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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: Jophess on October 07, 2003, 11:05:53 am
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This was posted on the other board and I will share. This is -erm- interesting :
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18788
"[The director] wants to name it Pleased To Meet You: Vanessa Carlton, the New American Goth."
And she mentions Wicca!
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WHAT HAS STEPHEN DONE TO HER!?
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1. Wicca is not suppose to be dark.
2. my parents are going to kill me if i buy another album that has a goth feel.
3. Dark is my writing style...well dark, but not too heavy.
4. I wish they'd put the video on the cd, not with the CD. because I probably can't get both.
5. Nessa is freaking me out, and I am suprised A&M is giving her so much freedom.
6. Thank you for reading.
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I don't know if there is anyone else..
but I just feel extremely happy about this all ;D
I like the dark better.
Insomnia. I hear ya.
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WHAT HAS STEPHEN DONE TO HER!?
I agree: dark, goth, WTF?!?!!
Don't think this is really her anymore...oh well, I shouldn't judge before we get the songs, maybe it'll turn out to be very good.
And YAY about the dvd! I'm excited about that :)
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For some reason, I am thinking that 'gothic' isn't exactly the right word.
I know I haven't even heard the music, but still, I am justtttt thinking this.. in my head.. and now I'm typing it.
ya.
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I think when she means dark she means like "She Floats" is dark and peeps love that and so do I. It's dark when compared to the chipper bouncy "1000 Miles". I can't wait to here the album! :wink:
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that article is really disturbing!
*shakes head*
WTF?
YAY for the DVD tho.
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WAY TO GO NESSA!!
i like it
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LMAO...I'm intrigued to say the least. Sounds like it should be good though...very good.
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Hehe. Big changes eh? I guess TRL is a thing of the past then.
The "She Floats" we have isn't what I'd consider Goth, sure it's depressing, but that alone doesn't make it Goth. So I guess that song is either changed quite a bit or the word Goth is being used losely (at least as far as the sound rather than the subject matter). Hopefully the latter. I take heart from the fact that uncompromising artistic direction like this IS the way to a long term career. Whether or not it's a career I'll want to follow remains to be seen. Probably best to let the music speak for itself and not a goth tag. At the very least it will be interesting to see how this pans out :)
Mysterious times indeed for the Vanessa Carlton fan.
Who's got the corpse paint and boot spikes? ;)
-Kev
Edit: I've just gone back and listened to "She Floats" and actually is pretty Goth. I stand corrected.
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I wonder if Afterglow will make it. Probably not as it's not dark at all?
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Interesting, not sure exactly what i think about it but i'm sure it will be nothing short of spectacular. I've actually been really into songs that are dark... kinda gothic lately, i mean ppl can relate to songs like that though they may not cheer you up, i enjoy listening to music i can relate to. Anyway, i'm excited for the DVD as everyone else is too!
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Ain't nothing but a goth thing
I dunno about the title of the CD. :)
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I wonder if Afterglow will make it. Probably not as it's not dark at all?
oh shit! She CAN NOT drop that song!!!
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PS tee hee @ the caption under her pic
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The recording process is also being filmed for a documentary that will be released with the album next fall.
NEXT FALL NO WAY!
Im intrigued I like a bit of both, dark and "piano recital-y"
I guess we will be expecting a whole new fan range over the next year.
I thought it was getting released early 2004. I was hoping to get it for my bday. :(
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p.s i think that the gothic style they are talking about would not be like Cradle of Filth style which to me is gothic. Maybe more "wanted" than "pretty baby" i think thats what they mean.
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that aticle is strange... lol
Stephen has totally changed Vanessa... i kinda thought he would!
i hope she puts Papa, C'est La Vie, and Afterglow on the album too! those werent mentioned!!
suicide, paranoia? thats a lil scary!
o well... hopefully its good!
