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Other Topics => Completely Off-Topic => Topic started by: Will on September 12, 2004, 07:31:43 pm
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Anyone who has ever used an iPod, taped TV shows, or made a mixtape for their friend needs to read this! Hollywood is pushing Congress to pass a bill that could make the VCR, CD-Rs, and iPods illegal.
http://savebetamax.org/
In late 70s, Hollywood tried to make the VCR illegal. Now they're at it again. Back then, Hollywood's lawyers argued that because *some* people might use a VCR to make illegal copies, they had a right to sue *any* business that sold VCRs.
Fortunately for the future of technology, the Supreme Court said that any new technology with "substantial non-infringing uses" was legal and should be allowed to flourish. That wisdom, known as the "Betamax decision" (after VHS's short-lived predecessor) was great news for the economy: dozens of markets sprung up that would otherwise have been smothered by the fear of litigation and liability. And it was good news for Hollywood too: soon they were making billions in the same video rental market they tried to litigate out of existence.
But now Hollywood (and the major record labels) are trying to undo "Betamax" with a new law that would let them sue any business that gave their customers freedom to make legal copies. The music and movie companies claim they only want to ban p2p filesharing software like Kazaa. But legal experts say that dozens of products--even Apple's hugely popular "iPod"--would soon find themselves under the gun. We need to stop this from happening, and the time to act is now.
http://savebetamax.org/
This legislation is called the INDUCE Act, and it's opposed by the mainstream technology industry (eBay, Google, Intel, Verizon, and Yahoo have all lobbied against it) along with public interest advocates like Public Knowledge and even librarian groups. These companies and organizations are all making their voices heard in Washington, but now it's time that members of Congress hear from the public (you!).
We're organizing a national call-in day. The plan is: Senators who are siding with Hollywood against the public interest will receive a steady stream of phonecalls for as long as it takes. Think of it like a consumers' rights march on Washington that you can do from your home or your desk at work. Hollywood and the record companies have millions of lobbying dollars, but all we have are our numbers. If you think keeping the VCR legal was a good idea, we need you to act now:
http://savebetamax.org/
And finally, if for some reason you can't participate yourself, please forward this email to friends or coworkers who can.
Thanks for your time, and we hope you'll join this historic and extremely important event.
Sincerely,
Holmes Wilson
Tiffiniy Cheng
Nicholas Reville
Rebecca Laurie
Downhill Battle Team
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yeah yeah yeah. Good cause. I'm on board. Everyone else, do what Will says.
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Me too. I heartily endorse this event or product.
Support savebetamax (http://savebetamax.org/).
-Kev
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WTF damn the man!
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nooo. you'll never take me alive!!
*hides ipod in safe*
Amanda
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WTF damn the man!
Indeed!
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Tomorrow is the day to call your congresscritter!
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That's absolutely insane; I can't see such a law getting anywhere. I may try calling my Senators, but I reeeeeeeeally don't want to speak to Barbar(ian)a Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, or anyone associated with them :evil:
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Miss I-Made-Handguns-Illegal-In-SF-but-I-Got-A-CCW-Because-I-Was-Mayor pisses me off sooo much. I hope she doesn't get reelected.
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Anyone who has ever used an iPod, taped TV shows, or made a mixtape for their friend needs to read this! Hollywood is pushing Congress to pass a bill that could make the VCR, CD-Rs, and iPods illegal.
Never used one of those ridiculously priced iPods, don't use my VCR, and I don't bother with CD-Rs.
So, why should I care?
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Anyone who has ever used an iPod, taped TV shows, or made a mixtape for their friend needs to read this! Hollywood is pushing Congress to pass a bill that could make the VCR, CD-Rs, and iPods illegal.
Never used one of those ridiculously priced iPods, don't use my VCR, and I don't bother with CD-Rs.
So, why should I care?
Computer manufacturers could be sued out of business.
