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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: BWilli on June 02, 2005, 03:53:14 am
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Credit to I gotta wear shades, who always finds the good stuff.
Calm down you horny little pervs, it's all in good taste.
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/stars%20get%20naked%20for%20jane
ANNA KOURNIKOVA, MICHELLE PHILLIPS, GABRIELLE UNION and VANESSA CARLTON are among the celebrities getting naked for the new issue of US magazine JANE.
The women appear with their breasts and genitals carefully covered for the summer 2005 mag, dubbed the Bare Issue.
Carlton reveals she loves getting naked: "I like the area where my butt meets my thigh and I like the size of my boobs - they're small and I don't have to wear a bra."
Meanwhile, former MAMAS + THE PAPAS star Phillips admits she feels "lucky" when she sees herself naked, and actress Union insisted on wearing her beloved JIMMY CHOO shoes for her naked shoot.
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GAH WHY
she said she'd never pose like that for a magazine :cry:
*sits and cries*
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GAH WHY
she said she'd never pose like that for a magazine :cry:
Really? When?
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GAH WHY
she said she'd never pose like that for a magazine :cry:
Really? When?
i think i heard something to that effect as well...but technically, she'll be covered, so it's not like she's doing full on Hustler magazine here.
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If this turns into the Michelle/Maxim thing I don't thing I'll ever communicate with any music fans ever again.
Is the nudiness for something in particular or just for the heck of it? Like celebrating the female body or do they just want to get nekked?
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GAH WHY
she said she'd never pose like that for a magazine :cry:
Really? When?
I don't recall a specific time but I know she's said it.
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If this turns into the Michelle/Maxim thing I don't thing I'll ever communicate with any music fans ever again.
sigh.
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Sorry, but it's just... V can do what she wants with her body. If people are going to start freaking out and calling her skanky then I just wouldn't want to associate with them anymore. People get so judgemental about stuff like that.
Guess what? WE'RE ALL NAKED UNDER OUR CLOTHES! It kills me that in America nakedness is so taboo because it's JUST NAKED. If Adam and Eve hadn't eaten that Goddamned (literally) fruit, we wouldn't know the difference and naked wouldn't be a problem.
If Nessa wants to take off her clothes, fine, that's her prerogative. But it's the same with Branchy: she did it ONCE, big whoop, it's not like she's going to start being naked and/or skankily dressed all the time.
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Guess what? WE'RE ALL NAKED UNDER OUR CLOTHES!
Phew. I thought that was just me.
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I don't recall a specific time but I know she's said it.
I remember her saying that too, in an article somewhere, I think.
Otherwise, I dont think its that big of a deal. She's only going to be half naked, so I dont think she would be considered skanky.
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Nessa being naked doesnt bother me I just think that being a certain way sets you apart from other people, I dont know why everyone feels the need to do it thats all. to sell cd's?!! I sure hell hope not with Nessa. thats the only thing I'm worried about. Otherwise, we all know how she is and know she's an artist and has her own views on stuff. Guys dont take it the wrong way :cry:
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GAH WHY
she said she'd never pose like that for a magazine :cry:
Really? When?
I don't recall a specific time but I know she's said it.
I don’t really think being on the cover of Maxim will help me to sell records. Frankly, I don’t need to be in my underwear to command attention from men. I can do it just as well by playing my piano.
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I don’t really think being on the cover of Maxim will help me to sell records. Frankly, I don’t need to be in my underwear to command attention from men. I can do it just as well by playing my piano.
well then...there you go....she's not going back on any words she has stated because she will not be appearing on Maxim, nor will she be in her underwear. :wink:
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I really don't think it's that big of a deal! Is the picture with Anna Kournikova? Cause that would be double hottness.
Gabriella Union, Anna Kournikova, and Vanessa Carlton. She's in good company.
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Nessa being naked doesnt bother me I just think that being a certain way sets you apart from other people, I dont know why everyone feels the need to do it thats all. to sell cd's?!! I sure hell hope not with Nessa. thats the only thing I'm worried about. Otherwise, we all know how she is and know she's an artist and has her own views on stuff. Guys dont take it the wrong way :cry:
I'm sorry but I have to agree with Dora here. I have no problem with Nessa being naked (or almost naked if the case may be) if that is her decision. I just have a problem with female singers always thinking they need to take their clothes off or be almost naked to sell CDs. It's not fair, male singers don't do this as much...yes I know that could be considered a stereotype so I am trying to write this so it doesn't seem like it. *sigh* But look at all the cover's of guys albums and look at girls and you will find with the *majority* (not all of course!!) of girls show more skin than guys. And sometimes guys even only have a girl showing skin on their album instead of a pic of the band. Same goes for music videos. I know, I know guys will show some skin, but I really think it is more common for girls to do it to sell records.
This is something I *really* liked about Nessa. She is always making fun of other stars for posing naked or almost naked to sell records or do concerts because she thinks she doesn't need to do that to be a good artist. I really respect that about her. I hope I still will once I see this Jane magazine. It sounds tasteful so I am hopeful.
The page you quoted doesn't say but I am also wondering if this is for some sort of cause or not....
Okay, sorry, done with rant....
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This is something I *really* liked about Nessa. She is always making fun of other stars for posing naked or almost naked to sell records or do concerts because she thinks she doesn't need to do that to be a good artist. I really respect that about her. I hope I still will once I see this Jane magazine. It sounds tasteful so I am hopeful.
I totally agree. And I don't think Vanessa would do anything that isn't tasteful, at least I hope so. I think she can make the right decisions :wink:
by the way. here's (http://ca.music.yahoo.com/read/news/12174475) the link to the interview where she says stuff about not being naked to sell records.
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It's disappointing. That's all I have to say about it.
Amanda
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It's disappointing. That's all I have to say about it.
Amanda
it shouldn't be dissappointing...we dont even know why she's doing it. it's most like is NOT for album sales. there is probably a better reason.
and again, it's not like she's baring all.
this Jane magazine seems like a lot more tastefull than Maxim and Stuff Mag. A LOT more tastefull
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Here's some more:
From Verona, NY concert "You won’t see me strutting around in hotpants….I even own hotpants, but i won't wear them on stage. I wear them for... my... own... nevermind"
Vanessa: "Well, I think that I'm perfectly happy that my brain is bigger than my boobs, and that's quite all right with me. There's a pressure to stay thin and pretty, but I don't feel a pressure to be naked or get a boob job or anything like that. I'm sure I would sell more records ... but I couldn't care less. I have friends and family and a boyfriend and I don't have to prove myself to anyone. And with that said, I definitely have one of the better (behinds) in the music industry, and no one will see it because I'm sitting at the piano!"