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Though I happen to enjoy the "goth" look... and some of the music involved... to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think Vanessa wouldn't know goth if it bit her in the ass.
personally, I think she's starting to sound more dumb with each interview... Ohh look at me I'm a Wiccan.. I'm soo dark and morbid i must be Goth... but tee hee hee I've been able to kind of just merge the Wicca and the Eighties chick... I think she is losing her personal identity, her musical identity.. and if she doesn't get a grip fast, this album will flop louder than a fish out of water
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WTF? How do you all know that it is Stephan that has influenced her? I think VC is a big girl and not so easily influenced.
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It should be very interesting and yeah, I don't think Stephan is making her do anything. We all know she isn't one to conform and is very much into standing for what she wants. And since there is a film being made we can see exactly how it all came about.
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*dies*
Me and Katia may, just may, be on that film
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oh yeah, wouldn't that be great... wet hair, wet cloths... random questions... bwahahaha
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Though I happen to enjoy the "goth" look... and some of the music involved... to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think Vanessa wouldn't know goth if it bit her in the ass.
personally, I think she's starting to sound more dumb with each interview... Ohh look at me I'm a Wiccan.. I'm soo dark and morbid i must be Goth... but tee hee hee I've been able to kind of just merge the Wicca and the Eighties chick... I think she is losing her personal identity, her musical identity.. and if she doesn't get a grip fast, this album will flop louder than a fish out of water
I agree with Jason on this one...
and who knows what (yes, and if) stephan is giving her. She is getting odd.
I know most think you should be hardcore fan, and many here are fans of somewhat the "darker" side of music (i.e. evanescence)...but I do know for a fact I bought Be not Nobody because she had me hooked from the first note to the last "tonight" in ATM. Sure "wanted" is an AMAZING song (comparing what I know from the darkest of her album). She probably won't lose me as a fan, but I probably won't be seeing her live any time soon...or all this, she has built up a fan base including all ages, this will target mainly the depressed teen audience...my parents don't like the "dark" music (though my dad did listen to ozzy, and listens to pink floyd)...I will buy the album and maybe the DVD, but my parents will not be happy campers...
Like Holly said, suicide? That is creepy, I can't say much because I wrote about it and shared it, but I would never release it as a song (though I thought about sending it to Nessa lol.) It just seems a little odd that she is doing this now, and that A&M is letting her.
Back to what Jason said, Wicca is not dark. I am not going to act as if I know everything about it, but I have read stuff about it. It is about being at peace with nature, and doing good for nature, so it will do good for you etc (Not exact, but it's around those lines). Goth can be Wiccan, but Wicca is white magick. Goths are usually (sterotyping here) the anti-social dark people, who are depressed and into black magick and satanism...Kinda creepy. So when she mentions Wicca in a dark sense, it could be dark, but it's not suppose to be.
/rant.
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Oh I don't know. I think Vanessa is your typical 22 year old young lady. When she turns 40 she is going to be like, "What the hell was I thinking?" Maybe before that age. She is going thru stages in her life and I can't wait for when she is much older because she is going to write some interesting music, I think. I do agree with Jason though, she has been seeming to appear just the opposite of what she wants to appear.
I for one am excited for this part of the Vanessa Carlton Legacy. I can't wait to have two hours of VC to play. At least albums anyway.
tylor
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we're just going to have to wait and see. I think "goth" is more of a relative term that can take many forms. I hope Afterglow is on there, i haven't heard it except for that snippet on Duets. and even though it may seem strange to us because we're not used to seeing Vanessa in this form, it really could be the "real" her and nothing to do with Stephen. For all we know BnN and VC2 isn't the "real" her at all. I mean, who are we to say what Vanessa is and isn't? Just because it's going to be different doesn't mean it's not going to be good. Artists change and grow constantly, and I think that we all should just embrace this "new" vanessa and then form our opinions after the fact. Normally I hate surprises, but I am actually looking forward to this one.
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to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think Vanessa wouldn't know goth if it bit her in the ass.
personally, I think she's starting to sound more dumb with each interview... Ohh look at me I'm a Wiccan.. I'm soo dark and morbid i must be Goth... but tee hee hee I've been able to kind of just merge the Wicca and the Eighties chick...
