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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: Saulo on October 10, 2007, 09:17:55 am
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How much do you guys think H&T is going to sell in its first week of release?
Top 40 debut? More or less than 50.000 copies?
All bets are in. :)
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Around 5000 [including downloads]... Which is a good start :wink:
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I think 15000 copies
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I'm thinking first week sales of around 18,000-20,000 copies, and an initial chart position of somewhere between 40 and 50. I'm hoping for it to at least scrape the top 40, but I don't think that's very likely.
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It's the number-12 album on iTunes right now... not a bad start.
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It's the number-12 album on iTunes right now... not a bad start.
That's really good! When I checked yesterday it wasn't even in the top 100.
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I think Regis & Kelly will guarantee at least 20,000. Still haven't got my copy, though. :(
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i'm scared to find out how much it's selling.
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First day sales for HaT weren't posted at Hits Daily Double... so that's not necessarily a good sign. I can see this getting 20-25k, but we'll see.
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there are no first day numbers on HDD right now, its not exclusive to Carlton
Id estimate another 26,000 or so copies in week one, maybe more. I think shes much more on the promo circuit this time round, which should make up for the lack of a strong single
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i'm scared to find out how much it's selling.
im scared too!! :( i really hope it does well...
im hoping for at least 45 000...but i think it will be around 22000
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Well....Harmonium did like 40,000 opening week, right? I'm guessing 60,000 at the most, including downloads. I'm pretty psyched. It seems to be doing really well.
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to give you a reference point.... jlo is projected to sell only 60K
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JLo's been dead for awhile. However, Heroes & Thieves is #12 on iTunes and #180 or so on Amazon. Those are some damned good sales. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised.
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shes #5 on the top Rock albums on iTunes... ahead of matchbox twenty (wow) James Blunt, and nickel back!
shes # 12 on the overall top albums on iTunes ahead of Fiest and Jennifer Lopez Matchbox twenty and leann rimes
plus all the comments on the cd so far have been good! 4 out of 5 stars.
EDIT: Now its 4 and a half stars out of 5 and it not has 234 reviews, earler it had like 203 205 somehwere around there
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iTunes seems to be doiing well for her :) n my iTunes since im in Canada, she isnt really listed anywhere :(
on amazon.ca her sales rank was like 20 000 like 2 days ago, and today it is 117 :D
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Edit #2:
shes now #11 on the overall album sales on iTunes! now ahead of the Foo Fighters!
at the rate shes going she will definitley be on the top 10 tomorrow! which means more people see it and go "hmmhmm I will buy this" agh the excitment!
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thats awesome!!! it sucks how my itunes isnt the same...i thought it would be the same for the US and Canada...just so i know im going to the right place, where do i clikc once ive entered the iTunes store??
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Very impressive. Hope, hope, hope! She seriously deserves the best. This album is fantastic.
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thats awesome!!! it sucks how my itunes isnt the same...i thought it would be the same for the US and Canada...just so i know im going to the right place, where do i clikc once ive entered the iTunes store??
You can change it from Canada to US at the bottom. Then on the side you can click Top Albums...
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i'm scared to find out how much it's selling.
im scared too!! :( i really hope it does well...
im hoping for at least 45 000...but i think it will be around 22000
I know! It's so scary thinking of Vanessa's sucess (or lack of) and its so dissapointing! People just don't know what they are missing! I have to admit, I'm ususally always right about songs that are sucessful and why, and i dont know why some of her music hasnt been! I think its because I'm biased... we all are!! haha but its good though.
*crosses fingers for success of Heroes and Thieves*
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thats awesome!!! it sucks how my itunes isnt the same...i thought it would be the same for the US and Canada...just so i know im going to the right place, where do i clikc once ive entered the iTunes store??
You can change it from Canada to US at the bottom. Then on the side you can click Top Albums...
Thank you sooo much. im gunna try that when i get home from school today. :)
Thanks .:D
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I'm gonna put up a small guide just in case other people don't know how to get to it :D'
(http://i21.tinypic.com/9sa26q.jpg)
If you notice in the pic, Nessa is at Number 9# :D
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wow to be at number 9 in the itunes chart she must have sold a fair few copies right ? :lol:
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and she is now #4 on top rock albums sold!
I have to say, she is doing so much better than what I thought she and the cd would be doing! so exciting =]
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where do you think she'll enter in the hot 100 album chart?
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just out of curiosity, who bought theirs digitally and who bought a physical copy?
i got a physical copy from barnes and noble. i'm glad i did because i love the booklet.
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I paid for three actual CD's. One is still (hopefully) coming in the mail.
That booklet is incredible. The artwork is breathtaking.
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I paid for three actual CD's. One is still (hopefully) coming in the mail.
That booklet is incredible. The artwork is breathtaking.
Yay! thats awesome. I only bought one in store because I know for sure they are going to sell them at concerts and I want to buy merch at a show.
And the artwork is spectacular.
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thats awesome!!! it sucks how my itunes isnt the same...i thought it would be the same for the US and Canada...just so i know im going to the right place, where do i clikc once ive entered the iTunes store??
You can change it from Canada to US at the bottom. Then on the side you can click Top Albums...
awesome.. i just did it...now i can see how the album is doing :D
Thank you.
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Nessa isn't in the top 50 on Hits Daily Double..that's not a good sign :(
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Nessa isn't in the top 50 on Hits Daily Double..that's not a good sign :(
omg.
