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An array of punk-pop bands including Sum 41, Good Charlotte, Pennywise, Green Day, NOFX and Alkaline Trio will appear on a forthcoming compilation tentatively titled Rock Against Bush. NOFX’s Fat Mike is putting together the comp for his Fat Wreck Chords label as a way to raise American voter awareness before the 2004 presidential elections. After the album is released next year, Fat Mike plans to organize a tour to further spread the pro-voting word.
http://ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/punks_get_political_.html
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*shakes head*
at least there arent any artists I support in that lil list.
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*sigh* lol
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LMAO @ anyone who takes political advice from someone named Fat Mike
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*shakes head*
I'm kind of dissapointed that Alkaline Trio is on that list.
I couldn't care less about the rest of 'em though.
NOFX sucks.
---Andrew
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I'm glad they're trying to tackle voter apathy but i'm with Tricia. lol
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lmao... i think theyre going to hurt them selves more than anyone with that
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Ughhhh . . .
Why do people have to be so goddam liberal?! Who gives a shit! Keep your opinions to yourself - You don't HAVE to make a CD about how much you're against the President - NOT THE LEADER OF THE CANADIAN PARLIAMENT, or whatever, Sum 41. I hate people. You can think it - Don't make a big show abut it. I HATE the Dixie CHicks (not just because of their Southern roots. :P) because of what they said. That was STUPID. Think it, don't say it to 55 bunillion Conservative Americans.
People are stupid.
Shit heads.
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haha i'm all for the idea :lol: :roll:
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(not just because of their Southern roots. :P) .
i am offended! I am from the south...of course my parents are from PA/NY...so everyone calls me a yankee...
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Then why in the FUCK are you in NC?!
. . . excuse my language. :)
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whaaa!? hate the dixie chicks!? I have to love them...songs like sin wagon always win me over....
lol its so funny how canadians always get involved in american politics...like sum 41. and celine always sings god bless america to the soldiers and such. silly silly us.
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sad sad story
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Then why in the FUCK are you in NC?!
. . . excuse my language. :)
cuz my parents like it here and i am not 18...of course i think i am going to be here untill i am 22.5 cuz i am hopefully going to college in the mountains of NC...
and Jamie I love sin wagon! the dixie chicks rock my sock! have you seen the top of the world video?
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no! But I will have in a few minutes doubtlessly!
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LMAO @ the discussion that happened above me
You can hate the Dixie Chicks all you want...though I think it's pretty stupid to say you hate people you've never met because of some off-handed comment they happened to make. o_O Not saying I agree with what Natalie said (because I don't) but I certainly have no personal feelings for her one way or the other.
Second, she didn't say it to 55 million conservative Americans. She said it to a bunch of British people who HATE the American policy of this war.
And lastly, I think it was pretty damn smart to say it. Think about it, they were all over the news, on the covers of magazines, on the radio...it was all about the Dixie Chicks. No publicity is bad publicity. Or so they say.
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You can hate the Dixie Chicks all you want...though I think it's pretty stupid to say you hate people you've never met because of some off-handed comment they happened to make. o_O Not saying I agree with what Natalie said (because I don't) but I certainly have no personal feelings for her one way or the other.
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I know, I shouldn't "hate" the Dixie Chicks, being that I've never met them, but their music, their whole style makes me strongly dislike them. I mean, I can't help it. Just like people hate Eminem, or Michelle Branch or whoever, how many do you think have ever met Eminem or Michelle? Also, the Dixie Chicks' whole attitude towards the US government is just wrong. They ought to be respecting their country, their leader, regardless if their leader is retarded. ;)
Second, she didn't say it to 55 million conservative Americans. She said it to a bunch of British people who HATE the American policy of this war.
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Just because she said it to the British doesn't mean the US won't ever hear about it. Remember, England is the 51st state.
And lastly, I think it was pretty damn smart to say it. Think about it, they were all over the news, on the covers of magazines, on the radio...it was all about the Dixie Chicks. No publicity is bad publicity. Or so they say.
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Would you rather be on magazines all over or have people buy your CDs if you were a musician?
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Remember, England is the 51st state.
:| :? :|
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And lastly, I think it was pretty damn smart to say it. Think about it, they were all over the news, on the covers of magazines, on the radio...it was all about the Dixie Chicks. No publicity is bad publicity. Or so they say.
Thats not universally true. Sometimes publicity like this will boost a career shortterm but kill it once the buzz dies off. Staying power is based on a loyal fan base, not on short term press.
---Andrew
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besides that they didn't quote all she said...
she said something along the lines of...
