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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: Martin. on September 04, 2007, 03:04:46 am
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I've been reading that it was supposed to be the fourth single but got scrapped or something? Is that true? Would you have wanted it to be the fourth single?
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Never heard that well not sure. That would be cool.
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I wouldn't like Rinse as a single.
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Well it would make sense for it to be released as a single, VC obviously loved this song as it was to be the title track of her album until 'Be Not Nobody' was chosen
I would have chosen wanted a very fiery song, also one of my fav's and as paradise had already been a b-side would probably have been the best choice.
But they should all have been released as they are all so great!!
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VC posted it herself on the original O-board, then it got deleted, maybe because it got vetoed by the label. Someone has a screen capture somewhere.
Dan/NS
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yeah it was something like "rinse is my fourth single!"
personally I would've loved for rinse to be a single, I think it would've done great =)
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I think I agree with Garry I would have preferred Wanted because it is fiery and passionate but I think it's a little too late for that LOL.
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Wanted wouldn't be successful. That kind of song isn't the favourite for too much people, unless it was the remix.
If I had to choose a song, I'd choose Unsung. I don't see the rest of songs like singles.
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Rinse would've been a good single, imo.
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If there was gonna be a fourth single, I'd have either had "Rinse" or "Unsung" myself.
Thanks for the replies too!
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"Rinse" or "Unsung" would've been better than "Pretty Baby", in my opinion.
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I agree with "Unsung". I actually called my radio station back then for them to play it, but they didn't, of course.
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"Unsung" would be the only song with a shot at success.
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I still blame the remix for Pretty Baby's failure :lol:. The album version had a great AC sound and they crushed that with the remix.
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"Unsung" would be the only song with a shot at success.
I agree.
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I still blame the remix for Pretty Baby's failure :lol:. The album version had a great AC sound and they crushed that with the remix.
I actually prefer the single version.
Pretty Baby has some pretty creepy lyrics though in hindsight.
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yeah i agree lol
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I Think if she did release 4 singles it wouldn't gone like this:
A Thousand Miles [well we all know that was huge]
Unsung [because it's catchy and different from 1000 Miles, rather then Ordinary Day, which i dont think was a very good choice for a single]
Rinse [Darker and again different from the other 2, just to show V can perform with different styles]
And lastly
Ordinary Day [ just so the old Vanessa that everyone fell in love with shines through, just to think that Unsung hit big, this song would be really good as a finisher.]
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Sway was a really hot song performed live... i used to love watching her perform that song with the band. It might have been an interesting single :)
-katia
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Sway was a really hot song performed live...
OMG, yes!!
I remember almost freaking out when I saw it live for the first time in Paris!!! haha
It would have made a killer single.
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Sway was a really hot song performed live...
OMG, yes!!
I remember almost freaking out when I saw it live for the first time in Paris!!! haha
It would have made a killer single.
I am so, so sad that I never saw her live with a full band! :(
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I prefer the remix of pretty baby to the original. I actually think Paradise or Sway would've been really good singles.....let V show off her darker side.
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god i hope she doesnt use "rinse"
that is like her worst song
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Ummm....Rinse is not her worst song...it's actually a really good song. Just so you know.
@$$
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Actually you're right, it isn't her worst song at all--Pretty Baby is...
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Actually you're right , it isn't her worst song at all--Pretty Baby is...
We're not speaking in present tense when you said "god i hope she doesnt use "rinse" " since that was like 4 years ago :!:
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
I'm gonna wonder if you really are a nessa fan ... :wink:
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
I'm gonna wonder if you really are a nessa fan ... :wink:
Well we aren't one to decide who is and who isn't, if someone says they are how can we just say "YOUR NOT A FAN" :) But still, every singer must have 1 bad song, and to BOS it's Rinse or Pretty Baby.
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
I'm gonna wonder if you really are a nessa fan ... :wink:
Well we aren't one to decide who is and who isn't, if someone says they are how can we just say "YOUR NOT A FAN" :) But still, every singer must have 1 bad song, and to BOS it's Rinse or Pretty Baby.
I noticed that girls for the most part have a real affinity for the song Rinse, for obvious reasons. But then again, the majority of Vanessa's fanbase are either female or gay. lol
The last Vanessa show I went to consisted of mainly girls, and then there was a lot of gay guys, and the guys that weren't gay were just there because of their girlfriends or something.
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
I'm gonna wonder if you really are a nessa fan ... :wink:
Well we aren't one to decide who is and who isn't, if someone says they are how can we just say "YOUR NOT A FAN" :) But still, every singer must have 1 bad song, and to BOS it's Rinse or Pretty Baby.
