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Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Jophess on November 30, 2003, 10:03:31 am
It's round 9, correctomundo? The last song voted out was

Rinse

Welcome back, ladies and gents, boys and girls, addicts and losers! After a 9-day hiatus BnN Survivor is back and kicking. Ouch! That hurt! We are all dying to find out who ill get the boot (even though we've all already been kicked) and who will move on to the final two.  :amylee:  We all can expect a close round with lots of votes for two songs : Paradise and Whomever. Let's just wait.... and seeeeeeeeeeeee.

Songs voted out (in order) :

Prince
Paint It Black
Pretty Baby
Unsung (voted back in)
Twilight
Unsung
Ordinary Day
A Thousand Miles
Rinse
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Si on November 30, 2003, 10:11:25 am
Damn you, damn all of you who voted off Rinse!

*voting for Paradise
HA!

;)
lol
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Jophess on November 30, 2003, 10:29:15 am
Quote from: "Si"
Damn you, damn all of you who voted off Rinse!

*voting for Paradise
HA!

;)
lol


*hugs to Si*
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: JazzyManda on November 30, 2003, 10:58:05 am
voted for Wanted


Amanda
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: KULPDOGG on November 30, 2003, 11:17:23 am
ok, rinse lost, so paradise will PAY FOR IT! :evil:


then sway will :idea:
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Tia on November 30, 2003, 11:30:13 am
Quote from: "JazzyManda"
voted for Wanted


Amanda


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! :cry:
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Lucy-san on November 30, 2003, 12:07:08 pm
ok...if the paradise alliance is going against wanted...I'm out!!!
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: rosieposy87 on November 30, 2003, 12:18:07 pm
Paradise.out.now

 Sway must win!
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: jlmusicchick on November 30, 2003, 02:09:25 pm
paradise
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Holly on November 30, 2003, 02:23:04 pm
we must save paradise!!!
wanted:3
sway: 0

i think Wanted should be next, what do you all think? come on Paradise people!!! we can do it!! get our song to the end!  :)
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: badsrx7 on November 30, 2003, 02:36:04 pm
Okay, so obviously Paradise is going this round.. just deal with it.


Sway goes next.. who's with me?

I vote Sway, I've wanted it gone since the beginning.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: loveplasticlove on November 30, 2003, 02:53:12 pm
as much as I love Wanted... gotta try to keep Paradise.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Gina on November 30, 2003, 05:01:22 pm
Quote from: "Si"
Damn you, damn all of you who voted off Rinse!

*voting for Paradise
HA!

;)
lol



YES DAMN YOUUUUU ALL FOR VOTING OFF MY FAV SONG! grrrrr.... im going with paradise as well. sorry peeps, but you asked for it!  :wink:
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: snapple936 on November 30, 2003, 05:17:42 pm
sorry wanted. :-(


kelley
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: JazzyManda on November 30, 2003, 05:28:09 pm
grrrrrr. Wanted must go!! it must!!! ahhh!!!


Amanda
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Holly on November 30, 2003, 06:17:52 pm
Quote from: "badsrx7"
Okay, so obviously Paradise is going this round.. just deal with it.


and how many rounds have you guys said that? lol
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: LifelessPie on November 30, 2003, 06:45:06 pm
vote off Wanted.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Dancernl on November 30, 2003, 07:21:23 pm
Even though i have voted for Paradise every round without fail, I have to give the song credit.  Compared to other "better" songs from the past that didn't make BnN, Paradise survived from the first demo tape, to Rinse, to BnN.  The only other songs that did that are Twilight, Ordinary Day, and Wanted.  It must hold something really special to Vanessa to keep the song going for all this time instead of her bringing other songs from the demo and Rinse (like All I Ask, which is much much better than Paradise).
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Holly on November 30, 2003, 09:13:18 pm
Quote from: "Dancernl"
Even though i have voted for Paradise every round without fail, I have to give the song credit.  Compared to other "better" songs from the past that didn't make BnN, Paradise survived from the first demo tape, to Rinse, to BnN.  The only other songs that did that are Twilight, Ordinary Day, and Wanted.  It must hold something really special to Vanessa to keep the song going for all this time instead of her bringing other songs from the demo and Rinse (like All I Ask, which is much much better than Paradise).