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Nessa isn't in the top 50 on Hits Daily Double..that's not a good sign :(
Not only is it not a good sing, it's pathetic.
Let's keep our fingers crossed that it'll leap into the top 50 (at least). When does iTunes give HDD the numbers? Does anyone know?
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I think no matter what the number of records V sold first week is, we need to be patient.
Yeah, V has A Thousand Miles as the song most people who haven't been living under a rock know, and she has all of us NESSAholics as holdover fans who probably bought the album, but think about it, she has been out of sight out of mind for 3 years, and due to the lack of promotional push for Harmonium it is really more like 4+ years.
To most casual fans, Vanessa is essentially a new artist. It is important to keep this in mind because it is unrealistic to expect her to outsell people like Kid Rock, LeAnn Rimes and J-Lo who have fairly established fanbases. She will obviously take the second week hit next week and a lot of people will get scared this CD is going to flop, but that is why it is important for V to get out on Regis & Kelly, be on Leno, and get Nolita played on VH1 and MTV, so sales can pick back up or at least stay steady. Then V, Irv and company will get the song out on the radio. Then they'll need to pimp the tour hard to sell records that way.
It would be awesome if V showed up on top CD's sold, etc., but even if it doesn't we can't give up on it yet. Be patient.
I know a lot of people have voiced frustration over the implied lack of promotion of the album, well trust me, there isn't a lack of promotion. A lot of it is just behind the scenes and is coming through in strategic planning. There were 10 different reviews of H&T in 10 different sources that all came out right around or on the day of the album release--that wasn't a coincidence. That was strategic planning.
All I'm saying I guess is I believe in V and I believe in Irv to get this done and make this album a success, or at least more successful than Harmonium. Even if it eventually only goes Gold, that's 2.5 times more than what Harmonium sold.
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oooo that sucks about that daily double thing..but hopefully it'll pick up>>>
BTW i LOVE your sig HazyEyes. :) LMAO>
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i couldn't even locate it on billboard top 200. What's going on? I hope the albums doing much better than what we're seeing right now!
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i couldn't even locate it on billboard top 200. What's going on? I hope the albums doing much better than what we're seeing right now!
hmm.. i dont think the new listings have come up yet...
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Vanessa is 191 in amazon.fr
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Recent update:
Vanessa Carlton is #46 on the Billboard Hot 100 album chart, selling just 17,433 according to HitsDailyDouble.
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It is kind of funny how the industry has changed. Harmonium sold like 40k in its first week, and that was good for mid-30s. Now there are only 18 albums that sold over 40k this week.
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i really hope things turn around for this project.
i'm so gutted for vanessa.
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is that #46 confirmed ??
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is that #46 confirmed ??
yeah.
it said "final sales".
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Disappointing but at least she made it to the top 50. It's really sad that one of the best albums of the year is selling so bad.
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Disappointing but at least she made it to the top 50. It's really sad that one of the best albums of the year is selling so bad.
This is just the first week sales guys! Back in the day artists and bands never debuted highly. They worked their way up the charts. Let's give Nolita Fairytale some time. Maybe more stations will pick up on it. If not, there's always a second single to hopefully increase sales.
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yes i agree...we cant lose hope yet :)
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Recent update:
Vanessa Carlton is #46 on the Billboard Hot 100 album chart, selling just 17,433 according to HitsDailyDouble.
That's not that bad, actually. A lot more than most people have been predicting. And I expect it to remain about the same for the second week. I mean, the video's doing really well on VH1, and hopefully there will be more press.
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Disappointing but at least she made it to the top 50. It's really sad that one of the best albums of the year is selling so bad.
This is just the first week sales guys! Back in the day artists and bands never debuted highly. They worked their way up the charts. Let's give Nolita Fairytale some time. Maybe more stations will pick up on it. If not, there's always a second single to hopefully increase sales.
Yeah but now albums drop 30-50% after the first week sales. That's the problem.
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Disappointing but at least she made it to the top 50. It's really sad that one of the best albums of the year is selling so bad.
This is just the first week sales guys! Back in the day artists and bands never debuted highly. They worked their way up the charts. Let's give Nolita Fairytale some time. Maybe more stations will pick up on it. If not, there's always a second single to hopefully increase sales.
Yeah but now albums drop 30-50% after the first week sales. That's the problem.
ya but not all the time...if she gets recognized more this week with the TRL thing and all it could rise...hopefullly... :)
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Recent update:
Vanessa Carlton is #46 on the Billboard Hot 100 album chart, selling just 17,433 according to HitsDailyDouble.
What I would give to "just" sell 17,433 in the first week!
She may not ever repeat the success of "Be Not Nobody", but most artists can only dream of what she is accomplishing now.
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If Vanessa becomes promiscuous singer, she can sell over 7 million of copies.. hehe
But NOOOO
I'm really glad for her start
And I'll be buying mine as soon as it gets to Brazil...
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I was hopnig it would do better, but that is pretty good. but it should be higher. just cause its not high on the charts doesnt mean anything. as long as us fans like the music thats all that matters. Nollita fairytale is such a great single. love it.
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I've been watching to see how it's doing, I'm glad that it seems to be off to a pretty good start, i loved Harmonium and was sad it didn't get the recognition it deserved, hope more people become fans because of this one.
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The biz is a whole different world now. It's not done changing. You have things like singles being released several times, like Pink's, that take a year to catch on.