I agree.
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good luck to vanessa with her new album. I'll buy it and the dvd and I'm sure we'll all learn to love it.
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If it is indeed goth chances are I'm not going to have anything against it. If it is written by Vanessa I'm probably going to like it because it is soo deep. And gawd everyone knows I'm deep. The only thing that concerns me is certain comments like how it is going to be rythmic....what does she mean by that? And such things like mistakes are great(or something like that in something else I read; I forget where.)
People have commented about how BNN is like a piano recital(how bad that is and shit like that.) But seriously, forget those people Vanessa, because your simple so terrible recitals actaully competed with their music. So even your worst music(yeah right) is just as good as their most well thought out, mature masterpieces; masterpieces my ass --they wouldn't know really really great music if it bit them in the ass -- to kinda quote jason ;)
My personal wish for your music is that you take more from classical than rock. They were the REAL masters, not some of this modern music, yes even neil ;) , and certainly not those people under 30 you talk about who need to read a book. If you do people will always buy your music because it will be great even if they don't know why it is, or understand why it is.
coma white, nicole :)
tylor
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This article definitely made me go O_o! ... but I guess we will just have to wait and see what the end product is.
I do agree with Jason though, if she is trying to dramatically change her style and that she may lose a big portion of that "TRL" fanbase that she has because they won't be able to relate to the music and that could really hurt her radioplay and album sales. I hate to say something like this but even if doing her album like this makes her happy, because she is only a cog in the machine if her album just FLOPS because of it A&M isn't going to be very happy with her. If she ran her own label and could be experimental and such it would be different, but frankly that isn't the case. But I guess all we can do is wait and see how the album turns out and put together all of the pieces then.
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My personal wish for your music is that you take more from classical than rock. They were the REAL masters, not some of this modern music, yes even neil ;) , and certainly not those people under 30 you talk about who need to read a book.
AMEN!! :)
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oh yeah, wouldn't that be great... wet hair, wet cloths... random questions... bwahahaha
But at least I'll finally have my proof!
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But at least I'll finally have my proof!
Proof of what?
"Tricia: The New American Goth"
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That interview kinda scares me. Actually, it really scares me. Don't get me wrong, no matter what she puts out I like her voice and I'll listen to it, but the thought of no Afterglow. *shivers* That's too much.
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maybe Stephen didnt influence her... but it is possible, cause he IS the producer of her album, and she did start changing when they began going out on the GGD/3EB/VC tour, atleast thats when i noticed it. but maybe its a coincidence. if i was a singer and was dating a guy who was a singer, i think he'd influence me atleast a lil if he was proiducing my album. i'm not saying thats bad.
i just cant wait to hear her new stuff... i hope its good, and not as dark and she's making it sound. i dont dislike goth, but i think she had a good thing before and very unique. and some change is good, i just hope she doesnt completely change and isnt the Vanessa we all grew to love at all.
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maybe Stephen didnt influence her................ i just hope she doesnt completely change and isnt the Vanessa we all grew to love at all.
More importantly, this album is hugely personal and (not surprisingly) gothic.
The "She Floats" we have isn't what I'd consider Goth, sure it's depressing, but that alone doesn't make it Goth.
Edit: I've just gone back and listened to "She Floats" and actually is pretty Goth. I stand corrected.
It should be very interesting and yeah, I don't think Stephan is making her do anything. We all know she isn't one to conform and is very much into standing for what she wants. And since there is a film being made we can see exactly how it all came about.
I think she is just finding herself as an artist. I mean it is not too different from the many songs from the darker side of BNN. Alot of us have expressed our wishes that these songs could have videos and be more widely excepted.
I personally can attest to the power of such feelings and maybe she is noticing this whole side of herself that makes for powerfull emotions that swell up and can more easily find themselves in memory and expressed through the fingers or the pen. I mean back in school and other times like relationships she used music to express emotions of like the ones in, "Paradise," "Unsung." Think about it. How many happy-go-lucky songs are there in BNN?
