NESSAholics.com
Other Topics => Polls => Topic started by: NESSAholics.com on April 08, 2003, 10:47:47 pm
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We already have over 500 members! Wouldn't you like to see us become the "Official" fan club?
Please note, we are NOT referring to our forums, we are referring to the website, nessaholics.com, as a whole. The website is comprised of pictures, media, etc., and any other Vanessa and NESSAholic related material submitted by NESSAholics. The forums are just one entity of the site. Also, we are not talking about taking over Vanessa's site. We are talking about making a concerted effort, along with her management, her site, and our site, to promote Vanessa and the fans. Just a simple fan club. We all once heard about an "official fan club" being created by her Street Team, that never happened and her Street Team seems to have disappeared. We already have much support as an unofficial fan club and we would just like to see what your opinions are on making it an official fan club. If you vote no, please give us a reason why and we will see if we can improve those areas. If you vote yes please give a reason why you are supporting us.
Thanks!
-The NESSAholics.com Team
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but of course :)
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I would really like to know why someone would say no
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o_O so would i. I'm curious what the "No" falls under... for example..
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- Is there something we could do better/instead to make you think NESSAholics.com should be the official fan club?
- No, you don't think NESSAholics.com should be the official fan club, and don't think there should be a Vanessa Carlton fan club at all.
- No, NESSAholics.com should not be the official fan club as there are better options already from other fan sites.
- I voted No because i have a personal problem with nh.com =)
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If those voting No don't wish to openly speak up that is understandable. Based on the results from this poll, we might create another poll with the above options... in the end, all we want is feedback.
=)
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What for a question! :P
Of course!
I just would like to know who voted "no" :?:
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I think if you're gonna say no, you should tell us why. What we can do to make the site better. Feedback people...we want feedback!
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i voted yes as there wasn't the option :"of course"
I didn't know it was possible to make Nessaholics.com become the "official" fan club :roll:
it would be really cool
super génial in my words :wink:
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I voted no (just now 11:00 a.m. East Coast). Don't ask me why, but I don't think it's a good idea for an unofficial fan website to become the official fan website--I think it leads to nothing but bad things.
I've seen this with other websites. Like a University of Montana football website (I visited from time to time). This site was unofficial--much like this one--and when the athletic department said "why don't you become the OFFICIAL message board for UM athletics?" they were very excited...
It led to disaster. The old administrators constantly bitched and moaned about something. The new administrators basically took over the damn thing, and made it a MUCH less fun place to be. I think they eventually ended up in court over control of the board...
That's all I'm going to say because I don't feel like this is something to argue over. I love this place--you guys know that--I do it for your own protection.
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:evil: :evil: Who said NO :evil: :evil:
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I voted no
as compared to the 20000 some odd members of the official board, this board is small, it would be like stepping her fan club back a year. I know some of you liked the board better, but we arent really here to be happy and have a nice little pleasant board, its more along the lines of promoting Vanessa. Since some of the most sacrificing fans have left the official board a lot of info just isnt there anymore. I think tour info, and show info is important to those who dont post or barely post, those too lazy to go find nessaholics.com. For this reason i dont think it would be fair to take all of the knowledge shared among everyone here and just keep it to ourselves.
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Pete. This board is not the fan club. The site, nessaholics.com, and what we're trying to do with it, is the fan club. This board is just an entity of the site. I guess I need to make that clear in my thread on VC's board.
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i realize that Joe, i think its greedy for these reasons
because there are way more members there and i doubt they all want to run around joining new message boards because 2.5% (yes thats how much of the official board members are here) of the members just plain dont like it on that board
if i run a search that is her site, and it comes up first, so where to go to find out the most updated info but there....If all of you people just drop that board and move here people will be left in the dust, which in turn will hurt Vanessa's fanbase since they will be unable to get info on shows and events considering the most involved members are here now
I just dont like the idea and i think its degrading to Vanessa that her board members are either flamers or people who run away from their problems
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Again. You are not seeing the difference between this board and a fan club. The fan club has nothing to do with this board. The fan club would, hopefully, combine with the management of her official site and there would, hopefully, be links this website (NOT THIS FORUM) when referring to a FAN CLUB (NOT THIS FORUM).
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this site isnt being updated as regularly as it should be if it is going to be the official fan-club --- i mean the central park meet-up isn't even up on events - they isnt a place to download media and view pictures that were not taken by nessaholics which i think is vital now that v-c.net isnt doing thier thing anymore, vfan.com isnt either - the ideas for atr isnt up on the front page - i think some of this stuff should be headlines ----
but thats just opinion...
xoxox
i put yes though
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I just think going for something like this invites a power struggle that I wouldn't wish upon you guys. Seems like there was enough of that with one little thread on the ATR forum.