I think #46 is pretty good to start off with. Sure, we were hoping for more, but it could have been much worse.
In the future, artists may end up making more money by touring or getting songs into commercials or movie soundtracks. I think even more VC songs could end up in movies.
Dan/NS
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ACTUALLY
Billboard has confirmed THIS:
Vanessa Carlton's "Heroes & Thieves" debuts at No. 44 with 18,000 sold.
She has sold exactly 18,000 copies debut week! Its good, not great, but good.
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18,000 is a good number... 8)
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ya i guess thats okay..i was hoping for a little above 20 000...but thats still good...
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18,000 is a good number... 8)
How is that good? J Lo's only sold 60,000 and it's considered to be a flop. :?
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18,000 is a good number... 8)
How is that good? J Lo's only sold 60,000 and it's considered to be a flop. :?
Expectations for J Lo >>>>>>>> Expectations for Vanessa. :wink:
Different artists, different expectations.
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18,000 is a good number... 8)
How is that good? J Lo's only sold 60,000 and it's considered to be a flop. :?
It WAS a flop for Jennifer Lopez's standards.
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I dunno, I just have doubts about Irv continuing to pump money into Vanessa if he doesn't start seeing a return on his investments eventually at some point down the line. I mean, we know that Irv loves Vanessa and her music, but he's still a business man. :/ So I dunno.
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I don't know. For some reason I don't think this CD has been promoted enough. I mean I know she's been doing a lot of things, but I haven't even heard it on the radio once yet!
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I don't know. For some reason I don't think this CD has been promoted enough. I mean I know she's been doing a lot of things, but I haven't even heard it on the radio once yet!
It's getting some airplay here. So far I've heard it three times.
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I dunno, I just have doubts about Irv continuing to pump money into Vanessa if he doesn't start seeing a return on his investments eventually at some point down the line. I mean, we know that Irv loves Vanessa and her music, but he's still a business man. :/ So I dunno.
I disagree. The level of passion that he has for Vanessa and her music surpasses that of anyone she's worked with before. Also, it's been said that the promotion for this album is a 2-year push, and Irv said that he wasn't pressuring her into immediate success.
I have faith in this guy; Vanessa's smart and she seems to really love working with him. He's her "ganesh," remember? :)
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I dunno, I just have doubts about Irv continuing to pump money into Vanessa if he doesn't start seeing a return on his investments eventually at some point down the line. I mean, we know that Irv loves Vanessa and her music, but he's still a business man. :/ So I dunno.
I feel the opposite way as far as Irv. Yes he is a businessman, but at the same time he bought really low on V, so he has no real reason to give up on her quickly. The people he will really push to get hits right away are Ja and Lloyd probably. I think the label and co. will do this thing right and V will see the benefits of it in 2008 if not sooner.
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I dunno, I just have doubts about Irv continuing to pump money into Vanessa if he doesn't start seeing a return on his investments eventually at some point down the line. I mean, we know that Irv loves Vanessa and her music, but he's still a business man. :/ So I dunno.
I do agree with u...
it's like we say here in Braz
AMIGOS, AMIGOS.. NEGOCIOS APARTE
( Friends, friends, business separeted
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IMO there is a mad rush to judgment on the part of some here. VC and Irv are not opening a movie; it's an album. It doesn't have to be a scorcher right out of the box. Joe Public has no idea who she is, or forgot, save for ATM/OD.
If VC were a football team, this would be the "rebuilding" season. It will take some time, and maybe even another album, to get her back up there. There's still so much to be said and done for this album.
I would say I'm concerned that there is zero New York radio play for NF, though.
Dan/NS
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She's #8 on Billboard's Digital albums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=Top+Digital+Albums
here's the advertisment that is on billboard and i believe it was on another chart site as well
(http://mri.atdmt.com/b/AAAVEAPPLITC/iTunes_VanessaCarlton_160x600_100807.jpg)
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She's #8 on Billboard's Digital albums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=Top+Digital+Albums
here's the advertisment that is on billboard and i believe it was on another chart site as well
(http://mri.atdmt.com/b/AAAVEAPPLITC/iTunes_VanessaCarlton_160x600_100807.jpg)
Yay!
OMG, I can never get enough of that picture!!
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AWESOME!!!
does that mean its one of the most downloaded??
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Yep. btw, I was busy yesterday studying for an exam and I forgot to tell you happy birthday but I didn't forget :D !
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Yep. btw, I was busy yesterday studying for an exam and I forgot to tell you happy birthday but I didn't forget :D !
awwww thanks Krys :D
you always remember ...i remeber last year you started a happy birthday thread for me on the o-Boards. :)
Thank you :)
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She's #8 on Billboard's Digital albums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=Top+Digital+Albums
here's the advertisment that is on billboard and i believe it was on another chart site as well
(http://mri.atdmt.com/b/AAAVEAPPLITC/iTunes_VanessaCarlton_160x600_100807.jpg)
Those are great news!
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Actually, I wonder if the Top 200 Albums list takes into account digital downloads? Because the album has been doing marvellously online - it was just 9 on iTunes earlier today. And a #8 on downloaded albums is absolutely glorious. Let's hope they're two different sales measurements - that could add 10,000 copies onto the sales count if they are.
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ya thats what i was wondering to, bec ause on iTunes tehre is a separate chart for digital downloads...
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ya thats what i was wondering to, bec ause on iTunes tehre is a separate chart for digital downloads...
