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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: desperado on November 21, 2005, 10:10:01 am
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Wow, i just read Vanessa's new post, and she says she hopes to have the whole record done before she goes to Australia, and I believe that is early 2006, right? Like February or so? That just seems like such a SHORT time for her to work an an album. Harmonium took forever compared to this one, if it does indeed become completed by the time she leaves. I am not complaining; I am completely impatient. The more Vanessa albums I get the happier I am. I just want this one to be really good and for her to get everything she deserves for her talent.
I wonder what her new creative thing was (I forget what she called it and I don't want to go back). I also wonder if Stephen is involved with this record at all (I kind of hope not...). Are they even still together?
What do you all think?
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when did she say that she was going to aus in early '06??
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She's opening for Stevie Nicks there in February, I think. They've got a bunch of shows listed on the live shows forum on this board...wish I could go to Australia, too!
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when did she say that she was going to aus in early '06??
she posted that last night on the o-board
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So what do you all think? Doesn't it seem kind of fast to have done an album, especially for someone like her? I wonder if it really is finished before she goes, when we will get it.
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I don't think it's too fast at all, I just think we got too used to waiting the last time and now our perception of between-albums-time is different .
If she's got enough songs, then great! and I'm sure by now she has a lot more sutdio time practise, so she can do things faster and get things done without waste of time, i suppose... I think it's great news :D
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I definately am excited for it. And RELIEVED that we may not have to wait a long, long time.
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I also wonder if Stephen is involved with this record at all (I kind of hope not...). Are they even still together?
Yes and yes.
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He is involved? Hmm... I liked Harmonium, so I guess it can't be so bad. What makes you say he for sure is involved? For some reason I feel like is an ass and pretty controlling of Vanessa. I don't know why I think that.
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I know for sure.
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For some reason I feel like he is an ass and pretty controlling of Vanessa. I don't know why I think that.
i agree...first thing I picked up on when watching "Pleased to Meet You"
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I agree as well.
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I disagree...I mean, I didn't get that feeling. I don't think Vanessa would LET him "control" her. Seems to me they give and take with each other quite well.
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I hope for this album:
- This Time and Put Your Hands On Me are even more amazing and beautiful suonding than we have heard yet
- Linda Perry or Vanessa alone is involved more than Stephen
- it's more personal like Be Not Nobody instead of story-telling like Harmonium tended to be
- there is at least one fast-paced, rocking song like Unsung on Be Not Nobody and Private Radio on Harmonium
- she get the recognition and cerdit she deserves
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I hope for this album:
- she get the recognition and cerdit she deserves
Yes.. I hope she gets it! and I like This time more than PYHOM
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I hope so too :) shes really earned it
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Do we know if she has any other songs with Linda Perry? This Time is one of ym favorites ever, and Linda is a good lyricist. I hope Linda appears on a few songs.
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i cannot wait for the third album. i love hearing the versions of PYHOM, this time, the one and best behavior. you aussie fans are in for SUCH a treat in february, so happy for you all!!!!!
i feel really good about the new songs and the fact that stevie has taken vanessa under her wing lately, i feel like theres a lot more confidence and professionalism in this album now that she has grown as a person and an artist from the last two.
needless to say, whatever happens i'll still adore anything she puts out for us!!!!!!
<3mellsy :lol:
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I have to agree, not to hate on Stephan, but I don't know if I want him involved in this record....I mean I LOVED Harmonium, but it seemed like he tried to take alot of credit for it....oh well.....it does seem like this album was completed fast, but then again, we are pretty used to waiting :rainbowafro: BUT I AM SO HAPPY THAT SHE IS ALMOST FINISHED WITH IT!!!!! YAY! :dances:
Oh and she BETTER release PYHOM as a single, because that would totally go numba one on the charts, it's a phenominal song!
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Let me interject something at this point. I've watched the studio footage with SJ and VC, and what he is doing is taking charge of the situation and getting the performance he wants from Vanessa. He's teetering on the edge of a tense situation, but he is handling it well. He's doing what a producer does. A producer, at any given moment, needs to be an engineer, coach, psychologist, devil's advocate, and about 20 other things. First and foremost, he must get a performance recorded and maintain focus. Some of you may think he's being a bit edgy, but this is what the job requires.