Yeah... I was thinking the same thing! It must mean something special to her! She never sings it in concert too... which for a lot of artists means that it might be too emotional to her to sing. Yeah, it may also mean that she doesnt want to sing it in concert because she doesn't like the song... but why would she keep it around so long? It is a very emotional song! And I think to be able to write about something that deeply it must be personal to her! I know that song helped save my life! It really is an amazing song...
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Tia on December 01, 2003, 04:08:28 am
Quote from: "Holly"
Quote from: "Dancernl"
Even though i have voted for Paradise every round without fail, I have to give the song credit.  Compared to other "better" songs from the past that didn't make BnN, Paradise survived from the first demo tape, to Rinse, to BnN.  The only other songs that did that are Twilight, Ordinary Day, and Wanted.  It must hold something really special to Vanessa to keep the song going for all this time instead of her bringing other songs from the demo and Rinse (like All I Ask, which is much much better than Paradise).


Yeah... I was thinking the same thing! It must mean something special to her! She never sings it in concert too... which for a lot of artists means that it might be too emotional to her to sing. Yeah, it may also mean that she doesnt want to sing it in concert because she doesn't like the song... but why would she keep it around so long? It is a very emotional song! And I think to be able to write about something that deeply it must be personal to her! I know that song helped save my life! It really is an amazing song...


I'm with ya =)
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: emmy on December 01, 2003, 06:54:12 am
aww, paradise is getting voted out... heh, i like that song.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: divasteph on December 01, 2003, 07:43:08 am
so yeh right now its paradise 16
wanted 8
sway 2

i voted wanted duh

and lets keep sway and paradise for the final 2!!!

vote out WANTED!!!

xoxo
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 01, 2003, 01:02:15 pm
Quote from: "Dancernl"
Even though i have voted for Paradise every round without fail, I have to give the song credit.  Compared to other "better" songs from the past that didn't make BnN, Paradise survived from the first demo tape, to Rinse, to BnN.  The only other songs that did that are Twilight, Ordinary Day, and Wanted.  It must hold something really special to Vanessa to keep the song going for all this time instead of her bringing other songs from the demo and Rinse (like All I Ask, which is much much better than Paradise).


Pst.  You honestly think Vanessa had ANY say in what songs did and did not make the album?
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Jophess on December 01, 2003, 01:06:15 pm
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Dancernl"
Even though i have voted for Paradise every round without fail, I have to give the song credit.  Compared to other "better" songs from the past that didn't make BnN, Paradise survived from the first demo tape, to Rinse, to BnN.  The only other songs that did that are Twilight, Ordinary Day, and Wanted.  It must hold something really special to Vanessa to keep the song going for all this time instead of her bringing other songs from the demo and Rinse (like All I Ask, which is much much better than Paradise).


Pst.  You honestly think Vanessa had ANY say in what songs did and did not make the album?


lol, too true!

I would've loved Burden on BnN
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Dancernl on December 01, 2003, 01:37:12 pm
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Dancernl"
Even though i have voted for Paradise every round without fail, I have to give the song credit.  Compared to other "better" songs from the past that didn't make BnN, Paradise survived from the first demo tape, to Rinse, to BnN.  The only other songs that did that are Twilight, Ordinary Day, and Wanted.  It must hold something really special to Vanessa to keep the song going for all this time instead of her bringing other songs from the demo and Rinse (like All I Ask, which is much much better than Paradise).


Pst.  You honestly think Vanessa had ANY say in what songs did and did not make the album?

maybe, maybe not.  I still don't think it's the best song.

Quote
I would've loved Burden on BnN

I don't think so.  It doesn't fit the tone of BnN.  She's develope so much as an artist and given the arrangements of the tracks on BnN Burden would have been out of place
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Holly on December 01, 2003, 03:43:15 pm
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Dancernl"
Even though i have voted for Paradise every round without fail, I have to give the song credit.  Compared to other "better" songs from the past that didn't make BnN, Paradise survived from the first demo tape, to Rinse, to BnN.  The only other songs that did that are Twilight, Ordinary Day, and Wanted.  It must hold something really special to Vanessa to keep the song going for all this time instead of her bringing other songs from the demo and Rinse (like All I Ask, which is much much better than Paradise).


Pst.  You honestly think Vanessa had ANY say in what songs did and did not make the album?


I think she atleast had some... and if her record people wanted to keep it around that long, that also means it's a good song. Paradise helped me and I know it also helped other people too. Thank God she released it... if not i may not of been here right now. I was seriously so bad off... and that song spoke to me and was the first thing that made me realise i needed help. The doctor told me i was going to be hospatalized if i countinued what i was doing. I guess maybe you have to have been in the state that she talks about in the song to appreciate it, or atleast be able to think deep enough.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Lucy-san on December 01, 2003, 04:26:03 pm
well by that theory wanted is just as special...so keep it!

the last three survivors are in fact my favorite songs...but paradise is my least favorite of the three. If its between sway and wanted next....I really dont know what to choose  :?  :cry:  :?
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Blake on December 01, 2003, 05:58:01 pm
Things are not looking good for paradise.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 01, 2003, 07:38:45 pm
Quote from: "Holly"
I guess maybe you have to have been in the state that she talks about in the song to appreciate it, or atleast be able to think deep enough.


LOL.

I didn't know there was such a thing as depression elitism.  You learn something new everyday......
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Holly on December 01, 2003, 09:39:59 pm
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Holly"
I guess maybe you have to have been in the state that she talks about in the song to appreciate it, or atleast be able to think deep enough.


LOL.

I didn't know there was such a thing as depression elitism.  You learn something new everyday......


did i say that? i dont think so... i just meant that sometimes people who have gone through something are the only ones who understand what it feels like. if i were to hear "paradise" before i was ever depressed, it wouldnt mean anything to me! i could relate to every word in that song tho... seriously! depression is something that plays with your mind. i thought thoughts that i would never dream of thinking. i almost lost the battle until i heard this song.... thats why i can relate to it and why it means SO much to me! do not try to shine a humerous light on depression. ok?
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 02, 2003, 07:20:49 am
Quote from: "Holly"
did i say that? i dont think so... i just meant that sometimes people who have gone through something are the only ones who understand what it feels like. if i were to hear "paradise" before i was ever depressed, it wouldnt mean anything to me! i could relate to every word in that song tho... seriously! depression is something that plays with your mind. i thought thoughts that i would never dream of thinking. i almost lost the battle until i heard this song.... thats why i can relate to it and why it means SO much to me! do not try to shine a humerous light on depression. ok?


No one ever says "I'm an elitist"... but the things people say clearly show their bias.  So naturally, you never said "I'm a depression elitist".... but you did basically say "if you've never been depressed you don't understand", which is the definition of elitism.

My comment was just poking fun at your post, and it wasn't intended to be an attack....  But trust me, you don't want this to become a serious discussion.  That's no fun and would just lead to resentment.  You're better off just ignoring my jokes if you don't like them.

And BTW, don't try and tell me what I may or may not "shine a humorous light" on.  You can ASK me not to make jokes.  And I may (or may not) agree.  But when you TELL me, it makes me want to do it more just to prove a point.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: divasteph on December 02, 2003, 07:26:29 am
just because jason isn't here andrew don't start introspectical battles with poor little holly -- she is expressing her emotions leave her be -- xoxo

btw - paradise rocks down with wanted!!!
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Si on December 02, 2003, 07:41:36 am
Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna wiiiiiin
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 02, 2003, 10:25:07 am
Quote from: "divasteph"
just because jason isn't here andrew don't start introspectical battles with poor little holly -- she is expressing her emotions leave her be -- xoxo

btw - paradise rocks down with wanted!!!


I miss jason  :cry:
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 02, 2003, 10:25:25 am
Quote from: "Si"
Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna wiiiiiin


Wooot!
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Holly on December 02, 2003, 10:28:32 am
Elite means when you think you’re better than someone… and I in no way implied that! It’s just a fact of life I guess… if you go through something and experience something than you have a better grasp of what it feels like! I didn’t mean anything other than that at all… There are many many things I have not experienced that I wouldn’t understand as well as someone who has… Same thing here, I went through depression, it had a major effect on my life, I wanted to die. So exuse me if I take it seriously! If you have the right to say something… I have the right to say something back, right? I think I do. I’m not the one to ignore things that bother me… I’ve done that too many times in the past.

Thank you Steph!!

And I miss Jason too... he had a way of arguing, but not being rude. He rocks.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Steavis on December 02, 2003, 10:42:05 am
Quote from: "Grakthis"
And BTW, don't try and tell me what I may or may not "shine a humorous light" on.  You can ASK me not to make jokes.  And I may (or may not) agree.  But when you TELL me, it makes me want to do it more just to prove a point.


There is a thing called respect and a thing called honor, the people on this planet with those two things instinctively prevent themselves from making jokes when it is known it'll upset someone else. When someone still jokes under those circumstances, it's proving a point alright, it's proving they're a fool; and if anyone is wishing to prove that point to us all, then be my guest.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 02, 2003, 11:13:07 am
Quote from: "Holly"
And I miss Jason too... he had a way of arguing, but not being rude. He rocks.


 8O

You didn't know Jason very well, did you?  He's my boy... but he has the worst temper I've ever seen in action..... he's just never said anything that bothered YOU.

Edit:

Quote from: "Steavis"
There is a thing called respect and a thing called honor, the people on this planet with those two things instinctively prevent themselves from making jokes when it is known it'll upset someone else. When someone still jokes under those circumstances, it's proving a point alright, it's proving they're a fool; and if anyone is wishing to prove that point to us all, then be my guest.


What are you, 14?  Do I need to spell this out for you?

Respect is reserved for people who earn it.  Honor is a concept invented by the weak to keep from being preyed on by the strong.

Strong people don't like to be bossed around, and when you tell a strong person what to do, they have an immediate desire to do exactly the opposite... not because they actually want to do the action... but because they want to send a big "f u" to the person trying to boss them around.

Hence, original sin and why the God of the old testement is an asshole.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Si on December 02, 2003, 11:17:05 am
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Si"
Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna wiiiiiin


Wooot!


LOL !
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Dancernl on December 02, 2003, 12:24:03 pm
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Si"
Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna win, Sway's gonna wiiiiiin


Wooot!

Double Wooot!
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: TSE on December 02, 2003, 02:58:09 pm
Quote from: "Lucy-san"
well by that theory wanted is just as special...so keep it!


Absolutely!
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Holly on December 02, 2003, 03:36:06 pm
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Holly"
And I miss Jason too... he had a way of arguing, but not being rude. He rocks.


 8O

You didn't know Jason very well, did you?  He's my boy... but he has the worst temper I've ever seen in action..... he's just never said anything that bothered YOU.


i didn't but what i did know of him he was nice... he was always very nice to me and i judge people on what i see. i did see a couple of his arguments and from what i saw he was pretty civil.

Quote from: "Grakthis"

Quote from: "Steavis"
There is a thing called respect and a thing called honor, the people on this planet with those two things instinctively prevent themselves from making jokes when it is known it'll upset someone else. When someone still jokes under those circumstances, it's proving a point alright, it's proving they're a fool; and if anyone is wishing to prove that point to us all, then be my guest.


What are you, 14?  Do I need to spell this out for you?

Respect is reserved for people who earn it.  Honor is a concept invented by the weak to keep from being preyed on by the strong.

Strong people don't like to be bossed around, and when you tell a strong person what to do, they have an immediate desire to do exactly the opposite... not because they actually want to do the action... but because they want to send a big "f u" to the person trying to boss them around.

Hence, original sin and why the God of the old testement is an asshole.


ok, you have a different thoery of respect. when i'm talking about something i could have died from and that about ruined my life. making a joke is not respectful. so yeah, i got mad. i think all people deserve respect, unless they have done something really wrong. have i done something that wrong?
and i think you're concept of "strong" is wrong. people that attack other people like that feel threatened... otherwise why would they have a reason to be so rude? when people tell me not to do something because it bothers them... i listen. i dont get all mad. i think "strong" could be when you're able to control your feeling in a way that is more kind, not just let them explode.
Title: hmm
Post by: mellsbells12 on December 02, 2003, 04:34:24 pm
i love you all, miss you all


but i have to vote off paradise..sorry!!





i hate this whole survivor idea with a passion, personally i cant believe i'm voting, but the first time i heard wanted i thought it was amazing and impossible and it was by far my fav. song on the CD, it has this deep emotion in it and i love it, and i sat down for 2 hours and learned it by ear, which is one of my biggest accomplishments, so i have to support this song! i love "wanted"  


PARADISEEEEEEEEE voted off by me
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Gina on December 02, 2003, 04:47:54 pm
melly my :heart:

i know.. i feel bad voting off any of them, cuz they're all so great, but its just a game... and paradise in my mind deserves to be gone too.  Wanted is one of my favorites... along with RINSE and Twilight... grrrr!
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: TSE on December 02, 2003, 05:35:12 pm
WE WANT WANTED!  WE WANT WANTED!   (to win =P)

And indeed I voted once upon a year gone by . . .
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: loveplasticlove on December 02, 2003, 06:30:24 pm
Quote from: "Gina"

 :(

ive decided... along with other ppl that for the rest of this survivor thingy i wont be voting lol... cuz i know im gonna get myself worked up about it and its stupid. haha


Quote from: "Gina"



YES DAMN YOUUUUU ALL FOR VOTING OFF MY FAV SONG! grrrrr.... im going with paradise as well. sorry peeps, but you asked for it!  :wink:



inconsistent, much?
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Jophess on December 03, 2003, 03:38:39 am
*ahem* there is a tie. We will have a two-day long poll that has JUST Wanted and Paradise.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: divasteph on December 03, 2003, 07:13:23 am
Quote from: "Grakthis"


I miss jason  :cry:


me too - have you talked to him - i tried calling didnt work  :cry:
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: rosieposy87 on December 03, 2003, 07:57:05 am
Quote from: "Holly"
Quote from: "Grakthis"
Quote from: "Holly"
And I miss Jason too... he had a way of arguing, but not being rude. He rocks.


 8O

You didn't know Jason very well, did you?  He's my boy... but he has the worst temper I've ever seen in action..... he's just never said anything that bothered YOU.


i didn't but what i did know of him he was nice... he was always very nice to me and i judge people on what i see. i did see a couple of his arguments and from what i saw he was pretty civil.



 NUH UH!!! We all know i <3 Jason, but have you seen some of our arguments on his LJ? Those weren't civil!

 And btw, if i said Las Ketchup helped me get through a 'bad patch' in my life- would you all vote for it? NOOOO (i bloody well hope not!)
Title: .....
Post by: 1vcfan on December 03, 2003, 08:24:26 am
I voted Paradise.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 03, 2003, 08:47:01 am
Quote from: "Holly"
ok, you have a different thoery of respect. when i'm talking about something i could have died from and that about ruined my life. making a joke is not respectful. so yeah, i got mad. i think all people deserve respect, unless they have done something really wrong. have i done something that wrong?
and i think you're concept of "strong" is wrong. people that attack other people like that feel threatened... otherwise why would they have a reason to be so rude? when people tell me not to do something because it bothers them... i listen. i dont get all mad. i think "strong" could be when you're able to control your feeling in a way that is more kind, not just let them explode.


No one deserves more than the bare minimum of respect till they earn it.  Meaning, I wont spit on you if I don't know you, but if you say something I don't like, I'm gonna call you out.  If a person demonstrates themselves enough to me, i give them the benefit of the doubt when they say something stupid.  I assume there was a reason for it.  I shrug and move on.

You didn't do anything WRONG, you just said something I found to be fairly silly, so I called you out.  Period.

Strong means you have power.  You have power over something when you have the ability to destroy it.  That is the definition of power.

My concept of Strong is, in fact, exactly correct.  Weak people who live in a happy little bubble provided for them by strong people don't like to acknowledge what real strength is, because sometimes it's not pretty.  But that doesn't change the reality of it.

People who LISTEN when confronted end up in middle management, people who attack when confronted end up CEO's.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 03, 2003, 08:48:02 am
Quote from: "rosieposy87"
NUH UH!!! We all know i <3 Jason, but have you seen some of our arguments on his LJ? Those weren't civil!

 And btw, if i said Las Ketchup helped me get through a 'bad patch' in my life- would you all vote for it? NOOOO (i bloody well hope not!)


lol.  I saw a few of those fights ;)

but WTF is Las Ketchup?!?

Edit: BTW, I never did thank you for that link you sent me over PM.  Interesting stuff.
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: kev222 on December 03, 2003, 08:54:26 am
Quote from: "Grakthis"
but WTF is Las Ketchup?!?

Advice: For your own good, supress your curiousity and forget you ever heard the name. Many  would kill for your current state of ignorance :?

-Kev
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Dancernl on December 03, 2003, 09:01:38 am
Quote from: "kev222"
Quote from: "Grakthis"
but WTF is Las Ketchup?!?

Advice: For your own good, supress your curiousity and forget you ever heard the name. Many  would kill for your current state of ignorance :?

-Kev

yes, please listen to Kevin.  It's right up there with The Macarena *shudders*
Title: Be Not Nobody Survivor Round IX
Post by: Grakthis on December 03, 2003, 10:07:34 am
Quote from: "kev222"
Quote from: "Grakthis"
but WTF is Las Ketchup?!?

Advice: For your own good, supress your curiousity and forget you ever heard the name. Many  would kill for your current state of ignorance :?

-Kev


Done and Done.  :wink: