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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: Bigtuna on January 30, 2008, 09:50:28 am
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In a really weird twist after she was getting piles of stations adding and jumping to a quick bullet over 100, she's down to ONLY +8.
48 47 VANESSA CARLTON Hands On Me 147 139 8 0.167
She's actually lost spins overnight (just 2), but that's a really, really bad sign.
I recommend you start cranking out the requests...because this song could be done before the video even surfaces.
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I dont think its at a stage of awareness where drops matter much, it's not growing yet because theres no real official push yet.
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if it goes from +100 to +8..that means it had 8 more spins that it did in the previous week.
wen u start to see...+100 to -12 or something then it drops
i work radio out in New Jersy..
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ahhh its only jus startingg....
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if it goes from +100 to +8..that means it had 8 more spins that it did in the previous week.
wen u start to see...+100 to -12 or something then it drops
i work radio out in New Jersy..
Yeah, but songs don't really continue well when they drop like that. It gained 100 last week, but this week only 8...that's a huge difference.
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ahhh its only jus startingg....
Well it's adds date has passed, that's the big deal, and that's part of what helped it take off so well....but now it's not holding it's steam.
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i think it will do much better after the release of the music video!
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if it goes from +100 to +8..that means it had 8 more spins that it did in the previous week.
wen u start to see...+100 to -12 or something then it drops
i work radio out in New Jersy..
Yeah, but songs don't really continue well when they drop like that. It gained 100 last week, but this week only 8...that's a huge difference.
The adds date is why it jumped so far so fast. Now its been for adds it should level off into more consistent growth, but hopefully more than 20 next week.,
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i'm praying that this is a hit for her.
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i think it will do much better after the release of the music video!
Yup, the vid will help the song to get more attention...anyway we should request it more..
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i do almost everyday, the phone answerers are getting annoyed, but im still gonna do it!
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I'm way too shy to do anything like that. Introverts like me really gotta work on not being so introverted.
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like i said..i work radio.
it jumped becaused of the add date, now it slows down, itll be up and down until the video comes out, and depending on what their plans are with the record, itll get a huge push...if it gets added to every video channel, radio stations will pick up on the record. Also we get calls from the lable and they tell us their plans with the record
so basically what im saying is..dont worry, i think this is one of thoose records that will pick up steem when the video comes out, then they will start going hard with it
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i kinda was nervous when i first requested, but i am an outgoing, fun person and just sucked it up and did it for Vanessa! You just have to out yourself out there, and try new things! :D
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Yeah, I know, I'm like only extroverted and stuff with my friends.
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Well if you can make a tutorial on youube, you can request a song! lol! theyre great as i have said before!
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Well if you can make a tutorial on youube, you can request a song! lol! theyre great as i have said before!
XD I guess you're right. You seem to be online right now, lol.
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i almost always am lol! I enjoy nessaholics and VC.com so much, its cool talking to people from all over the world
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Me as well. I just love message boards. But I digress.
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lets be honest, no one listens to the radio anymore anyway.
she's #1 on my iPod play count.
hahaha
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Mine too, shes practically all i listen to, but i do listen to the raido, not when im at home [well on my laptop sometimes bu they dont play songs i like] but when im in the car [no cd player :( its a 15 almost 16 year old suburban] i listen to it.
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One of the most important things she should do is promo! Talkshows again, make some stops at radiostations. Uhm, make the people self aware of her again.
Cause NF didn't really do it.. And HOM has huge potential to being a hit. So promo everywhere please.
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that is so true, my mom is always saying that! she's like that girl needs some promo, she should talk to her promotional director [or whatever its called]
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One of the most important things she should do is promo! Talkshows again, make some stops at radiostations. Uhm, make the people self aware of her again.
Cause NF didn't really do it.. And HOM has huge potential to being a hit. So promo everywhere please.
Agreed...V hitting the promo circuit will help immensely. Also the video coming out will help greatly too. We can still keep requesting guys till those things happen. :)
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They need to market her like she's a new artist.
Relying on "A Thousand Miles" to get her name out clearly isn't working. They should just forget all about that song & the success she had back then for now and treat her like she's a new artist who no one has heard of before.
Push her out everywhere - music video, radio, TV shows, magazine interviews, live performances, etc.
That's where I feel Irv is going wrong...
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They need to market her like she's a new artist.
Relying on "A Thousand Miles" to get her name out clearly isn't working. They should just forget all about that song & the success she had back then for now and treat her like she's a new artist who no one has heard of before.
Push her out everywhere - music video, radio, TV shows, magazine interviews, live performances, etc.
That's where I feel Irv is going wrong...