GAH WHY
she said she'd never pose like that for a magazine :cry:
Really? When?
I don't recall a specific time but I know she's said it.
I don’t really think being on the cover of Maxim will help me to sell records. Frankly, I don’t need to be in my underwear to command attention from men. I can do it just as well by playing my piano.
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by the way. here's (http://ca.music.yahoo.com/read/news/12174475) the link to the interview where she says stuff about not being naked to sell records.
Oops! :oops: Sorry, I didn't know you had already quoted it. Geez you guys are fast!
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It's disappointing. That's all I have to say about it.
Amanda
it shouldn't be dissappointing...we dont even know why she's doing it. it's most like is NOT for album sales. there is probably a better reason.
and again, it's not like she's baring all.
Even if it is for a good cause, that fact that she's even agreeing to it disappoints me because I always had the impression that Vanessa wasn't about showing skin but more about the music. Why not play concerts for some fundraisers?
She has the right to do whatever she wants. And I guess it's not like this would affect her music, it's just that posing for this magazine would put Vanessa in the same light as other "skanky" pop stars, which Vanessa has criticized before. I just don't agree with that kind of publicity.
Amanda
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Something tells me that if several stars are doing this then it's not so Nessa can sell records.
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Something tells me that if several stars are doing this then it's not so Nessa can sell records.
THANK YOU. :D
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Something tells me that if several stars are doing this then it's not so Nessa can sell records.
THANK YOU. :D
You're quite welcome 8)
Even if it is for a good cause, that fact that she's even agreeing to it disappoints me because I always had the impression that Vanessa wasn't about showing skin but more about the music. Why not play concerts for some fundraisers?
Just because she's doing this doesn't mean she's "about showing skin."
Besides, what's wrong with skin? We all know that her clothes aren't sewn to her body.
Regardless, I doubt Nessa would completely go back on all of her moral beliefs (ie the statements she's made about using sex to sell records); she doesn't seem like the abrupt and irrational type.
Secondly, she DOES play concerts for charity and political events.
Third, Jane is a magazine oriented towards women. It is in no way the same as Hustler, Playboy or Maxim. So I doubt the point of her being naked is because Jane thinks that their readers will get off on it :roll:
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Here's some more:
From Verona, NY concert "You won’t see me strutting around in hotpants….I even own hotpants, but i won't wear them on stage. I wear them for... my... own... nevermind"
Vanessa: "Well, I think that I'm perfectly happy that my brain is bigger than my boobs, and that's quite all right with me. There's a pressure to stay thin and pretty, but I don't feel a pressure to be naked or get a boob job or anything like that. I'm sure I would sell more records ... but I couldn't care less. I have friends and family and a boyfriend and I don't have to prove myself to anyone. And with that said, I definitely have one of the better (behinds) in the music industry, and no one will see it because I'm sitting at the piano!"
hehehe i love both of those quotes. The second one is on my planner at school :lol:
and I was at the Verona concert! yayy!!
P.S.
Oops! :oops: Sorry, I didn't know you had already quoted it. Geez you guys are fast!
no problem :wink:
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We haven't even seen the pictures yet. And since there's no album, no one can say that it's just to boost record sales. She is trying to keep her name out there and playing the show biz game. Thus far, Vanessa has stood for 100% integrity and has been amazingly level-headed. From what it sounds like, VC will probably be showing even less than Meech did.
She is not turning into Xtina, and I'm glad for that.
We need to reserve judgment until the issue comes out.
"I like the area where my butt meets my thigh."
Me too!
Dan/NS
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Vanessa's hot, good for her. :)
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Here is another one:
AP: You haven't done the Maxim layout?
Carlton: (laughs) No, and I don't have a desire to, because the bottom line is I feel womanly and sexy and confident ... I feel like taking off all of your clothes (is) doing it to get attention from men, and I don't feel like I need to fight for it. I feel sexy in pajamas. I think as a woman growing up in this society, it's really easy, dangerously easy, to kind of fall into the trappings of what your image should be, how you should look. The expectation for women has gotten about out of hand. I try to separate myself from the whole thing.
Here's some more:
From Verona, NY concert "You won’t see me strutting around in hotpants….I even own hotpants, but i won't wear them on stage. I wear them for... my... own... nevermind"
Vanessa: "Well, I think that I'm perfectly happy that my brain is bigger than my boobs, and that's quite all right with me. There's a pressure to stay thin and pretty, but I don't feel a pressure to be naked or get a boob job or anything like that. I'm sure I would sell more records ... but I couldn't care less. I have friends and family and a boyfriend and I don't have to prove myself to anyone. And with that said, I definitely have one of the better (behinds) in the music industry, and no one will see it because I'm sitting at the piano!"
GAH WHY
she said she'd never pose like that for a magazine :cry:
Really? When?
I don't recall a specific time but I know she's said it.
I don’t really think being on the cover of Maxim will help me to sell records. Frankly, I don’t need to be in my underwear to command attention from men. I can do it just as well by playing my piano.
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Vanessa has changed, as all people do. If you're gonna stop liking her music because she thinks it'd be fun to do a nearly nude shoot, you're not much of a fan anyway.
Hey... whatever she wants to do, more power to her.
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Chris: "boobies!"
That is all.
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Vanessa has changed, as all people do. If you're gonna stop liking her music because she thinks it'd be fun to do a nearly nude shoot, you're not much of a fan anyway.
Hey... whatever she wants to do, more power to her.
Word *thumbs up*
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Knowing Vanessa it's most likely going to be a tastful shoot, a beautiful one.
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Exactly.^^
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nothing to worry about guys!have you guys seen the current issue w/jane featuring kelly rowland posing nude?Well V will be posing the same way,Its tasteful,not like maxim or anything.no worries :D
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I know it's probably the only issue of Jane I'll ever own. I'm sure it's not going to show much but if she's willing to show skin I'll definitely be willing to look. I wouldn't want to be rude. 8O
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Thats a shock. Can we watch the pics anywhere. I just hope she won't look like a slut like michelle did as took her clothes off for a magazine.I'm sad and dissapointed. I hope it's a fake
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oh im sure Vanessa is gonna look like a godess, she usually does ;)
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Let the girl live!!!