An album can be tracked and ready to mix in a week, if everything goes VERY well. I'm going to assume that VC would want to be there for most every overdub after the initial tracking of the rhythm section, and that is where things can take a while.
Dan/NS
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Let me interject something at this point. I've watched the studio footage with SJ and VC, and what he is doing is taking charge of the situation and getting the performance he wants from Vanessa. He's teetering on the edge of a tense situation, but he is handling it well. He's doing what a producer does. A producer, at any given moment, needs to be an engineer, coach, psychologist, devil's advocate, and about 20 other things. First and foremost, he must get a performance recorded and maintain focus. Some of you may think he's being a bit edgy, but this is what the job requires.
An album can be tracked and ready to mix in a week, if everything goes VERY well. I'm going to assume that VC would want to be there for most every overdub after the initial tracking of the rhythm section, and that is where things can take a while.
Dan/NS
^ Word
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Let me interject something at this point. I've watched the studio footage with SJ and VC, and what he is doing is taking charge of the situation and getting the performance he wants from Vanessa. He's teetering on the edge of a tense situation, but he is handling it well. He's doing what a producer does. A producer, at any given moment, needs to be an engineer, coach, psychologist, devil's advocate, and about 20 other things. First and foremost, he must get a performance recorded and maintain focus. Some of you may think he's being a bit edgy, but this is what the job requires.
Dan/NS
I agree! And that makes him a good producer. When he has to be the producer he is.
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^ Could be. I never thought of it that way.
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I never thought about him any other way. I just thought he must be very good in what he does and Harmonium is the perfect example of his work. Other aspect of his personality really don't bother me.
What really counts here is the music they've made and she's making now. I hope the 3rd album will be good, however, I'm afraid it's going to be a littel bit too sissy. New songs are catchy and PYHOM especially. Even my brother always sings along and make his 'philosophical' points that Vanessa is a good singer.
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I just think he's bossy.
And you guys can be as hopeful as you want but I'm a complete cynic and I just want to say that if he's producing the album it would never, EVER be mixed in a week. Try 52 weeks. Times two. It's going to take forever. Sorry.
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I just think he's bossy.
And you guys can be as hopeful as you want but I'm a complete cynic and I just want to say that if he's producing the album it would never, EVER be mixed in a week. Try 52 weeks. Times two. It's going to take forever. Sorry.
Totally, totally true!!! He likes everything perfect! And when I say perfect, I mean really really perfect just like he imagens it.
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I just think he's bossy.
Again, this is what a producer needs to do in some situations. A producer IS the boss, and is in charge of the recording session. Sometimes, you have to kick someone's ass, otherwise the part will not get done, or not get done well. It depends, 'cause everyone requires a different approach.
It's the opposite of what one would think, but sometimes, you must take someone's comfort zone away in order to get that magic onto the track.
In some cases, it's a matter of complacency and indifference on the artist's part. Other times, pissing them off yields the best take. Still others, being the "coach" does it.
SJ knows what to do, and consequently, he is successful as a producer.
Also, keep in mind that things going well in the studio do not necessarily make interesting video.
The mixing of an album can be the trickiest part, and can take the longest.
Dunno about 52 weeks! Does anyone know how long the last album did take to mix?
Dan/NS
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Like I said, at least a year.
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so if she is done recording the album in febuary, it will take a YEAR for it to come out?????????
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I really don't think it will take a year, but remember that the release date ultimately is determined by the record company. Also, the only producer that we have heard of working on this album(from a reliable source) is Linda Perry.
Dan/NS
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I was told by 3eb's management that SJ will definitely be working on this album.
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I was told by 3eb's management that SJ will definitely be working on this album.
Good news! Got my fingers crossed for Perry and SJ...hope the Matrix is just a bad dream.....
Dan/NS
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ew was there talk of the matrix? i can't remember, it seems so long ago.
and yeah i'm looking forward to sj's work. it means delays and that's obnoxious but i'm used to it. he's a great songwriter and producer and i think he did a really good job on harmonium.