I noticed that girls for the most part have a real affinity for the song Rinse, for obvious reasons. But then again, the majority of Vanessa's fanbase are either female or gay. lol
The last Vanessa show I went to consisted of mainly girls, and then there was a lot of gay guys, and the guys that weren't gay were just there because of their girlfriends or something.
Well if i remember correctly, isn't there more girls then guys in the world, haha imagine if every single girl liked Vanessa... that'd be strange...
That post made no sense at all and was pointless :wink:
But yea, nothing wrong with her fanbase, even if they are mostly feminine.
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
I'm gonna wonder if you really are a nessa fan ... :wink:
Well we aren't one to decide who is and who isn't, if someone says they are how can we just say "YOUR NOT A FAN" :) But still, every singer must have 1 bad song, and to BOS it's Rinse or Pretty Baby.
I noticed that girls for the most part have a real affinity for the song Rinse, for obvious reasons. But then again, the majority of Vanessa's fanbase are either female or gay. lol
The last Vanessa show I went to consisted of mainly girls, and then there was a lot of gay guys, and the guys that weren't gay were just there because of their girlfriends or something.
Well if i remember correctly, isn't there more girls then guys in the world, haha imagine if every single girl liked Vanessa... that'd be strange...
That post made no sense at all and was pointless :wink:
But yea, nothing wrong with her fanbase, even if they are mostly feminine.
I didn't say there was anything wrong, just an observation. And it's really not pointless, females are more inclined to like certain types of music where as males listen to others. Of course this is a dumb generalization and there's always exceptions, but you won't see a lot of straight men listening to Celine Dion. lol
Sorry, I just got out of my night Sociology class and I'm still thinking like a sociologist.
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
I'm gonna wonder if you really are a nessa fan ... :wink:
Well we aren't one to decide who is and who isn't, if someone says they are how can we just say "YOUR NOT A FAN" :) But still, every singer must have 1 bad song, and to BOS it's Rinse or Pretty Baby.
I noticed that girls for the most part have a real affinity for the song Rinse, for obvious reasons. But then again, the majority of Vanessa's fanbase are either female or gay. lol
The last Vanessa show I went to consisted of mainly girls, and then there was a lot of gay guys, and the guys that weren't gay were just there because of their girlfriends or something.
lol yeah i'm a girl
I really like Rinse :lol:
on the subject of Pretty Baby,
why is the radio edit different from the one on the CD?
i could've sworn i had that version on a CD,
but i lost it and so i bought a new one a year later and
Pretty Baby was less piano and more drum/guitar....
can someone tell me if i'm crazy or if they just released
a different version?
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No. All I am saying is that song is mediocre and isn't single material--nor should it ever be remade or remixed for any future single.
I'm gonna wonder if you really are a nessa fan ... :wink:
Well we aren't one to decide who is and who isn't, if someone says they are how can we just say "YOUR NOT A FAN" :) But still, every singer must have 1 bad song, and to BOS it's Rinse or Pretty Baby.
I noticed that girls for the most part have a real affinity for the song Rinse, for obvious reasons. But then again, the majority of Vanessa's fanbase are either female or gay. lol
The last Vanessa show I went to consisted of mainly girls, and then there was a lot of gay guys, and the guys that weren't gay were just there because of their girlfriends or something.
lol yeah i'm a girl
I really like Rinse :lol:
on the subject of Pretty Baby,
why is the radio edit different from the one on the CD?
i could've sworn i had that version on a CD,
but i lost it and so i bought a new one a year later and
Pretty Baby was less piano and more drum/guitar....
can someone tell me if i'm crazy or if they just released
a different version?
The CD was later released in Europe and featured the single version of Pretty Baby instead of the original, that CD also had bonus tracks such as remixes, etc. I can't recall if that version of BNN was ever released here in the States though.
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Well i know is, Australia's Be Not Nobody doesn't have any different tracks. I wish she'd release Heroes and Thieves down here! :x We've already missed out on Harmonium :(
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Well i know is, Australia's Be Not Nobody doesn't have any different tracks. I wish she'd release Heroes and Thieves down here! :x We've already missed out on Harmonium :(
I've noticed that Australia gets shafted hardcore when it comes to CDs and video games.
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Well i know is, Australia's Be Not Nobody doesn't have any different tracks. I wish she'd release Heroes and Thieves down here! :x We've already missed out on Harmonium :(
I've noticed that Australia gets shafted hardcore when it comes to CDs and video games.