^^ I don't think they should rely on ATM to get her name out but they nelect to mention her previous music. If by treat her as a new artist you mean promo the hell out of HOM than I'm all for it. I hope that's where they are going with this second single. This is the make it or break it for H&T. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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They need to promote her SO hard. Every spot she gets, she should be on.
I agree, Irv isn't handeling that part well at all.
They could do lots of things, make her an opening act for a huge artist/band. That does a lot. Let's see.. what else? Uhm like I said before more talkshows, music channel appearences. Even Martha Stewarts show.
Just everywhere, to a point where people just have to notice her.
imo they have only one shot left. I mean HOM is the second single, they could quickly say that NF was a "heater" single, and okay that's fine. But if HOM underperforms..
This is frustrating.
I hope the video gets a lot of attention.
I still can't believe she didn't even do aol sessions, i mean c'mon now.
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They need to market her like she's a new artist.
Relying on "A Thousand Miles" to get her name out clearly isn't working. They should just forget all about that song & the success she had back then for now and treat her like she's a new artist who no one has heard of before.
Push her out everywhere - music video, radio, TV shows, magazine interviews, live performances, etc.
That's where I feel Irv is going wrong...
That's what I think.
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i agree.. why hasn't she been on leno, letterman, conan, etc? any other artist does all that promo shit when they have a new album/single. i never understood why she wasn't doing that.
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yai haven seen any promo...
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the promo for "Nolita" and the album was crap. sorry, but it was. who the hell promotes an album the same day it comes out? because aside from V mentioning it in a few radio interviews and the buzz on the internet, no one else knew about it which reflects in the album's sales.
they need to force her out there into the spotlight. get people to notice her and start actually promoting the album & its singles. the single went to radio in july 2007 and they had her debut the video on TRL in october, three months later...what's that all about?
hopefully the promotion is tighter and in full effect this year.
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im so tempted to throw pictures and papers that say vanessacarlton.com off a huge building or walking around town with my ihome playing hands on me with a blow horn or something! and dont forget about the dollar bill campaign, on my site [link in my siggy] there are instructions! so start writing on your $$$$
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im so tempted to throw pictures and papers that say vanessacarlton.com off a huge building or walking around town with my ihome playing hands on me with a blow horn or something!
well shit, you might have to if Irv doesn't step up to the mark.
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XD, you might get a ticket for "disturbing the peace".
That would be quite a sight alright.
Don't worry you guys.
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If he dares to give another interview in which states hig huge love and belief for Vanessa, i'll snap.
That's what i don't get, he says he believes in her. She's something fresh. And than he doesn't do anything with it.
At times i really think she made a mistake signing with his label. It still isn't on it's feet, and Vanessa is surely the victim. I hate to think this way.
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Its great that he believes in her but he needs to believe in the publicity process too, like Vanessa said in pleased to meet you:
"some people live for the point of being famous, thats the point of their job...I dont. I've always gotten enough validation from my family and friends where i feel like i dont have to seek it out. But i want my music to reach people so i have to through the whole publicity process."
i dont know if the Harmonium publicity was good because i wasnt really into the whole music world because i was only like 10 or 11 when it came out, but i feel like it probably wasnt that great because the album only sold around 100,000 copies, and Heroes and thieves has don worse believe it or not, it has only sold 50-60,000. but i think she needs to get some posters hung up in music stores, start putting her albums in the front racks of the stores where you can see it while walking past the aisle and just jump the gun so to speak on the publicity.
but she also doesnt really care about being famous as long as her music reaches adn touches people, so she might be happy, and if she is happy then i am too. :D
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Yeah, those are good ideas, but I wouldn't necessarily buy a CD just because it was right there. I would rather be introduced to it by a friend or a family member that loves music as much as I do. Publicity would be so great, and for those, let's say they were looking for a Vanessa Carlton CD before, and they forgot about it. But then they went to a music store, and they saw the CD up in front, so they went "Oh yeah!" and bought it. I don't know how many people just buy CDs for the sake of buying them, but I really don't want anyone to be deprived of having the chance to listen to music that they actually might like, a lot.
All this is really just a weird way of trying to say I agree, though. Irv should get his butt in gear. (XD)
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not that it matters in the scheme of things, but i was building a myspace playlist on http://www.projectplaylist.org, and an ad for vanessa was on one of the pages.. one of those things.. text vc[some number] to [some number] to download the hands on me ringtone
http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CMWDhtva-q7C6wEQ2AUYTzIImOJKwMwA2MU
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ha nice one of my friends told me about that too she was on youtube I think and some other site and said she saw it on there
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ya if you go to my site, it comes up a lot as the ad on the top! it was exciting when i first saw it was was like OMB 8O i cant believe my eyes i must be dreaming!
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whats omb?
