution in the world, and one of the few left to fail to combat it.
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
Actually, i think you are failing to see the real and significant problem America is causing itself and the rest of the world by refusing to look harder at environmental issues.
I think there are priorities higher than environmental issues. I felt Gore would have gone way overboard. As far as the Kyoto treaty goes, there were things in it you can't seriously expect us to take seriously. It's no wonder we refuse to look.
I was into environmental issues back in the eighties. I was totally into it. You have no idea. But it started to become more of a fad and social movement. It became more of a subjective issue rather than a objective issue. People began to emote rather than think. Environmentalism is a modern day crusade. Go hug your trees. I'll help them --if need be.
tylor
Oh, so just about everyone else in the world signing Kyoto isn't good enough for you? "there were things you can't seriously expect us to take seriously." well EVERYONE ELSE DID. I don't see why Bush and clearly you have a problem with accepting that America must fall in line with these things even more so than any other country, but somehow you think you're too powerful for that- America is the number one producer of pollution in the world, and one of the few left to fail to combat it.
Well.... we aren't failing to combat it. We do have pollution laws. But we aren't doing enough.
Our biggest flaw is still our failure to internalize the externalities of corporate pollution. It's free and lucritive for them to pollute. This has to be changed. There has to be a dis-incentive for large manufacturing companies to pollute.
In addition, we make it relatively CHEAPER to buy large gas guzzling SUV's because they are protected by the pollution laws exceptions that were put in place to protect farmers and american made trucks. That same law kinda rolled over to cover SUV's because it was based on weight. So the government actually SUBSIDIZES SUV purchases. Is there any WONDER why SUV sales are so high? NOt only did we fail to itnernalize the cost of the extra pollution, but we, in fact, made pollution an INCENTIVE.
And I am not even gonna TOUCH on W's hacking of natural forests in Alaska to protect Jobs in the logging industry or his stance on oil drilling in Alaska.
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The whole oil in Alaska confuses me. I was very against it, but my parents' friend works in Alaska drilling oil. He tried to explain a lot of it to me.
So I don't know about that...
Politics are so confusing, because you don't know who to believe...unless you have a feeling (cause sometimes they work...)
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I don't like the Green party for the same reason I feared to vote for Gore. I didn't want the main and overwhelming objective of our country to be expensive enviromental projects. The only reason I voted for them before was because of Nader. I figured at least the Green party was not as bad as Gore. With Gore as president, or so it seemed to me, you wouldn't be able to walk on your front lawn legally because it would be protected under the federal list of protected habitats. ( :wink: to all the democrats)
tylor
Actually, i think you are failing to see the real and significant problem America is causing itself and the rest of the world by refusing to look harder at environmental issues.
I think there are priorities higher than environmental issues. I felt Gore would have gone way overboard. As far as the Kyoto treaty goes, there were things in it you can't seriously expect us to take seriously. It's no wonder we refuse to look.
I was into environmental issues back in the eighties. I was totally into it. You have no idea. But it started to become more of a fad and social movement. It became more of a subjective issue rather than a objective issue. People began to emote rather than think. Environmentalism is a modern day crusade. Go hug your trees. I'll help them --if need be.
tylor
Oh, so just about everyone else in the world signing Kyoto isn't good enough for you? "there were things you can't seriously expect us to take seriously." well EVERYONE ELSE DID. I don't see why Bush and clearly you have a problem with accepting that America must fall in line with these things even more so than any other country, but somehow you think you're too powerful for that- America is the number one producer of pollution in the world, and one of the few left to fail to combat it.
You obviously don't know know what my thoughts are. You make all these general assumptions. I can tell you I'm no ordinary american. I'm certainly not a bigot, thank god. I know how people might think that --I know how the typical american is compared to the rest of the world. I know because I used to, at one time, have nothing but foreign freinds from just about every continent (no one from Anatartica :razz: )
I base my thoughts not on how powerful America is, but on how weak it is. Need an example? Take our national debt. That is one chunk of change. Our social security system, which was running into the ground even before the war, is another. Two things which could be considered strenghts, our standard of living and our military could even be considered weaknesses when viewed from certain perspectives.