I'm not shocked or scandalized by this announcement.
And fyi, nude pictures don't have to be porn.
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I'm sure V has been awaiting the opportunity since attending Annie Lennox's
BARE - Self Portraits Art Exhibition (pics here) (http://www.vanessa-carlton.net/pictures/categories.php?cat_id=37) almost exactly 2 years ago :D
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I'm sure V has been awaiting the opportunity since attending Annie Lennox's
BARE - Self Portraits Art Exhibition (pics here) (http://www.vanessa-carlton.net/pictures/categories.php?cat_id=37) almost exactly 2 years ago :D
Whoa, that's a good point. V is cool. Foolish fans are not.
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Chris: "boobies!"
I was watching that episode the other day. Such classic.
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And fyi, nude pictures don't have to be porn.
:heart:
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The article mentions nothing about "nudity" or anything being exposed. It says "breasts and genitals carefully covered". It doesn't seem like a big deal at all.
Dan/NS
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The article mentions nothing about "nudity" or anything being exposed. It says "breasts and genitals carefully covered". It doesn't seem like a big deal at all.
Dan/NS
exactly....some people just over react.
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And fyi, nude pictures don't have to be porn.
:heart:
You know it ;)
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And fyi, nude pictures don't have to be porn.
Exactly! Now to get Carrie nude. LOL
Actually it's my fault. I put a voodoo spell on the pomegranates I gave her to make her do nude pictures. J/K LMAO
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And fyi, nude pictures don't have to be porn.
Exactly! Now to get Carrie nude. LOL
Werd!! ROFL
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Michelle on MAXIM was awesome. It was cool, becuase it was different and unexpected. I really don't think that Michelle doing the MAXIM shoot makes her a slut, since she hasn't done anything else like that since. Some people are uptight, and insecure..
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I agree, I thought Michelle looked hawt.
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I didnt like it that much actually lol. she;s had better :lol:
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I really don't think that Michelle doing the MAXIM shoot makes her a slut, since she hasn't done anything else like that since.
I don't think she's a slut either, but your logic is flawed. She's not Britney or Christina. There probably hasn't been a real demand for a Michelle repeat performance. Now if you said you don't think Michelle is a slut because she was and still is in a monogomous relationship, that would make more sense.
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I meant she doesn't usually dress like that. She said herself she was having fun and doing something different. On her CD covers, she wears clothes (Christina had no shirt on "Stripped"). In her video, she wears clothes (Britney was naked in Toxic, Christina wore chaps in Dirrty). I'm saying it was a once-so-far thing for Michelle. I don't think it was a flawed statement. She is dressed at awards shows, and all that.
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I think Shades is saying that your BEHAVIOR qualifies you as a slut, as opposed to what you wear. Girls who wear jeans and t-shirts but continually have multiple sexual partners could be considered sluts, whereas someone who dresses in miniskirts and tube tops but has been married to the same guy for 10 years without cheating on him is not a slut.
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Ahhh the number of times this argument has gone round in circles- with Michelle and now with Vanessa. People making the point that she can do what she wants are right, but that doesn't stop other people being affected by her decision. If you personally are not affected by her decision because you don't object to it, then fair play to you (i am in the same camp as you). But don't dismiss other people and their opinions who are affected by it. They have an equally valid point as well- that vanessa seems to have conveyed the message that she wouldn't do anything like this.
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I don't know how anyone can respect that. Michelle looked like a christina, like everyone. I was so proud that Nessa was diffrent, and now she's just the same, like all the britneys and christinas. I'm sad. I realy think about to let her fall cos thats something i just cant agree with. I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo dissapointed. Why did she did it. :cry:
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saphire: have you seen Vanessa's picture yet? It is nothing like Michelle's MAXIM shoot, or like anything Christina or Britney have ever done. She has a huge necklace on and her hair is down. The picture cuts off at her stomach, if it ever goes that far. And it's just a tiny little picture in the bottom right hand corner of the page (I was pissed about that). Not worth buying. It was more worth buying because of Jason Mraz. For as liberal as Vanessa is, some of these hardcore fans around here seem to be very uptight about this issue. Lighten up.
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Nudity can be beautiful. Nudity doesn't have to be crass or pornography.
I understand that this will disappoint some people, but I think it's unfair to classify her with Britney, Christina, etc, because then you'd have to classify any model who posed nude for a photoshoot, for a painting... All those women in paintings from the 1700s, etc, when nudity was REALLY taboo, all the nude ones, are they all sluts, too?
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saphire: have you seen Vanessa's picture yet? It is nothing like Michelle's MAXIM shoot, or like anything Christina or Britney have ever done. She has a huge necklace on and her hair is down. The picture cuts off at her stomach, if it ever goes that far. And it's just a tiny little picture in the bottom right hand corner of the page (I was pissed about that).
Errr, where did you find the pic? Can you scan it please?
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Oh. I saw this issue last week in the grocery store. It's already out here. I was hoing for a full page pic. But it was tiny. Jason Mraz's was hot.. But Vanessa's was so small I didn't buy it, so I don't have it. Just saw it. Sorry kid.
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It's sooooooooooooooo not a big deal. Wanna know a secret? I posed semi-nude for my boyfriend (a photographer) last night. And the pictures look really cool! You can't see anything obscene...the photos are just pretty. :)
Vanessa is the farthest thing from a slut...but even if she wasn't, why would that affect the way you hear her music? We're fans of her MUSIC!
There's my 2 cents. :wink:
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Oh. I saw this issue last week in the grocery store. It's already out here. I was hoing for a full page pic. But it was tiny. Jason Mraz's was hot.. But Vanessa's was so small I didn't buy it, so I don't have it. Just saw it. Sorry kid.
Ew Mraz's is nasty.
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It's sooooooooooooooo not a big deal. Wanna know a secret? I posed semi-nude for my boyfriend (a photographer) last night. And the pictures look really cool! You can't see anything obscene...the photos are just pretty. :)
Vanessa is the farthest thing from a slut...but even if she wasn't, why would that affect the way you hear her music? We're fans of her MUSIC!
