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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: Cowboystrader on June 01, 2006, 09:56:29 pm
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What's the story/rumor mill on how good this 3rd album of Vanessa Carlton's will be?
I am sure we all here on this message board will like it but as far as album sales go...will it be like her 2nd album did? Will it be promoted better than her 2nd album? Will there be more than one music video/single for this 3rd album?
Chris
Arlington, TX
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We don't know. Everything we do know has been posted already, and you will know as much as us if you read the other threads that are variations on this topic.
Of course we all wish the best for Vanessa and her forthcoming album, and we all have faith in her (as for the record company and its affiliates, that's another story altogether), but all we know thus far is speculation, not fact.
If we knew, you would know already.
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I'm with MeganJane. I also think that all of her fans hope that the cds fly off the shelf. We all want her to do her best. We believe in her, and its that faith, that faith from us that keeps her going. Without us, her music would just be stuff she records for herself, without her, we would just be nerds without a cause or care...
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Whether or not Vanessa hits mega-stardom again or not, it doesn't bother me. She's a brilliant song writer and she has made 2 great albums so far, and I'll still continue to support her and her music. The "media" thing isn't really important.
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this cd will be a great job, vanessa will work what she do better, music...and it´s not important if the album will sell so much or not, i will be on her side always.
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Her doing well with the third album will be even more dependent on label promo than Harmonium was. Street teams, people here, etc. can help, but word of mouth only goes so far if whatever label she'll be on doesn't back it, too. Her name has been out of the game too long for the common music fan to just pick up, know who she is, and care. But then again, it could work to her advantage she's been under the radar for a couple years. Who knows.
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So far, I agree with what everyone's had to say on this topic. Anything could happen. There could be a huge comeback, but the harsh reality is that there also may never be. However, as long as Vanessa gets to use her gifts and talents in this way to make fabulous music, then I would classify her as being successful, as she is doing what she loves. The sad thing is, with the state of the music industry today, many people just don't 'get' Vanessa and her music. Which is certainly their problem and nothing to do with Nessa. She is brilliant.
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^For real.^
People are always blaming the industry for making terrible music, but I also blame the public for enjoying that terrible music & overlooking the good stuff. People should already know who V is...it's shocking that they didn't respond to her when she was huge & latch on like us Nessaholics! :roll:
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Anything could happen. There could be a huge comeback, but the harsh reality is that there also may never be.
thats true. i agree with that. i hope v does well though! though it IS true that listeners can be fickle, and same for the media and the press. but i would love to see something like bnn happen again for her 3rd album, though id still support her no matter how low-key she is. its just that she's worked so hard, and she's so talented, i feel she really deserves more recognition than she's getting now..thats why i want this album to do well.
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People are always blaming the industry for making terrible music, but I also blame the public for enjoying that terrible music & overlooking the good stuff. People should already know who V is...it's shocking that they didn't respond to her when she was huge & latch on like us Nessaholics!
Well said. I wholeheartedly agree. How does crap sell if no-one buys it? Maybe people don't want to think about lyrics, etc. There are ALWAYS, ALWAYS new songs that are variations on this:
"Ooh, baby, let's go dancing all night long
Oh yeah, DJ play my song.
Ooh, baby, I wanna make love all night
Coz tonite, it's never felt so right"
(just made that up, it's easy becuase we've all heard it a million times)
..And with songs like that, no-one has to think. It's all spelt out for you and it's so thematically bland and devoid of depth that people can just passively listen and not get involved at all (unless they're dancing... all night long, requesting songs...)
It sucks. And these songs keep getting made because people buy them. And the "intelligent" songs that sell, are usually only relatively intelligent, and not really that thought-provoking. (Well, they are thought provoking in the sense that I think: "How the **** does this **** sell? It doesn't even make sense!!!")
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Anything could happen. There could be a huge comeback, but the harsh reality is that there also may never be.
thats true. i agree with that. i hope v does well though! though it IS true that listeners can be fickle, and same for the media and the press. but i would love to see something like bnn happen again for her 3rd album, though id still support her no matter how low-key she is. its just that she's worked so hard, and she's so talented, i feel she really deserves more recognition than she's getting now..thats why i want this album to do well.
