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Title: Why why...??
Post by: Promiscious-boy on July 25, 2006, 11:24:05 am
Let's have a serious talk now...

I've got a question...

Why British singers, Australians, Kiwi, Canadian etc.. except Americans... why do they sing with the American accent? I mean...

I know that United States is the CENTRE of fame, so... but it's too bad when you find a singer that wants to be an American....

An example given.. Natalie Imbruglia, in her first work, she sang with the american accent..... but she realised that fame was not everything, and she saw that she was sort of denying herself....  so .. in her last two works, she sings with her own accent.... I love when I listen to shiver and I hear... CAN'T GET BACK, I CAN'T LOVE, SOMEWHERE I CAN'T GET TO... ueueueu.. and other songs,

Another one that i really admire is Missy Higgisn, she doesn't sing with the true Aussie accent, but she sort of tries it... like

So the one "came" with.......... day - die, lay - lie....

I love Dido, but I've got to say that she doesn't sing with the british accent.... CAN'T, ASK, PAST, LAST, PASS.. she sings like Americans....


So... I'm here asking you to list me Aussie, British singers that truly sings with their own accents, if you know.. .just let me know.....

Okay.. thanks
Title: Why why...??
Post by: Ryou-Neko on July 25, 2006, 05:42:56 pm
Interesting. Kylie Minogue doesn't sing with her Brit accent (as far as I know).

I'd assume you're a fan of Nelly Furtado.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: zurielshimon on July 26, 2006, 10:28:28 am
For years I've always thought singers wanted to sound British.  Most rock artists, anyway.  Just listen to how they commonly drop final R's, even if it's not their native habit.  In recent years though, particularly in pop music, I've heard the R's come back, even to the point of sounding almost Irish.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: LimeTwister on July 26, 2006, 11:32:45 am
Kylie is Australian.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: bluebutterfly on July 27, 2006, 05:39:54 pm
i've always asked the same question and you bring up an excellent point.  it's so annoying when aussies sing the american "can't" and often it's hard to tell the difference between "can't" and "can". argh.   anywho, i can't really think of any aussie singers that use their own accents.  shannon noll did for his first single, but now he's gone all american style.  in one of tammin sursok's songs she uses the australian 'cant' but that only happens once in the entire album.    
i think ill list the ones who use the american accent.
delta goodrem, the veronicas, eskimo joe, candice alley, and er... everyone else.
missy higgins is from new zealand btw.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: zurielshimon on July 28, 2006, 12:05:14 pm
Quote from: "bluebutterfly"
i've always asked the same question and you bring up an excellent point.  it's so annoying when aussies sing the american "can't" and often it's hard to tell the difference between "can't" and "can". argh.   anywho, i can't really think of any aussie singers that use their own accents.  shannon noll did for his first single, but now he's gone all american style.  in one of tammin sursok's songs she uses the australian 'cant' but that only happens once in the entire album.    
i think ill list the ones who use the american accent.
delta goodrem, the veronicas, eskimo joe, candice alley, and er... everyone else.
missy higgins is from new zealand btw.


Just curious since I don't have any Australian here with me, but what's the difference between what you call the American "can't" and the Australian "can't" ?
Title: Why why...??
Post by: bluebutterfly on July 29, 2006, 01:05:17 am
Quote from: "zurielshimon"
Quote from: "bluebutterfly"
i've always asked the same question and you bring up an excellent point.  it's so annoying when aussies sing the american "can't" and often it's hard to tell the difference between "can't" and "can". argh.   anywho, i can't really think of any aussie singers that use their own accents.  shannon noll did for his first single, but now he's gone all american style.  in one of tammin sursok's songs she uses the australian 'cant' but that only happens once in the entire album.    
i think ill list the ones who use the american accent.
delta goodrem, the veronicas, eskimo joe, candice alley, and er... everyone else.
missy higgins is from new zealand btw.


Just curious since I don't have any Australian here with me, but what's the difference between what you call the American "can't" and the Australian "can't" ?


the way we pronounce it is different.  when americans say "can't" it's said the same way as "can" and kind of hard to tell the difference unless you hear the last T.    when aussies say "can't" we pronounce the ah part different.  same with words such as: last, past, fast, ask...etc
Title: Why why...??
Post by: Promiscious-boy on July 29, 2006, 11:25:33 am
Well, let me try...