There's my 2 cents. :wink:
EW YOU'RE A FUCKING WHORE!!! 8O :x
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Why, thank you!
:D
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And I thought that you were so much more than that
*is disappointed*
The point is that I doubt anyone here will suddenly be upset with you for posing half-nude or whatever, whereas Vanessa is getting a thousand fingers wagged at her.
I say good for you, good for Nessa. You're both pretty girls who are lucky to be comfortable enough with your bodies to pose for artistic (half) nude shots.
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Yes, I understand your point...and I agree with you 1,000%!!
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so it;s out?
I have a wedding to go to tonight so I'll get it and scan tomorow....
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did you know that America is the most sexually-repressed nation in the world? well, i think it's okay to talk about sex, but not in a perverted, dirty kind of way. i mean, that's how we all got here, is it?
and as for someone saying that they never recalled Van saying she would never pose nude for a magazine, there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with you memory, b/c she said it more than 2 years ago in a interview for NBC's 'DATELINE'. it just goes to show that, like my sisters used to always tell me, that 'you should NEVER say what you're never GONNA do'. and i thought that Christina Aguilera [one of my favorite female vocalists] was skanky when she posed nude for the cover of 'Rolling Stone' magazine back in Fall '02.
after all, Beyonce said she would never pose nude, but yet she and the other 2 members of Destiny's Child were naked in their latest video, 'Cater 2 U'.
all i have to say is that i have lost respect for Vanessa and i'll be boycotting her music for a while now. i mean, i can kinda understand why Harmonium did pretty badly, b/c i almost regretted buying the album when i first bought it, but then it had to grow on me, b/c there were some songs that i found quite boring. i know i'm not the only one that feels this way.
but i'm the one to talk, though, b/c i would do the same thing too, even though i probably don't have the best body in the world, but it's what's on the inside and how comfortable you are in your skin that matters more, no?
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did you know that America is the most sexually-repressed nation in the world?
LOL. Thats the biggest load of bollocks i've heard in a while.
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i can see that you're from England, so you don't know what you're talking about, b/c as an American [a NATIVE one, mind you,] i know what my country's all about, and we happen to be one of the most sexually-immoral nations in the world. i've seen enough to know that. i say that because we pervert sex and decency at every turn, and it's only gonna get worse with time, so i don't plan to delude myself by sticking my head in the sand when it comes to the facts.
moreover, i know that Vanessa's Anti-Bush, which i find questionable, and i was always taught to beware of people [ESPECIALLY celebs] who trash-talk our current president of the U.S. he won the election, so people really need to get over themselves, b/c there's nothing they can do about it now. i don't condone a lot of the decisions he makes, but he's gonna be our leader until 2008, so it's over and done with.
Vanessa's nothing but a fucking hypocrite, and it's not her place to judge anyone who sells sex [a la Britney Spears and Xtina Aguilera, who can actually SING] to sell records, b/c she's just as guilty as they are. i hope someone slaps her the next time she does it. i already knew she wasn't perfect, but THIS?! i guess it's b/c her album's doing badly. i plan to boycott her music for a while.
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all i have to say is that i have lost respect for Vanessa and i'll be boycotting her music for a while now.way.
Youre making me upset, why the fuck would you boycott her music?! V has a beautiful body she deserves to show it off and she can do whatever the fuck she wants! Its your decision, but boycotting her music because she prolly wanted to have some fun and and ARTISITIC shoot is bullshit! Youre such a true fan :roll: Her body, her choice. Im gald she made that desicion, cause shes hot! So get over yourself!
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Vanessa's nothing but a fucking hypocrite, and it's not her place to judge anyone who sells sex [a la Britney Spears and Xtina Aguilera, who can actually SING] to sell records, b/c she's just as guilty as they are. i hope someone slaps her the next time she does it. i already knew she wasn't perfect, but THIS?!
WTF, have you heard "Do Something". Britney cannot sing for shit! Christina can sing, but that's a whole different story. Also, if you're going to criticize Vanessa or her fans, LEARN SOME FUCKING ENGLISH.
moreover, i know that Vanessa's Anti-Bush, which i find questionable, and i was always taught to beware of people [ESPECIALLY celebs] who trash-talk our current president of the U.S. he won the election, so people really need to get over themselves, b/c there's nothing they can do about it now. i don't condone a lot of the decisions he makes, but he's gonna be our leader until 2008, so it's over and done with.
And this is relevant to the topic because....?
i can see that you're from England, so you don't know what you're talking about, b/c as an American [a NATIVE one, mind you,] i know what my country's all about,
Umm, that's kind of not true. Rosie probably knows more about the US than you do. You are saying that other countries don't have porn or sexual perversion. Sex sells music in other countries too. Holly Valance can't sing and she is a big artist, because she uses sex to sell music.
Please go away, VanessaPiana.
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And VanessaPiana if you dont think VC can sing...why the hell are you here? Im with Jophess, go away!
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well, boycotting her music goes deeper than the fact that she posed nude for a magazine, so i really think you need to get all of the facts [straight] b/f you pass judgement. besides, there's more to life [and a person] than talent, b/c i know people who got a lot of talent who either waste it, or have the wrong attitude. besides, if i'ma like [or love] a person, it's gonna be b/c of who they are and their character, not b/c they're talented.
i don't have the sexiest body in the world, but i'm proud of how God made me, b/c i know no one else has a body like mine. i have imperfections, but i accept them, b/c a lot of them have fallen by the wayside, anyway, and don't determine my value as a person. everyone would be much happier if they had the same attitude.
moreover, Beyonce [Kelly and Michelle] are naked in their new video 'Cater 2 U', but i'm not gonna boycott their music. you're probably wondering what's the difference. well, i can't exactly put it into words for you, but i guess it's b/c i favor them more and Vanessa happens to be Anti-Bush, and that ain't cool to me. plus, i'm more likely to look down on females when they do that than males, even though i'm a female myself [before anyone calls me a chauvanistic pig]. i don't know why, but that's just my tendency. it's just who i am.
if you think it's okay that Van do that, then that's you, but i don't feel the same way you do, so you really don't have to give me the breeze, b/c i disagree with how a lot of others feel up here. if i lose interest in her, then you'll have to respect that. you ask that i respect Van's desicion [and your oppinion] to pose on the cover of magazine, even though we won't agree, have you? so don't contradict yourself. i'm not just talking to you, but to anyone who's reading this. besides, despite her so-called 'wholesome' image, which was a load of bunk to start with, Vanessa has never struck me as a person of high morals.
last time i checked, if you don't want to look up to a celeb, [which is unhealthy at times] you don't have to, b/c a lot of those overpaid people have diva-ish attitudes as well as no morals, so I could careless about most of them. and i believe if you REALLY knew them, you wouldn't like them anymore. moreover, if you admire them, all you're gonna see is their career success and not their success in their personal lives [which they work so hard to keep from the public].
and i didn't say that Britney could sing. i said XTINA could. Van tends to sound really pitchy sometimes when she's performing. she doesn't even use her vibrato, except in 'C'est la Vie'.