"I am embarrassed to be from the same state is the President of the United States, but I do support the troops..."
which they mysteriously left off the quote...
and we don't live in a communist country, that is why there is more then one party...so no you shouldn't respect your leader even if he is retarded...that should make you disrespect the leader AND the people that put a retard as the leader....
my personal thought.
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so no you shouldn't respect your leader even if he is retarded...that should make you disrespect the leader AND the people that put a retard as the leader....
I concur
britain is the 51st state? I'm betting my ass an american came up with that
and my ass is nice :)
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britain is the 51st state? I'm betting my ass an american came up with that
and my ass is nice :)
Nah... it's Canada that is the 51st state. ;) BC is like middle CA with fewer immigrants from Mexico and the east.
And about your ass, I'd say something but my girlfriend wouldn't be happy. :razz:
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besides that they didn't quote all she said...
she said something along the lines of...
"I am embarrassed to be from the same state is the President of the United States, but I do support the troops..."
But, the first part stands alone. I don't think anyone disputed that she "supports our troops." It was the president part of the quote that got people angry. Do you think that alone with less context, people in the south would take it in a different way? A few maybe. But not many.
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and my ass is nice :)
Are we expected to take you word for that? I expect proof.
Pictures will do :wink:
---Andrew
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besides that they didn't quote all she said...
she said something along the lines of...
"I am embarrassed to be from the same state is the President of the United States, but I do support the troops..."
But, the first part stands alone. I don't think anyone disputed that she "supports our troops." It was the president part of the quote that got people angry. Do you think that alone with less context, people in the south would take it in a different way? A few maybe. But not many.
a lot of people in the south already didn't like the Dixie Chicks...it wasn't her fans that started the anti-dixie chicks stuff, Yes their album sales went down, but i know for a fact that when they were here that they sold out in ticket sales and someone i know was there and they said that there was some standing room only.
Sheryl Crow, t.A.t.U, shakira and system of a down all spoke out against the war, and people here didn't go all nuts for that...
she said she was embarrassed to be from the same state not I hate Bush, lets punish her for her opinion...
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Also, the Dixie Chicks' whole attitude towards the US government is just wrong. They ought to be respecting their country, their leader, regardless if their leader is retarded. ;)
That is such a blatantly wrong concept to live by. Why should you respect a leader you didn't vote for? Why should you respect a leader who you hate? Why should you respect a leader who's policies you don't agree with? Why does everything in America have to be about 'loving your country'!?
Just because she said it to the British doesn't mean the US won't ever hear about it. Remember, England is the 51st state.
Ugh, you did not just say that!! lol
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Bush is our President - The Americans' leader. I don't understand people who are so public about their opinions towards the government - You can't LEGALLY change the US government for the time being. We have to make do with what we have, even if he is a retarded Texan.
I did say it 'cause the UK is the 51st! So says I!
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Also, the Dixie Chicks' whole attitude towards the US government is just wrong. They ought to be respecting their country, their leader, regardless if their leader is retarded. ;)
That is such a blatantly wrong concept to live by. Why should you respect a leader you didn't vote for? Why should you respect a leader who you hate? Why should you respect a leader who's policies you don't agree with? Why does everything in America have to be about 'loving your country'!?
Just because she said it to the British doesn't mean the US won't ever hear about it. Remember, England is the 51st state.
Ugh, you did not just say that!! lol
Rosie, you stole that from my mouth. ALL that lol
I mean, if I had been born some 30 years earlier, are you telling me I should support Franco, a dictator, just because he is in power? Did Franco equal Spain? Hell no! just because people didn't like him or his government it doesn't mean they were against Spain. In fact it's quite the opposite. If you're concerned about your current leader and don't like what he's doing is probably because you love your country and think it could be doing much better in different hands. A certain leader in a certain moment in history doesn't represent the country, it represents the ideas that got him to power and the people who voted for him. He is supposed to do the best things for his country, yes, to that extent I agree about the leader-country association, but for instance Bush does not mean America. America as a country, and as a concept (and that applies to any other country and leader) was there before Bush and will be there after Bush. Not supporting Bush's ideas doesn't mean you're anti-American. Most people in the US seem to get that wrong.
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He is supposed to do the best things for his country, yes, to that extent I agree about the leader-country association, but for instance Bush does not mean America. America as a country, and as a concept (and that applies to any other country and leader) was there before Bush and will be there after Bush. Not supporting Bush's ideas doesn't mean you're anti-American. Most people in the US seem to get that wrong
I was anti-war myself. I didn't agree with Bush. That doesn't mean I didn't respect him as a leader - Not a person.