Well we do get games a week before UK most of the time. Which is a good thing, but it's usally 1 month after it was released in US and JAP...
Stupid PAL configuration...
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I noticed that girls for the most part have a real affinity for the song Rinse, for obvious reasons. But then again, the majority of Vanessa's fanbase are either female or gay. lol
for me, listening to nessa's music is simply the best way to help correct my overabundance of testosterone...
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I love rinse and pretty baby, especially the video version of PB.
I remember discussing this on the old forum, but v's music is just kind of... feminine. It attracts those who like the feminine-type of music. V is my favorite so I'm sure being gay has a lot to do with it. =P
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We're in the 21st century, boys and girls are acting the same way and most of Vanessa's songs witch are about boys could be about girls too (exept white houses of course) .
But I have to admit that I don't understand every lyrics, but maybe if I could, I would not be able to identify to her like I do.
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We're in the 21st century, boys and girls are acting the same way and most of Vanessa's songs witch are about boys could be about girls too (exept white houses of course) .
But I have to admit that I don't understand every lyrics, but maybe if I could, I would not be able to identify to her like I do.
Well that's true, but she does base lots of songs on personal experience, being a girl she would naturally attract girls attention.
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Well maybe I'm becoming a woman loooool
No but when I listen to best behavior, it's just like she was singing about me. By the way I'm just defending the straigh male cause :) whitch is pointless cause I know I'm wrong :x
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
Yeah same here....over in the suburbs I never hear of a guy listining to Vanessa and if someone does listen to her its always girls.
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Men and woman are acting more and more alike outside of the United States. For example in Japan, men are much more feminine in appearance and dress, and are desired by women as such.
In America there's a much more machismo aspect to masculinity, like... men are expected to act and be a certain way. Of course there are metrosexuals, but outside of cities metrosexuals aren't as common.
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For God's sakes stop making vanessa carlton a gay and/or feminine issue. If guys weren't known to like football, and it still existed, it would instantly become a banner of femininity because of all the chicks who just go to see guys running around in tights. It would suddenly be "gay" for the same reason. Football team's uniforms would be in pink, pastels, and purple. Transsexual players would have long fingernails and boobs.
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i dunno man...
i feel totally gay whenever i listen to "white houses"
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Maybe you are gay.
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nah...
ive had waaaaaay too many hottub fantasies of nessa and her sister
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hmmm...
i think i may have said too much here
gotta go
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nah...
ive had waaaaaay too many hottub fantasies of nessa and her sister
That's disgusting. Guys give better head anyway. Everyone knows that.
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i dunno man...
i feel totally gay whenever i listen to "white houses"
Why? I always feel like a mature guy listening to a story about some girl losing her virginity. Not all male to female relationships have to do with the validation of your sexuality. For instance, if you ever had a sister or a daughter, listening to such a story from her wouldn't make you gay. It might make you uncomfortable in those specific cases. It would be a more serious or mature conversation and perspective. Or if you were listening to some lady telling a group a story and opening up, where she is married or is going out with your best friend. In such cases it wouldn't make you gay and it would be silly to feel that way. It might not be your topic of choice, but if you are a certain type of person who likes interesting involved conversation you might be able to appreciate it for what it is on a mature level.
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Wow, you guys are too much...
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lol...I love this forum :wink:
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well I like rinse and I'm a girl... :lol: I guess its cause a lotta girls can relate to its lyrics for one reason or another. Oh and I dont think guys are generally gay if they like Vanessa. Lots of guys secretly like piano based music but wont admit it through fear of seeming gay if they want to seem manly.
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Vanessa's music is kinda girly
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i dunno man...
i feel totally gay whenever i listen to "white houses"
Why? I always feel like a mature guy listening to a story about some girl losing her virginity. Not all male to female relationships have to do with the validation of your sexuality. For instance, if you ever had a sister or a daughter, listening to such a story from her wouldn't make you gay. It might make you uncomfortable in those specific cases. It would be a more serious or mature conversation and perspective. Or if you were listening to some lady telling a group a story and opening up, where she is married or is going out with your best friend. In such cases it wouldn't make you gay and it would be silly to feel that way. It might not be your topic of choice, but if you are a certain type of person who likes interesting involved conversation you might be able to appreciate it for what it is on a mature level.
It really has nothing to do with the validation of anyone's sexuality. It's just that some people are more inclined to prefer certain types of music as opposed to others. And in Psychological research, most of the lines are drawn between the masculine and feminine, and are compared against one another, gender lines are the basis for a lot of studies.