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Please do go away! I believe you also wrote about her on the oboard and I can't believe you call yourself a fan!
(You can read what is writtenabout her at the O board or here at the bottom http://vanessacarlton.com/bboard/forumname/viewtopic.asp?TopicID=1553008&pivot=14102581&topic=STARS%20GET%20NAKED%20FOR%20JANE
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did you know that America is the most sexually-repressed nation in the world?
i can see that you're from England, so you don't know what you're talking about, b/c as an American [a NATIVE one, mind you,] i know what my country's all about, and we happen to be one of the most sexually-immoral nations in the world. i've seen enough to know that. i say that because we pervert sex and decency at every turn, and it's only gonna get worse with time, so i don't plan to delude myself by sticking my head in the sand when it comes to the facts.
You (not Rosie) have no idea what you are talking about. Please come back when you understand the meaning of "sexually-repressed" and "sexually-immoral." They are not the same thing.
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well, boycotting her music goes deeper than the fact that she posed nude for a magazine, so i really think you need to get all of the facts [straight] b/f you pass judgement
VanessaPiana you just went agaisnt yourself...haha! how do you know it wasnt just for fun!?!?! huh!?!? huh!?!?
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no, YOU'RE the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. and you don't even KNOW if i even went against myself. and what are you doing, stalking me now? besides, i've always like Vanessa more for her Piano skills than her singing, b/c i'm a piano fanatic myself, b/c i think her piano skills outdo her singing.
and by the way, you're not gonna get me to agree with you about what Vanessa did, so give it up. and as for me going against myself, you know what you're talking about. you don't know my motive for saying what i said, so you need to stop judging me, b/c you don't know WHY i said it. and like i said, EMMYSPIANO, you're a native of England, so it's really not your place to say what America's about. i didn't say that America was the MOST immoral nation in the world, i SAID it was 'one of the most immoral nations in the world', so get you facts straight and stop stretching them.
if there's one thing i know for sure, once someone's got their mind made up about something, you're not gonna change it. my opinions are my opinions, and i WILL NOT apologize for stating them, even if i ruffle feathers in the process.
you know what's ironic? years ago, i resented Xtina for turning into a reprobate, but now i understand why she did it, looking back on it. she just got to the point she was gonna do what she wanted, and stopped giving a fuck what people thought or said about her, and i give her a thumbs-up for it. and i would sure do the same if i was in her shoes.
that said, i'm not gonna sit up here and argue with you, b/c like i said, i'm not gonna change my opinions or apologize for what i believe just to please y'all. i just simply said that i wasn't gonna listen to her anymore, and you guys act as if you can't accept and respect it, b/c i've been as nice as i could so far. but if you can't handle it, then that's YOUR problem; not mine. it's not like i'ma die if i stop listening to her.
i just stated my opinion, and you guys act as if you can't handle it as mature, civil adults. like i've always told my sister, 'if you don't agree with my opinions, even if they're wrong, then you just dismiss it as it being "just my opinion"'. i have no hard feelings towards, Vanessa, nor do i hate her, [i still like her] i just don't have any more respect for her and don't plan to listen to her anymore. all i have to say is i wish her the best on the success of her next record, and to the fans that listen to her, take it or leave it. Peace. :)
-VanessaPiana (Elicia)
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Since when the fuck am I a native of England?! And Im not trying to make you agree dumbass, Im just saying its kind of stupid to boycott her wonderful kick ass music because of her desicion. duh. I give up on you, youre not worth it.
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Since when the fuck am I a native of England?!
LMAO! Aren't you from New York? :lol:
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yes lmao
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She has confused Rosie with Emmy. 8O
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eep 8O
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How can she judge if she hasn't even seen the picture?
And how can V be using sex to sell her records if it's from the waist up and her boobs are covered?
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I remember her saying in a radio interview that women should know their power by holding on to their clothes or something like that
when they asked her about xtina I think.
well, I hope the photoshoot looks pretty :)
and well, it´s always more harmonium promotion :lol:
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did you know that America is the most sexually-repressed nation in the world?
LOL. Thats the biggest load of bollocks i've heard in a while.
We are highly sexually repressed here. One peek at a breast and there's a national uproar. That is why we have a lot of the problems with violence and other things in the country in my opinion.
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I agree, Steve. People freak out way too much over that stuff. Like even here when Dora posted those old pics of Nessa where she's wearing that see-through shirt and everyone was like OMFG A NIPPLE!!!!!!!!!!! 8O
It was just a nipple :?
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moreover, i know that Vanessa's Anti-Bush, which i find questionable, and i was always taught to beware of people [ESPECIALLY celebs] who trash-talk our current president of the U.S. he won the election, so people really need to get over themselves, b/c there's nothing they can do about it now. i don't condone a lot of the decisions he makes, but he's gonna be our leader until 2008, so it's over and done with.
We might be stuck with him until the next election but I thought the reason we are fighting wars is to uphold our right to dissent if we want. Everyone is entitled to their opinions (even celebrities.)
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please post the picture. When the pictures are like desperado siad it shouldnt be that shocking. I heard the word nude and thought of maxime pics. I want to see the pictures
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please post the picture. When the pictures are like desperado siad it shouldnt be that shocking. I heard the word nude and thought of maxime pics. I want to see the pictures
It's not a big deal at all. It doesn't even look like a professional photo...kinda like casual vacation type of thing. The January 2005 issue of Interview mag is a MUCH better investment than this issue of Jane.
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Hey I have a fantastic idea.