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ew was there talk of the matrix? i can't remember, it seems so long ago.
There wasn't talk. I came across VC having written some songs with them on BMI.com. It's there, plain as day. Hopefully, she may not feel the need to record them!
Dan/NS
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The songs she wrote with the Matrix might not be so bad!
I can't tell until I listen to them! :P
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I was half kidding. I would wait and see, if in fact the Matrix songs do get recorded and issued, then listen with an open mind.
Dan/NS
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well hmm.. the matrix is known for doing major pop songs... and i think vanessa was trying to get out of that category for this upcoming album
so hopefulllly.. well, i trust her. i'll be happy with whatever she makes most likely.
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who are the matrix?
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The Matrix are a group of songwriters that have written songs for Avril Lavigne (Complicated, With You, Sk8er Boi), Britney Spears (Me Against The Music, Toxic) Liz Phair (Why Can't I, Extraodinary, etc) and I believe they worked with Hillary Duff. I forget. Those are the only notable artists and songs I can remember off the top of my head. But they're known for writing chart topping songs. I like some of the work done by the Matrix. And remember how Vanessa promised that everyone would recognize this next CD? As her second CD even? I think with a songwriting group like the Matrix behind her, she may have her next hit even if it's not through means we would wish her to have it. But everyone's (Including myself) been bitching about her not getting the recognition and air play she deserves and this may be the means to let her do so. So I don't see what the big fuss is. It's music, and it's not the first time she's co-written with anyone before.
Haha, I keep editing this post. But Linda Perry is a pretty big name herself as well, she produced P!nk's Missundaztood which sold very well, and she produced Christina Aguilera's last album... right? Or at least co-wrote a few songs with her, and that did extremely well too. If Vanessa's working with people such as Linda and The Matrix, one could only assume that she's preparing to kick MTV in the balls.
If they have balls.
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MTV--------V
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Haha, stay tuned for the next appearance on TRL by Vanessa. Much carnage will be had. :3
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Hmm.... What if she is working with the Matrix AND Linda Perry, and this album IS one she will be known for? What if it's an album of Private Radio's and Unsung's?
Proibably not, considering PYHOM, This Time, The One, Best Behavior...
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who are the matrix?
VERY funny, Brian! 8)
To me, the whole Matrix thing is ridiculous. Vanessa can write great songs. She has proven that twice now. The Matrix wishes they could come up with something as inspired and catchy as ATM or OD. If, as VC has said, she is not a "pop princess",
working with pop's biggest assembly line makes no sense. The only way it DOES make sense is if the record company demanded it, or she did it as an olive branch. Probably a command from the Interscope bean counters. Imagine what the next songs might be about!
Dan/NS
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who are the matrix?
VERY funny, Brian! 8)
actually...for once i was being serious...had no idea who they were.
To me, the whole Matrix thing is ridiculous. Vanessa can write great songs. She has proven that twice now. The Matrix wishes they could come up with something as inspired and catchy as ATM or OD. If, as VC has said, she is not a "pop princess",
working with pop's biggest assembly line makes no sense. The only way it DOES make sense is if the record company demanded it, or she did it as an olive branch. Probably a command from the Interscope bean counters. Imagine what the next songs might be about!
Dan/NS
not sure i like the idea if they are working with her. VC has shown us that she can write her own stuff, and collaborate with some greats, but she is def. no pop-princess and I'd hate to see her turned into one b/c of her friggen record label.
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i think it would be kool to hear nessa do a more pop sounding song. I DEFINATELY don't want her to become a pop princess, but it would be kool to hear her do a more pop like song :D I like the song Me Aginst The Music by Britney, which i read in previous posts that the Matrix wrote. It would be kool to hear nessa sing sumthin like that.
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i think it would be kool to hear nessa do a more pop sounding song. I DEFINATELY don't want her to become a pop princess, but it would be kool to hear her do a more pop like song :D I like the song Me Aginst The Music by Britney, which i read in previous posts that the Matrix wrote. It would be kool to hear nessa sing sumthin like that.
