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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: neos on March 15, 2003, 10:27:26 am
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I just read Jon's post there about leaving and wanted to write my two cents about it. The board is so f*cked up it won't let me post, so I decided it was about time I come here. It was so sad reading about Jon wanting to leave and reading all the old schooler's thoughts on it.
I get the impression this is gonna be the only place where we can keep the atmosphere that used to be on the boards at the time all the Big Dawgs were there, and happy as I am to be getting that back, leaving the VCMB aside is really sad. I know, I know there's nothing too interesting there to read about, and that the board has lost all its magic. I realised too. But it's sad to know the place that felt like home for ages to me is just not what it was. After reading Let's, Joe's and everyone else's replies I felt all nostalgic.
I mean, ATR! Woah! Those were the days!! To me, personally, the board was (and still is) a window to the NESSAholic world I couldn't get hold of cos I lived so far away from everyone. It was the way to know about the concerts everyone had been to and how they'd all met Vanessa... now all that seems to have died out cos everyone that was there back then has left. I don't wanna give the impression I am sad about being here, it'll take time to get used to this place but after all, the holics are here so it should be like home too huh? I am just sad everyone has given in and decided it's not worth giving the board another chance. The pre-BnN feeling could come back, since there's another record coming in some time, so there's no way we should give up on that. As long as we stay fans...
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i am not sure this is the right part of the board to post this...
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well said nez *totally agrees with it all*
i have nothing more to add
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thanks ells :-) wanna do some chatting on the OT board?
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yep I agree
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Hey Nerea!
It's okay. We have been discussing it too and wondering what made it turn so bad. I think the main thing is that Jon is one person and he had no help. It is more than one person can handle.
We all still lurk and if someone posts something about Vanessa, I post. But they get burried so quick, or no one replies. I think that it is great that people can go to one place and talk about whatever. I bothers me but it doesn't cause if the title of the thread sounds dumb or whatever, I don't open it. I learned to ignore all the hating but yes it is sad to see.
You are right, and I am glad that the VCB could be a place to find out about her and everyone else's experiences.
We all hope that this place will be a respectable place for people to come and it will take time but but posting in the right forum makes it easier. It's like this place is like it says a "chatting location for Vanessa fans". Cause no matter what we are still a tight little NESSAholic family :D
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Hey Let!
It's so great to find you here! Really is! I hadn't seen you in ages! Yeah isn't it sad to find all the posts that say sth about Vanessa, her TV appearances, TRL (back at the time), and a long etc, got completely ignored! I don't think people even bothered to read them, which is so sad considering Vanessa was the first reason we all got there. Hopefully that won't happen here. I am just glad I can still be part of it though, even if it's the tiniest part of them all, me living in Spain and all makes it difficult to bring sth new to the boards, but I'm glad I'm here and you guys are too.
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You bring plenty to the board!! And yes Vanessa is what brings us here. We are glad YOU are here :D
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Awww. Thanks Let! What I meant is I can't contribute in any special way huh? Having zero comp skills and NO means of getting some sort of exclusive info or news about V here, cos there's just none! LOL But hey thanks, thanks for making me feel so welcome :) Means a lot.
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you know where to find the NESSAholic love... and we love ya!!! I'm soo happy this place is really going full swing... It kicks ass...
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Yay! I was surprised at how many VC board members were already here and posting!! :D I really need to catch up on all those unread topics lol Oh and add some picture sig to my sig!
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Mad love for Nerea
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we're so glad ur here:)
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You rock, Nerea! Great to see you here! :D
-Joe
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Thanks everyone!
Joe! Sorry I still haven't scanned the Sheperd's Bush pics... but they're coming, I promise. I have almost 20 I think, not all good but almost :wink:
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Is anyone posting on the original board at the moment? My PC says no-one has posted anything for nearly 9 hours!
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nope its broken
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it's not broken
it's .... frozen
lol :D :D
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It's completely duff... "The server is busy"
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the server is busy but what is it busy about ??
i think it is writing some 00000000000 on its hard disk
:D :lol:
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I reckon it's playing tic-tac-toe against itself and getting tied up in knots.