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and therefore if the official fan club is on this site, then why the heck should the official website be somewhere else?...this is ridiculous, how can you scatter these things all out like that, i dont see how it would work
and 500 people is NOT a lot, remember the official board has 20000 members, if people actually did something about it they could make a larger more powerful fan club there
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*in geeky tone* - "I would officially unofficially like to nominate myself as fanclub president" Vote for me People!!!!
:lol: LOL
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everyone got really quiet after i annouced my last bit --- ok - i will take that as a no!????
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this site isnt being updated as regularly as it should be if it is going to be the official fan-club --- i mean the central park meet-up isn't even up on events - they isnt a place to download media and view pictures that were not taken by nessaholics which i think is vital now that v-c.net isnt doing thier thing anymore, vfan.com isnt either - the ideas for atr isnt up on the front page - i think some of this stuff should be headlines ----
but thats just opinion...
xoxox
i put yes though
Steph, I have been on vacation and still am actually so I am not up to date on what is all going on but, have you been making these suggestions at the VCUB? I mean that is why we have you, cause we value your input.
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letty - I MEAN THIS SITE NH.com.....
xoxoxo
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I mean that is why we have you, cause we value your input.
That's why you have me???? 8O
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I mean that is why we have you, cause we value your input.
That's why you have me???? 8O
I know that, that is why I asked if you suggested these things to the VCUB.
Yes, you are a giving person, you are insighful, creative etc. etc. Yes, why we have you, is that bad?
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no not bad i just thought you had me because i was a smart ass!!! :wink:
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Everyone needs to understadn that the Nessaholics.Com Forum is only one facet of Nessaholics.com.
So to say that Nessaholics.com shouldn't become the official fan club because it doesn't have 20,000+ members makes no sense. Nessaholics.com doesn't have "members" its Forums do.. just like VanessaCarlton.Com does not have members; the VCMB does.
Now it is true that recently, a major focus has been placed on interaction here in the Forums.. so as Steph pointed out, the other areas have sort of gone without updates... but oh my god... who cares? Joe has put an enormous amout of effort into designing great a great flash intro and a new flash interface. Most of the NH.Com team has had to put most of their effor into the Forum because, as is evident my those of you voting NO, you don't look much beyond the forum and so that is where they needed to focus at the moment.
When the idea of NESSAholics.Com becoming Vanessa's Official Fan Club was posed on the O-VCMB I thought it was a great idea. I still think it is. The official web page serves its purpose to give you a general blanketing of Vanessa... but a fan club needs to take it one step further... and with the people here who actually care and thake the time and effort to work and develop ideas into realities... Vanessa needs this going into VC2... and Personally I think would be stupid not to have NH.Com Official.
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is the reason for no downloads because of copyright laws? If we were official then we could have that no?
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I honestly don't see why not. Vanessa, at present, does not have a fan club, she has a fan base and there is a distinct difference. I think people here are very dedicated and to take time, money and effort in setting this up deserves far more than just a quick 'well done' and pat on the back.
The fact that there are no updates recently does not bother me, people do not always have time especially when they are studying and/or modifying the website at the same time. I think this website goes far and beyond the expected and i think we should be grateful for it- and show it by making it a true fan club: With competions, news letters, merch and so on.
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and therefore if the official fan club is on this site, then why the heck should the official website be somewhere else?...this is ridiculous, how can you scatter these things all out like that, i dont see how it would work
and 500 people is NOT a lot, remember the official board has 20000 members, if people actually did something about it they could make a larger more powerful fan club there
Pete it's not an option to have it on the official site. It seems that they are not willing to put any effort into an official fan club (it's been several months since they killed the street team and announced 'fan club coming soon'). So, rather than having no fan club, we think it would be better for NH.com to become the official fan club. Because we are willing to put the effort into maintaining a fan club for them.
NOTHING to do with message boards, that would still be the official website, official board, official news section, etc. It would be nice to have an official fan club on the same site, but it aint gonna happen. So we would like NH.com to be that fan club.
-Kev
P.S. Presumably if we were made official there would be a link to us from the official site, so nobody would be missing out on info.
P.P.S Good points Todd. Thanks.
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hmmmm
1. 20000 members? How about the ones that register and never come back? What about the people with multiple names especially the haters?
2. So what if some people stopped going to the o-board? Many some people don't have the patience to deal with threads that ask whether VC swallows or spits. The stuff on that board is out of control.
3. There was a point made that some people are too lazy to come to a different board. I know that when I enjoy something enough, going to a different board with more quality would not be an issue.