When I first heard about the Kyoto treaty I became excited. For one, everyone knows what a nut I am about everything japanese, and two, it seemed on the surface to be a great opportunity for progress for environmental issues around the world. But because of views similar to the one you just made, the treaty was not a fair and equal treaty. America would have stiffer restrictions while other countries would have practically none. Interestingly enough to point out, some of which are asian countries where many of our manufacturing jobs have gone, and which don't regulate themselves, or attempt to regulate themselves, to the same degree as WE at least try. In some instances they burn coal in the open air.
Want to see jobs be sucked even faster out of this country? Sign the treaty.
tylor
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
Why does it bear any relevance to environmental issues? Just trying to insult me?
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
Why does it bear any relevance to environmental issues? Just trying to insult me?
It is a hypothetical deduction I at first (and very quikly) induced impling british policy to be wrong in general, and consequently you. Something british people might actaully agree with. I'm debating you. I actaully have too much respect for you to insult you on a personal level.
tylor
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
Why does it bear any relevance to environmental issues? Just trying to insult me?
It is a hypothetical deduction I at first (and very quikly) induced impling british policy to be wrong in general, and consequently you. Something british people might actaully agree with. I'm debating you. I actaully have too much respect for you to insult you on a personal level.
tylor
Just because 'british policy is wrong in general' in your opinion (and certainly not in mine) does NOT mean that i am wrong. What is 'wrong' in this situation anyway? You made an inductive leap- i.e an assumption which is clearly not true in this case.
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
Why does it bear any relevance to environmental issues? Just trying to insult me?
It is a hypothetical deduction I at first (and very quikly) induced impling british policy to be wrong in general, and consequently you. Something british people might actaully agree with. I'm debating you. I actaully have too much respect for you to insult you on a personal level.
tylor
Just because 'british policy is wrong in general' in your opinion (and certainly not in mine) does NOT mean that i am wrong. What is 'wrong' in this situation anyway? You made an inductive leap- i.e an assumption which is clearly not true in this case.
Well at least you understand what I was saying. But how can it be considered an opinion when it can be proven right or wrong?
Edit: replace 'right and wrong with 'true or false' above.
tylor
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
Why does it bear any relevance to environmental issues? Just trying to insult me?
It is a hypothetical deduction I at first (and very quikly) induced impling british policy to be wrong in general, and consequently you. Something british people might actaully agree with. I'm debating you. I actaully have too much respect for you to insult you on a personal level.
tylor
Just because 'british policy is wrong in general' in your opinion (and certainly not in mine) does NOT mean that i am wrong. What is 'wrong' in this situation anyway? You made an inductive leap- i.e an assumption which is clearly not true in this case.
Well at least you understand what I was saying. But how can it be considered an opinion when it can be proven right or wrong?
Edit: replace 'right and wrong with 'true or false' above.
tylor
Well in that case, how can you say British policy is 'wrong', 'right', 'true' or 'false'?
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
Why does it bear any relevance to environmental issues? Just trying to insult me?
It is a hypothetical deduction I at first (and very quikly) induced impling british policy to be wrong in general, and consequently you. Something british people might actaully agree with. I'm debating you. I actaully have too much respect for you to insult you on a personal level.
tylor
Just because 'british policy is wrong in general' in your opinion (and certainly not in mine) does NOT mean that i am wrong. What is 'wrong' in this situation anyway? You made an inductive leap- i.e an assumption which is clearly not true in this case.
Well at least you understand what I was saying. But how can it be considered an opinion when it can be proven right or wrong?
Edit: replace 'right and wrong with 'true or false' above.
tylor
Well in that case, how can you say British policy is 'wrong', 'right', 'true' or 'false'?
Well in the case of inducing either you could give examples supporting your generalization, the overwhelming trend giving evidence to your assertion, emperically giving proof it is true or false.
tylor
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Don't worry Rosie, the official British international political position has been consistently wrong so many times (take the Iraq war for instance,) as soon as we found out the british supported the war it should of tipped us NOT to support the war....or other things international stuff.....
:D
tylor
Errr not quite sure why on earth you posted this Tylor.