I remembered your bday so you can't blame me for being late! :D I just haven't got to go on coz I got a letter home from school saying I didn't hand in my P.E assignment 8)
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i have to say i find it hard to believe she only sold 18,000 when the album was pretty much in the top 10 on itunes for the first week of release..
maybe they dont count them ?
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Vanessa is 92 on Amazon.fr (amazon's french)
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_ts_pg_4/171-3314971-0983428?ie=UTF8&pg=4
http://www.amazon.fr/Heroes-Thieves-Vanessa-Carlton/dp/B000VKJ6UY/ref=pd_ts_m_92/171-3314971-0983428?ie=UTF8&s=music
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i have to say i find it hard to believe she only sold 18,000 when the album was pretty much in the top 10 on itunes for the first week of release..
maybe they dont count them ?
That's correct, they don't count digital sales. All CD sales charts never take digital sales into configuration, it's always physical copies sold. So 18,000 isn't entirely accurate.
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Vanessa is 42 on Amazon.fr (amazon's french)
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/music/ref=pd_ts_pg_4/171-3314971-0983428?ie=UTF8&pg=4
http://www.amazon.fr/Heroes-Thieves-Vanessa-Carlton/dp/B000VKJ6UY/ref=pd_ts_m_92/171-3314971-0983428?ie=UTF8&s=music
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I'm impressed... I thought.. after IPOD, no one would buy albums.. and in a week... Vanessa sold 18,000 copies! and my thought goes like " Wow that's great.. " let's see how many copies we'll have until the end...
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i have to say i find it hard to believe she only sold 18,000 when the album was pretty much in the top 10 on itunes for the first week of release..
maybe they dont count them ?
That's what I was saying. I believe digital sales, such as on iTunes, might not be taken into account when they are creating the Billboard 200.
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I know we all want Vanessa to sell tons of records but I think "our" expectations as fans are not going to be met immediately. IF J-LO cannot sell over 60K in one week then how will Vanessa? I have to agree with Brian and we will have to trust that Irv will have a plan. You also have to understand that he is trying to fight for respect in the game again so he will have to push ALL his artists. As for promotion of the album maybe it could of been a little harder and radio play is dismal. I hate to say it but I don't think V's status will go back up until she has a hit similar to ATM or OD. Hopefully one of her songs this year will connect with a big movie and that will get her the single to make the album go GOLD or hopefully Platinum. I think we all agree that there is no actual "hit single" material on this album. The music is great but it is not the cheesy watered down music that the masses have been hypnotized to love over the years. I have my hopes in V and Irv.
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I know we all want Vanessa to sell tons of records but I think "our" expectations as fans are not going to be met immediately. IF J-LO cannot sell over 60K in one week then how will Vanessa? I have to agree with Brian and we will have to trust that Irv will have a plan. You also have to understand that he is trying to fight for respect in the game again so he will have to push ALL his artists. As for promotion of the album maybe it could of been a little harder and radio play is dismal. I hate to say it but I don't think V's status will go back up until she has a hit similar to ATM or OD. Hopefully one of her songs this year will connect with a big movie and that will get her the single to make the album go GOLD or hopefully Platinum. I think we all agree that there is no actual "hit single" material on this album. The music is great but it is not the cheesy watered down music that the masses have been hypnotized to love over the years. I have my hopes in V and Irv.
Maybe Irv can get one of Vanessa's songs onto a commercial, such as an Ipod or electronic commercial. It worked with Feist, so why not Vanessa?...but what song to choose....
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I know we all want Vanessa to sell tons of records but I think "our" expectations as fans are not going to be met immediately. IF J-LO cannot sell over 60K in one week then how will Vanessa? I have to agree with Brian and we will have to trust that Irv will have a plan. You also have to understand that he is trying to fight for respect in the game again so he will have to push ALL his artists. As for promotion of the album maybe it could of been a little harder and radio play is dismal. I hate to say it but I don't think V's status will go back up until she has a hit similar to ATM or OD. Hopefully one of her songs this year will connect with a big movie and that will get her the single to make the album go GOLD or hopefully Platinum. I think we all agree that there is no actual "hit single" material on this album. The music is great but it is not the cheesy watered down music that the masses have been hypnotized to love over the years. I have my hopes in V and Irv.
Maybe Irv can get one of Vanessa's songs onto a commercial, such as an Ipod or electronic commercial. It worked with Feist, so why not Vanessa?...but what song to choose....
Hands On Me!
or Heroes & Thieves. That song seems to be appealing to the masses.
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Hands on Me would be great for an iPod touch commercial. Get it? ... and if you don't believe me, just put your hands on me... haha... ok, lame. But I can totally see it.
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i think if there's a "hit" on this album, it's heroes & theives. that song has a killer piano riff and i think it would catch on quick if it was released as a single.
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Hands on Me would be great for an iPod touch commercial. Get it? ... and if you don't believe me, just put your hands on me... haha... ok, lame. But I can totally see it.
Ooh nice!
Who wants to contact Apple, now?