I think it pissed me off more than anything when we would talk about the War in class or I'd talk about it with someone and someone would go "If you don't support the War, go to Iraq."
1) What point are they trying to make here? They have nothing on their side.
2) I couldn't care less about the Iraqis. If pro-War people would just get it in their heads that the only people who are being killed AREN'T the Iraqis (though few were), they would understand that I lurrrve our troops and I heart our troops' safety - That's why I didn't want America to go to War.
I wasn't for Bush - And I never have been. But that doesn't mean I go out to England - The country America easily communicates with the most - and tell the British how ashamed I am for having Bush come out of "my" homestate (though I'm not from Texas).
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Bush is our President - The Americans' leader. I don't understand people who are so public about their opinions towards the government - You can't LEGALLY change the US government for the time being. We have to make do with what we have, even if he is a retarded Texan.
well i aint american so i'm gunna be public with my opinions! altho i don't think too much of Blair either...
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Oh my God! You say "ain't" with your little British accent? That's the coolest thing I've heard all day! Lol!
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That was good!
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That was good!
what is, the candy you snuck into the library?
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Bush is our President - The Americans' leader. I don't understand people who are so public about their opinions towards the government - You can't LEGALLY change the US government for the time being. We have to make do with what we have, even if he is a retarded Texan.
I did say it 'cause the UK is the 51st! So says I!
I dont think it matters if you can legally change the US government for the time being. People like to state their opinions (e.g. you and your opinion of the UK as the 51st state) and it goes beyond that with celebrities who may be able to make a difference with their influence when the time does come that it can legally change. Not that I'm saying the dixie chicks were trying to do this...I'm sure they dont have a choice as to whether their opinions are public or not.
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britain is the 51st state? I'm betting my ass an american came up with that
and my ass is nice :)
And about your ass, I'd say something but my girlfriend wouldn't be happy. :razz:
and my ass is nice :)
Are we expected to take you word for that? I expect proof.
Pictures will do :wink:
---Andrew
haha...I knew I was in for it with that comment.
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Nah... it's Canada that is the 51st state. ;) BC is like middle CA with fewer immigrants from Mexico and the east.
yes and a lot more pot :)
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Nah... it's Canada that is the 51st state. ;) BC is like middle CA with fewer immigrants from Mexico and the east.
yes and a lot more pot :)
More pot than CA?!?!? I think they put weed in the WATER there..... either that or people there are just weird.... (*winks at tricia*)
Now if you said more Pot than central KY I'd be really concerned. I've heard stories of people having to litteraly, weekly go out in their yards and look for and kill wild canibus growing naturally there.
"I got some much grass the popo thikin we mow lawns" :wink:
---Andrew
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I couldn't care less about the Iraqis. If pro-War people would just get it in their heads that the only people who are being killed AREN'T the Iraqis (though few were), they would understand that I lurrrve our troops and I heart our troops' safety - That's why I didn't want America to go to War.
Do you know how ignorant that makes you look? Or maybe its arrogant because the information is clearly available that 100s of Iraquis are being killed and you are blatantly choosing to disregard it?
And please, people in the army want to be in the army. America is not in a state of conscription, you volunteer to be in the army. Do you know how stupid it is to say 'i love american troops, so i never want them to fight a war'? Because thats why there is an army.
And i also wonder if you are choosing to enforce the negative perception of America in saying you "couldn't care less". Who do you care about then? America and America only, is what appears to me.
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And please, people in the army want to be in the army. America is not in a state of conscription, you volunteer to be in the army. Do you know how stupid it is to say 'i love american troops, so i never want them to fight a war'? Because thats why there is an army.
Eh. I have to disagree with this point. We have police, but if I had my way they wouldn't ever have to arrest anyone. There are guys paid to clean up litter on the streets, but wouldn't it be great if they never had any work to do? I pay for health insurance, but I hope to god I never have to use it......
Just because we have an army doesn't mean we want to use it..... but it's insurance for when we do...
---Andrew
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And please, people in the army want to be in the army. America is not in a state of conscription, you volunteer to be in the army. Do you know how stupid it is to say 'i love american troops, so i never want them to fight a war'? Because thats why there is an army.
Eh. I have to disagree with this point. We have police, but if I had my way they wouldn't ever have to arrest anyone. There are guys paid to clean up litter on the streets, but wouldn't it be great if they never had any work to do? I pay for health insurance, but I hope to god I never have to use it......
Just because we have an army doesn't mean we want to use it..... but it's insurance for when we do...