I'm not trying to make Vanessa a feminine/gay issue, because guess what Tylor, it's not an issue. People listening to Vanessa - regardless as to their gender or sexuality, is awesome, it's just an observation.
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vanessa i just a brilliant composer, plain and simple
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agree!!
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
I mean, I wouldn't consider Cincinnati a big city, but I go to an all guy school and there are at least 4 or 5 other guys I know that like Vanessa and none of them are gay - or flaming or out, for that matter. I am not gay and I love V's music.
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
I mean, I wouldn't consider Cincinnati a big city, but I go to an all guy school and there are at least 4 or 5 other guys I know that like Vanessa and none of them are gay - or flaming or out, for that matter. I am not gay and I love V's music.
Cincinnati's is pretty big.lol
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
I mean, I wouldn't consider Cincinnati a big city, but I go to an all guy school and there are at least 4 or 5 other guys I know that like Vanessa and none of them are gay - or flaming or out, for that matter. I am not gay and I love V's music.
Cincinnati's is pretty big.lol
See what I mean? Let's claim vanessa for gay people on a standard based on one gay guy who lives in an area that tries to repress his sexuality. A standard that is irrevocable because everywhere has more people then he lives. Hell, lets just count your neighborhood. We'll focus on the bully.
We could even go as far as finding a gay guy in the alaskian tundra who is convinced the polar bears don't see his sexuality the way he does and needs vanessa to help identify with it.
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
I mean, I wouldn't consider Cincinnati a big city, but I go to an all guy school and there are at least 4 or 5 other guys I know that like Vanessa and none of them are gay - or flaming or out, for that matter. I am not gay and I love V's music.
Cincinnati's is pretty big.lol
See what I mean? Let's claim vanessa for gay people on a standard based on one gay guy who lives in an area that tries to repress his sexuality. A standard that is irrevocable because everywhere has more people then he lives. Hell, lets just count your neighborhood. We'll focus on the bully.
We could even go as far as finding a gay guy in the alaskian tundra who is convinced the polar bears don't see his sexuality the way he does and needs vanessa to help identify with it.
You can say some really stupid things sometimes Tylor. :|
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
I mean, I wouldn't consider Cincinnati a big city, but I go to an all guy school and there are at least 4 or 5 other guys I know that like Vanessa and none of them are gay - or flaming or out, for that matter. I am not gay and I love V's music.
Cincinnati's is pretty big.lol
See what I mean? Let's claim vanessa for gay people on a standard based on one gay guy who lives in an area that tries to repress his sexuality. A standard that is irrevocable because everywhere has more people then he lives. Hell, lets just count your neighborhood. We'll focus on the bully.
We could even go as far as finding a gay guy in the alaskian tundra who is convinced the polar bears don't see his sexuality the way he does and needs vanessa to help identify with it.
You can say some really stupid things sometimes Tylor. :|
I don't thinks so. It is a position. I don't want vc to be labeled as gay and girl music. As much as I respect your comments in particular, I don't agree with all of the people here and the content of their arguments. I've heard this stuff before, because frankly I've had friends from all walks of life, including gay men. And I just don't agree.
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I really beg to differ on the boys and girls act the same thing. Maybe in cities, but not everywhere. Here no man would dare listen to Vanessa Carlton. Except me of course.
I mean, I wouldn't consider Cincinnati a big city, but I go to an all guy school and there are at least 4 or 5 other guys I know that like Vanessa and none of them are gay - or flaming or out, for that matter. I am not gay and I love V's music.
Cincinnati's is pretty big.lol
See what I mean? Let's claim vanessa for gay people on a standard based on one gay guy who lives in an area that tries to repress his sexuality. A standard that is irrevocable because everywhere has more people then he lives. Hell, lets just count your neighborhood. We'll focus on the bully.
We could even go as far as finding a gay guy in the alaskian tundra who is convinced the polar bears don't see his sexuality the way he does and needs vanessa to help identify with it.
You can say some really stupid things sometimes Tylor. :|
I don't thinks so. It is a position. I don't want vc to be labeled as gay and girl music. As much as I respect your comments in particular, I don't agree with all of the people here and the content of their arguments. I've heard this stuff before, because frankly I've had friends from all walks of life, including gay men. And I just don't agree.
I meant that I found your polar bear common slightly offensive and pretty tactless. Sorry, I understand your position but the way you chose to present it didn't sit too well with me.