4. I think the NESSAholics site is outstanding. People are saying there hasn't been updates, but take a look at VC's official site. The only update I see is the news from time to time. What about a better media section. Does it still have 8 pictures or so?
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I voted yes. I can't see why not. As Kev said, there's no official fan club in sight, so why not have it here? This would not be the official page, which would still be VC.com, but it could be the place to get updates on most of the things going on with Vanessa. The o-board has more members, but the ones here are far more dedicated and willing to contribute, plus we have input from all over the world. Basing myself on my experience as o-board poster, and NH.com board poster, I can compare and see the fan club would be much better run by the dedicated fans on this site than by whoever is in charge of her official page. That would still remain there as basic reference (there's her bio there, plus tour dates, etc) but I can't think of a better place than this to run competitions, get concert pics, interact with the NESSAholics (this last bit used to be ok on the other board but it's not anymore), organize meet-ups, etc. Most of that is already going on, but we just need official support.
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I voted no. At the risk of being hated upon and persecuted, I've stated my comments which you can find here:
http://www.vanessacarlton.com/bboard/forumname/1403043_flat.html
Daniel
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i dont know, the idea seems shady to me-> you think maybe there was a reason that it didnt work on the official site?
and what extras would you get over here considering how much contact people here have with Vanessa herself.....i just dont think the suggestion holds any water
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hmmmm
4. I think the NESSAholics site is outstanding. People are saying there hasn't been updates, but take a look at VC's official site. The only update I see is the news from time to time. What about a better media section. Does it still have 8 pictures or so?
Couldn't agree more on that
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biased...no. Like GSU fan said about someone else taking over, and like Joe said we don't care. We just feel there should be one. As far as cliques or in groups, whatever... you are where you want to be.
As far as unfair contests, hardly. I am the one who got the last two prizes, we could care less. It's not a bribe it's a thank you for your help is all. I certainly don't need any prizes. A lot of people haven't ever had the chance to meet her or get her autograph, contests, etc. would give these people the chance.
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biased...no. Like GSU fan said about someone else taking over, and like Joe said we don't care. We just feel there should be one. As far as cliques or in groups, whatever... you are where you want to be.
As far as unfair contests, hardly. I am the one who got the last two prizes, we could care less. It's not a bribe it's a thank you for your help is all. I certainly don't need any prizes. A lot of people haven't ever had the chance to meet her or get her autograph, contests, etc. would give these people the chance.
agreed
My friend runs the No Doubt club. Its not completely official, but No Doubt hooks them up. They set up meet and greets and give away tickets and prizes. I think its an amazing opportunity for people who can't get their hands on tickets or meeting her and Let mentioned above. And I understand what GSU is talking about, but every experience is different. Just because it didn't work out for the poeple he mentioned in his example does not mean it would not work out for us. We can only know if we try.
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Ok OK --- my comment about updates to this site was taken care of personally by the webmaster of NH.com - and my point wasn't all like this site sucks there are no updates ---- I was saying IF this becomes the official site - people are going to have to update better than it is being done now..... understand????
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I voted no. At the risk of being hated upon and persecuted, I've stated my comments which you can find here:
http://www.vanessacarlton.com/bboard/forumname/1403043_flat.html
Daniel
hated & persecuted? Nah, you're points were good ones well made :)
Re: The competion thing. There will need to be a certain level of trust, but this would also be true for a "neutral" party. People can bear in mind that we have had two TRL competitions and 2 non-"inner circle" (btw, I hate the term inner circle ;)) won both times.
Thanks for your points.
-Kev
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Ok OK --- my comment about updates to this site was taken care of personally by the webmaster of NH.com - and my point wasn't all like this site sucks there are no updates ---- I was saying IF this becomes the official site - people are going to have to update better than it is being done now..... understand????
understood, but I was pointing out that by your comment... the official site should be updated more often.
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But... this wouldn't be the official site would it? This would be the site for the official fan club, a different thing from her official site. Or did I understand wrong?
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But... this wouldn't be the official site would it? This would be the site for the official fan club, a different thing from her official site. Or did I understand wrong?
you couldn't be more correct. :)
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I voted "no"....I don't need to explain myself.
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I voted Yes. :wink:
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i know - i think the official site needs to be cleaned up too!!!! damn it hasn't been updated in ages - this would be just the Fan club site!!!
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I voted no. But if you guys wanna shoot for it, go ahead. When things blow up between you guys and management--and they will--don't blame me.
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your honest feedback rocks. we wanted some overall positive and negative feedback before proceeding. for that, we appreciate your time greatly and you make a very valid point.
we'll see what happens... that is even *if* we get the support of making a fan club and making it official! eeeeee :)
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yes that would be great but one qeustion!!! dont you think that the official vanessa carlton website "www.vanessacartlon.com" shou;d be the fan club but nessaholics.com i like to so i say YES!!!!
