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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: PianoPlayer12 on October 18, 2007, 03:22:56 pm
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hey someone i talk to who is involved with Vanessa just told me that the second single is Hands on Me. i havent gotten conformation that it is FOR SURE HOM but they sounded pretty definate.
after they told me here is what they said:
keep the focus on nolita
get it poppin at top 40
request on trl
etc.
focus on this single getting it way out there.
so it sounds like they arent going to rush with getting the enw single out...
:D
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Smart move. I'm glad they chose "Hands On Me".
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yes im very glad to. after they told me, they said:
cha-ching
LOL
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Even though my vote is still for "Home", HOM would be a great single choice. :)
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I can't wait. I think HOM with do better than Nolita personally. Memorable choruses make for more catchy songs and that's what the public wants. Something so they can say "Do you know that song... uhh it goes like.." etc..
Nolita, I think was a mediocre song for Vanessa to begin with. I don't think it's the same V as we usually see. But whatever, to each his own.
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I'm no expert at choosing hit singles, but imo I don't think they should release Hands on Me. Maybe it's just because I don't like how the studio version turned out. I think they should release Come Undone.
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All of my friends LOVE HOM. This is a good choice.
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they could still release Home as the 3rd single.
if i remember correctly before throwing the wrapping away, Nolita, Hands on Me, and Home were all listed on the little "included" sticker...so i figure that those were the single choices.
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the sticker on the wrapper said nolita fairytale, the one, and home. i know because i ripped it off and stuck it on the case so i'd have it forever haha.
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haha, oh...i knew home and nolita...wasnt sure about hands on me
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i love hanson
haha.
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cool.
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Sweet. HoM is awesome!
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hey did you go to MONA?
cool.
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Hmmm I don't think HOM is the best choice but well shall see...
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i think it should be Come Undone... minus the intro, of course...
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Come Undone minus the intro and piano outro is only really 2 minutes long, unless she adds another chorus or verse, it's gonna be very short.
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Fuck yeah, it's an obvious single choice. It has a strong chorus, and gets in your head. And the choir at the end, will touch some people.
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HOM is an amazing song... especially the violins... (during the subway part...)... and the lyrics are very strong... (the bridge screams epical...)
And lets not forget the Dalai Lama line will definitely get this song a bit "out there"
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It's also kinda dark and moody, and with the upcoming winter months, it will have a melachonic touch. I think it's gonna have a lot of success.
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YES!!! That is what I've been praying for. Hands on Me has never been one of my favorite songs of hers, but god, it will make a fabulous single. Yeah, the lyrics suck, but the melody is so strong and catchy, radio will definitely be playing it and people will be singing along.
Yay for Hands on Me as the second single! My friend Katey will be happy; she loves that song. (She's not a Nessaholic, but she still likes V)
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I don't think the lyrics suck, they're clever. It's honest and random haha.
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ah, i LOOOVEEE that song. i would be ecstatic if it was the second single.
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Thank god Hands On Me is the next single. Everyone who I've made listen to the album instantly take to that song.
And why is everyone harping on Come Undone? That'd be a bad single.
The first minute is the intro, the next two minutes is her singing, and after that is just the outro. There's only two minutes of singing in the entire goddamn song, it's format doesn't allow it to be a good single, even if you cut the intro out she's only singing for 2 minutes and playing piano for another 2 minutes.
Bad idea.
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I'm happy Hands On Me is the next single! I think it will do well on radio!
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I'm no expert at choosing hit singles, but imo I don't think they should release Hands on Me. Maybe it's just because I don't like how the studio version turned out. I think they should release Come Undone.
Bingo. That's my opinion. I agree.
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I understand that Come Undone has a long intro. They don't have to take it out completely, just shorten it. And the outro can be shortened a little bit too just to equal everything out. I don't think it's such a bad idea.
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Yea go HOM (:
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My 2 cents: "Hands On Me" is the right choice, even though the lyrics have some odd moments. Personally, "Come Undone" is one of my least favorites on the album. I like it, but there's a few things about it that bother me...and I don't think it would make a good single.
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I'm just glad we are talking about a second single. Whop whop go Carlton!
Hope everything goes well with her career.
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I'm no expert at choosing hit singles, but imo I don't think they should release Hands on Me. Maybe it's just because I don't like how the studio version turned out. I think they should release Come Undone.
i think it should be Come Undone... minus the intro, of course...
HoM is a not a good idea, IMHO. Vanessa got WAY too much attention for White Houses being all about sex... and that's exactly what going to happen with HoM as well. Granted, that's a very narrow view of the song but it's what's likely to happen. Plus, I just don't see HoM appealing to the general radio audience much like White Houses. Both are catchy songs just not radio-y. :) Deciding what song should be a single isn't so much about which song one "likes" the best but which song will appeal to the largest audience. Who's To Say should have been the first single from Harmonim, for example.