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LOL. i didnt mean i like Britney i just meant that i like the song. I dont like her voice or the way she sings it. I just like the song. well i really only like the courus part.
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i didnt mean that i want nessa's whole album to be like that. I just meant that i thought it would be kewl to hear her sing a song like that. I would only want to hear one song like that... because i perfer nessa's type of music of course a hell of a lot more.
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How about Private Radio? That is easily the poppiest thing she's done, IMHO. SJ&VC already outdid the Matrix.
And Brian, I thought that was a Wachowski brothers reference.
Dan/NS
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The Matrix are a group of songwriters that have written songs for Avril Lavigne (Complicated, With You, Sk8er Boi), Britney Spears (Me Against The Music, Toxic) Liz Phair (Why Can't I, Extraodinary, etc) and I believe they worked with Hillary Duff. I forget. Those are the only notable artists and songs I can remember off the top of my head. But they're known for writing chart topping songs. I like some of the work done by the Matrix. And remember how Vanessa promised that everyone would recognize this next CD? As her second CD even? I think with a songwriting group like the Matrix behind her, she may have her next hit even if it's not through means we would wish her to have it. But everyone's (Including myself) been bitching about her not getting the recognition and air play she deserves and this may be the means to let her do so. So I don't see what the big fuss is. It's music, and it's not the first time she's co-written with anyone before.
Haha, I keep editing this post. But Linda Perry is a pretty big name herself as well, she produced P!nk's Missundaztood which sold very well, and she produced Christina Aguilera's last album... right? Or at least co-wrote a few songs with her, and that did extremely well too. If Vanessa's working with people such as Linda and The Matrix, one could only assume that she's preparing to kick MTV in the balls.
If they have balls.
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i dont WANT her to kick mtv in the balls. i want her to stay far away from MTv. because they suck. and don't even play music. and when they do its annoying fabricated people from the radio. i also hate the radio because they only play what is 'popular' and what is popular isn't always good. its just trendy. and entertains people that don't seek out music for their own tastes, just take whats given to them. (for the most part and what i said is totaly generalizing, but yes.)
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ehem.
i think she should let out her dark twist and go underground. :) *looks around* are people gonna start throwing things at me now?? hmm.
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And Brian, I thought that was a Wachowski brothers reference.
Dan/NS
so did I...I was wondering what Neo had to do with Vanessa :razz:
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I think a lot of us thought that "Private Radio" would've made a perfect second single and would've brought a lot of people into listening to Vanessa that hadn't been already. It was a new sound and certainly pop-compatible. Perhaps a move in that direction (at least for the next single) could be a great idea!
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I would definately like to see Vanessa experiment with some genres for a few tracks on VC3... We definitely need a more radio-friendly first single than White Houses. I know a lot of people that like the song, but it didn't have the mass appeal that ATM or OD had. I think it would be cool to see Vanessa do something a bit more rock-influenced or maybe something pop/R&B-ish. But only for a few tracks on the CD. If she just keeps on making the same kind of music, I'm afraid I might get bored.
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I think if she is going to strive to be on TV anywhere, she should focus more on VH1 than MTV. I think VH1 would embrace her more, and give her more exposure and time.
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I prefer Vanessa's music to be more like rock.... I consider BNN to be this kind. Few songs like ATM and oD were more like pop... but UNSUNG, just awesome. I know new songs are a littel bit too sissy and pop. However, I hope they will by arranged in a way that fulfills my needs.... I'm being egoistic. Well I'm sure I will like this album. And I hope it will be more successful.
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who are the matrix?
VERY funny, Brian! 8)
To me, the whole Matrix thing is ridiculous. Vanessa can write great songs. She has proven that twice now. The Matrix wishes they could come up with something as inspired and catchy as ATM or OD. If, as VC has said, she is not a "pop princess",
working with pop's biggest assembly line makes no sense. The only way it DOES make sense is if the record company demanded it, or she did it as an olive branch. Probably a command from the Interscope bean counters. Imagine what the next songs might be about!
Dan/NS
Inspired and catchy as ATM?
Catchy, yes,
Inspired, hardly.