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I know we all want Vanessa to sell tons of records but I think "our" expectations as fans are not going to be met immediately. IF J-LO cannot sell over 60K in one week then how will Vanessa? I have to agree with Brian and we will have to trust that Irv will have a plan. You also have to understand that he is trying to fight for respect in the game again so he will have to push ALL his artists. As for promotion of the album maybe it could of been a little harder and radio play is dismal. I hate to say it but I don't think V's status will go back up until she has a hit similar to ATM or OD. Hopefully one of her songs this year will connect with a big movie and that will get her the single to make the album go GOLD or hopefully Platinum. I think we all agree that there is no actual "hit single" material on this album. The music is great but it is not the cheesy watered down music that the masses have been hypnotized to love over the years. I have my hopes in V and Irv.
I pretty much agree with you. This is pretty much my position except I think she could go big with this even without a movie connection. The promotion is fine, but maybe a little late as there was no pre-release promotion. I still think Home is the single everyone will be able to connect with on a large scale no matter where their home happens to be. If anything this album will give her some much needed identity and build a bigger fan base. So is my humble opinion.
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My goodness an Apple commercial would be huge. It really did work with Feist and many other artists that were played. As corny as it is "Hands on me" would work for IPOD Touch and IPhone.....
Well lets see what happens. I do like Heroes and Thieves the best...
It reminds me of her old material. It seems to be very similar to Ordinary Day on composition and sound.
Danny
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I pretty much agree with you. This is pretty much my position except I think she could go big with this even without a movie connection. The promotion is fine, but maybe a little late as there was no pre-release promotion. I still think Home is the single everyone will be able to connect with on a large scale no matter where their home happens to be. If anything this album will give her some much needed identity and build a bigger fan base. So is my humble opinion.
I have to agree with you that Home is THE single that will make the biggest splash...I think that song will be the biggest hit. I can see Hands On Me, Spring Street, Come Undone, The One and even My Best doing well. I don't think the album is hit-less.....I think it's more a matter of getting the songs out there to begin with. I do have faith that Irv has a plan behind all this.
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My goodness an Apple commercial would be huge. It really did work with Feist and many other artists that were played. As corny as it is "Hands on me" would work for IPOD Touch and IPhone.....
Well lets see what happens. I do like Heroes and Thieves the best...
It reminds me of her old material. It seems to be very similar to Ordinary Day on composition and sound.
Danny
Irv could probably work something out. BTW, I was just listening to HOM and is it me or does she switch from "and all the constellations shine down on you and me" when she did it live, to "and all the constellations shine down for us to see" on the album version...I'll have to listen to it again....Also, I hear in the chorus a female operatic voice behind Nessa's; Just noticed it.
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Irv could probably work something out. BTW, I was just listening to HOM and is it me or does she switch from "and all the constellations shine down on you and me" when she did it live, to "and all the constellations shine down for us to see" on the album version...I'll have to listen to it again....Also, I hear in the chorus a female operatic voice behind Nessa's; Just noticed it.
Lol, she changed it that way for about a year now. Where you been? :lol:
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Irv could probably work something out. BTW, I was just listening to HOM and is it me or does she switch from "and all the constellations shine down on you and me" when she did it live, to "and all the constellations shine down for us to see" on the album version...I'll have to listen to it again....Also, I hear in the chorus a female operatic voice behind Nessa's; Just noticed it.
Lol, she changed it that way for about a year now. Where you been? :lol:
asleep, apparently. I never noticed until today. :)
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it looks like it isn't in the top 50 this week of the top 200....
http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi
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ooo J-LO dropped from 11 to 40.lol
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well she seems to be doing well with digital sales...last week she was #8 on billboard digital sales...and now she is #99 on Amazon.com for digital albums.
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Yup.
Second single please. NOW.
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dropped to #96 on Billboard 200.
:(
We must get the video to #1 on VH1 and top ten on TRL to get more attention for her! (even though TRL has changed to the most sucked-format ever)
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On the other hand, the album is still being heavily promoted on Billboard. Her face is on the Billboard front page now and on other pages of the website as well.
#34 on iTunes...
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Yup.
Second single please. NOW.
Yes, like this instant!
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Here is the official 2nd week info:
UNIVERSAL MUSIC
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44, 96,, "CARLTON*VANESSA","HEROES & THIEVES",
This Week Sales: 8116
% Drop: -55
Last Week Sales: 18,199
Total Sales So Far: 26,345
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oooo this isnt too good!!!! we need this single now...
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Really not good. Does anyone know if Billboard includes digital sales? My guess is no since she is doing so well with digital downloads. I don't think that is really fair....they should count equally if someone buys the whole album digitally.
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I thought it DID include digital sales.. this is just strange.
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Really not good. Does anyone know if Billboard includes digital sales? My guess is no since she is doing so well with digital downloads. I don't think that is really fair....they should count equally if someone buys the whole album digitally.
ya i dont think they do either...since she appears to be doing so well with digital sales...
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A few months ago I realized Vanessa was in the top 100 of Pop Artists in myspace and she was the 69th , and now she is No. 27
http://topartists.myspace.com/index.cfm?Mytoken=C2785170-BD05-4355-893D7D9704F200478973948&fuseaction=music.topBands&page=2&GenreID=28&Country=US&state=&zip=&distance=0&localType=state&xargstringp=&xargstringn=&lastpagesent=3
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ooo awesome :D :D
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Really not good. Does anyone know if Billboard includes digital sales? My guess is no since she is doing so well with digital downloads. I don't think that is really fair....they should count equally if someone buys the whole album digitally.
ya i dont think they do either...since she appears to be doing so well with digital sales...
iTunes sales are included, but that is when users download the whole album, not just pick out some songs.