---Andrew
So you're saying that if you joined the army you wouldn't ever want to go to war? I do get your point, it is a valid one. But i know if i enrolled i wouldn't want to just sit on my ass all day- or organise security for stupid presidential meetings.
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So you're saying that if you joined the army you wouldn't ever want to go to war? I do get your point, it is a valid one. But i know if i enrolled i wouldn't want to just sit on my ass all day- or organise security for stupid presidential meetings.
Damn skippy! If I could get a job where I didn't have to do anything but sit around all day and they PAID me for it, i'd be thrilled.
Seriously though, i'm not in the Army so I don't know, I'd have to ask Jason. But I immagine that even people IN the armed forces don't look forward to being in combat.
---Andrew
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Damn skippy! If I could get a job where I didn't have to do anything but sit around all day and they PAID me for it, i'd be thrilled.
Very true! But i don't think people would join the army because of that, do you see what i mean? You could just as easily get an office job if you wanted to do nothing! That wouldn't be your motive for enrolling.
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I joined the army because they promised me:
#1 $20,000 for college
#2 1 year in language school
#3 that language school was on the cali coast
#4 a job specialty in Special Operations
Now I can tell you, I never really thoguht I would go anywhere when I signed up. BUt when it came time to go to Bosnia, after all the training I had, did I feel like I had the right to say no? No way. Did I WANT to go? No way. BUt while there i never would have second guessed myself, or questioned why, or demanded anything more than what i was provided. because it was my job, it was what i agreed to do, and I was proud to do it. The military is truly an honor, I don't think enough people know that or believe that. and sure everybody jokes about how tough it is sometimes, but deep down, i can't imagine anyone who isn't proud to have served....
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And please, people in the army want to be in the army. America is not in a state of conscription, you volunteer to be in the army. Do you know how stupid it is to say 'i love american troops, so i never want them to fight a war'? Because thats why there is an army.
yea what Jason said has to do with a lot of it. College is not cheap, and most of the time people are not from the greatest economic homes or they don't know what they want to do go into the army.
Because they go into the army doesn't mean they want to fight. I'm not sure how many years you have to serve and all that, but i bet people who signed up before 9/11 didn't expect to go to war, but were prepared incase.
Also because they signed up for the army and are willing to go to war, some might not agree with the terms of the war.
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The military is truly an honor, I don't think enough people know that or believe that. and sure everybody jokes about how tough it is sometimes, but deep down, i can't imagine anyone who isn't proud to have served....
BS! The military is not an "honor"!
if the military is such an "honor", I'll make you a deal. Go sign up, and waive all your pay and benefits. Go ahead. I'll wait......
Its not an honor, it's a job. Maybe it's an honerable job. But if it were an HONOR then they wouldn't have to pay people to get them to do it. They'd do it for free.
---Andrew
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How in the hell would you know how i feel about having served in the military...? Of course it's a job and you receive pay for it... you very well should... but how can you dispute what I said having never been in? that's rediculous...
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Nah... it's Canada that is the 51st state. ;) BC is like middle CA with fewer immigrants from Mexico and the east.
yes and a lot more pot :)
More pot than CA?!?!? I think they put weed in the WATER there..... either that or people there are just weird.... (*winks at tricia*)
Now if you said more Pot than central KY I'd be really concerned. I've heard stories of people having to litteraly, weekly go out in their yards and look for and kill wild canibus growing naturally there.
"I got some much grass the popo thikin we mow lawns" :wink:
---Andrew
I believe Vancouver is the number one producer/grower of marijuana in North America...and its population isnt even 2 million. I'm so very proud :). Its probably the biggest industry here seriously...though illegitimate markets are never listed in the census so we just have lumber and tourism in the top spots.
everyones a pothead here. my boyfriend has pot plants in his bedroom...theyre soo cute. yay
by the way...sorry for interrupting this serious debate concerning the military. I'd give my opinion but I'm pretty ignorant as far as this goes and I'm not in a mood to be strong about my opinions...especially since they'll most definitely clash with other peoples.
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How in the hell would you know how i feel about having served in the military...? Of course it's a job and you receive pay for it... you very well should... but how can you dispute what I said having never been in? that's rediculous...
Then tell me you'd do it for free, and i'll admit I was wrong.
Just because you feel good about doing it, does not make it an honor. An honor is something you do and the only payment you ask for is the honor itself. I dispute it because REGARDLESS of how you personally feel about it, it doesn't change the basic fact that the military is not an honor. You don't earn it. You don't do it for free. You don't have to be special to be in the military. It's a job. Period.