True. I sincerely hope that when I'm making my music, my fans are good people like you guys. xxx
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I really don't think that she has a niche in popular music anymore. The only way that I can see her 3rd album going platinum is if a) her album has HUGE promotional efforts, b) the mainstream audience somehow begins to like the kind of music that was on Harmonium (or at least music similar to it) or c) if she sells out like Nelly Furtado (don't get me wrong, I like her new song, but it's still a sell out) and does a techno-ish song featuring some rap artist. I love Nessa and wish her the best, but I really feel that she's been gone too long from the mainstream. But I'll be DELIGHTED if she does get a hit song or platinum album, that'd be wonderful.
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pessimist :roll:
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I really don't think that she has a niche in popular music anymore.
I can see why you may have come to believe that, I understand your point, but look around you:
WE are Vanessa's niche!!!![/i]
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hmm...about the niche thing, every artist would have their own hardcore fans, so i guess at least the good thing is, theres always people willing to buy v's albums! im just not sure if she'll sell out they way she did with bnn. but i guess also artists are bringing out songs that are quite different from mainstream rock/rap that dominates the radios nowadays..like christina also is releasing some blues-influenced album apparently? which is also pretty different from typical pop. so you never know!
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...as the current pool of pop songs changes, so should the meaning of "typical"...
Well, should. But I still tend to think of "typical pop" as Britney etc. who is not even in the charts anymore
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I'm not a pessimist, I really want Vanessa to do well again! It's just that most of what is on popular radio is Hip-Hop or Rap and Vanessa really doesn't fit either of those genres (quite obviously).
About the hardcore fan thing, I don't care how popular or unpopular Vanessa's music becomes. I think that all (or at least most of us) on this forum would buy her next album. I know I would.
Only problem with us being Vanessa's niche is that we aren't a huge niche.
Like I said, though, I'd be delighted if Vanessa's album sold well, or if she became popular again. I do think, however, that she doesn't have a place on the popular radio charts, but she does have a place on the Adult Contemporary Charts. The biggest radio station in Louisville is an Adult Contemporary station and "White Houses" was played on it. We could pretty much consider it a moderate hit. But if she has a single a bit better than "White Houses", and her label promotes it and the album well, then I think she'll do great!
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Hah! Can you imagine V rapping!
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I think if The One and This Time as well as PYHOM are on the album it probably will do better than Harmonium because honestly I think Harmonium was a bit of a departure from BNN. I think with or without the label the people that bought Harmonium were more or less her hardcore fanbase. The songs on the next album will probably have wider appeal. That's just my take on it.
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I actually think Harmonium is better than Be Not Nobody.
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Harmonium is so profound and so delicately crafted. It's a fine work. :D
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SInce I bought Harmonium, I've hardly listened to BNN at all... I think I've only listened to "Wanted" a few times... it definitely showcases her better as an artist
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same here ^
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same here ^
Really? I love bnn and listen to it regularly... although I do prefer it to Harmonium... tis a close call though.
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I wrote a review about Harmonium one time for sputnikmusic.com and I gave it a *****/5 stars rating. People were confused. To me it was very simple. Harmonium = brilliant album. Am I the only one who thinks that way?
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No, you're right. Harmonium is a brilliant album
I just prefer the songs on Bnn and the production and lyrics and piano and everything on it... Bnn is perfect to me.
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I loved BNN too, but I do like Harmonium more, because sometimes imperfection is better than perfection. Try "False Advertising" by Bright Eyes...
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No, you're right. Harmonium is a brilliant album
I just prefer the songs on Bnn and the production and lyrics and piano and everything on it... Bnn is perfect to me.
Harmonium sounded real... BNN was good, but to the point where "perfect" begins to sound too perfect, like real becomes fake... if that makes sense. I know Nessa expressed that thought in some interview. I think everything about Harmonium is better, especially the singing... apart from having improved her range, control, etc, she sounds so much more... comfortable
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Cause she probably was. Didn't she record part of it in a home studio?
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yeah.... I've hardly listened to BNN since Harmonium came out... it's such an amazing album... who knows.... maybe this next one will be so good that we'll hardly listen to Harmonium 8O :lol: 8O