I'm gonna jump on the Come Undone bandwagon here. The first time I heard Come Undone, I literally froze and thought "SINGLE!" If you cut out the intro and the ending, it's 2:23... which IS a little short. I wonder if she could add to it? If not Come Undone, my vote is for Fools Like Me or possibly My Best. More Than This is one of those amazing songs (like Twilight) that I wish more people could hear but it's just not radio single material. Perhaps Home could be a single later on if she continues to have success with other songs?
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^^^ I think that HOM does appeal to a large audience and that it will get radio play. I think it is exactly the type of song that V should release as her next single, more so than Come Undone...at least in regards to the second single.
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ya i really dont think come undone would be a good single...imo.
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Hands on Me is the safest choice, by far. I'm happy. Ditto the comments on it being a bit dark and fitting the upcoming winter months.
I much prefer Come Undone, but I have always wanted it to be a third single, if she gets that far. Hopefully. :D
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Meh, I don't think HOM would be a wise choice. As much as I love it, it's not really radio-friendly.
I think Spring Street or Come Undone would be better: Spring Street because it's catchy (the na-na-na part) and Come Undone because it's kinda upbeat and has a great piano riff.
My 2 cents...
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I think "The One" would be the best choice cause there's Stevie on it and A LOT of people do like her.
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Meh, I don't think HOM would be a wise choice. As much as I love it, it's not really radio-friendly.
I think Spring Street or Come Undone would be better: Spring Street because it's catchy (the na-na-na part) and Come Undone because it's kinda upbeat and has a great piano riff.
My 2 cents...
Spring Street? Are you out of your mind?
Well she might as well just go ahead and release My Best and sink the CD already.
It's not about what WE like. It's about what's good for the CD. And HOM is definitely catchier than Spring Street. And Come Undone needs a radio edit if it's ever released as a single because its current album format is SO not radio-friendly.
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Spring Street is very catchy. Anyone who says different probably hasn't heard it. I would venture to say it's catchier than Hands on Me; Hands on Me is just gorgeous though.
They are all fantastic songs, but Hands on Me feels right. Irv wanted to release it first, right? That might have something to do with this too.
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i don't even like spring street but i think it would make a good single, too. i can just hear it on the radio, i guess. but i would turn it off... :oops:
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i don't even like spring street but i think it would make a good single, too. i can just hear it on the radio, i guess. but i would turn it off... :oops:
hahaha. ya i agree...im not a very big fan of it..but i could DEF. hear it on the radio.
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I think that HOM is perfect, because it's upbeat and extremely catchy! Spring Street I think would maybe suffice as a FOURTH single? I think The One would be a likely candidate for third single. It seems like when it comes to releasing singles from a CD, they choose 1. upbeat, 2. upbeat, 3. slower/balladish, 4. somewhere in the middle, and after four, if an artist makes it that far, it's pretty much a free-for-all.
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I think that HOM is perfect, because it's upbeat and extremely catchy! Spring Street I think would maybe suffice as a FOURTH single? I think The One would be a likely candidate for third single. It seems like when it comes to releasing singles from a CD, they choose 1. upbeat, 2. upbeat, 3. slower/balladish, 4. somewhere in the middle, and after four, if an artist makes it that far, it's pretty much a free-for-all.
This seems the best. The One and Spring Street would get a lot of radio-play on adult stations and I can just see the video on VH1 now.
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Spring Street because it's catchy (the na-na-na part)
IT IS! It's been suck in my head
'na na na na na'
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i think My Best will do great as a single.. 8)
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i think My Best will do great as a single.. 8)
Maybe an extended version. Anything under 3:30 would be hard to hold a listener's attention.
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They should go with "Hands on Me" and release it to Pop and Hot AC.
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I'm no expert at choosing hit singles, but imo I don't think they should release Hands on Me. Maybe it's just because I don't like how the studio version turned out. I think they should release Come Undone.
i think it should be Come Undone... minus the intro, of course...
HoM is a not a good idea, IMHO. Vanessa got WAY too much attention for White Houses being all about sex... and that's exactly what going to happen with HoM as well. Granted, that's a very narrow view of the song but it's what's likely to happen. Plus, I just don't see HoM appealing to the general radio audience much like White Houses. Both are catchy songs just not radio-y. :) Deciding what song should be a single isn't so much about which song one "likes" the best but which song will appeal to the largest audience. Who's To Say should have been the first single from Harmonim, for example.
I'm gonna jump on the Come Undone bandwagon here. The first time I heard Come Undone, I literally froze and thought "SINGLE!" If you cut out the intro and the ending, it's 2:23... which IS a little short. I wonder if she could add to it? If not Come Undone, my vote is for Fools Like Me or possibly My Best. More Than This is one of those amazing songs (like Twilight) that I wish more people could hear but it's just not radio single material. Perhaps Home could be a single later on if she continues to have success with other songs?
Come Undone would actually be a good single - I definitely agree that PYHOM would be too provocative. However, if we're looking for sales, I don't really see a clear single. The only one I would truthfully advise releasing would be Come Undone. Hands on Me is more catchy, I think. I dunno. It's unclear what she can do.
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i think My Best will do great as a single.. 8)
Maybe an extended version. Anything under 3:30 would be hard to hold a listener's attention.