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Anyone who has ever used an iPod, taped TV shows, or made a mixtape for their friend needs to read this! Hollywood is pushing Congress to pass a bill that could make the VCR, CD-Rs, and iPods illegal.
Never used one of those ridiculously priced iPods, don't use my VCR, and I don't bother with CD-Rs.
So, why should I care?
Computer manufacturers could be sued out of business.
Just like with files sharing, even in the unlikely event that CDRs, VCRs, and mp3 players are outlawed, people will always find a way to cheat the law and do whatever the hell they want.
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WTF damn the man!
Agreed.
But IPods are overrated in my opinion...
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But IPods are overrated in my opinion...
You don't own one, now do you?
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But IPods are overrated in my opinion...
You don't own one, now do you?
I don't own one either, but I think they are crap. Paying 99 cent per song. If I wanted to download a whole CD and it had 16 tracks, I'd be shelling out $16.00. I could go to the music store and pick up the CD for $10-$12, rip the songs, then put them on a better mp3 player (like an iRiver). And iPods are around $400--I could pick up one from RCA or iRiver for $149. I may not get 20 GB, but at least I can upload .wma files to it without any problems and it won't cost an arm and a leg to build my playlist.
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If I wanted to download a whole CD and it had 16 tracks, I'd be shelling out $16.00.
Albums are $10 (ok, $9.99).
I may not get 20 GB, but at least I can upload .wma files to it without any problems and it won't cost an arm and a leg to build my playlist.
Why do you care about wma? It's just a wrapper for several audio codecs, none that spectacular. Also, it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to build your playlist. Hell, there is always Kazaa. Yes, the iPod PLAYS MP3s!
I also don't get how you can even compare a $150 iRiver (this? (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00024VTIQ/qid=1095377993/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/103-3692410-9685414?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846)) with 256 MB to something with 20 GB. There is just something about having your entire collection with you at all times.
If you're gonna compare an iRiver to an iPod, compare it to this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000EI9VR/qid=1095377993/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-3692410-9685414?v=glance&s=pc&n=507846). Same capacity. Same price. Much more bulky. Your choice.
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I'm in no way comparing the iRiver to the iPod. Hell, the iPod walks all over the iRiver. The iRiver is just what I personally prefer. I only have about 100 songs I take with me, I don't need my entire collection of mp3s (about 10 GB) with me. The iRiver I have is 1 GB. Again, I know it's no iPod. I just personally don't care for it. And I like .wma, again, just my personal preference, but mp3 is better.
EDIT: Hell, there is always Kazaa. Yes, the iPod PLAYS MP3s!
Eww, Kazaa *shudder*
BitTorrent is the best for all your high quality pirating needs.
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MD players are better.
That is all.
:troll:
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MD players are better.
Transencoding to ATRAC3=mucho fun for the whole family!
I use MD to record live shows one of my bands plays.
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You don't own one, now do you?
Nope but I don't want one:
- way too pricey,
- you have to use their stupid ITunes program to transfer the songs (i.e. can't use it as a portable hard drive),
- battery doesn't last long enough,
- I've had one in my hands and I don't really like the design.
I've read many reviews and the IPod is not my thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, it's just overrated.
I just had to replace my mp3 player and I bought an IRiver SlimX-550 because I still wanna be able to play cds as well: like when I'm in the States and buy a new album, I can play it right away.
Sure I have to burn mp3s on cd but I don't mind, blank cds are so cheap nowadays, I think it's worth it.
Just my 2 cents... :wink:
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The hard disk players suck at the minute. Battery life needs to improve, they get too hot, they vibrate to much and crash. I got one of those 80GB Archcos video/audio things (which I'm basing all of this on, the iPod is probably better). Biggest piece of crap I've ever owned. On my last trip I actually took my old tape walkman in preference :) Lasted all the way there, during and back on two AAs
I'm with Andrew, minidisc (or maybe RAM mp3 players) are the best option at the minute. Tiny, reliable, batteries lasts an eternity. Plus even though I had 80Gig to play with I always ended up just listening to one CD anyway. The HD players will be better eventually ,but not now. IMHO
-Kev
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You don't own one, now do you?