Lets wait until we see the images before we decide who's music, if any, we are boycotting.
Thanks.
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did you know that America is the most sexually-repressed nation in the world?
i can see that you're from England, so you don't know what you're talking about, b/c as an American [a NATIVE one, mind you,] i know what my country's all about, and we happen to be one of the most sexually-immoral nations in the world. i've seen enough to know that. i say that because we pervert sex and decency at every turn, and it's only gonna get worse with time, so i don't plan to delude myself by sticking my head in the sand when it comes to the facts.
You (not Rosie) have no idea what you are talking about. Please come back when you understand the meaning of "sexually-repressed" and "sexually-immoral." They are not the same thing.
LMAO, she's thick as a fucking plank Will- i think we shouldn't bother. I actually cannot stop laughing at this girl. She is:
a) illiterate
b)stupid
Steveau- America is the country that sells sex at every opportunity, saying you are a very sexually repressed nation just isn't true (look at your magazines, tv shows, advertising) and also an inaccurate use of Freud's term.
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America does sell sex at every opportunity, but the general public also freaks out every time someone is naked.
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America does sell sex at every opportunity, but the general public also freaks out every time someone is naked.
I know, its odd! But definitely not sexually repressed. It doesn't really make much sense in this context.
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No, I don't think sexually-repressed is the appropriate term, either. I was thinking just "weird" and "hypocritical." :?
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first of all, i KNOW the difference between the words immoral and repressed. you don't have to tell me twice. and Emmyspiano, apologies for the mistake. when i was talking about England, i was referring to Rosieposy87. my bad.
and like i said again, what i meant by America being ONE OF THE most sexually-repressed nations [not THE MOST] in the world, it meant that we have all of the wrong ideas about sex, or else there wouldn't be so many people getting raped, molested, having babies outta wedlock, and so on. and to be honest, the older generation and the media in general plays a huge part in it. i don't consider sex dirty, but society makes it out to be by perverting it at every turn.
and as for all the haters that are posting hateful things, i could careless what you say, so you can call me all the names and laugh all you want, b/c it don't bother me. it just shows how immature YOU are, you're really no better than i am. maybe you're just saying that you're laughing just to get a reaction outta me. in your dreams.
if i WAS ignorant, then how come the people that know and encounter me tell me i have knowledge beyond my years, b/c of the things and issues i talk about, that people don't normally talk about? after all, people can sense things about you, even if they don't know you. if you're insecure, they sense it, but if you're confident, they're gonna be drawn to it.
you say that i'm making a big deal outta Vanessa's decision to pose nude, then why are you contradicting yourselves by making a big deal outta my decision to not to listen to her anymore, simply b/c i was disappointed in her? boy, you guys act as if i'm commiting some HUGE crime and it's the end of the world. last time i checked, Van is only a human being and it's not like i'm going to hell [or die] if i stop listening to her. you may not say it, but that's what you're implying. if you think i'm missing out, then good, i will, then.
if you think i'm making a big deal outta this, then how come a fan posted months ago, complaining that Vanessa snubbed them when they met her backstage [b/c she was afraid they had germs and she didn't want to get sick]? i was in denial then, assuming that that person was lying, to get attention, but more likely than not, i believe that they were telling the truth. and to be honest, i don't much respect for stars who snub their fans, b/c they could potentially do me that way if i met them. i woulda stopped following her then.
oh, and what about last Christmas when some of you complained about Vanessa's lack of class when she was featured in BLENDER Magazine? to be honest, i didn't like it much either, but i took it as a grain of salt, b/c she was the one making a spectacle of herself, not me, i had no comment about it and overlooked it. and as for her saying that Jesus was some uppity Jew, she was either joking or insulting her own race, b/c if my memory serves me right, she's part Jew herself.
you know i tell you who's more talented than her, but i don't wanna get into with y'all about who's more talented, b/c we have different views and opinions in that area.
now, i can understand that everyone's view of what's right and wrong is different, but that doesn't excuse resorting to name-calling just b/c someone disagreed with you, b/c i think that that's rather lame, immature, and a sign of insecurity and tyranny. besides, what will THAT solve? i can believe whatever i want, and i don't have to mold myself to soceity and their usual beliefs if i don't want to, even if that makes me an outcast, b/c i don't plan to apologize for what i've believe, b/c i won't be a traitor to what i've been taught. Vanessa isn't a follower of the music industry's methods of selling records, isn't she?
last time i checked, Vanessa is not some deity and i don't have to follow her and support her art if i don't want to. America is a free country, and i can follow who and whatever you want. besides, i think it's weird that y'all defend Vanessa, and you don't even KNOW her. it's one thing if you know her personally, but it's most likely you don't. you may like her music, or even her on-camera persona, but it's about as far as it goes, b/c you don't know Vanessa the Person. i'm sure she has a web of support from her family and friends, hence, she doesn't need y'all comin' to her defense. besides, she's not gonna be around forever.
that's why i joined forums to start with, b/c i'm a firm believer that your opinion is important, even if there's disagreement every now and then. you wouldn't disown your loved ones, simply b/c they disagree with you about some of their beliefs, would you? i know I wouldn't, b/c that's shallow not to mention downright foolish and stupid. i love my family and i think it's great we see things differently, b/c that's what makes the world go round. like i heard someone anonymous say, 'There are as many opinions as there are a**holes; everyone has one.'
now, you guys act as if yours is more important than mine, just b/c you don't agree with what i believe. and i don't really have to argue my point and explain myself, b/c people are either gonna get you or they won't. they music industry isn't gonna grasp what the concept of good music is, and i think if they don't now, they never will. i believe your voice is important, take it or leave it. with that said, i like hearing what people got to say, even though i may not always agree.
moreover, i hope y'all give this a rest and end all the bad blood, name-calling, and bickering, b/c it's not really getting anyone anywhere. fighting hate with hate will only bring hate, so i have no annomosity, malice, nor hate towards you, even though we have different opinions about Vanessa stripping down to her birthday suit,:lol:, so i forgive you, take it or leave it. i've done my part. so i have this to tell you, and i mean it; i love you guys, and wish Vanessa and the people that listen to her the best. i rest my case. it's been real. PEACE. :D
-Elicia (VanessaPiana)
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Can you please just go away?