My personal wish for your music is that you take more from classical than rock. They were the REAL masters, not some of this modern music, yes even neil ;) , and certainly not those people under 30 you talk about who need to read a book.
AMEN!! :)
This is my real concern.....as I don't want VC to become another monotinous artist.
tylor
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I mean it is not too different from the many songs from the darker side of BNN.... she used music to express emotions of like the ones in, "Paradise," "Unsung." Think about it. How many happy-go-lucky songs are there in BNN?
A good point, well made.
-Kev
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OMG!!! I'M SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS DARK STUFF!!! RINSE, WANTED, PAPA, SHE FLOATS, PARADISE!!! THESE SONGS HAVE SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART.... actualy, how i got to know vanessa was because my sis bought her cd thinking that most of her songs would be ATM like, but then she found so many dark songs, and then I liked vanessa more than her :) b/c of the dark songs... omg... i love the dark/ moody vanessa stuff.... I can't wait for this album.... I'm so serious.. this is like a dream come true..
this is great for me... but it seems that this will not have a very high appeal to the american market.... (even the current nessa fans)....hmm... i guess i'm just kinda different from the fans that like ATM...
BTW the suicide theme is NOT new. Paradise is obviously about suicide (it's pretty obvious even if nessa says to the media that it's not but in some ways... it must have been talking about suicide but she just couldn't say that to the media)
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it doesnt matter wat TRL or any1 in the music industry thinks; wateva Nessa brings out will be her. I member ages ago when Gwen posted in the other forum and said how personal all Nessas music is and how hard it is 4 her 2 put it out 2 the public and see it criticized, and here all of u r criticizing somthing u havnet even heard yet!
She may hve changed from the innocent little ATM girl she was last year but watever Nessa does i will fully support her.
xxx Sarah
P.S. I think i am the only one HAPPY 2 here shes gone darker?? B4 every1 was saying how much they loved Wated and all the darker side and now just because its (stupidy) been titled "Gothic" ppl rn't so happy...
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here all of u r criticizing somthing u havnet even heard yet!
I think i am the only one HAPPY 2 here shes gone darker??
I think you are the only one not to read the thread properly before replying ;)
-Kev
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maybe Stephen didnt influence her... but it is possible, cause he IS the producer of her album, and she did start changing when they began going out on the GGD/3EB/VC tour, at least thats when i noticed it.
I don't think she is changing. I think she now has the freedom to be herself. What you saw before with TRL and such was just an obligation to her label.
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STFU n00b
-Kev
Edited for brevity :wink:
---Andrew
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I agree with Shades. It does seem, now that we look back, that she was almost holding herself back, never letting herself be exactly what she wanted. Good for her for doing it now.
LMAO Andrew...that's it. Just LMAO.
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I agree with Shades. It does seem, now that we look back, that she was almost holding herself back, never letting herself be exactly what she wanted. Good for her for doing it now.
I do actually agree, when we went to see her my mum particularly commented on how goth she was- it was even in The Guardian the next day. I do always think she has had a darker side to her- i think ATM was a one off little ditty she wrote- but the thing is, to tell the truth, i liked that 'little ditty' and her earlier stuff more than her darker.
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it doesnt matter wat TRL or any1 in the music industry thinks...
well it does if she wants to continue making music, and get paid like she is.
here all of u r criticizing somthing u havnet even heard yet!
I think i am the only one HAPPY 2 here shes gone darker??
I think you are the only one not to read the thread properly before replying ;)
-Kev
nor can they use the correct use of "here"...
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but I guess it could be good, in a sense. Because you have strong women like stevie nicks, Cher, and madonna ( ok they last 2 are not good examples but anyway) Stevie is a mystical darkness mixture, and has been an influence for decades. Cher and Madonna both experiment and have been influences to many for decades as well...
Its just that article was a little funky, and a lot of things were not correct...
I don't know, I just hope this is good for Vanessa, and she starts to actually release stuff soon.
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maybe Stephen didnt influence her... but it is possible, cause he IS the producer of her album, and she did start changing when they began going out on the GGD/3EB/VC tour, at least thats when i noticed it.