Now, a logical person would then say "but what about musicians? I think it's an honor to play in front of so many poeple and have them cheer, but musicians get paid". Well, a true musician who feels honored by the fans would do it for FREE if he could. He doesn't do it to get paid. If he does, then it's not an honor anymore.
---Andrew
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I believe Vancouver is the number one producer/grower of marijuana in North America...and its population isnt even 2 million. I'm so very proud :). Its probably the biggest industry here seriously...though illegitimate markets are never listed in the census so we just have lumber and tourism in the top spots.
everyones a pothead here. my boyfriend has pot plants in his bedroom...theyre soo cute. yay
Did you know that weed causes increased estrogen production in men? Guys who smoke a lot of weed can begin to grow breasts and actually lactate. It's a fact. It also reduces sexual desire and can cause erectile disfunction. Not to mention the recorded and proven fact that weed causes long term and short term memory failure. It reduces motivation, reaction times and stimulates the appetite usually causing weight gain.
The great thing about weed though is that all of this is temporary, and if you stop it all bounces right back to the way it was in a year or two.
INCLUDING your lungs. Same with smoking actually. But your chances of getting lung cancer are still WAY up there even after your lungs are fully healed.
---Andrew
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Did you know that weed causes increased estrogen production in men? Guys who smoke a lot of weed can begin to grow breasts and actually lactate. It's a fact. It also reduces sexual desire and can cause erectile disfunction. Not to mention the recorded and proven fact that weed causes long term and short term memory failure. It reduces motivation, reaction times and stimulates the appetite usually causing weight gain.
I have huge breasts from smoking weed, not to mention i get the munchies so often im superfat.
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Did you know that weed causes increased estrogen production in men? Guys who smoke a lot of weed can begin to grow breasts
It stimulates the appetite usually causing weight gain.
Wow, does that apply to women too?
I would love for my breasts to grow and I would LOVE to gain some weight!!!!!
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Wow, does that apply to women too?
I would love for my breasts to grow and I would LOVE to gain some weight!!!!!
Well.... since women already produce estrogen, smoking up wont make your breasts grow. BUT, it will stimulate hunger which encourages you to eat more.
---Andrew
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I have huge breasts from smoking weed, not to mention i get the munchies so often im superfat.
Laugh all you want to Pete, but it doesn't change the facts.
I'm not saying you should quit. I'm just presenting medically accepted facts.
---Andrew
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Wow, does that apply to women too?
I would love for my breasts to grow and I would LOVE to gain some weight!!!!!
Well.... since women already produce estrogen, smoking up wont make your breasts grow. BUT, it will stimulate hunger which encourages you to eat more.
---Andrew
Wooohooo!
*goes to smoke every day
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I have huge breasts from smoking weed, not to mention i get the munchies so often im superfat.
Laugh all you want to Pete, but it doesn't change the facts.
I'm not saying you should quit. I'm just presenting medically accepted facts.
---Andrew
its not something i do often, But during college i did and i found it helped me do exceptional on exams as well as gave me focus when i was studying.....and i dont really want to say anything about the erectile blah blah blah but i never had any issues i am certain of that. Also considering the coordination factor, ive found that being high actually makes me better at video games by a noticeable margin....i havent really tested it while driving a real car though :wink:
so all in all based on actual experience rather than "scientific facts" *coughcoughtheliescough* the only thing i have noticed to be true is some people are just naturally stupid and will usually become more stupid while high, i also knew a man who smoked so much he had breast milk.....uh yeah, pretty weird but it did happen
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wow... its kinda amazing how an opinion of a person can change in this thread.....
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Did you know that weed causes increased estrogen production in men? Guys who smoke a lot of weed can begin to grow breasts and actually lactate.
wouldn't you have to smoke a lot of weed for all this?
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Now, a logical person would then say "but what about musicians? I think it's an honor to play in front of so many poeple and have them cheer, but musicians get paid". Well, a true musician who feels honored by the fans would do it for FREE if he could. He doesn't do it to get paid. If he does, then it's not an honor anymore.
---Andrew
i have no idea what it feels like to be in the military or be a musician, so im not implying i do by saying what i am about to say. Ive seen many of your arguments and usually agree, however i think this one is a big loophole. If musicians would play for free if they could, however they accept the pay because it is necessary to survive, why wouldnt it be the same in the military. Both of these career or job choices are to serve other people, as most jobs are, so you could feel honored to do just about anything depending on your personality.
I work for a Zildjian, and i feel honored to work for a company which has been on the top of the percussion industry for over 300 years. Thats not really contestable in my opinion.