96 CARLTON*VANESSA HEROES & THIEVES 8,116 -55 18,199 26,345
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Really not good. Does anyone know if Billboard includes digital sales? My guess is no since she is doing so well with digital downloads. I don't think that is really fair....they should count equally if someone buys the whole album digitally.
ya i dont think they do either...since she appears to be doing so well with digital sales...
iTunes sales are included, but that is when users download the whole album, not just pick out some songs.
96 CARLTON*VANESSA HEROES & THIEVES 8,116 -55 18,199 26,345
Yeah that was it. Seems logical that downloading the album in full, adds to sales instead of just downloading a couple songs.
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billboard.com= position 96 peak 44 wks 2
album:the billboard 200
single:hot adult top 40 tracks+11/3/07 = position 30 peak 30 8wks
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so i guess NF isnt really moving on AC...
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I don't think dissapointing sales got anything to do with promotion, I think people just don't really connect with her style. Doesn't mean people don't like good music, it's just like with Latin music. Latin music is pretty good and popular to a certain number of people in the U.S. but it's not mainstream and there is usually more support in other countries. But unlike Latin artists who originate in Mexico, Vanessa is based in the US and promoters/record labels won't really care about sales in other countries (Vanessa did pretty good in Japan and Taiwan.)
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She's #27 on Billboard's Hot 100 Adult Airplay. But unfortunately, #160 on the Billboard 200. What it seems is happening is that the more internet-savvy listeners are buying her album. This could also mean that more people are illegally downloading it? I don't really know. I hope sales improve though... it's so confusing when she's doing so well in other areas. Especially because this is her most acclaimed album.
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God, she's falling too fast.
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^^^ Like a rock, but that isn't surprising considering Nolita Fairytale's mediocre performance on Hot AC and its non-appearance on Top40 radio as of yet. If NF picks up on Top40 radio and/or Hot AC then sales will improve vastly. I'm not quite sure about Gotti's promotional plan for this album but I'd be extremely disappointed if he let the album drop off here...
On the bright side there have been a few articles stating about a supposed "two-year push" for this album and that gives me a lot of optimism for this album to work it's way up the charts. Hopefully NF will be picked up by Top40 radio but if that doesn't happen then I hope there will be a big push for the second single. We'll just have to do our best to promote the album- VH1, MTV, Requesting, etc. - and hope that The Inc pushes this album hard. I'm hopeful! :)
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11/10/07 position this wk 97-last week 44 2wks----wks on chart 2-peak position 44..single:hot adult top 40 tracks 11/10/07=27 peak 27 wks -9.
does anyone know how many copies h&t has sold?
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She's already down to #160. I hope the album "maybe will catch fire in its 20th week" like Ivr said
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Very bad!! I'm so sorry
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Wow! Firstly! That's too bad as I said above...
The only way out is " taking off her clothes and singing promiscuously ".. That's the way that in a country like the USA where people make a song called " Umbrella " be number One!!
So, if she doesn't play their games.. She'll not reach what she's been trying to get...
Americans enjoy DANCE, TRANCE, HIP HOP, FERGIE music.. Ness is not able and CAN'T be able to do this kind of music... yeah, that's what they call...
Second: She can keep being this great artist where she's not famous.. just for some.. like us...
Third: Move to Europe.. and make your life there! Folks there like good music.. They don't live off " I-love-your-ass music "... Ness would do great there!!
:wink:
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Americans enjoy DANCE, TRANCE, HIP HOP, FERGIE music.. Ness is not able and CAN'T be able to do this kind of music... yeah, that's what they call...
Disagree. Americans love ATM. "Bubbly" is also rising on the chart. And they are not those types of music you mentioned.
Second: She can keep being this great artist where she's not famous.. just for some.. like us...
Agree somehow. I love the fact that I seem to be the only one in my school know Vanessa, I feel special, haha. Still, I wish she would have better sales.
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Americans enjoy DANCE, TRANCE, HIP HOP, FERGIE music.. Ness is not able and CAN'T be able to do this kind of music... yeah, that's what they call...
Disagree. Americans love ATM. "Bubbly" is also rising on the chart. And they are not those types of music you mentioned.
Second: She can keep being this great artist where she's not famous.. just for some.. like us...
Agree somehow. I love the fact that I seem to be the only one in my school know Vanessa, I feel special, haha. Still, I wish she would have better sales.
Well, Firstly, I disagree with you
Okay, not all Americans like the styles I said.. but most of them do.
How can a song called " Umbrella " be Number 01?
See it
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100
This TOP10
Only COLBIE has a no-sexy-genre
The rest are from the style I said...
Second:
Yeah, you like the fact you're the only one to know about Vanessa.. but do you think Vanessa likes this fact?
Don't you think that she wishes she could have sold more, be more known around the world?
I think she does...
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Americans enjoy DANCE, TRANCE, HIP HOP, FERGIE music.. Ness is not able and CAN'T be able to do this kind of music... yeah, that's what they call...
Disagree. Americans love ATM. "Bubbly" is also rising on the chart. And they are not those types of music you mentioned.
Second: She can keep being this great artist where she's not famous.. just for some.. like us...
Agree somehow. I love the fact that I seem to be the only one in my school know Vanessa, I feel special, haha. Still, I wish she would have better sales.
How can a song called " Umbrella " be Number 01?