Please find my first post in this thread. I already addressed the question that you asked ;) Thanks for the vote :) -Kev222
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your honest feedback rocks. we wanted some overall positive and negative feedback before proceeding.
But my feedback may be too negative for you all :P
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As long as it's honest
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I voted no. But if you guys wanna shoot for it, go ahead. When things blow up between you guys and management--and they will--don't blame me.
shoot you? nah! Thank you for being honest.
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I think it'd be a pretty good idea...............sure it doesn't have the numbers as the other one does from one aspect of looking at it.......how many of the amount in the group are really Vanessa fans.......I'm sure the ratio here would probably be better.......though that might also be because of the difference in numbers, no way to know unless it happened I guess
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I voted yes, This site has tons of cool stuff, info about nessa, fan's pics, cool forum, I mean what else is there to want? (and if you suggest and its possible, sometimes they do what you want lol)
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What ever happened to the fan club????
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What ever happened to the fan club????
Good question, I signed up for that a long time ago.
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Wow, so much drama, LOL.
Anyway, I voted yes. The reason I voted yes is because it seems like Vanessa's management or whatnot really hasn't seemed to take the lead in creating a fan club or supporting organization for Vanessa. This is very sad, considering that she has been around for more than a year and some people who are pop listeners STILL do not know who Vanessa Carlton is. (I know this to be true, because I get that blank stare, or a "Who?" whenever I mention her to people 99% of the time).
The fact that the team here wants to take the initiative to support, promote, and get Vanessa's name out there is cool. When the management fails, it falls to the dedicated fans to get their artist's name out there, and to get them radioplay, videoplay, etc. Some bands or artists are driven by label promotion, Avril Lavigne and 50 Cent are a few I can think of offhand, and some artists such as 3 Doors Down and Evanescence were more or less driven into the forefront by fan support and their fans getting their name out in the general public.
This isn't about message boards, what website represents the fan club, or any political BS like that, it is basically about promoting Vanessa and helping her get to the superstar status that most of us feel she deserves, and I know almost all of us can agree that we'd like to do that. So if the crew here at Nessaholics.com wants to take that responsibility on and promote and try to become the official fan club, hey, I will support and do anything I can to help.
-Brian
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*claps*
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F-in well said Brian.
-Kev
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I voted yes. I think vanessa needs an official fan club. It would give us much more power and solidify the 'fan' relationship between her and her fans. Plus however trivial support we might give her, is still support from people who have no financial interest and can keep her name floating around in the minds of people who have her cd in a stack of other cds and pull it out when reminded she exists from stuff in the media. Some people would argue vanessa needs no promotion, she promotes herself. But support from her more insane fans can none the less be useful. Plus some of us would like to fill our time trying to promote her as a form of entertainment, however small. Besides we might actaully kick some major booty....
:)
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I move that the Official Fan Club be at Vanessa's apartment and we all meet there the second and fourth Monday of every month except when it falls on a New Moon, in which case we should pass it to Wednesday. :)
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Just to let you all know this site hosts the worlds largest Vanessa Carlton setlist
Mike
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i say yes, cause the other board has kinda gotten bad... i used to love it there, but now not so much!
this boards cool tho :)
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Wow, so much drama, LOL.
Anyway, I voted yes. The reason I voted yes is because it seems like Vanessa's management or whatnot really hasn't seemed to take the lead in creating a fan club or supporting organization for Vanessa. This is very sad, considering that she has been around for more than a year and some people who are pop listeners STILL do not know who Vanessa Carlton is. (I know this to be true, because I get that blank stare, or a "Who?" whenever I mention her to people 99% of the time).
The fact that the team here wants to take the initiative to support, promote, and get Vanessa's name out there is cool. When the management fails, it falls to the dedicated fans to get their artist's name out there, and to get them radioplay, videoplay, etc. Some bands or artists are driven by label promotion, Avril Lavigne and 50 Cent are a few I can think of offhand, and some artists such as 3 Doors Down and Evanescence were more or less driven into the forefront by fan support and their fans getting their name out in the general public.
This isn't about message boards, what website represents the fan club, or any political BS like that, it is basically about promoting Vanessa and helping her get to the superstar status that most of us feel she deserves, and I know almost all of us can agree that we'd like to do that. So if the crew here at Nessaholics.com wants to take that responsibility on and promote and try to become the official fan club, hey, I will support and do anything I can to help.
-Brian
Six years later and, sadly, this is still true. I completely agree with you! We are very dedicated - we deserve to be official! :(