We've read far too many of your little rants. Just leave us alone, boycott Vanessa, I don't care what you do just as long as you don't do it here.
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i wasn't ranting; i was being civil. *blows kisses and lights candles for haters* :D
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LOL...I saw the picture and she might as well not be "nude" at all. The necklace(s) she's wearing is so ginormous that it's like wearing a shirt! There's NOTHING revealing about it! And there's nothing sexy about it either...except the fact that it's Vanessa and she's always sexy, no matter what. :wink:
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Shannon, can you scan and post the pic?
So we can finally see what the fuss is all about...
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well, i just wished someone had told me sooner. got me all bug-eyed and stuff. :oops: :lol: and do they have the picture yet? i just want this feud to be over once and for all. :)i thought that it was gonna be like that nude photo shoot that those group of women did for VANITY FAIR and what the Dixie Chicks did for 'Entertainment Weekly'.
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OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!111111!!!!1!! WHAT A WHORE...I THINK I SEE NIPPLE.
here's the pic by the way. very nice...and very tasteful
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/bdubprod/VanessainJaneMag.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/bdubprod/JaneMagCaption.jpg)
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you beat me by four hours :evil:
but for the sake of my 4 dollars :lol:
http://vanessa-carlton.ws/gallery//displayimage.php?pos=-4168
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she even has a bra/bikini top on (or it looks like it) so gosh. And she looks beautiful :-)
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she even has a bra/bikini top on (or it looks like it) so gosh. And she looks beautiful :-)
that's what my girlfriend said, but i dont see it.
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We've read far too many of your little rants.
Little? Seems like a lot of random venting, much of which has nothing to do with an over-hyped pic of V. Maybe be it's therapeutic for her.
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We've read far too many of your little rants.
Little? Seems like a lot of random venting, much of which has nothing to do with an over-hyped pic of V. Maybe be it's therapeutic for her.
blah. *ignores*
*cough*gnoranceisblissandletspeopleknowothersdontcare*cough*
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Wtf? People were panicking about THAT picture?? She looks gorgeous!!
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if i WAS ignorant, then how come the people that know and encounter me tell me i have knowledge beyond my years, b/c of the things and issues i talk about, that people don't normally talk about?
I've been told that same thing. Plus, I have a sigma 3+ IQ. I've held positions of authority and responsibility that would destroy most kids my age. 1 4rt 13373r 7h4n j00. Big friggin deal. So everything I say is automatically right, correct? Nah.... that's just a worthless ethical appeal. Learn a thing or two about rhetoric, ok? Arguments are won their merits, not on the merits of the presenter, unless, of course, the argument is being presented to idiots. All the appeal to authority in the world doesn't make sexual repression and promiscuity mutually compatible.
that's why i joined forums to start with, b/c i'm a firm believer that your opinion is important, even if there's disagreement every now and then.... now, you guys act as if yours is more important than mine, just b/c you don't agree with what i believe. and i don't really have to argue my point and explain myself, b/c people are either gonna get you or they won't.
I disagree that all opinions are important. Most are worthless. A small fraction of them are actually insightful, and thus, worthwhile. But, of course, this is my opinion. It's just as important as yours, right? :roll:
Additionally, if your opinion doesn't hold up under scrutiny, it doesn't mean that people don't get it. Often, it means they get better than you and they see why it's wrong. Most of us are simply too proud to change our minds a lot of the time, myself included.
I have no beef against you. I just wish you'd argue somewhat rationally.
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come on guys. let it go! all they want is attention!
Vanessa is hot, lets talk about that instead lol
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come on guys. let it go! all they want is attention!
Vanessa is hot, lets talk about that instead lol
you're so right...but there is so much more to V than her hotness :D
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it's not that bad of a picture. It isnt half as bad as the others and it doesnt show a thing
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Ha ha... Mandi will probably kill me when she reads this, but I was thinking that it was gonna be all like Michelle in Maxim. I'm slightly disappointed. :-P
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come on guys. let it go! all they want is attention!
Vanessa is hot, lets talk about that instead lol
you're so right...but there is so much more to V than her hotness :D
well yeah but...gah you get it dont you LOL
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come on guys. let it go! all they want is attention!
Vanessa is hot, lets talk about that instead lol
you're so right...but there is so much more to V than her hotness :D
well yeah but...gah you get it dont you LOL
yes....yes i do :D
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She's beautiful. :D
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Steveau- America is the country that sells sex at every opportunity, saying you are a very sexually repressed nation just isn't true (look at your magazines, tv shows, advertising) and also an inaccurate use of Freud's term.
This is a capitalist country and sex sells so yeah we do sell sex BUT our views of sex in this country are highly repressed and puritanical. Let's just examine Janet Jackson. She exposes a breast for less than a second and the country still hasn't gotten over it. The Terrell Owens Desperate Housewives Monday Night Football teaser gets a national apology and it only contained implied nudity. I'll bet in England there wouldn't be an uproar over such minor things. Just because we use sex to sell products doesn't mean we have a highly evolved view of sex. We can't even have condom commercials on network stations until just recently.
Okay repressed may be the wrong description but we are highly immature when it comes to sex. We're sexually-distorted. Satisfied?
All these Viagra commercials have given me a case of penis enhancements envy too!
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Well, geez, there's not much to that pic at all. We don't even get to see where her butt meets her thighs!! :( :razz:
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I freakin' love this "nude" picture of her...she looks extra gorgeous.
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For a nude picture, I thought the one of Vanessa was rather tasteful.
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That doesn't count as nude. Rip off!
;-)
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That doesn't count as nude. Rip off!
;-)
WERD!!!!11!! :P
The pic is awesome. HQ anyone, puuuuh-lease?
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The pic is awesome. HQ anyone, puuuuh-lease?
sorry about the quality of the scan....i made it smaller b/c in the larger pic, she looked like she had scales and it was just weird :lol:
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The pic is awesome. HQ anyone, puuuuh-lease?
sorry about the quality of the scan....i made it smaller b/c in the larger pic, she looked like she had scales and it was just weird :lol:
my scanner sucks.
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The pic is awesome. HQ anyone, puuuuh-lease?
sorry about the quality of the scan....i made it smaller b/c in the larger pic, she looked like she had scales and it was just weird :lol:
my scanner sucks.
mine is just weird...when I scan images, they turn out very strange looking.