Actually, studies show that the average human can only pay attention to music for 3 minutes, otherwise they tune out. That's why "radio edits" of songs are generally shorter than album versions.
I think whilst its not my favourite song on the album, Hands On Me would be a good second single. For a start its exactly 3 minutes, and it has a really catchy chorus which is singable and therefore more appealing to an audience. The hook of "Hands On Me" is a bit provocative as well, which I could so see radio stations introducting with a bit of humour..."Vanessa Carlton wants you to put your hands on her.."
I think My Best is a nice song, but the chorus isn't catchy enough or clear enough, so therefore the audience on first-listen would find it hard to like as it does not have clear repition of lyrics and music (ie a chorus). If things aren't repeated, then too many musical ideas hit the listener on the first listen and they can't connect with the song. Radio stations don't play songs unless they are going to keep a listener listening to their station. This same thing applys with "Come Undone" - chorus isn't defined enough in the song.
Hit song = catchy and defined chorus. This is one of the reasons I think nolita fairytale is struggling as it goes to the pre-chorus ("Take away my record deal..") yet the chorus is one line ("I've found some kind of fairytale") and then it goes back to the verse. Repetition is necessary to sustain interest in a listener that isn't aware of the talent V possesses.
In summary, HANDS ON ME :D
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i think My Best will do great as a single.. 8)
Maybe an extended version. Anything under 3:30 would be hard to hold a listener's attention.
Actually, studies show that the average human can only pay attention to music for 3 minutes, otherwise they tune out. That's why "radio edits" of songs are generally shorter than album versions.
I think whilst its not my favourite song on the album, Hands On Me would be a good second single. For a start its exactly 3 minutes, and it has a really catchy chorus which is singable and therefore more appealing to an audience. The hook of "Hands On Me" is a bit provocative as well, which I could so see radio stations introducting with a bit of humour..."Vanessa Carlton wants you to put your hands on her.."
I think My Best is a nice song, but the chorus isn't catchy enough or clear enough, so therefore the audience on first-listen would find it hard to like as it does not have clear repition of lyrics and music (ie a chorus). If things aren't repeated, then too many musical ideas hit the listener on the first listen and they can't connect with the song. Radio stations don't play songs unless they are going to keep a listener listening to their station. This same thing applys with "Come Undone" - chorus isn't defined enough in the song.
Hit song = catchy and defined chorus. This is one of the reasons I think nolita fairytale is struggling as it goes to the pre-chorus ("Take away my record deal..") yet the chorus is one line ("I've found some kind of fairytale") and then it goes back to the verse. Repetition is necessary to sustain interest in a listener that isn't aware of the talent V possesses.
In summary, HANDS ON ME :D
NF has a attentive opening with the drum.
I love to see Spring Street as the 3rd single. I'm obsessed with all the "Nah-Nah-Nah"
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I think Spring Steet would be a hit, because of the coming of age thing, it's very popular (think of five for fighting, 100 years?)
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and after all these discussions, If vanessa isn't allowed to release another single, I'm gonna kill Irv.
Just kidding. I hope H&T won't meet the same fate as Harmonium. I remember the old forum was excited guessing the second single :([/b]
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HOM is the best choice!!! I am so glad that is probably the next single. This will make it or break it. It is the most logical choice for a single just as you all said - catchy, great lyrics, etc. I can see people singing it.
Am I the only one who can't stand Come Undone? She is off key when she sings “ahhh” and it aggravates me like nails on a chalk board. If she wasn't off key I would definately enjoy the song. Please - no releasing of off key songs as singles!
And spring street - I didn't like it very much the first time I heard it but once I got the lyrics sheet, I really like it. But is definitely not single material. No way. It's not catchy - it's too slow for that. The nah-nahs are annoying and not unique enough for it to be the chorus you want people singing in the store.
I think Home and The One are great next choices for singles, after HOM. Great choices V!!! I know this will get her back on the radio!
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its better not Home...
i know its a hit but its getting boring when you listen more to it...
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its better not Home...
i know its a hit but its getting boring when you listen more to it...
8O 8O 8O 8O
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its better not Home...
i know its a hit but its getting boring when you listen more to it...
8O 8O 8O 8O
I second that 8O
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its better not Home...
i know its a hit but its getting boring when you listen more to it...
8O 8O 8O 8O
I second that 8O
8O thirded...
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its better not Home...
i know its a hit but its getting boring when you listen more to it...
8O 8O 8O 8O
I second that 8O
8O thirded...
8O fourthed......For me, it's a song, that gets better with every listen! :lol:
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I do not think home is a hit
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I do not think home is a hit
Neither do I.
It's a nice song, but should stay on the album.
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exactly.
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Yeah, "Home" is an album track.
I listened to HOM on the bus yesterday, and wow it's so peacefull listening to it. I head my Ipod quite loud, and people heard it and were like. That's a nice song, who's is it from. And I was like, Vanessa Carlton, check her out. lol
I LOVE HOM, the hidden undertones, with each listen, I hear something new. I just love layers, it's art.