Nope but I don't want one:
- way too pricey,
- you have to use their stupid ITunes program to transfer the songs (i.e. can't use it as a portable hard drive),
- battery doesn't last long enough,
- I've had one in my hands and I don't really like the design.
I've read many reviews and the IPod is not my thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, it's just overrated.
I just had to replace my mp3 player and I bought an IRiver SlimX-550 because I still wanna be able to play cds as well: like when I'm in the States and buy a new album, I can play it right away.
Sure I have to burn mp3s on cd but I don't mind, blank cds are so cheap nowadays, I think it's worth it.
Just my 2 cents... :wink:
I have a panasonic mp3 cd player i got two years ago for 100 bucks. Fits about 12 albums on one cd, blanks cost about 25 cents each, and if i want regular cd's i can play them too. I agree completely with you, ipod is overrated, and hell, if the hard drive crashes youre screwed, if one of my cd's gets ruined. toss it
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You don't own one, now do you?
Nope but I don't want one:
- way too pricey,
- you have to use their stupid ITunes program to transfer the songs (i.e. can't use it as a portable hard drive),
- battery doesn't last long enough,
- I've had one in my hands and I don't really like the design.
I've read many reviews and the IPod is not my thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, it's just overrated.
I just had to replace my mp3 player and I bought an IRiver SlimX-550 because I still wanna be able to play cds as well: like when I'm in the States and buy a new album, I can play it right away.
Sure I have to burn mp3s on cd but I don't mind, blank cds are so cheap nowadays, I think it's worth it.
Just my 2 cents... :wink:
I have a panasonic mp3 cd player i got two years ago for 100 bucks. Fits about 12 albums on one cd, blanks cost about 25 cents each, and if i want regular cd's i can play them too. I agree completely with you, ipod is overrated, and hell, if the hard drive crashes youre screwed, if one of my cd's gets ruined. toss it
Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house ;-)
-Kev
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You don't own one, now do you?
Nope but I don't want one:
- way too pricey,
- you have to use their stupid ITunes program to transfer the songs (i.e. can't use it as a portable hard drive),
- battery doesn't last long enough,
- I've had one in my hands and I don't really like the design.
I've read many reviews and the IPod is not my thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, it's just overrated.
I just had to replace my mp3 player and I bought an IRiver SlimX-550 because I still wanna be able to play cds as well: like when I'm in the States and buy a new album, I can play it right away.
Sure I have to burn mp3s on cd but I don't mind, blank cds are so cheap nowadays, I think it's worth it.
Just my 2 cents... :wink:
I have a panasonic mp3 cd player i got two years ago for 100 bucks. Fits about 12 albums on one cd, blanks cost about 25 cents each, and if i want regular cd's i can play them too. I agree completely with you, ipod is overrated, and hell, if the hard drive crashes youre screwed, if one of my cd's gets ruined. toss it
Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house ;-)
-Kev
They are indeed too large and my MP3 CD player fucking broke. Too many moving parts to carry it around everywhere.
My MD player is as solid as it gets. I beat the hell out of it.
And these days with the NETMD stuff they write and encode just as fast as copying Mp3's to a solid state Mp3 player.
While the music per MD is less than the solid state Mp3 players, you can carry a TON of disks in a small space.
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You don't own one, now do you?
Nope but I don't want one:
- way too pricey,
- you have to use their stupid ITunes program to transfer the songs (i.e. can't use it as a portable hard drive),
- battery doesn't last long enough,
- I've had one in my hands and I don't really like the design.
I've read many reviews and the IPod is not my thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, it's just overrated.
I just had to replace my mp3 player and I bought an IRiver SlimX-550 because I still wanna be able to play cds as well: like when I'm in the States and buy a new album, I can play it right away.