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atheohieo
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Aaaaand we would know that how? :?
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sorry about the quality of the scan....i made it smaller b/c in the larger pic, she looked like she had scales and it was just weird :lol:
my scanner sucks.
mine is just weird...when I scan images, they turn out very strange looking.
Your scan is better considering the low set lighting of what resembles a grove
of bamboo. You should have the option to remove moire patterns somewhere
in the software that came with your scanner; unless it sucks like Dora's :oops: :P
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sorry about the quality of the scan....i made it smaller b/c in the larger pic, she looked like she had scales and it was just weird :lol:
my scanner sucks.
mine is just weird...when I scan images, they turn out very strange looking.
Your scan is better considering the low set lighting of what resembles a grove
of bamboo. You should have the option to remove moire patterns somewhere
in the software that came with your scanner; unless it sucks like Dora's :oops: :P
:cry: at least I try right lol
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Your scan is better considering the low set lighting of what resembles a grove
of bamboo. You should have the option to remove moire patterns somewhere
in the software that came with your scanner; unless it sucks like Dora's :oops: :P
probably...i haven't read too much on how to use that specific scanner...the one I have at work is much better, the one at home seems more complicated and i'm just too lazy to take the time to figure out the software :razz:
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That doesn't count as nude. Rip off!
;-)
WERD!!!!11!! :P
The pic is awesome. HQ anyone, puuuuh-lease?
It's so Blue Lagoon!
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Omg, that was so scandelous that I'm not going to go see the most awesome concert ever with Vanessa and Stevie Nicks.
Pfffft.
</sarcasm>
Seriously, its tasteful and artsy, and actually all the celebrity pictures in there were pretty nice. Although I could have done without seeing Jason Mraz naked. I thought he was totally cute before I saw that one... :p
Vanessa has, however, shown me that I need to go on a massive diet. So if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go run now. And maybe eat some tofutti afterwards. And no bread for dinner. :p
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She looks absolutely gorgeous... so tasteful.
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I actually saw it today at CVS. I was in there to get things for someone else, and I saw 'Jane' on the rack, so I flipped it open and found her. Anyone hoping for an HQ scan, bear this in mind: HQ is a relative term! The pic itself isn't even HQ; it's really dotty. But she is beautiful. :D
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I actually saw it today at CVS. I was in there to get things for someone else, and I saw 'Jane' on the rack, so I flipped it open and found her. Anyone hoping for an HQ scan, bear this in mind: HQ is a relative term! The pic itself isn't even HQ; it's really dotty. But she is beautiful. :D
Hi-Res will be good too.
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When I heard that VC was going to be "nude" I was worried.
But after seeing the picture, I really do think it was very tasteful and not really "nude".
I hope this "Exposure" does encourage some JANE readers to want to learn more about VC and check out her music!
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Hi-Res will be good too.
i tried scanning at a higher res, but it's too larger, so i can't host it.
i've got a 6MB and a 30MB pic :D
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Hi-Res will be good too.
i tried scanning at a higher res, but it's too larger, so i can't host it.
i've got a 6MB and a 30MB pic :D
Email them to me! :D
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Hi-Res will be good too.
i tried scanning at a higher res, but it's too larger, so i can't host it.
i've got a 6MB and a 30MB pic :D
Email them to me! :D
what's your e-mail address? :mrgreen:
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Seriously, its tasteful and artsy, and actually all the celebrity pictures in there were pretty nice. Although I could have done without seeing Jason Mraz naked. I thought he was totally cute before I saw that one... :p
i didn't know that men stripped for the shoot, also. i thought it was just women. but wow, though. and more power to him. :)
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Ha ha... Mandi will probably kill me when she reads this, but I was thinking that it was gonna be all like Michelle in Maxim. I'm slightly disappointed. :-P
oh im sorry your disspointed babe! :evil:
actually its a good picture,she looks goregous.
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so when does that issue hit the news stands?
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so when does that issue hit the news stands?
it's on sale now.
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Ha ha... Mandi will probably kill me when she reads this, but I was thinking that it was gonna be all like Michelle in Maxim. I'm slightly disappointed. :-P
oh im sorry your disspointed babe! :evil:
actually its a good picture,she looks goregous.
she looks a little plain to me. i saw the issue last Saturday in Harris Teeter. i didn't know they put men there, too. they only mentioned women. some pics were a lot better than others.
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Yeah, it wasn't even worth seeing...they didn't glam her up or anything, I was dissapointed......maybe next time :wink:
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go nessa! I hate how people are going to start calling her a "slut" or whatever..I mean, people sure dont complain when a guy does it....
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wait the pic is out?? can someone post it please
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America does sell sex at every opportunity, but the general public also freaks out every time someone is naked.
yep...
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oh, nevermind, i found the pic..its cute..Her body looks so natural and nice.
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go nessa! I hate how people are going to start calling her a "slut" or whatever..I mean, people sure dont complain when a guy does it....
of course not. it's b/c it's not as slutty when guy does it.
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I bought it a few weeks ago JUST because it has a naked picture of Vanessa Carlton in it. I couldn't even find it, so I had to ask someone. When it ended up to be in the women's section of periodicals I had that very small twinge of a feeling similiar to when you are a guy and you go buy Tampax. Not that I care. I've bought Tampax before.
tylor
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go nessa! I hate how people are going to start calling her a "slut" or whatever..I mean, people sure dont complain when a guy does it....
of course not. it's b/c it's not as slutty when guy does it.
Of course not? That's a sexist attitude. Look it up.
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I've bought Tampax before.
tylor
Too much info! Too much info!! 8O
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I've bought Tampax before.
tylor
Too much info! Too much info!! 8O
LOL, for someone else dude. It's like when your girlfreind or wife asks you to go pick them up for them. But yeah, to much info. :oops:
tylor
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Can somebody scan the picture of Vanessa in the magazine called "Jane"
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Can somebody scan the picture of Vanessa in the magazine called "Jane"
have you looked in the first few pages? ;)
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go nessa! I hate how people are going to start calling her a "slut" or whatever..I mean, people sure dont complain when a guy does it....
of course not. it's b/c it's not as slutty when guy does it.
Of course not? That's a sexist attitude. Look it up.
i'm not being sexist. i'm a female myself. it just seems more slutty when a woman does it. it's just my tendency.