See it
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100
Well, i like Umbrella not because of it's, as you call "sexy" sound that Rihanna uses. the message and the lyrics are what's important to me in that song. if you've heard of the scott simons version of this, you'll be blown away by how beautiful it really is, just by eliminating all the extra little glitz and glamour of the song.
http://www.scottsimonsmusic.net/umbrella.html
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I really wish the album would catch fire later on; however, realistically I don't think this album is the one that will put Vanessa back in the top 10. Hopefully the next one will.
I think she should try and reach for more foreign markets where her music would fit in with their style more. She did very well In Southeast Asia with Harmonium, like #3 well. She did well in European countries too.
Does the INC. have a branch in other countries? It may be a smart move to sell Vanessa over there but also keep her advertised in the U.S.
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Crisb, totally Agree
Def.. America is not the right place for Vanessa Music
Just like Natalie's music.. She's not famous in Australia where she is from.. she made a big big success in the UK
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She was at #160 with sales of 4,800.
:cry:
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Crisb, totally Agree
Def.. America is not the right place for Vanessa Music
Just like Natalie's music.. She's not famous in Australia where she is from.. she made a big big success in the UK
It's not so much that America is the wrong place for Vanessa's music, it's that America is huge compared to the UK and it's a lot harder to make a dent in the music scene here than it is in the UK.
It's a lot easier to do well in the UK only because it's much much much smaller, artists that do well in the UK and Europe sometimes almost do as well here in the States, but those numbers still won't help them in the States since our industry is so much bigger.
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so what's the latest sales number? 26,345?
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ya does ayone know what this weeks sales were??
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Based on watching the charts for so many years, she'll probably sell 2000-3000, but I should have official numbers soon.
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Oh no!
Well, Next week, Heroes and Thieves will be released in Brazil.. probably in all latin America... let's wait it and see if it gets far.. cos, Vanessa has many fans here...
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"Heroes and Thieves" has fallen out of the Billboard 200.
The #200 album "DISNEY KARAOKE SERIES HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 2" sold 3,971.
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Eeeesh, that sucks. Poor Vanessa, her new album did worse than her last one that had zero promotion. I think it's safe to call the album a flop, as sad as it is to say. I wouldn't have thought it would have fallen this fast, I figured it'd linger in the 100s. Oh well, hopefully her next CD will do better but she needs to really broaden her horizons if she ever wants the same success as Be Not Nobody.
Sad thing is, since the album just came out it really won't garner anymore sales since it won't even be on the charts anymore. Since the CD is so new and it did so poorly, will there even be a next CD? I don't want to be pessimistic at all, I love VC but the music industry is a very harsh scene and I'm being realistic.
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No, don't count her out just yet. Pink had "Stupid Girls" which did well for a few weeks, and the album "I'm Not Dead" fell pretty quickly just like Heroes and Thieves has, but after some rebounding singles the album came back to sell over a million so far. There's still hope, they just have to make the right 2nd single choice and do at least some promotion for it (Spring Street).
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Guess that's true but the next single is gonna need to be something REALLY impactful to make a dent in poor sales. Like I said, hopefully she won't just do music and try some other things like modeling. She needs to show up on TRL some more, an interview on VH1 and some good promotion in Rolling Stones magazine would really help.
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Hands on me. i swear that will recover her.
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Hands on me. i swear that will recover her.
That's what I think too.
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Hands on me. i swear that will recover her.
That's what I think too.
I think something a little more mainstream would help her more, while Hands on Me is a great song, it seems less impactful than Nolita Fairytale (which was great.) I guess the single I would suggest would be maybe This Time but start it off with the stronger parts. Home would probably work too. Spring Street with a good video would definetely make a hit. Spring Street just seems like it'd appeal to adult contemporary listeners and also a good amount high school girls.
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I know I have said this before but all of my friends love HOM. They always want me to play it in the car, and it's even some of my friend's ringtones. It will be a hit.
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Yes HOM will be the hit! The problem with NF was, it lacked a chorus. If it had a chorus, I just know it would've done better. It's rarely that non chorus songs, even become hits you know. A chorus, is an essential part of a song. It's the hook in most cases.
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Slow ballads usually do well during the Christmas season, so This Time might actually be a good choice for a second single.
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Yes, Hand On Me has to be te second single... If it's not, it will be a big mistake. Yeah ok maybe the second single will be Spring Street or This Time, but it definitely mustn't be Home ! I love the song but it's so not radio-friendly.
Vanessa release Hands On Me. It will be your new "A Thousand Miles" :)
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I do not think that Hands on Me would do well.. I'm so much more THIS TIME...
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"Hands On Me" would be the best choice, I think.
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I do not think that Hands on Me would do well.. I'm so much more THIS TIME...
I LOVE THIS TIME, but I am not sure how well it would do as a single, it's not my choice!
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If it was up to us there wouldn't be a second single because everyone here thinks they know better than everyone else. Heh.
Is it just me or does it seem that every single poster from Brazil uses babel fish in order to make posts here? :?
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HOM bettter be the next single :DD :D
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Wasn't it confirmed that HOM might be the second single? They need to hurry up though. Shoot the video soon. It will blow up imo!
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Wasn't it confirmed that HOM might be the second single? They need to hurry up though. Shoot the video soon. It will blow up imo!
well not officially confirmed...but a source of mine said that it is. :)
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heres a quote from an interview irv gave...