I don't think she is changing. I think she now has the freedom to be herself. What you saw before with TRL and such was just an obligation to her label.
She always said that they wanted her to wear less or what not and she refused. I guess to an extent she has/had an obligation. Not sure if it was her label that made her change the divide and conquor line in OD and well the title of her song but she did change it herself to ATFM :lol: and well she changed her setlist when she felt like it too (which was rare) but I'm just saying. Not to mention at the Virgin Megastore instore she was doing songs not on the album knowing full well her peeps were right there and she knew she might get in trouble. Ok, rambling now... I will stop.
but yeah
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it doesnt matter wat TRL or any1 in the music industry thinks...
well it does if she wants to continue making music, and get paid like she is.
I don't think this is anything to worry about. I listen to some bands that survive on record sales that would easily be considered a flop by Vanessa Carlton standards. They've built up a loyal fanbase and long term careers because they haven't compromised on the music they wanted to put out. I think Vanessa is making the right descision by doing what she wants to do. There's no point having another record if her hearts not in it. Sure, she'll have to take a pay cut, lose some fans and maybe even shift labels eventually. But she's not exactly going to starve. Especially with the momentum (and cash!) from BnN.
If you want a flash in the pan get rich quick "career" then TRL is the place to be. But if (like Vanessa does) you want to last, TRL and the pop-charts are pure poison. That's my opinion anyway.
nor can they use the correct use of "here"...
heh, I can't say anything because I make lame mistakes like that all the time :-\
-Kev
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Vanessa is my idol. i loved her music because it had a variety, some was sweet, some was dark, some made you think, and some was rocky. i liked her because she wasn't a rap star, wasn't punk, wasn't heavy metal, the things i don't like. she was unique. and i liked that. kind of looked up to her you know? she inspired me to play piano and write songs. even start singing.
she said her next album would be Beatles-y, and dark. so i'm thinking "ok, this will be different, but still sounds good"
and i read this article this morning, and i almost started crying, i swear. my idol, believes in witchcraft and crap like that? is writting music about suicide and paranoia? i couldn't believe it. this wasn't the vanessa i looked up to. whatever happened to the record being Beatles-y? aren't the Beatles kind of happy, pop kind of thing?? the Beatles aren't goth!!!
i joined these forums, bought her album, became a fan because vanessa wasn't those things in the music buisness that i hated. but now she's really freaking me out and i don't know if i'll be a Vanessa fan when this next album comes out.
i mean, first Arnold wins the election, Vanessa is gothic and believes in Wicca. what's the world coming to?? lol
i don't know if this article means what i think it means, but i don't think it's looking good for vanessa music industry wise. i really can't believe she's saying this stuff. and i know people like the gothic, dark stuff, but i don't, and it really depresses me that my idol has turned into that. her music anyways, i don't know if she's really gothic or not. but yeah, it hasn't been a happy day for me is all i can say. lol. very upsetting to me.
*sigh*
but who knows, maybe things won't be as bad as they seem (to me anyways). guess i'll just have to wait for the album to find out.
Amanda
p.s. this is just my view on the whole thing. don't give me crap because you think differently about this.
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i mean, first Arnold wins the election, Vanessa is gothic and believes in Wicca. what's the world coming to?? lol
if one of your big concerns is that Nessa is Wiccan, Wiccan is not all that bad. Really it's not.
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i mean, first Arnold wins the election, Vanessa is gothic and believes in Wicca. what's the world coming to?? lol
if one of your big concerns is that Nessa is Wiccan, Wiccan is not all that bad. Really it's not.
ok, yeah, maybe it's not too bad, but it sure isn't the Vanessa i thought she was.
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I think Vanessa is just searching right now. She practices Yoga and stuff like that to relax. I don't know much about Wicca but I know people who have dabbed with it etc. I don't really have an opinion about it. It's not my thing but...whatever.
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Wiccans are supposed to be very peaceful and intune with nature from my limited understanding of the belief.