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PM are working :D that's the only thing that is still working :lol: :lol:
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Aww...
yeah i decided to come here since the other board had all that drama going on, and i didn't feel like dealing with all that anymore and even i was turning mean so i came here! :D hehe
funny though I was feeling the same way as alot of the people that posted on Jons thread. I was actually just chatting with alot of oldies about it and they felt the same way.
im glad to be here though! this may not be the official VCMB but it's the best thing we have right now...no arguing or anything i love it! let's just wait and see if Nessa will post here...hehe :wink:
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I really didn't want to speak out about this... but I did over on the VCMB and I guess I will just C&P what I said from there to here.
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I mean, this is a really hard subject to tackle... but I think a lot of people have very good points.
Just in my case, in general, when people (at least this is how I feel) come to a message board, they want to entertain themselves, or at least have fun and be with friends. They don't want to see stuff like "This Artist Sucks Ass!!!", "WhY R YeW NoT TaLkInG tO mEeH!!!!?!?! i Am LeAvInG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", "I hate __________", "Newbies Suck", "The Old Timers Suck", etc. etc. etc. ...
I have been to a LOT of message boards in my day, and this is the only one I have stayed at for a long period of time because it has not been like that until recently. And no I do not blame the influx of junk posts to this board on newbies, or any one single "group" of posters. In general, most of the posters on this board are good and contribute to the board. It is just that once an artist gets popular, there will always be people who want to come to their board and start crap. And that is what happened here. And I guess a lot of the old timers don't want to deal with all of that BS, and that is why they left, or want to leave. And to be honest, I don't even feel like dealing with that BS some days. That is why I lurk and post on the important posts, or in threads that are not derogetory, etc.
And as for the old timers not wanting to help newbies? I am sure there is a few who are a little rigid, but in general they are all helpful. When I came here almost a year ago people like Joe, nikkee, Let, Mike, Tricia, etc. embraced me and helped me become somebody here. It didn't happen overnight. At first it is very discouraging, if you think people don't pay attention to you, but they do, trust me. I know most of the new posters, cause I lurk and read posts. A lot of the older members do too. And as having been embraced by some of the older members, I try to do my share to welcome newbies and that when I see that I can. If I see a thread that says "Hi, I'm new", I will always hit that up and say hi. I kind of feel as if its my duty, because if I don't do that, then I won't be giving back to the board, like I was given back to when I first came here. And there are a lot of other people who give back to this board who were embraced by the old timers too. People like Pete, Daniel, etc. Plus think about this, Kevin (BV), is one of the oldest posters here and look what he does for everyone on the board. He gets lyrics, info, everything. And then people say that the old timers don't give back. I don't buy it, I really don't. But whatever. ...
And I guess another thing that makes people leave is threads like these, because people don't feel like fighting about a message board, because most times to them, it is just not worth it. But hey, I figured I'd put in my two cents, since I haven't said anything on the matter.
-Brian
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wow, excellent post with several good points! I think as an artist becomes more popular, you can control and limit the trolling to still make an enjoyable place for old skool peeps and newbies. I think the VCMB was at a disadvantage from the start though... for a few reasons...
1) fullerene is an inferior product
2) mods->poster ratio is way off
3) lack of rules/forum organization of topics
It's quite sad what has happened to the official board, as it is where Vanessa posts... i wish the record label would take a look and turn things around there. But in the meantime, we can have our own place to chat and discuss topics intelligently and without flame wars or trolls :)
-katia
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Yeah, you pretty much hit it right on the head there Katia. Jon couldn't be there 24/7, so no matter what trolls and that get through. That is why it would be nice of the VCMB had more than one mod, but it doesn't. But a place like here, or the EvBoard which has lots of mods can squish trolls before they get off the ground and ruin the fun for people.
-Brian
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Totally agreed Nerea... That is very true. Although I am not one of the "Big Dawgs" this place really is better. For some odd reason it feels more like home. I am still going to post on the VCMB though.
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Katia, i agree fullerene should actually Univeral should take control and look at what's going on, that board is like a town going through decades and developments, like in the beginning it was like the 1950's everyoen was nice and happy, then like sept oct there was a lil drama so i'll say thats the 70's but now it's the complete 80's with violence, and no respect lol, it reminds me of NYC in the 80's how it went from being so nice to so bad but look at nyc now it's great so that board has hope if we all can come together and respect and share the boards
Mike