Can't  the letter A, american does like " stain ".. well, I  tried..
And aussies, british and others, they pronounce like " sOMe " " Month "

But I really like the aussie accent

Today = to die
Lay = lie

I thought Missy Higgins was from Oz...

But I don't agree that DELTA GOODREM sings with the aussie accent, I've been listening to 20 songs of hers.. and I truly didn't see a TO-DIE pronunciation...

Her " late " is not like " light ", the way that aussies do....
Title: Why why...??
Post by: zurielshimon on July 29, 2006, 12:45:15 pm
Many Americans do pronounce "can't" as though it rhymes with "paint" or "ain't".  Most, though, do pronounce it just like "can" with a "t" at the end, and it is hard to distinguish as sung sometimes.

I'm not exactly sure I follow what is meant by the Australian pronunciation, though.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: bluebutterfly on July 30, 2006, 03:01:33 am
Quote from: "Promiscious-boy"
Well, let me try...

Can't  the letter A, american does like " stain ".. well, I  tried..
And aussies, british and others, they pronounce like " sOMe " " Month "

But I really like the aussie accent

Today = to die
Lay = lie

I thought Missy Higgins was from Oz...

But I don't agree that DELTA GOODREM sings with the aussie accent, I've been listening to 20 songs of hers.. and I truly didn't see a TO-DIE pronunciation...

Her " late " is not like " light ", the way that aussies do....


huh? your post confused me.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: Promiscious-boy on July 30, 2006, 05:28:44 am
Quote from: "bluebutterfly"
Quote from: "Promiscious-boy"
Well, let me try...

Can't  the letter A, american does like " stain ".. well, I  tried..
And aussies, british and others, they pronounce like " sOMe " " Month "

But I really like the aussie accent

Today = to die
Lay = lie

I thought Missy Higgins was from Oz...

But I don't agree that DELTA GOODREM sings with the aussie accent, I've been listening to 20 songs of hers.. and I truly didn't see a TO-DIE pronunciation...

Her " late " is not like " light ", the way that aussies do....


huh? your post confused me.


Sorry, it's because I've tried, but forget it.. the fact is

Singers mut sing with their own accent...

THE LIBERTINES is a british band that truly sings with the brit accent. and I don't like their music, but i've gotta listen to it, because it's the only band I've found that sings with the true brit accent
Title: Why why...??
Post by: aleera84 on August 02, 2006, 05:48:50 am
Missy is from Melbourne  8)

But I do agree with this post, Id love for every artist to sing in their own accent but I just think that its 'natural' to sing with an American one because thats hows its been since day one.

It just means that people like Missy, Sarah Blasko, Butterfly Boucher etc stand out more.

Some artists choose to chuck in their accent on occasion like The Veronica's. Revolution has a mix of both Aus and American which makes it sound cool but I doubt it'll be released in America.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: LimeTwister on August 02, 2006, 06:36:34 am
The bigger question is: do the artists actually put thought into how they're singing?  Or is the "American" accent (which, I must say, really isn't a fair term) just one that works better while singing and is never really thought of while the person is singing?  Like, they just sorta started singing that way and never changed it.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: aleera84 on August 02, 2006, 06:28:22 pm
Yep!
Have you heard Stephanie McIntosh's song 'Mistake'? Shes off Neighbours. Her American accent is just over the top  :?
Title: Why why...??
Post by: bluebutterfly on August 02, 2006, 09:20:30 pm
i hate "revolution". ick. the accents sound so screwed up. and i don't like steph mcintosh's song either.  
if missy higgins is from melbourne then why does she have a kiwi accent?  :?  

limetwister...as an aussie i can say that 85% of whats on the radio is sung in an american accent.  as a result, when we sing along we pick up the accent without knowing it.  my singing teacher had to point it out to me that i was doing it and now i'm erm...embracing my australian voice. haha.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: Promiscious-boy on July 17, 2007, 09:25:41 am
Well.. I've been studying hard about singers with their accent

Here is the list

Canadians:

Alanis Morissette
Tegan and Sara
Chantal Kreviazuk

Scottish

Paolo Nutini and KT Tunstall (she does sometime)

English

Corinne Bailey Rae, James Blunt, Lily Allen

Irish

Dolores O'Riordan

Kiwi

Anika Moa (sometimes she does)

Aussie

Missy Higgins, Sarah Blasko and Clare Bowdtich
Title: Why why...??
Post by: zurielshimon on August 06, 2007, 06:22:03 am
I don't have any records out, but sometimes I sing with a Kiwi accent.  Depends on the song.  Even if the original isn't Kiwi.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: Promiscious-boy on August 06, 2007, 03:19:37 pm
But you are not Kiwi, right? How come?
Title: Why why...??
Post by: All I Ask2003 on August 06, 2007, 03:31:00 pm
I don't know where Imogen Heap is from, but in "Hide and Seek," she has a British accent.

Also, I know the Killers sound British, or they did on Hot Fuss.  I thought they were a British band because they sounded so much like it, and were first truly recognized by the UK!

Billie Joe from Green Day sounds kind of British in some older recordings, he even used one in interviews around the Dookie era.

I think it's all just a matter of preference and what's comfortable...except for BJ speaking with an English accent, that's just weird lol
Title: Why why...??
Post by: davidjp on August 06, 2007, 11:15:51 pm
What would you call Celine Dion's accent? French or Canadian?
Title: Why why...??
Post by: me and my piano---tim on August 07, 2007, 01:15:46 am
Quote from: "davidjp"
What would you call Celine Dion's accent? French or Canadian?


You would call it French Canadian! jk I don't know
Title: Why why...??
Post by: zurielshimon on August 07, 2007, 01:52:24 am
Quote from: "Promiscious-boy"
But you are not Kiwi, right? How come?

No, I'm not Kiwi, but I think it's pretty and expressive.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: NoelleNC on August 07, 2007, 09:43:14 am
Actually, I think that the singing accent should be considered it's own accent! I'm american and fully pronounce my "r"s when I talk, but sometimes when I sing they are less fully pronounced. Actually when I hear a singer fully pronounce their Rs in a song, it sounds kind of bad to me. Some singers do it, some country and a lot of California folk rock singers seem to lately, especially females, but I just think it sounds ugly. Hard Rs are not a pretty sound and I think people just change how they sing because it sounds nicer. I also sometimes pronounce "can't" and "can" differently when I'm singing than when I talk.

Also, I think only country singers- and the most hillbilly at that- pronounce "can" and "can't" like "paint" and "cane"... The normal A sound in the American "can" and "can't" is the short a sound as in "apple" and "panda" and "family".
Title: Why why...??
Post by: zurielshimon on August 07, 2007, 11:35:04 pm
I think singers usually sing in an accent that suits the type of music they sing.  Even a country singer from Canada will oftentimes put a Tennessee or North Carolina sound on their voice.  A punk band from California may turn slightly British on the vocal track.  Robert Plant on many, many Led Zeppelin records sang with a hard R despite never doing so in everyday speech.
Title: Why why...??
Post by: Promiscious-boy on August 08, 2007, 02:27:54 pm
Come on ppl!!! I'm sure about this..

Non-american singers americanise their accent because in the USA, they'll have fame, they'll be known around the world

Example

The internation singers to be promoted in Latin America are from the USA TOPS... If a singer is only famous in his-her country (non american).. he-she won't be famous here.... MISSY HIGGINS, SANDI THIOM, SARAH BLASKO

Now, non-ame singers are singing with their own accent, little by little... mainly British.. u can see many new british artists singing with their accent, but AUSSIE and KIWI accent are so different from the USA one that they still hide it....

As I said.. Natalie Imbruglia confessed that the musical producers MAKES THEM americanise their songs.. it's sad..

So, how come KYLIE MONIGUE (From melbourne) doesn't sing with the same accent of MISSY HIGGINS (also from melbourne) when you hear Kylie... you ARE SURE she is American...