Also, writing about suicide and paranoia are healthy things. At least she not out there trying to commit suicide or anything.
And of course the Beatle's songs are happy and poppy...they're about drugs.
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"I'm twenty-three now, and I think I'm more evolved, more secure in who I am. I'm beyond the diary-confessional chapter of my writing. It can get a bit heavy, but it's kind of tongue and cheek at times, and it's not so end-of-the-world."
The article kind of caught me off guard too... but now as I read it again it makes me pretty excited about her next album. Vanessa is smart - she's not going to put out stuff that will totally alienate her current fans. Come on, she loves her rabid Nessaholics! :) We all recieved "She Floats" and all of her other darker tunes with excitement and admiration, and I really think that we'll feel the same about the new stuff.
I think we also have to keep in mind that a lot of this album was probably written while she was on the road - which I would be willing to bet is a very lonely time for musicians. I think that this new album will be awesome - it will probably be a lot more mature, but hey - that's good! She needed to have a chance to stretch out and just be herself - and show what she can do when given a little breathing room.
Besides, "gothic" darker music doesn't have to be radio-unfriendly... Personally I think that good music is good music no matter what the genre.
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lol... alot of people have quoted and disagreed with me! *hides*
but i hope ya'll dont think that i was saying that i think vanessa has a dif style just cause she's been working with Stephen and that she's copying him! i KNOW she is just finding herself as an artist and ofcourse all artists change. but i was just using influenced lightly, in the fact that i think you cant help to be influenced by someone when you work with them. like look at artists who colaborate with other artists and work with diff producers, it always presents a special and unique sound!
ive loved all the new vanessa stuff ive heard so far!
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i like vanessa for who she is...shes like daring to be different and do things that she hasnt done before..or maybe this is something she's done all along but didnt put in the last album because that was more about an adolescent's view of life or something, shes grown now and she has a loving boyfriend..things like that can change a person.
personally when i read her message on 9/8, when she said gothic piano i nearly died of how those two words just like connect together so well. at first someone could think its scary, it just means like emotional, and more in tune with her thoughts.
this is her album guys, these are her thoughts, i'm sure for all you writers out there its hard to find things that people dont already write about (love, being a somebody)...this is stuff that is actually like true and happening to many people everyday, and this is what makes her happy.
sometimes to make a person happy you think about things that make u upset first and grow from them
i'm just looking forward to the sounds....i didnt really catch the meaning of "she floats" in the 2930820984 times i've listened to it, but now i do, i think it's going to be a little more hidden than u think, i dont think it'll be flat out suicide...
just go with it, its vanessa carlton -- shes changed herself in so many ways, and i know shes changed me
<3 mells
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ITS SAID IN THE FALL!
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just sit back and wait for the album...
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Wiccans are supposed to be very peaceful and intune with nature from my limited understanding of the belief.
Also, writing about suicide and paranoia are healthy things. At least she not out there trying to commit suicide or anything.
And of course the Beatles' songs are happy and poppy...they're about drugs.
very true.
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hmmm.....remember back in the spring when she mentioned bringing Swindler back for VC2? I think it's a darkish song, and in the chorus the piano can get pretty heavy. But now wi thall this "goth" stuff happening, I'm losing hope :?
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She told us that there would be no old songs on the album...
It'd be cool to hear Swindler, but I don't know if it will make it...
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She told us that there would be no old songs on the album...
It'd be cool to hear Swindler, but I don't know if it will make it...
yeah, i figured as much....no love for my favorite song...
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I agree with Shades. It does seem, now that we look back, that she was almost holding herself back, never letting herself be exactly what she wanted. Good for her for doing it now.
I do actually agree, when we went to see her my mum particularly commented on how goth she was- it was even in The Guardian the next day. I do always think she has had a darker side to her- i think ATM was a one off little ditty she wrote- but the thing is, to tell the truth, i liked that 'little ditty' and her earlier stuff more than her darker.
The article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,11712,898389,00.html
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She told us that there would be no old songs on the album...
It'd be cool to hear Swindler, but I don't know if it will make it...
yeah, i figured as much....no love for my favorite song...
The loss of Swindler isn't too bad, we did at least get a studio version of that track on a couple of the singles :) Afterglow, on the other hand, would be a catastrophic loss (if it is lost).
-Kev
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She told us that there would be no old songs on the album...
It'd be cool to hear Swindler, but I don't know if it will make it...
yeah, i figured as much....no love for my favorite song...
The loss of Swindler isn't too bad, we did at least get a studio version of that track on a couple of the singles :) Afterglow, on the other hand, would be a catastrophic loss (if it is lost).
-Kev
quite right
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But she's not exactly going to starve. Especially with the momentum (and cash!) from BnN.
I would've though if she never made any music ever again she could live off the profits of A Thousand Miles for the rest of her life.
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But she's not exactly going to starve. Especially with the momentum (and cash!) from BnN.
I would've though if she never made any music ever again she could live off the profits of A Thousand Miles for the rest of her life.
You'd be surprised how little money artists make off their first album/contract/hit song. Record companies screw artists on their first contract because the artists have no bargaining position... barring some strange celebrity status.
---Andrew
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She told us that there would be no old songs on the album...
It'd be cool to hear Swindler, but I don't know if it will make it...
yeah, i figured as much....no love for my favorite song...
The loss of Swindler isn't too bad, we did at least get a studio version of that track on a couple of the singles :) Afterglow, on the other hand, would be a catastrophic loss (if it is lost).
-Kev
that is so right! she has to record Afterglow!
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personally, I think she's starting to sound more dumb with each interview... Ohh look at me I'm a Wiccan.. I'm soo dark and morbid i must be Goth... but tee hee hee I've been able to kind of just merge the Wicca and the Eighties chick... I think she is losing her personal identity, her musical identity..
I do agree with Jason though, she has been seeming to appear just the opposite of what she wants to appear.
Well I guess the last three posts by Vanessa explains that. I kinda thought so....but I really can't make that claim since I didn't post it. Of course I did post two or three times in this thread and gave it some thought.....and I'm working 12+ hours a day....
oh well...at least she cleared that up.
tylor
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I'm going to stay faithful to Nessa no matter what!!!! :)
just kidding. now it should be interesting to see who's too wholesome to swallow their pride, who actually will like this darker side, who is so obsessed with Vanessa that they'll believe in and listen to everything she expresses, even if it means compromising their self-honesty, and such. I personally dont think Nessa actually has made a drastic change in anything. But if she has I would advise you all to simply leave her behind if you dont like the music. Not that I dont' love nessa but being honest to yourself is more valuable and there would be plenty of people to take your place. I would hope if nessa does reinvent herself we'd see a change of fan base, to prove we're not all about the arists but more the art.
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I think when she means dark she means like "She Floats" is dark and peeps love that and so do I. It's dark when compared to the chipper bouncy "1000 Miles". I can't wait to here the album!
yeah thats what i think too, i dont think she's gonna be chanting spells on her new album, i think she's saying that its not like "bouncy 1000 miles" like you said.
like one time i was playing "wanted" on a keyboard at work and this guy asked what it was, i said it was vanessa carlton and he was like NO ITS NOT ITS NOT HAPPY ENOUGH TO BE VANESSA CARLTON.
shows how much the outsiders know, lmao.
she floats has a different type of edge to it, but i dont think its scary?
jess
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I just have the feeling that the songs are gonna be just on the more sad side yeah she might talk of suicide and insomnia but if we liked she floats then i think we would like the album
what if we didnt have this article?
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like one time i was playing "wanted" on a keyboard at work and this guy asked what it was, i said it was vanessa carlton and he was like NO ITS NOT ITS NOT HAPPY ENOUGH TO BE VANESSA CARLTON.
shows how much the outsiders know, lmao.
Yeah! Whenever I play Wanted everyone gets soo interested and are like 'ahh what's that?' I get more of a reaction for Wanted than ATM.. well maybe not..but people are always like 'woooah what's that?'