I love ATM, but in all honesty, it's a fluke. And even Vanessa recognizes that. In one of the video interviews done with RollingStone when she first came out she even admitted that she had massive writers block when trying to finish that song. That's why the same descending pattern appears over and over again through out the whole goddamn song. And that's also why the song consists of just three chords for the most part. Why do people not realize this?
I most likely committed blasphemy by saying that, haha, but that's just how I feel. I don't mean to offend anyone by bashing ATM, because I'm not. It's just not the end all and be all of songwriting. I'm totally going off topic and ranting. Sorry.
And STARGirl, I do agree with you for the most part. But I believe MTV and VH1 are necessary evils to a degree.
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I think a lot of us thought that "Private Radio" would've made a perfect second single and would've brought a lot of people into listening to Vanessa that hadn't been already. It was a new sound and certainly pop-compatible. Perhaps a move in that direction (at least for the next single) could be a great idea!
I totally agree.
Im dissapointed with A&M records... she had tree singles from Be Not Nobody...and only one from Harmonium? I thought that Harmonium was much better than BNN and that not only private radio, but any other song on there was more than suitable to be a single
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Inspired and catchy as ATM?
Catchy, yes,
Inspired, hardly.
I love ATM, but in all honesty, it's a fluke. And even Vanessa recognizes that. In one of the video interviews done with RollingStone when she first came out she even admitted that she had massive writers block when trying to finish that song. That's why the same descending pattern appears over and over again through out the whole goddamn song. And that's also why the song consists of just three chords for the most part. Why do people not realize this?
<<Because there are more than three chords in the song, that's why. And why would 3 chords be a bad thing?>>
I most likely committed blasphemy by saying that, haha, but that's just how I feel. I don't mean to offend anyone by bashing ATM, because I'm not. It's just not the end all and be all of songwriting. I'm totally going off topic and ranting. Sorry.
<<<Who said ATM is the be all and end all of songwriting? Not I. Look, if you just want to defend The Matrix, fine. I doubt everything that they have done came off the top of their head(s). What IS your point, being crapping in this thread?
Dan/NS
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thanks for postin info on new album!:)
pete
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Inspired and catchy as ATM?
Catchy, yes,
Inspired, hardly.
I love ATM, but in all honesty, it's a fluke. And even Vanessa recognizes that. In one of the video interviews done with RollingStone when she first came out she even admitted that she had massive writers block when trying to finish that song. That's why the same descending pattern appears over and over again through out the whole goddamn song. And that's also why the song consists of just three chords for the most part. Why do people not realize this?
<<Because there are more than three chords in the song, that's why. And why would 3 chords be a bad thing?>>
I most likely committed blasphemy by saying that, haha, but that's just how I feel. I don't mean to offend anyone by bashing ATM, because I'm not. It's just not the end all and be all of songwriting. I'm totally going off topic and ranting. Sorry.
<<<Who said ATM is the be all and end all of songwriting? Not I. Look, if you just want to defend The Matrix, fine. I doubt everything that they have done came off the top of their head(s). What IS your point, being crapping in this thread?
Dan/NS
There's a reason I said for the most part, which leaves room for other chords, thanks. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's just simple.
My only point, is that people insist that Vanessa's working with other people will never be able to top songs she's written like ATM, but I disagree. For example, musically speaking, White Houses blows ATM out of the water.
Being crapping in this thread? ...huh? Either way, I appologized if I came across as rude or insulting already in that previous post. So excuse me for just stating an opinion. :?
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It's all good. I have no issues with the idea of her collaborating. I like what she did with SJ, for example, and I can't wait to see what becomes of her work with Linda Perry.
Dan/NS
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I thought you guys meant the Matrix as in, like, the movies. I was like, Ew Gross why would she work with THAT?
Anyways, I have never seen Pleased To Meet You. I have a Windows XP and I have Harmonium but PTMY is only playable on Win95 and 98. That blows.
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i have windows xp, and it plays for me?
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Anyways, I have never seen Pleased To Meet You. I have a Windows XP and I have Harmonium but PTMY is only playable on Win95 and 98. That blows.
Wrong, it plays fine on XP.
Just check your settings! ;)