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oh my buddha
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LOL That is funny. OMB.
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i thought that Irv is doing his job well to promote her...Does he prefer to do more for his rap artists?
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i haven't really seen any promotion anywhere, except that music store someone had a picture of on here...
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i took that pic lol...
but i think irv wants to do more for the artists he KNOWS will sell a lot because of their past records with him, V is still new to him, and you also have to remember that it might not all be irvs fault, music stores might not want to advertise her because they are unsure of how much her cd might sell because of harmonium, which was a great album that didnt get the chancet it deserved. i think i need to start a publicity career or be a record producer for all of the artists that havent been given the support they deserve.
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I think Irv is trying to get his company back on good groudning and Vanessa may get more sales with better advertising but his other artists will bring in a lot more money. I'm sure Irv is trying hard to get Vanessa promotion but first he really needs to make sure Vanessa has a record company that can be stable.
I have seen zero promotion for Hands on Me and the radio here in Texas does not play it at all. Things aren't looking to well, the video needs to be released quickly so the single and album won't suffer from it being out too long without anhy notice.
I think for promotion there needs to be performances at talk shows a lot more and guest spots. In stores they should play the song a lot more inside malls and show the videos in the record store a long with a stand of Vanessa CDs. Vanessa may not like it too much but she's gotta associate herself more with her Thousand Miles image.
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They need to announce something, and fast.
And about Irv and his label. His other artists, like Ja Rule haven't had a "comeback" either. I saw that he has a single out. And the same with Ashanti. But there isn't much buzz around them either. I really hope they catch on, cause that will mean Vanessa has a chance as well.
She sure made a risk signing with a hip-hop label.
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as horrible as this sounds, i kinda think vanessa needs to be put in the tabloids more. think of artists who are absolutely horrible, but sell millions because people hear about them constantly. the only time anyone hears about V is either randomly on VH1 or in sporatic magazine interviews...
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as horrible as this sounds, i kinda think vanessa needs to be put in the tabloids more. think of artists who are absolutely horrible, but sell millions because people hear about them constantly. the only time anyone hears about V is either randomly on VH1 or in sporatic magazine interviews...
yeah, this is a bit extreme, but I think it would definitely help her get in the media.
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Well, in a nice change, it's starting to gain daily again.
It gained 5 since yesterday, which is fair.
47 47 VANESSA CARLTON Hands On Me 165 143 22 0.227
Still stuck at #47, but when recurrents go later this afternoon, she might move up a few.
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Yeah tabloids.
It's the way things work nowadays.
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They need to announce something, and fast.
And about Irv and his label. His other artists, like Ja Rule haven't had a "comeback" either. I saw that he has a single out. And the same with Ashanti. But there isn't much buzz around them either. I really hope they catch on, cause that will mean Vanessa has a chance as well.
She sure made a risk signing with a hip-hop label.
llyod banks has done okay, i think. but the rest have flopped too, so it's definitley something with the label as opposed to the artists material.
i think ashanti will have a good comeback. her new song is hot and people are still checking for her. i don't think Irv will be behind promoting her project though, even though she's on his label because they don't have anything to do with eachother after she wasn't loyal to him when the money laundering fiasco came about. i think she'll be getting help from somewhere else in that department.
either way, i'm crossing everything for a comeback for V.
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Well, in a nice change, it's starting to gain daily again.
It gained 5 since yesterday, which is fair.
47 47 VANESSA CARLTON Hands On Me 165 143 22 0.227
Still stuck at #47, but when recurrents go later this afternoon, she might move up a few.
heyyy. :)
which site is that that you get the info from?
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hhmm.. i agree with everyone here and i was thinking of doing another fansite, but instead of a fansite, like a self promotion site. where people can promote vanessa in their own private time, or say they have schoolboards they can go and post it there with printable papers on it. you know? i could also make graphics that people could put on their myspace. also, i use to own another fansite that has about 1-100 online and i could post it and not sure if people will, but they might buy her music.
i think hse just needs alot of promotion, but it will take awhile.
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While things were starting to look really good...
It's lost 6 spins overnight.
47 45 VANESSA CARLTON Hands On Me 159 148 11 0.232
The bullet could be gone within days.
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hhmm.. i agree with everyone here and i was thinking of doing another fansite, but instead of a fansite, like a self promotion site. where people can promote vanessa in their own private time, or say they have schoolboards they can go and post it there with printable papers on it. you know? i could also make graphics that people could put on their myspace. also, i use to own another fansite that has about 1-100 online and i could post it and not sure if people will, but they might buy her music.
i think hse just needs alot of promotion, but it will take awhile.
the nessaholics can only do so much. it's now down to Irv.
the fate of "hands on me" lies in that dudes' hands.