Sure I have to burn mp3s on cd but I don't mind, blank cds are so cheap nowadays, I think it's worth it.
Just my 2 cents... :wink:
I have a panasonic mp3 cd player i got two years ago for 100 bucks. Fits about 12 albums on one cd, blanks cost about 25 cents each, and if i want regular cd's i can play them too. I agree completely with you, ipod is overrated, and hell, if the hard drive crashes youre screwed, if one of my cd's gets ruined. toss it
Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house ;-)
-Kev
They are indeed too large and my MP3 CD player fucking broke. Too many moving parts to carry it around everywhere.
this is true. i had one for a month before i put it in a garage sale. it wouldn't even play one of my burned cds. needless to say, jessica looked somewhat like this: :evil:
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Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house
-Kev
uhhh my mp3 cd player is the size of a regular discman....and i use it in my car, not like my car doesnt have the room to fit one discman :o
Also ive never burned a cd and had it not play, it plays any cd's, it will even play mp4 without the video =)
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It's 2004. Why are people still using CDs for their mp3s?
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It's 2004. Why are people still using CDs for their mp3s?
Because cds can't crash like a hard drive ;)
Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house
Not true, my mp3/cd player is just the size of a cd and it's only 13 millimiters thick! (that's about 0.5 inches) 8)
I have a panasonic mp3 cd player i got two years ago for 100 bucks. Fits about 12 albums on one cd, blanks cost about 25 cents each, and if i want regular cd's i can play them too. I agree completely with you, ipod is overrated, and hell, if the hard drive crashes youre screwed, if one of my cd's gets ruined. toss it
Hell yeah!!! lol
Ipods are just the "fashion thing" to have right now. They're far from being the best thing technically speaking. And for 300 or 350 bucks, I would kinda expect them to be!! lol
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Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house
-Kev
uhhh my mp3 cd player is the size of a regular discman....and i use it in my car, not like my car doesnt have the room to fit one discman :o
Also ive never burned a cd and had it not play, it plays any cd's, it will even play mp4 without the video =)
Compared to a solid state MP3 player or MD player they are huge. Easily 3 times as large and twice as akward to carry around.
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way too pricey
It's about the same for stuff in the same weight and size class. Maybe you want a brick. I don't.
you have to use their stupid ITunes program to transfer the songs
iTunes is the second best mp3 player ever. The first best being SoundJam, the product Apple bought to make iTunes.
(i.e. can't use it as a portable hard drive)
Ummm... no. I used mine this summer to transfer some DV footage from my computer to a G5 for editing. I have no idea where this myth came from.
battery doesn't last long enough
I get about 8 hours. I don't really ever use it longer than that in one sitting. For long road trips, I have my car adapter.
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way too pricey
It's about the same for stuff in the same weight and size class. Maybe you want a brick. I don't.
you have to use their stupid ITunes program to transfer the songs
iTunes is the second best mp3 player ever. The first best being SoundJam, the product Apple bought to make iTunes.
(i.e. can't use it as a portable hard drive)
Ummm... no. I used mine this summer to transfer some DV footage from my computer to a G5 for editing. I have no idea where this myth came from.
battery doesn't last long enough
I get about 8 hours. I don't really ever use it longer than that in one sitting. For long road trips, I have my car adapter.
Well... the biggest flaw with the iPod is that IT'S MADE BY FUCKING APPLE AND APPLE SUCKS.
Ahem.
And musicmatch > iTunes
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Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house
-Kev
uhhh my mp3 cd player is the size of a regular discman....and i use it in my car, not like my car doesnt have the room to fit one discman :o
Also ive never burned a cd and had it not play, it plays any cd's, it will even play mp4 without the video =)
Compared to a solid state MP3 player or MD player they are huge. Easily 3 times as large and twice as akward to carry around.