What about with Vanessa Carlton being signed to Murder Inc.? People don't see the connection. (Laughs) It's all good. They'll see it over the course of time. They'll see that we're both music people and that basically the approach that we're taking with Vanessa's album is... This is the first album that I don't have any pressures on the first week of her release. The whole thing with albums like that – when you look at Corinne Bailey Rae, Amy Winehouse, Nickelback – all of these albums are albums that you could work for like 18 months or 24 months and that's what I wanted to do and create with Vanessa. It's funny to me. It's the first time where maybe in the 20th week of her release, we'll catch fire. (Laughs) Like, you don't get that in hip hop! You don't get that in R&B! (Laughs) But this is something I can get. She's a singer-songwriter like you wouldn't believe.
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Awesome!
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That's great to hear from Irv. :D
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Yup, that's great to hear but.. I don't know.... I'll do my best to believe in him..
8)
Hey, Anyone knows about Heroes and Thieves in Japan?
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Go Irv!
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Does anyone have news about how many albums she sold so far ??
I'm worried... I want her to reach 500'000 but platinium will be great. She deserves it
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Does anyone have news about how many albums she sold so far ??
I'm worried... I want her to reach 500'000 but platinium will be great. She deserves it
Not even 50,000 copies I don't think. :(
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She's absent again from the Billboard 200 this week.
The number 200 album sold 4,141 copies, which obviously means she sold less than that.
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Americans enjoy DANCE, TRANCE, HIP HOP, FERGIE music.. Ness is not able and CAN'T be able to do this kind of music... yeah, that's what they call...
Disagree. Americans love ATM. "Bubbly" is also rising on the chart. And they are not those types of music you mentioned.
Second: She can keep being this great artist where she's not famous.. just for some.. like us...
Agree somehow. I love the fact that I seem to be the only one in my school know Vanessa, I feel special, haha. Still, I wish she would have better sales.
How can a song called " Umbrella " be Number 01?
See it
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100
Well, i like Umbrella not because of it's, as you call "sexy" sound that Rihanna uses. the message and the lyrics are what's important to me in that song. if you've heard of the scott simons version of this, you'll be blown away by how beautiful it really is, just by eliminating all the extra little glitz and glamour of the song.
http://www.scottsimonsmusic.net/umbrella.html
Oh my god, thank you for posting that link. It's absolutely amazing.
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ya that is AMAZING....can someone can upload the mp3 for that??
now i want piano music for that song....
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ya that is really good...can someone can upload the mp3 for that??
now i want piano music for that song....
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exactly what i predicted. the album is a total flop. sloppy and truthfully not very refined songwriting is not going to make this album better than the one before.........promotion hasn't been that great and the music is downright bad
ergo.... f-l-o-p
Nolita fairytale is the most accessible out of all her songs on the album and I don't see how any other song can make a raise the album from the dead.... there will have to be some sort of special circumstance such as a tie-in with a movie or tv show to really propel her song back into the charts. Otherwise....... vc is pretty much dead to the mainstream industry....I am not counting on a major label album next time.
to be honest, vanessa's is not that interesting anymore when she's a happy person...the drama and melancholy and drive is gone.
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exactly what i predicted. the album is a total flop. sloppy and truthfully not very refined songwriting is not going to make this album better than the one before.........promotion hasn't been that great and the music
ergo.... f-l-o-p
Nolita fairytale is the most accessible out of all her songs on the album and I don't see how any other song can make a raise the album from the dead.... there will have to be some sort of special circumstance such as a tie-in with a movie or tv show to really propel her song back into the charts. Otherwise....... vc is pretty much dead to the mainstream industry....I am not counting on a major label album next time.
Stfu, don't you have better things to do like worry about China invading your little island.
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LMAO, people really need to stop practicly forcing/demanding Vanessa to become a depressed person, to make "great " music! It's hilarious to tell you the truth.
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ya that is AMAZING....can someone can upload the mp3 for that??
now i want piano music for that song....
http://www.mediafire.com/?fxfyz1smged
Scott Simons also posted all the chord progressions...
(http://www.scottsimonsmusic.net/misc/umbrella_chords.jpg)
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exactly what i predicted. the album is a total flop. sloppy and truthfully not very refined songwriting is not going to make this album better than the one before.........promotion hasn't been that great and the music is downright bad
ergo.... f-l-o-p
Nolita fairytale is the most accessible out of all her songs on the album and I don't see how any other song can make a raise the album from the dead.... there will have to be some sort of special circumstance such as a tie-in with a movie or tv show to really propel her song back into the charts. Otherwise....... vc is pretty much dead to the mainstream industry....I am not counting on a major label album next time.
to be honest, vanessa's is not that interesting anymore when she's a happy person...the drama and melancholy and drive is gone.
Not to be rude but... why are you still on here and posting?
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exactly what i predicted. the album is a total flop. sloppy and truthfully not very refined songwriting is not going to make this album better than the one before.........promotion hasn't been that great and the music is downright bad
ergo.... f-l-o-p
Nolita fairytale is the most accessible out of all her songs on the album and I don't see how any other song can make a raise the album from the dead.... there will have to be some sort of special circumstance such as a tie-in with a movie or tv show to really propel her song back into the charts. Otherwise....... vc is pretty much dead to the mainstream industry....I am not counting on a major label album next time.
to be honest, vanessa's is not that interesting anymore when she's a happy person...the drama and melancholy and drive is gone.
I completley disagree with you for the most part.
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I also disagree with jsbachsonata
Her glory is to come...