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While things were starting to look really good...
It's lost 6 spins overnight.
47 45 VANESSA CARLTON Hands On Me 159 148 11 0.232
The bullet could be gone within days.
At least it moved up the chart. :?
I'm gonna go make some requests...
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They need to announce something, and fast.
And about Irv and his label. His other artists, like Ja Rule haven't had a "comeback" either. I saw that he has a single out. And the same with Ashanti. But there isn't much buzz around them either. I really hope they catch on, cause that will mean Vanessa has a chance as well.
She sure made a risk signing with a hip-hop label.
llyod banks has done okay, i think. but the rest have flopped too, so it's definitley something with the label as opposed to the artists material.
i think ashanti will have a good comeback. her new song is hot and people are still checking for her. i don't think Irv will be behind promoting her project though, even though she's on his label because they don't have anything to do with eachother after she wasn't loyal to him when the money laundering fiasco came about. i think she'll be getting help from somewhere else in that department.
either way, i'm crossing everything for a comeback for V.
Lloyd banks is a rapper on g-unit records. The artist you are referring to is simply Lloyd. He is an rnb singer from New Orleans.
Just remember that Irv is new to Vanessa's genre. A lot of his connections are hip hop and r&b oriented, so he cant exactly tell urban djs to throw on this hands on me record, if you know what I mean. At this point in time, heroes and thieves looks like a failed attempt at something new by Irv. He needs to get his act together and learn how to do things differently if he wants to succeed (in general). If you are unsure on exactly how he gets a record broken in the industry watch these videos http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/irv+gotti
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They need to announce something, and fast.
And about Irv and his label. His other artists, like Ja Rule haven't had a "comeback" either. I saw that he has a single out. And the same with Ashanti. But there isn't much buzz around them either. I really hope they catch on, cause that will mean Vanessa has a chance as well.
She sure made a risk signing with a hip-hop label.
llyod banks has done okay, i think. but the rest have flopped too, so it's definitley something with the label as opposed to the artists material.
i think ashanti will have a good comeback. her new song is hot and people are still checking for her. i don't think Irv will be behind promoting her project though, even though she's on his label because they don't have anything to do with eachother after she wasn't loyal to him when the money laundering fiasco came about. i think she'll be getting help from somewhere else in that department.
either way, i'm crossing everything for a comeback for V.
Lloyd banks is a rapper on g-unit records. The artist you are referring to is simply Lloyd. He is an rnb singer from New Orleans.
Just remember that Irv is new to Vanessa's genre. A lot of his connections are hip hop and r&b oriented, so he cant exactly tell urban djs to throw on this hands on me record, if you know what I mean. At this point in time, heroes and thieves looks like a failed attempt at something new by Irv. He needs to get his act together and learn how to do things differently if he wants to succeed (in general). If you are unsure on exactly how he gets a record broken in the industry watch these videos http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/irv+gotti
I fully agree....
I think that Irv is doing a great job so far with the promotion. Sure the cd did not go all crazy hit list seller and stuff but like HITMAN said, irv's new to this genre. I am sure Hands on me will take off anyways.
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It's called havin faith.
Read or seen The Secret?
If we believe that HOM will be the biggest hit of 08.
THEN SO BE IT.
haha have a little faith. It's gonna happen...patience.
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It's called havin faith.
Read or seen The Secret?
If we believe that HOM will be the biggest hit of 08.
THEN SO BE IT.
haha have a little faith. It's gonna happen...patience.
All I hear is Oprah..
"SEC-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!"
"YOU GET A COPY, YOU GET A COPY!! YOU GET A COPY!! EVERYONE HERE GETS A COPY OF THE SEC-REEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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They need to announce something, and fast.
And about Irv and his label. His other artists, like Ja Rule haven't had a "comeback" either. I saw that he has a single out. And the same with Ashanti. But there isn't much buzz around them either. I really hope they catch on, cause that will mean Vanessa has a chance as well.
She sure made a risk signing with a hip-hop label.
llyod banks has done okay, i think. but the rest have flopped too, so it's definitley something with the label as opposed to the artists material.
i think ashanti will have a good comeback. her new song is hot and people are still checking for her. i don't think Irv will be behind promoting her project though, even though she's on his label because they don't have anything to do with eachother after she wasn't loyal to him when the money laundering fiasco came about. i think she'll be getting help from somewhere else in that department.
either way, i'm crossing everything for a comeback for V.
Lloyd banks is a rapper on g-unit records. The artist you are referring to is simply Lloyd. He is an rnb singer from New Orleans.
that's the one! thanks.
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I still support VC. If any help is needed, and I'm not down on my ass I'll help out.
Take care