Just in jest. Might have some truth to it, no? The war was just a stupid example really...
tylor
Why does it bear any relevance to environmental issues? Just trying to insult me?
It is a hypothetical deduction I at first (and very quikly) induced impling british policy to be wrong in general, and consequently you. Something british people might actaully agree with. I'm debating you. I actaully have too much respect for you to insult you on a personal level.
tylor
Just because 'british policy is wrong in general' in your opinion (and certainly not in mine) does NOT mean that i am wrong. What is 'wrong' in this situation anyway? You made an inductive leap- i.e an assumption which is clearly not true in this case.
Well at least you understand what I was saying. But how can it be considered an opinion when it can be proven right or wrong?
Edit: replace 'right and wrong with 'true or false' above.
tylor
Well in that case, how can you say British policy is 'wrong', 'right', 'true' or 'false'?
Well in the case of inducing either you could give examples supporting your generalization, the overwhelming trend giving evidence to your assertion, emperically giving proof it is true or false.
tylor
true or false..
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Want to see jobs be sucked even faster out of this country? Sign the treaty.
If it makes econmic sense for jobs to leave this country then the jobs SHOULD leave this country. If you doubt this, then you know nothing about econmics and should exit this conversation, stage left.
There are ways to prune the job issue if we really wanted to.
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Want to see jobs be sucked even faster out of this country? Sign the treaty.
If it makes econmic sense for jobs to leave this country then the jobs SHOULD leave this country. If you doubt this, then you know nothing about econmics and should exit this conversation, stage left.
There are ways to prune the job issue if we really wanted to.
It makes no sense as an economic policy with our interests in mind to allow them to be. If you doubt this, then give me access to your bank accounts. Edit: But I am aware of some of the benefits....I don't really think they are justified really.
But you are right there are ways to prune the job issue but I don't see them in action.
tylor
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democrat...and i'm votin for kerry
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democrat...and i'm votin for kerry
Kerry is a babe.
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eww Kerry reminds me of Bill Clinton, haha
But anywho, yeah since I'll actually be able to vote when it comes election time, I have finally made up my mind who I am voting for.. & *holds breath* Kerry...
Yup. I was all for Bush, & was really gonna vote for him & everything, but last night I caught the end of the 20 million questions thing for Kerry on MTV (I know MTV blah blah blah, hush!) & when he was talkin about the whole gay marriage thing, I was like "wow, I'm shocked he said that!" I thought he would be all totally against it, but I thought his answer was honest. I am straight of course, but I thought his answer to that was a good one. Totally surprised me.
You know, I probably wouldn't even be saying this but my Economics teacher makes us look at what both parties have to say whether your a democrat, republican etc. so yeah. I'm gonna catch it next time it's on then decide. And see what he has to say about all the other issues & stuff.
Just thought I'd share.
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Bill Clinton is such a bad guy, we know/sarcasm....I mean because oral sex has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with his private life.
I need to start looking up Kerry things. I can't vote but I despise Bush for what he has done in the past 4 years.
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I saw that last night too laura! it was really good! the only thing i really strongly disagree with kerry about is sending more troops in. i just can't agree with that. but he is for bringing our allies in closer, and approaching the war differently. But did anyone notice that he skipped around a lot? like when the guy asked how he was going to improve inner city areas and he didn't really even answer? maybe they didn't include everything in the interview, but i'm going to have to see or hear some straight answers from him before i really decide on voting for him or not...
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Bill Clinton is such a bad guy, we know/sarcasm....I mean because oral sex has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with his private life.
:roll:
I saw that last night too laura! it was really good! the only thing i really strongly disagree with kerry about is sending more troops in. i just can't agree with that. but he is for bringing our allies in closer, and approaching the war differently. But did anyone notice that he skipped around a lot? like when the guy asked how he was going to improve inner city areas and he didn't really even answer? maybe they didn't include everything in the interview, but i'm going to have to see or hear some straight answers from him before i really decide on voting for him or not...
hmmm, yeah that is a good point even tho I didn't see the whole thing. Dangit I hope it is on again soon, if not maybe i'll just read the interview on mtv.com
I am so bloody confused. I really wanted John Edwards & so did a lot of people from my school but now that he's out I have no clue who I'm going to vote for. I used to like Bush but lately he has been bugging the crap outta me & Kerry has always bugged me, but lately I seem to want to vote for him more. Ahh dangit. I don't know what I should register as now. :?
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yeah, i think i'll read it when i get the chance too, because they could have cut a lot out of what they showed. anyways, the thing that bugs me is they show the shows at 10:30, when most teenagers aren't watching. They need to publicize it more too. if it's so important, then they need to show more than just two commercials! :-P
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wow, that is great. Not that you are voting for Kerry but that you are making a informed decision. I haven't seen any of that but if they are really doing what you say, then great. They should have all the canidates on something like that to make it fair.
tylor
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Bill Clinton is such a bad guy, we know/sarcasm....I mean because oral sex has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with his private life.
:roll:
I saw that last night too laura! it was really good! the only thing i really strongly disagree with kerry about is sending more troops in. i just can't agree with that. but he is for bringing our allies in closer, and approaching the war differently. But did anyone notice that he skipped around a lot? like when the guy asked how he was going to improve inner city areas and he didn't really even answer? maybe they didn't include everything in the interview, but i'm going to have to see or hear some straight answers from him before i really decide on voting for him or not...
hmmm, yeah that is a good point even tho I didn't see the whole thing. Dangit I hope it is on again soon, if not maybe i'll just read the interview on mtv.com
I am so bloody confused. I really wanted John Edwards & so did a lot of people from my school but now that he's out I have no clue who I'm going to vote for. I used to like Bush but lately he has been bugging the crap outta me & Kerry has always bugged me, but lately I seem to want to vote for him more. Ahh dangit. I don't know what I should register as now. :?
independent....
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wow, that is great. Not that you are voting for Kerry but that you are making a informed decision. I haven't seen any of that but if they are really doing what you say, then great. They should have all the canidates on something like that to make it fair.
tylor
see i don't even know if i want to vote for Kerry.......gah it's too hard. i considered voting for Nader.....but blah i don't know what the hell i'm gonna do now :-P
yeah i agree with you, they (mtv) should have like, hour long specials instead of just little half hour ones where they edit out a lot of info.....i think it's great that they're doing Choose or Lose and all that, but they need to execute it right to make people informed.
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Politics fascinates me. And yet, I'm still confused. I know I shouldn't really be thinking about it now, because I've got almost five years before my opinion actually matters, somewhat, but I have conversations on politics all the time.
Every time I tell myself that I'm going to, you know, be a Democrat I think of the Southern Democrats during the Civil War, God knows I don't like the Confederacy. But then I remember I shouldn't be stereotypical; but I think . . . "If I think this, there are certainly more people in America who think the same thing. So, if I become a Democrat, will they think I'm just another Southern bigot?" The only thing I really agree with the Democratic party on is war, and how it doesn't solve anything. Because I really believe that. But that's one thing, and ONE thing shouldn't determine every political belief I have, not saying that if I DO in fact became a Democrat, I'm going to be anti-war, pro-choice, etc. - I'm certainly not going to believe EVERY belief is right, in whichever political party of which I'm a part.
So, I decide I'm going to be a Republican. But then . . . I keep going back to the part in American History X, when the fat guy is interviewing the generic-lesbian-looking boy, and the boy says something about how only "white, Protestant, Republicans" count. And that, big surprise, pisses me off. I shouldn't be stereotypical; but I think . . . "If I think this, there are certainly more people in America who think the same thing. So, if I become a [Republican], will they think I'm just another [racist, white asshole]
like the guy in American History X? Of course I won't be, but everyone labels everyone and everyone stereotypes. The only thing I disagree with, in the Republican party, is their solution to all life's problems: war. I can just imagine an American driving down some Canadian road, the Canadian hits the American, so we go to war with Canada. That's, for some reason, the picture I always have in my mind.
So, I decide to be Independent, but that, to me, is like saying that I don't really know or care what's going on, so I'm going to remain unbiased or undecided.
Too much time on my hands, I know. I just want everyone to spread the love. You don't have to be liberal to think that.