Did you fail to see i only use it in my car. its in my car right now. I never carry it, its extremely cheap, 2aa's last 40 hours, im set on using some little tiny thing i would probably use and constantly have to change the songs i have on it or bring inside to recharge or change my playlist. I keep the whole thing in my car, all i ever have to carry is a cd every now and then from my house to my car on the occasion i feel i need another 12 albums in my car. Its pretty damn convenient in its situation.
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And musicmatch > iTunes
(http://www.vanessafanatic.com/will/itunes-musicmatch.png)
For once, I agree with you. :wink:
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Pity the MP3 CD players are the size of a small house
-Kev
uhhh my mp3 cd player is the size of a regular discman....and i use it in my car, not like my car doesnt have the room to fit one discman :o
Also ive never burned a cd and had it not play, it plays any cd's, it will even play mp4 without the video =)
Compared to a solid state MP3 player or MD player they are huge. Easily 3 times as large and twice as akward to carry around.
Did you fail to see i only use it in my car. its in my car right now. I never carry it, its extremely cheap, 2aa's last 40 hours, im set on using some little tiny thing i would probably use and constantly have to change the songs i have on it or bring inside to recharge or change my playlist. I keep the whole thing in my car, all i ever have to carry is a cd every now and then from my house to my car on the occasion i feel i need another 12 albums in my car. Its pretty damn convenient in its situation.
Ahem. Get an indash player then. Better quality audio and no wires.
Also, I wasn't arguing that size was a factor for you. I was simply pointing out that it IS, in fact, smaller than a CD mp3 player.
And you seem to have conceeded that point. So there is no point in discussing this.
@Will - Yes, MM uses a lot of memory. But that is LARGELY because it loads it's AWESOME database into RAM. The database is what makes the program so bitchin in the first place.
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@Will - Yes, MM uses a lot of memory. But that is LARGELY because it loads it's AWESOME database into RAM. The database is what makes the program so bitchin in the first place.
Umm... what does that have to do with anything? Those numbers are how much disk space the executable and accompaning files take up, not RAM usage.
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A bit off topic but I just wanted to know, what is an IRiver SlimX-550?
I was looking it up and I'm a bit confused.
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It's an mp3 player.
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It's an mp3 player.
It looks like a CD player... :?
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I have the RCA 40 GB mp3 player.
Yeah it's big, but it was only $170 at Best Buy. For a savings of over 200 bucks, I'll take the bigger player thank you very much. And I can still fit the RCA in my back pocket and that's all that matters to me. :D
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I have the RCA 40 GB mp3 player.
Yeah it's big, but it was only $170 at Best Buy. For a savings of over 200 bucks, I'll take the bigger player thank you very much. And I can still fit the RCA in my back pocket and that's all that matters to me. :D
Sounds Nice!!!
I want to buy and mp3 player but dont know what kind to get, but the one you got seems cool. :D
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And musicmatch > iTunes
(http://www.vanessafanatic.com/will/itunes-musicmatch.png)
For once, I agree with you. :wink:
Bloat!
kev@localhost:/usr/bin> ls -l ogg123
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40440 Mar 26 2002 ogg123
I win ;-)
-Kev
P.S. There's a newer version of Firefox, if you're interested.
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P.S. There's a newer version of Firefox, if you're interested.
I know. I'm too lazy. It's not like I actually spend much time in XP.
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@Will - Yes, MM uses a lot of memory. But that is LARGELY because it loads it's AWESOME database into RAM. The database is what makes the program so bitchin in the first place.
Umm... what does that have to do with anything? Those numbers are how much disk space the executable and accompaning files take up, not RAM usage.
I didn't actually pay any attention to the picture. I Just assumed you were throwing up the usual complaint about MM... which is it's RAM usage.
You were using it's HD memory usage as a complaint?!? WTF, yo? Who cares about 20 meg of HD space?!?
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Wasn't complaining. Just finding some way for MusicMatch > iTunes = true.
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Wasn't complaining. Just finding some way for MusicMatch > iTunes = true.
Smartass.
MM has built in burning software and a bitchin database engine.