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Did you know that weed causes increased estrogen production in men? Guys who smoke a lot of weed can begin to grow breasts and actually lactate.
wouldn't you have to smoke a lot of weed for all this?
lmao, id assume so....reasons im a good boy now :wink:
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hahaha
those are some interesting facts there...yes...interesting...I'll stick with that word.
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It also reduces sexual desire and can cause erectile disfunction.
Reminds me of a stoner friend. As long as I can remember, he's been trying to get laid. So, anywho... he has his once in a lifetime chance (he's not all that popular with the ladies). However, he was so stoned that he couldn't uhh...... get endowed. :razz:
Lesson to be learned: Lay off the weed if you want to get laid. :wink:
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its not something i do often, But during college i did and i found it helped me do exceptional on exams as well as gave me focus when i was studying.....and i dont really want to say anything about the erectile blah blah blah but i never had any issues i am certain of that. Also considering the coordination factor, ive found that being high actually makes me better at video games by a noticeable margin....i havent really tested it while driving a real car though :wink:
There is a simple explanation for all of your claims. Weed does cause you to relax AT FIRST and in small doses. Some people are naturally tense and will perform better at MANY things when they are relaxed. So all this tells me is that you have a hard time relaxing naturally. ADD?
That, and the fact that you were HIGH when doing these things, which makes you a BAD judge of if you are doing them better. It's like those people who say "i'm a better driver when I'm drunk". No. You're not. You just think you're better because you're DRUNK.
Did you also know that with regular use, weed actually CAUSES hypertension? People think that pot heads are all mellow, but in fact pot heads have significantly more tension and panic attack issues than normal people. I've seen this more than half a dozen times in people I know. One of them actually developed AGORAPHOBIA because she became so scared of her panic attacks she became scared of leaving the house.
In fact, all of the serious side effects of marijuana usage require regular use. It's a lot like alcohol in that way. Occasional, safe self-regulated use isn't a problem. It's ABUSE that really messes you up good. Unlike alcohol, though, Weed can't kill you on its own.
so all in all based on actual experience rather than "scientific facts" *coughcoughtheliescough* the only thing i have noticed to be true is some people are just naturally stupid and will usually become more stupid while high, i also knew a man who smoked so much he had breast milk.....uh yeah, pretty weird but it did happen
Pete, you can deny the medical facts all you want, but that doesn't change them. Are you one of those people who is also convinced that eX is safe and fun? Or that Red Bull and Vodka is harmless? Do you honestly believe that you are smarter than 200-300 doctors who daily treat drug addicts? Or do you think they are lying to us?
Do some research on the shit you put in your body. Then, if knowing the consequences, you choose to do it anyways, more power to you! I fully support that decision.... just don't lie to yourself about what's really happening.
---Andrew
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wouldn't you have to smoke a lot of weed for all this?
YES! in fact, you have to smoke it around once a day for an extended period before you really start noticing a problem. But to be honest, people I know either smoke week daily or they don't smoke it at all. There are few in betweeners.
---ANdrew
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oops...i smoke too much...my boobs will get bigger...its all good.
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At first in small doses? im talking about when i was in college, i started when i was about 12, so thats not true in my case. As for being unable to judge things, thats injust, i would win more, at arcades, with friends at home, i would beat previous records in driving games, etc. Really your proof is some study, my proof is personal experience. I was never a very tense or nervous person at any point. I dont do the things i did back then now, so im cool with whatever long term effects are..The comparison to alcohol is absolutely ridiculous though, You gimme a holler next time you hear about a ravagin pothead husband who beats his wife....alcohol is a voilent addicitve substance, marijuana is not, and studies do prove that
I hate X and i never drink hard liqour, im not an idiot, thats more of a harsh overstatement on your behalf, making insigifigant claims as to my beliefs on substances....i dont believe any illegal substances are "good for you" or "safe" by any means, however i will say that i believe marijuana is safer than alcohol, and probably better than cigarettes being non addictive. Although the smoke does more damage due to volume of smoke taken in and held in, its not like people smoke 20 joints a day, average cigarette smoker smokes about a pack a day....Ive done the research, I know what ive put in my body, if youd like to contest me about my condition im down for a footrace any day :wink:
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At first in small doses? im talking about when i was in college, i started when i was about 12, so thats not true in my case. As for being unable to judge things, thats injust, i would win more, at arcades, with friends at home, i would beat previous records in driving games, etc. Really your proof is some study, my proof is personal experience. I was never a very tense or nervous person at any point. I dont do the things i did back then now, so im cool with whatever long term effects are..The comparison to alcohol is absolutely ridiculous though, You gimme a holler next time you hear about a ravagin pothead husband who beats his wife....alcohol is a voilent addicitve substance, marijuana is not, and studies do prove that
You know Pete, sometimes you make intelligent well thought out statements... and sometimes I dont think you even bother to READ the things I post before you respond to them.
You will notice that I make it VERY clear SEVERAL times in my posts that I feel Alcohol is a significantly more dangerous substance. So I don't know why you would attack on that front.
Pot clearly doesn't cause violence. The suggestion that alcohol is addictive is no more based in reality than claims that pot is addictive. Frankly, EVERYTHING is addictive to a person with an addictive personality. All things you enjoy produce endorphins (sex, chocolate, excitement etc.) and endorphins are one of the major causes of addiction.
Marijuana does not cause violent reactions in people. agreed. But your "personal experiences" are complete BS Pete. A person is incapable of judging the effects mind altering substances have on themselves. It's logically impossible. if you are taking something that alters your perceptions then you obviously cannot correct percieve your actions. Arguing against science by saying "well, thats not what happened to ME!" is about as immature and assanine as it gets. The rules of biology don't alter themselves for one person.
I hate X and i never drink hard liqour, im not an idiot, thats more of a harsh overstatement on your behalf, making insigifigant claims as to my beliefs on substances....i dont believe any illegal substances are "good for you" or "safe" by any means, however i will say that i believe marijuana is safer than alcohol, and probably better than cigarettes being non addictive.
First off, i never said you take X or that your drink hard liquor. I never made ANY claims about you. I just asked if you were that kind of person. A simple NO would have sufficed. Assuming that me asking you a question is the same as an accusation is typically a good example of bad reading comprehension skills. How are your reading comprehension skills Pete?
Weed IS addictive. Read above. Depending on the person, cigarettes can be more or less addictive than weed. On average though, I agree. Cigarettes are as bad if not worse than weed. I agree about alcohol too. But just because it's not as bad as other legal poisons doesn't make it good.
Although the smoke does more damage due to volume of smoke taken in and held in, its not like people smoke 20 joints a day, average cigarette smoker smokes about a pack a day....Ive done the research, I know what ive put in my body, if youd like to contest me about my condition im down for a footrace any day :wink:
I agree with the above. As for the footrace, I can't run. I'm a swimmer. Swimmers don't run. We're built all wrong for it. To much in the shoulders and arms and not enough in the legs. Anything past half a mile and i'm dead ;)
---Andrew
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Oh my God! You say "ain't" with your little British accent? That's the coolest thing I've heard all day! Lol!
:| i only say it when i'm bein stoopid but i type it all the time! i make fun of people and end up sayin it myself :?
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Im not basing my judgement on "how i feel at the time", although being high doesnt have very much affect after a few years, in fact i dont think you would be able to tell if i was high or not. However thats not really a valid point since you are too far away to relate any proof. What im saying is by being better at video games i beat them or defeat my previous records while high, especially in racing games. I can go back later when im 100% sober and the proof is there, i kicked the crap out of my best record, its not really something i can say, oh well maybe i just "thought" i beat my previous best record because i was high, no, the record is there, to prove that i did it.
As for addictive personalities, i agree, but i also see it as a weakness which should be relatively blatant due to the fact that people get addicted to the strangest things. However its not the endorphins that people are addicted to in cigarettes, or other hard drugs. Its the drug itself, which actually replaces endorphins and/or other hormones in your body. When you are off the drug and going through withdrawal, it is because your body cannot produce the hormones evenly any longer. THC does not alter your hormone production in any way and when i decided to quit, i didnt even have to think about it, i just quit.
Otherwise i agree for the most part, i just think that the effects vary depending on time used, health, and initial skill or intelligence in the pertaining area. Look it up in your studies, you are bound to see in many studies that the effects vary from test to test with marijuana due to individual physical and mental states.
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*Wants to smoke weed with Pete and play wicked videogames
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As for addictive personalities, i agree, but i also see it as a weakness which should be relatively blatant due to the fact that people get addicted to the strangest things. However its not the endorphins that people are addicted to in cigarettes, or other hard drugs. Its the drug itself, which actually replaces endorphins and/or other hormones in your body. When you are off the drug and going through withdrawal, it is because your body cannot produce the hormones evenly any longer. THC does not alter your hormone production in any way and when i decided to quit, i didnt even have to think about it, i just quit.
THC does cause your body to produce endorphines. Your body starts to crave that release, and over time it takes more and more THC to cause that same level of release. Which is why you don't feel it as much. So yes, it's a different kind of addiction, but it is an addiction none-the-less.
Yes, I agree, it's a fault in people more than that drug. But the drug still causes it.... just because you aren't an addictive person doesn't mean that other people aren't. I smoked cigarettes for 2 years and then litteraly quit cold turkey. But I know people who have had SERIOUS issues with quitting. It varies.
However, your facts aren't quite right on cigarettes. While there are CASE studies to show that tobacco is addictive, there is no chemical evidence that anything in tobacco replaces your bodies natural endorphine production the way harder drugs do. So it's addiction level is more on par with weed than heroine.
And yes, I understand how things like crack are more addictive than Weed. But it doesn't change the fact that weed is addictive to some people. To some people it's as addictive as harder drugs.
---Andrew
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*Wants to smoke weed with Pete and play wicked videogames
lol welll shhhh dont tell noelle, but me too :wink:
And yeah andrew i can see that some people would definitely be addicted to things that arent chemically inbalancing or slightly imbalancing such as weed is.
And about nicotine not replacing anything your body triggers, its called acetylcholine. Nicotine has also shown to increase a bodies production of dopamine, which gives feelings of pleasure.....When someone quits they lack acetylcholine which is known to make it difficult to concentrate, as well as make you irritable, also it effects breathing, blood flow, the list goes on for a bit. Also when someone quits they may feel depressed due to a lower than normal dopamine level in their system.
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And about nicotine not replacing anything your body triggers, its called acetylcholine. Nicotine has also shown to increase a bodies production of dopamine, which gives feelings of pleasure.....When someone quits they lack acetylcholine which is known to make it difficult to concentrate, as well as make you irritable, also it effects breathing, blood flow, the list goes on for a bit. Also when someone quits they may feel depressed due to a lower than normal dopamine level in their system.
I am familair with the dopamine affect. Again, there are many things that do this.... but acetylcholine I am not familair with. I will do some research and get back to you on that.
---Andrew
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Frankly, EVERYTHING is addictive to a person with an addictive personality. All things you enjoy produce endorphins (sex, chocolate, excitement etc.) and endorphins are one of the major causes of addiction.
very true...I suppose I'm guilty of being addicted to many things. But these are only psychological addictions. What people mean when they talk about the addictions surrounding substance abuse is physiological addiction (i.e. your body actually needs it and goes into withdrawl if you dont have it). If they classify something as addictive usually its not just things youd like to have because its really tempting. Thats why pot isnt considered addictive...but alcohol and other drugs are. and caffeine lol. Thats why I dont bother myself to worry about weed too much. You never become addicted to it so that its detrimental for you to stop doing it, except that you might feel a little longing for some. Its really not so serious when you consider that the addictive basis of coffee causes more bodily harm.
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Just for the record.... weather or not weed is physically addictive is still up for debate.
---Andrew
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That was good!
what is, the candy you snuck into the library?
no dip shit, the article... 8O
*eats candy*
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Just for the record.... weather or not weed is physically addictive is still up for debate.
---Andrew
mmm but either way I dont think its very significant.
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Just for the record.... weather or not weed is physically addictive is still up for debate.
---Andrew
mmm but either way I dont think its very significant.
Depends on the person. For some people (specifically, I know two or three) it is VERY addictive.
---Andrew
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nevermind
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Actually, i think we are all set, if you say "it depends on the person", its not so much the substance, its the person :razz:
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ok then lets all us with non-addictive personalities go out and do some heroin.
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hey hey, i actually want some funfetti cupcakes, now thats an addiction
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what's funfeti?
---Andrew
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from an anti-bush cd, to weed, to funfeti....we don't get sidetrackeded, do we?
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haha
its all my fault!!! I'm sowwy!
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everybody loves funfetti! you cant blame me :razz:
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everybody loves funfetti! you cant blame me :razz:
I wanna know what funfetti is!!! /whine
---Andrew
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(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/fi/pr/4836.jpg)
Patriotic funfetti!!!! Actually its usually angel or white cake, then the funfetti is these little colored sugar confetti resembling pieces that become soft when cooked and add a painfully delicious flavor.
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funfetti=amazing ;D
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hahahaha
i didn't know americans patriotism ran that deep.
for funfetti is at the core of all things...deeply entwined in the chasmic matter of our lives.
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hahahaha
i didn't know americans patriotism ran that deep.
for funfetti is at the core of all things...deeply entwined in the chasmic matter of our lives.
They have irish funfetti too :wink: