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Vanessa Carlton => Live Shows => Topic started by: thewreckage on October 13, 2007, 08:32:54 am
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didn't know whether to put this in this forum or in the tours one....wtv.
does anyone know if she hangs out at the venue before or after her shows? has anyone had any success trying to meet her at a show?
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yeah, i think she does hang out afterwards.
mandy (NolitaUnicorn) had success in meeting her recently after she waited for V after the gig had ended.
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she has been known to sign after a show......if your nice =)
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how long should i wait after the show though?
and where?
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it usually takes about an hour or sometimes more depending on the artist. Vanessa is pretty quick.
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Do you hang out outside the venue and catch her while she's leaving?
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i met her after her show.. she came out to sign and take pictures. i think it took like a half hour or so. :)
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i met her after her show.. she came out to sign and take pictures. i think it took like a half hour or so. :)
did you just stay were you were seated/standing or did you move anywhere?
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i stayed after the show at the roxy for about a half hour and she came out to where we were standing. just make sure you stand close to the entrance because you have to form a line. i was the thrid one in line.
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mmhmm I will do that =]
stand by the entrance form a line. nice
I can't wait for my first V concert!
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it just depends. I've met her afterwards at times and then there were times she was tired or not feeling well and just waved and rushed into a bus or van or whatever.
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It really depends on the show, venue, if there is a M&G after the show, etc.
Park West is the easiest venue I've been to to meet V, as the bus had to park out on the side street (North Orleans St.) and we just waited over there for her to come out. As others have said, it can take anywhere from 15 minutes post-show to an hour or hour and a half after.
V is pretty good about coming out, but there are times if she is sick, weather is bad, they have to roll to the next city, etc. she might not.
Before the show is really hit or miss depending on the venue.
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i think all of the nessaholics have met her multiple times by now, it isn't too hard.... i've seen her out around the venue before and after shows... one show she set up a meet and greet cos she felt bad that she was too sick to keep singing so she met every single person who went to the show instead. gotta love her :)
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i think all of the nessaholics have met her multiple times by now, it isn't too hard....quote]
Uh, not me... :wink:
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i think all of the nessaholics have met her multiple times by now, it isn't too hard....quote]
Uh, not me... :wink:
same here, I have been a fan for a while now but she just has not come around for a while
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I've meet her after every show I have gone to - 5 of them in total. She is amazing at showing up after the show to sign autographs, take photos, chat, etc. Much better than any other artist who is reasonably famous that I have ever seen. I am very impressed with her attention to her fans. One of the major reasons why I love V.
It also helps if you tell her you are a Nessaholic - she knows about us and sometimes that is the sole reason she will come out to say hi. (recalling a show with a bunch of us in attendance: We asked Mike after the show if V would see us. He said only because we were Nessaholics! haha!) Othertimes it is sort of like - if you buy the album from us tonight, V will sign it. I have 3 copies of Harmonium because of this!
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I like how after the Roxy Show, there was a big group of teens who called themselves the Nessaholics and Irv was like "oh so you're the nessaholics!" :? And then Let and Katia actually told them that they were the one's who started Nessaholics.com
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i stayed after the show at the roxy for about a half hour and she came out to where we were standing. just make sure you stand close to the entrance because you have to form a line. i was the thrid one in line.
yea that's where i met her. :) my friends and i were the first ones. the 5 of us wearing matching t shirts hahaha. do you remember?
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Sometimes I wish I lived in USA...Hopefully she'll come to Europe too.
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Will she add more dates?? Will she come to Forida??
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i think all of the nessaholics have met her multiple times by now, it isn't too hard....
Uh, not me... :wink:
Me neither... Switzerland is far far away.. lol
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Will she add more dates?? Will she come to Forida??
apparently she's playing city place on Nov 30th in Boca Raton, but i'm not too sure of how true that is.
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Will she add more dates?? Will she come to Forida??
apparently she's playing city place on Nov 30th in Boca Raton, but i'm not too sure of how true that is.
Thanks! I just went to the website and it's true. And it's FREE!
Friday November 30 at 7pm
http://www.cityplace.com/index.asp
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i had the lucky dumbluck chance of meeting and hanging with her before the show.
I asked if she was gonna stick around after the show she said probably not but maybe since they had to go to los angeles the next day.
Turns out she did, because I saw some people on the forum who took pictures with her afterwards.
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What time has she been getting to the venues like how mnay hours before the start of the show?
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well when I saw her it was like
4 hours before the show.
And I'm guessing she was there before that too.
And she stayed for a really long time too.
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ok so she gets there about 4 hours before the show did she go through the front doors of the venue? or like the back or something? did you go up to her or did she go up to you?
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Usually they'll take her through the side door, depending on the venue of course.
The bus was there when we got to Seattle, but when V went in with Mark for soundcheck she walked in the front door right past Katia, Kev, and I. She said hi to us.
When they brought her in for the show, she came in through the side door because the band room at the Croc is tiny.
If you're thinking about strategy for Park West, I would guess she'll go in the front door and come out the side door.
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Usually they'll take her through the side door, depending on the venue of course.
The bus was there when we got to Seattle, but when V went in with Mark for soundcheck she walked in the front door right past Katia, Kev, and I. She said hi to us.
When they brought her in for the show, she came in through the side door because they band room at the Croc is tiny.
If you're thinking about strategy for Park West, I would guess she'll go in the front door and come out the side door.
nice lol thats whats I'm thinking of =] I was just on the phone with my best buddy whos coming and it was getting pretty cool lol
can't wait for the show!
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Just wait on the wall across from the bus after the show. :)
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nice.
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Could someone help me with this? I would absolutely love to meet her after seeing her this summer. Any tips or anything? Thanks! :)
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I think with how long it has been since she last toured and the CD just coming out the week of her shows, she will be signing after. Of course it all depends on how she is feeling and what her schedule is.
I'm pretty sure she came out after every show I went to in 2007 (and that was 7) I think she really appreciates her fans' support and definitely expresses and shows that whenever she can. I only saw her a few times in the last few years but I do believe she came out after all of those as well. She's the best!!
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She has done a meet and greet at half of the shows I have attended...the shows where she did not meet the fans were those where there were thousands in the audience (a toys for tots charity where mandy moore, backstreet boys, etc. were present) and a music in the park performance in downtown San Jose (huge city, highly publicized).
For her tours, she usually does a meet and greet as the shows are relatively small.
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When you say that she did a 'meet and greet', do you mean like a formal meet and greet with like an organized way of doing this, or just a thing where you have to wait at the back door for like an hour before she comes out? I really am not educated in this, so pardon my ineducation in this. ;D
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For the concert on her tour that I went to, it was more like waiting at her bus in a line to see her...i mean mark (her body guard) was standing out there kind of keeping things under control, but I would say it was more of a luck thing, in the sense that the venue had nothing to do with it.
The private concert I won tickets to from a radio station had a formal meet and greet. They gave everyone promotional posters and had V sitting at a table signing them and such.
I would expect the first of the two.
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i already posted this once, but you know..... I am honestly oblivious to this.... Does V do any meet n greets after shows? Or is it more like you have to leave right after the concert to get a glance of her out at her bus? I am going to the LA show on July 8th. Any tips or such? I have heard that I have a good chance of meeting her, but just wanted that confirmed. Thanks! :)
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I would kind of like to meet her/take pictures with her after the show too. But I might be too awestruck from the concert experience. I don't know if I could handle it! :D LOL. I don't want to come off as the crazy/obsessed fan that I am. But to answer your question, I don't know if she does meet and greets. :-\ Sorry.
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i already posted this once, but you know..... I am honestly oblivious to this.... Does V do any meet n greets after shows? Or is it more like you have to leave right after the concert to get a glance of her out at her bus? I am going to the LA show on July 8th. Any tips or such? I have heard that I have a good chance of meeting her, but just wanted that confirmed. Thanks! :)
I moved your topic and merged it back over here. It is the most appropriate spot.
Your question has been answered. But I'll make it a bit more clear.
Meet and Greet is a term mostly used by pre arranged/organized events. Such as radio contest winners etc. Those you will know ahead of time where to meet and what time. They are usually nothing more than a photo and or autograph.
Vanessa will usually announce if she is going to sign at the merch table or some other specific place. If she does not I suggest you ask at the merchandise table, they usually know or can find out for you.
What Shelby suggested is waiting by the bus or whatever mode of transportation she is using. Mindful to not block walkways etc. The tour manager will usually say that she will be out shortly or that she is not coming at all. Be patient, it sometimes takes a LONG time (depends on if she has friends/family at the show, there are M&Gs after, interviews, etc.) be respectful.
Sometimes they say no photos or you can have one or the other or even only have one item signed. Remember there are a lot of people waiting and she doesn't have time to have tea with you so make it short and sweet. Not to mention it will probably be late and she is tired. She is a real person, maybe even just as shy or nervous as you.
I suggest you go with the idea that it won't happen that way if it doesn't happen you won't be too disappointed. But like I said. I am sure she wil be signing.
Largo has a cute little courtyard. I can see her signing there. I don't see anywhere to wait for her but I don't think there are too many ways in or out. When I was there I saw the band entering the iron gate and the green room often.
So yeah... Hope that helps.
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The time I met her I waited out by her tour bus after the show. There were some other people out there waiting too so that's how I knew where to go!
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just to clarify as well... I was joking when I said lets go cuss them out. Like I said, after the initial anger wore off, I'm reasonable enough to understand that people have different opinions. I was angered by someone saying she is a bitch. I was angered when people put down all three of her albums because I feel they are equally wonderful, but in their own unique ways. Someone said she has shown no growth, which is BULL honkey if you ask me. But that's just the thing, like you said eclv, we all have our own opinions, I just don't always appreciate when others don't agree with me hehehe ;D
Sorry, I still stand by my statement that VC is a huge snob. And I'm not the only one who has said it. First time I saw her in Philly in 02, we were leaving the show, walking to our car about 30 or 40mins after the show had ended (we got a steak sandwich first), and it just so happened VC was walking to her bus in front of us (we had parked in the lot next to where her bus was parked). I spotted her first, but without saying anything we kept walking and sure enough V and her assistant (?) were heading towards the bus, so at this point I knew it was her, and then a little girl (maybe 8years old) who had already been waiting near the bus who saw her coming said "Mommy! it's Vanessa!"...whoever VC was walking with looked at the little girl and said V will sign autographs later, and then they both hurried onto the tour bus and closed and latched the door. We stuck around for about 30mins (mind you, it was December, so pretty chilly out)....V never came out and the look on the 8 years old face was sadness. Her assistant did come out and say that V was on the phone or some BS excuse....I just remember the look on that little girl's face. It's not like a herd of people were bombarding her, just myself, my friend, and the little girl (her parents didn't seem interested in V lol). That just rubbed me the wrong way.
Later on, at a show in October 04, Vanessa did the same thing, there were a few more fans this time tho, she quickly ran onto the bus and didn't even say Hi or thanks to the fans. Pure snob moment.
There was also a show in my area (Allentown, Crocodile Rock) where she attened a 3rd Eye Blind show, when she got out of the van heading into the show, she ran right inside, where as 3EB (albeit briefly) did wave and sign a few autographs. Not her tho. Quick, get inside, SUNLIGHT! OH NOEZ! I can't totally blame her here tho, I mean, it wasn't exactly her fanbase, but a few people did yell Vanessa...no acknowledgement, nothing. Just right inside.
Well, that's my opinion....maybe she's changed in years past...but those incidences just rubbed me the wrong way. If you weren't a hardcore fan, and you got snobbed like that, would your opinion on that artist differ? I don't think so.
Hopefully that clears some things up. Nothing was said to be hurtful to anyone. Just opinions on that matter.
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i wrote about this somewhere else in a different thread, when I find it, I can repost it here. My theory on why others may perceive her as 'bitch' or 'snob'
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Alright, well that was your experience and that's too bad. You don't know, maybe she was sick, tired, had something else to do. She does not owe us anything. Yes, a hello, wave or whatever is nice but you just don't know. Maybe she didn't see the you all, maybe the assistant didn't give her the message. Didn't want to take someone else's spotlight as it wasn't her show. None of this means she is a snob.
It is about the music and that's all it should be about. Anypersonal interaction is a bonus.
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You are in no place to judge someone. People have off days maybe she didn't feel like signing anything. She's mentioned she has depression. Also, may I remind you it seems like she has made these past two albums for the fans...I'm sure it was for her too but...I dont think shes doing it for the money. She financed this album herself...she didnt HAVE to make it. She did it for us. Yeah...what a snob. ::)
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As for the discussion about her attitude towards fans, I have a few thoughts based on my own experiences. No, I'm not a musician, nor do I have any fans but I do have experience with insecurities. I am an extremely shy person (in real life; the computer gives me boldness). When I am in public situations, and back when I was in school I RARELY talk (though I am getting better as I get older). I have since learned to at least put a smile on my face, but I didn't used to and people thought I was a bitch! I'm only quite because I fear rejection, I'm afraid of sounding stupid, I hate my nasal voice, and I am ALWAYS nervous that people will not like me. Now, you might be thinking, what does this have to do with Vanessa?? People love her, they tell her they love her and her music! Depression and insecurities run very deep and you can't just snap your fingers to make them go away. If you have a bad day or are feeling particularly down on yourself, even if you just played a set in front of fans, nothing matters but that deep well of darkness. How I feel on the inside is often reflected on how I treat people, even the ones that love me (especially the ones that love me). I am only guessing that Vanessa has some sort of depression based on her music mainly (and why I connect so deeply to it and her). With the new information we have about her being bisexual it ALL makes sense to me. She was most likely denying to everyone and to herself that she is bisexual. Denying a part of yourself, hating a part of yourself that you cannot change, thinking others won't like you if they know, and not feeling worth anything. Combine this all with the fact that she is in the public eye being judged, she has put her soul to record and people are not liking it, and it's not successful...that is just a recipe for depression. So she might not feel like talking to people because of what is going on inside of her. She also seems very introspective and thoughtful, if not old fashioned and I think this is why she doesn't necessarily use technology to her advantage and stay in touch with her fans as others do. She's not the type to make a tweet every time she goes to the bathroom. I mean, wouldn't you rather have these clever, witty, thoughtful tweets that keep us guessing and in discussion (and to look up who the heck Jack K is and then maybe expand our own minds by reading him as well?) than to know every move she makes? I don't think she'd be the V we love if she were to do that.
( I posted this in "will you still be a fan after heros and thieves)
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there is also the fact that she MAY have done a meet and greet before the show like she did at the the concert I went to in Feb at the college. we waited for her after just in case, but she went out a different way than she came in so we missed her. I don't blame her for that, she probably had a very long day.
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Alright, well that was your experience and that's too bad. You don't know, maybe she was sick, tired, had something else to do. She does not owe us anything. Yes, a hello, wave or whatever is nice but you just don't know. Maybe she didn't see the you all, maybe the assistant didn't give her the message. Didn't want to take someone else's spotlight as it wasn't her show. None of this means she is a snob.
It is about the music and that's all it should be about. Anypersonal interaction is a bonus.
This is way off topic and as soon as I find out where to put it, it will be moved.
No she saw us. She looked at the little girl and then looked at us, and just continued on her way.
I'm not judging her, or anything. I'm stating my experiences, and I've read the same attitude from her from other NON nessaholics. So it's not just an "off day" or whatever you holics are calling it ;)
I totally get how you want to stick up for her, completely understand. I'm not saying you can't have your opinions. Just like I don't expect you to like every AM song either.
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there is also the fact that she MAY have done a meet and greet before the show like she did at the the concert I went to in Feb at the college. we waited for her after just in case, but she went out a different way than she came in so we missed her. I don't blame her for that, she probably had a very long day.
No, there was no Meet and Greet at either show. (Though, at the 3EB show, the M+G was after the show -- but this had nothing to do with VC...just 3EB...)
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You are in no place to judge someone. People have off days maybe she didn't feel like signing anything. She's mentioned she has depression. Also, may I remind you it seems like she has made these past two albums for the fans...I'm sure it was for her too but...I dont think shes doing it for the money. She financed this album herself...she didnt HAVE to make it. She did it for us. Yeah...what a snob. ::)
These experiences do not reflect in any current review about Rabbits On The Run. I was merely expressing my distaste for her repeated (what I call snobby) behavior in real-person. Perhaps it's because I'm used to AM coming OVER TO US and saying hi, sign autos, chat with us, take individual pictures with us, hug us and thank us repeatedly for our support and show her gratitude to us (as we do her).
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Alright, well that was your experience and that's too bad. You don't know, maybe she was sick, tired, had something else to do. She does not owe us anything. Yes, a hello, wave or whatever is nice but you just don't know. Maybe she didn't see the you all, maybe the assistant didn't give her the message. Didn't want to take someone else's spotlight as it wasn't her show. None of this means she is a snob.
It is about the music and that's all it should be about. Anypersonal interaction is a bonus.
This is way off topic and as soon as I find out where to put it, it will be moved.
No she saw us. She looked at the little girl and then looked at us, and just continued on her way.
I'm not judging her, or anything. I'm stating my experiences, and I've read the same attitude from her from other NON nessaholics. So it's not just an "off day" or whatever you holics are calling it ;)
I totally get how you want to stick up for her, completely understand. I'm not saying you can't have your opinions. Just like I don't expect you to like every AM song either.
No, we don't have to like every song, in fact, I stopped listening to AM after her second album. I don't believe she had a mainstream hit (inthe US anyway, to my knowledge which is admittedly limited because I don't listen to radio) BUT I'm not going to disrespect her by saying it sucked or that there were only 2 good songs, ect. I have respect for her because she is also an artist with unique attributes to the extent that I'm sure I don't understand.
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You are in no place to judge someone. People have off days maybe she didn't feel like signing anything. She's mentioned she has depression. Also, may I remind you it seems like she has made these past two albums for the fans...I'm sure it was for her too but...I dont think shes doing it for the money. She financed this album herself...she didnt HAVE to make it. She did it for us. Yeah...what a snob. ::)
These experiences do not reflect in any current review about Rabbits On The Run. I was merely expressing my distaste for her repeated (what I call snobby) behavior in real-person. Perhaps it's because I'm used to AM coming OVER TO US and saying hi, sign autos, chat with us, take individual pictures with us, hug us and thank us repeatedly for our support and show her gratitude to us (as we do her).
vanessa knows a few nessaholics by name. I think your experiences were exceptions to the rule.
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You are in no place to judge someone. People have off days maybe she didn't feel like signing anything. She's mentioned she has depression. Also, may I remind you it seems like she has made these past two albums for the fans...I'm sure it was for her too but...I dont think shes doing it for the money. She financed this album herself...she didnt HAVE to make it. She did it for us. Yeah...what a snob. ::)
These experiences do not reflect in any current review about Rabbits On The Run. I was merely expressing my distaste for her repeated (what I call snobby) behavior in real-person. Perhaps it's because I'm used to AM coming OVER TO US and saying hi, sign autos, chat with us, take individual pictures with us, hug us and thank us repeatedly for our support and show her gratitude to us (as we do her).
vanessa knows a few nessaholics by name. I think your experiences were exceptions to the rule.
That may be so, however, my experiences aren't the only 'bad taste' ones. That sure is a lot of 'exceptions'. There are plenty of others I've heard about via forums (I believe most were posted on the official VC forum, which doesn't seem to be active anymore?). And since you had already posted a "theory" on why others perceive her this way, it's obviously a known issue within the VC community...and not something that's just coming out of the blue.....
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@alanisrox69: I would like to apologize to you and state that at one point Nessaholics were NOT this irregularly fanatical, and we were very diverse, respectful and accepting of others' disagreement on VC.
... wow to think back, that was a long long time ago, when her official forum during the Harmonium era was filled with very different but humble fans.
now it is scary to read comments of these hard-core VC fans and see how blindly they are in attacking absolutely anyone who just does not praise Vanessa as THE Goddess.
sad sad sad. Shame on the rest of Vanessa's fans. if she has any. because yup you are right, alanisrox69, Vanessa Carlton is not the nicest idol out there. Which is completely fine by me. but the it is the reactions of these obsessed Nessaholics that turned me against Vanessa herself. and the community has been dwindling down ever since these hardcore fans took over.
I miss the old friends on these boards. I wonder if they still care enough for VC to sometimes check the forum now that she is releasing a new album.
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I would just suggest if you plan on seeing any of Vanessa's new shows, you provide your opinion again on whether or not you still think she is a "snob." your examples are from the '02 and '04 years and i have seen a very large change in Vanessa since that time. She was so busy and so in high demand around those years and struggling to figure out who she was... every show i've seen from 07 to 11 she has come out to talk, sign, take pictures, etc. I'm not saying this is going to be the norm now for *every* show but it certainly seems to be a more recent pattern.
Calvin -- who do you miss? there are a bunch of folks still around that i've seen coming out of the woodworks. :) and really, who are these humble fans you speak of on the oboard?! usually the oboard was just plagued with spam and bickering (which now seems to have moved here... lol great!)
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I would just suggest if you plan on seeing any of Vanessa's new shows, you provide your opinion again on whether or not you still think she is a "snob." your examples are from the '02 and '04 years and i have seen a very large change in Vanessa since that time. She was so busy and so in high demand around those years and struggling to figure out who she was... every show i've seen from 07 to 11 she has come out to talk, sign, take pictures, etc. I'm not saying this is going to be the norm now for *every* show but it certainly seems to be a more recent pattern.
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Agreed. She's always been nice enough to come out and sign. I can only think of 1 or 2 occasions where she didn't. And I've seen her come out even when she's looked exhausted from touring.
She recognizes those who come out often and have been around for a long time, and I for one, adore her for that.
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I'm reminded of that quote that speaks of something about wanting a new pair of shoes until I saw a man who had no feet ... You should honestly just be happy dude to have even SEEN her LIVE in concert.
There are hardcore fans (Hint: Me) here who haven't had the fortune/opportunity to even SEE her LIVE.
Not complaining. Just. Meh. :(
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@alanisrox69: I would like to apologize to you and state that at one point Nessaholics were NOT this irregularly fanatical, and we were very diverse, respectful and accepting of others' disagreement on VC.
... wow to think back, that was a long long time ago, when her official forum during the Harmonium era was filled with very different but humble fans.
now it is scary to read comments of these hard-core VC fans and see how blindly they are in attacking absolutely anyone who just does not praise Vanessa as THE Goddess.
sad sad sad. Shame on the rest of Vanessa's fans. if she has any. because yup you are right, alanisrox69, Vanessa Carlton is not the nicest idol out there. Which is completely fine by me. but the it is the reactions of these obsessed Nessaholics that turned me against Vanessa herself. and the community has been dwindling down ever since these hardcore fans took over.
I miss the old friends on these boards. I wonder if they still care enough for VC to sometimes check the forum now that she is releasing a new album.
I hope you realize I was not "blindly attacking absolutely anyone" I didn't post anything on the AM boards that wasn't polite. And I don't think I've ever posted anything here that wasn't polite or phrased with "in my opinion" or "I think" because I don't want to state something as absolute fact. I think it's a shame that you feel the need to talk down to us and that we would be the reason not to support Vanessa. I have not been an official nessaholic since the beginning but ever since I have, I've been greeted with open arms and I may be wrong, but most of the same people who started this website are still here. For the most part, there isn't even bashing of other artists, and when someone does, they apologize saying, "Im a music snob" or I really just don't prefer that type of music, etc. I saw none of that. Everyone was just joining in! oh well, that's why you're there, and we're here. I have learned to just not go to other boards.
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My first experience meeting Vanessa was in CT: she was pretty sick (had a bad cold), she still did the whole show and still agreed to meet me after the show (somehow I managed to "score" a m&g through the venue staff, I guess that was VERY lucky).
She's always been more than nice to me ever since. Sure, she always keeps some distance (compared to Kelly Clarkson or Marié Digby who I also love) but I think it's just the way she is as a person.
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I love how this argument has been going on for the better part of 9 years. lol
At the end of the day, every musician, actor, athlete, public figure, etc. is a person. You have the same right to ask the person next to you in the elevator at work for an autograph as you do a public figure. Sure, a public figure has more incentive to please you for their own reputation, but it's not something that you should go into a show expecting to get an autograph or get chatted up unless it is something pre-arranged such as a meet and greet or advertised signing.
It'd be like you leaving work every day and having 20 or 30 people lined up trying to tell you how great of a job you did and expecting you to talk to each and every one of them. Some days that is cool, but I'm sure some days you just want to go home, or have other responsibilities you need to tend to first.
I've wanted for many celebrities in my day, sometimes you're waiting 5 minutes, sometimes you wait 2 hours. Sometimes they come out, sometimes they don't. It depends on what is going on. Often times they have friends/family/etc. who have been invited to the venue or are on the bus and that stuff takes priority. It is what it is. It's kind of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. If they stop and sign for 5-7 people, the other people who run over that don't get signatures are mad. If they don't sign for everyone to keep it consistent, that can easily be taken the wrong way, too.
Is V the most charismatic celebrity I've ever met? No. I'd say in general she is cordial. She appreciates her fans, but she isn't the type of person who is generally effusive in her appreciation. I've met other artists like Lenka and Brandi Carlile who start conversations with you and actually ask you if you want to take pictures with them, but that's just how they are.
I guess to me, it is what it is. People say Ryan Braun is a jerk because he doesn't sign a lot for free. I met him and he was a really nice guy. Same with Prince Fielder. It is disappointing when people have poor experiences with another person, especially a public figure, but without knowing why that experience happened typically I feel it is best to withhold judgment.
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She also seems very introspective and thoughtful, if not old fashioned and I think this is why she doesn't necessarily use technology to her advantage and stay in touch with her fans as others do. She's not the type to make a tweet every time she goes to the bathroom. I mean, wouldn't you rather have these clever, witty, thoughtful tweets that keep us guessing and in discussion (and to look up who the heck Jack K is and then maybe expand our own minds by reading him as well?) than to know every move she makes? I don't think she'd be the V we love if she were to do that.
( I posted this in "will you still be a fan after heros and thieves)
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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I would just suggest if you plan on seeing any of Vanessa's new shows, you provide your opinion again on whether or not you still think she is a "snob." your examples are from the '02 and '04 years and i have seen a very large change in Vanessa since that time. She was so busy and so in high demand around those years and struggling to figure out who she was... every show i've seen from 07 to 11 she has come out to talk, sign, take pictures, etc. I'm not saying this is going to be the norm now for *every* show but it certainly seems to be a more recent pattern.
Calvin -- who do you miss? there are a bunch of folks still around that i've seen coming out of the woodworks. :) and really, who are these humble fans you speak of on the oboard?! usually the oboard was just plagued with spam and bickering (which now seems to have moved here... lol great!)
-katia
I agree with Katia's theory about Vanessa being relatively busier during the earlier years of her career. That was my initial thought when I read about alanisrox69's encounters, as well. Her rise to fame after 'A Thousand Miles' was quick, but her "fall" was arguably quicker. Especially after Harmonium flopped (financially). Her career path hasn't been an easy walk, particularly during her growing years. She must have gone through a period of uncertainty; trying to achieve a balance between her glory years and her current ones. She even spoke about going through depression. It's hard to adapt. She's a human being. I believe that she is more at peace with herself and the state of her career at the moment, which explains why she's been more than generous with her time during most of her live shows these past few years. Based on my personal experience, she's been great.
Just my two cents.
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@alanisrox69: I would like to apologize to you and state that at one point Nessaholics were NOT this irregularly fanatical, and we were very diverse, respectful and accepting of others' disagreement on VC.
... wow to think back, that was a long long time ago, when her official forum during the Harmonium era was filled with very different but humble fans.
now it is scary to read comments of these hard-core VC fans and see how blindly they are in attacking absolutely anyone who just does not praise Vanessa as THE Goddess.
sad sad sad. Shame on the rest of Vanessa's fans. if she has any. because yup you are right, alanisrox69, Vanessa Carlton is not the nicest idol out there. Which is completely fine by me. but the it is the reactions of these obsessed Nessaholics that turned me against Vanessa herself. and the community has been dwindling down ever since these hardcore fans took over.
I miss the old friends on these boards. I wonder if they still care enough for VC to sometimes check the forum now that she is releasing a new album.
I hope you realize I was not "blindly attacking absolutely anyone" I didn't post anything on the AM boards that wasn't polite. And I don't think I've ever posted anything here that wasn't polite or phrased with "in my opinion" or "I think" because I don't want to state something as absolute fact. I think it's a shame that you feel the need to talk down to us and that we would be the reason not to support Vanessa. I have not been an official nessaholic since the beginning but ever since I have, I've been greeted with open arms and I may be wrong, but most of the same people who started this website are still here. For the most part, there isn't even bashing of other artists, and when someone does, they apologize saying, "Im a music snob" or I really just don't prefer that type of music, etc. I saw none of that. Everyone was just joining in! oh well, that's why you're there, and we're here. I have learned to just not go to other boards.
Yeah, this isn't the first jab I've read against the new "obsessed NESSAholics", and frankly, I don't think they're very polite. It's unwise to generalize. I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, granted that they don't undeservedly hurt others. I consider myself a "hardcore VC fan", but it really depends on your definition of hardcore. I'm not obnoxious about it. I don't consider Vanessa "THE Goddess". She is an exceptionally talented musician, not to mention a uniquely creative intellect, and I admire her for being both. That is not to say she isn't flawed. Not because she's Vanessa Carlton, but because she's a human being. We need to respect her circumstances, whatever they were/may be in the future.
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I would just suggest if you plan on seeing any of Vanessa's new shows, you provide your opinion again on whether or not you still think she is a "snob." your examples are from the '02 and '04 years and i have seen a very large change in Vanessa since that time. She was so busy and so in high demand around those years and struggling to figure out who she was... every show i've seen from 07 to 11 she has come out to talk, sign, take pictures, etc. I'm not saying this is going to be the norm now for *every* show but it certainly seems to be a more recent pattern.
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-katia
I agree with Katia's theory about Vanessa being relatively busier during the earlier years of her career. That my initial thought when I read about alanisrox69's encounters, as well. Her rise to fame after 'A Thousand Miles' was quick, but her "fall" was arguably quicker. Especially after Harmonium flopped (financially). Her career path hasn't been an easy walk, particularly during her growing years. She must have gone through a period of uncertainty; trying to achieve a balance between her glory years and her current ones; she even spoke about going through depression. It's hard to adapt. She's a human being. I believe that she is more at peace with herself and the state of her career at the moment, which explains why she's been more than generous with her time during most of her live shows these past few years. Based on my personal experience, she's been great.
Just my two cents.
Very well said . Although I bought ATM when it first came out, I'm only a Vanessa fan for a year (though I'm a huge fan now ;) ),so missed her first time round, so don't know what she was like then. I think it is also important to remember she was very young during that period, still really growing as an individual, I'm certainly a different person now in my 30's then I was in my early 20's.
The impression I get from reading posts on this board and from those who have been to gigs is that she seems to be quite willing to take time to meet with fans and sign autographs etc.. I would imagine that Vanessa is not really a well known celeb and so can pretty much walk around New York and it would be a very rare occasion that she might have a fan come up to her? Though if a fan did go up to her given that it would be quite rare, I am sure she would be approachable.
I have often gone up very famous soccer players in London in well known department stores, just to say that I am a fan and to thank them for giving me so much joy, I have always been extra polite to them when I have approached them and apologetic for disturbing them, I find if you follow this approach, the person will be just as nice back to you, always keep it simple and brief.
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I've met her several times. As many have said here, sometimes she comes out, sometimes she doesn't. It's not a requirement, and it does not matter what other artists do. ANY artist has a life outside of music and you just have zero idea of what else is happening. Maybe the artist in question felt the show sucked, maybe there was a fight with a family member or friend, maybe the record company was busting balls....it could be a hundred things.
The first time I met her, she said HI and chatted briefly to a group of us and excused herself. I'm assuming she had to go schmooze with a roomful of (I guess)industry people, because that is what I saw her do. This is the way the game is played.
A few times, she just went into the bus or waiting cab. But I have seen this with many artists. Was I disappointed? Sure, but it's how it goes. If you see a show and she has time, great. If not, don't take it personally, sit down, and have a sandwich.
Dan/NS
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CASE IN POINT. She's not a 'snob'. First hand experience that she is no snob.
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Does Vanessa usually meet fans after her shows? Just curious because I have yet to meet her and its been like 11 years since i started following her hahah
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She didn't at the last show I went to :P she just left through the back.
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That's a bummer. At the SF Show we waited for an hour outside for her to come out and she finally did.
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She usually hangs for a little bit post-show. I don't think she's around prior to the opening. I was fortunate enough to serendipitously run into her on a street corner in my city on the day of the show. Probably the best 5 minutes of my life.
Hope you get to meet her one day! We all deserve to. She. Is. Amazing.
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I have a big paper to write, so naturally I'm on here writing this intead...
I've only seen her live once, and it was at Ann Taylor for Fashion's Night Out last year (I was front row center - if anyone else tells you they were, they're lying hahaha). I didn't meet her per se, but she certainly didn't come across as a snob to me. While she was coming onstage, she walked right past me to get to the stairs (kind of weird that she had to walk through the crowd, but again it wasn't a real concert) and I said "hi, Vanessa!" really awkwardly and she said "hi" really awkwardly back. Epic XD
After the "concert," she came back down the stairs and walked through the crowd. She didn't walk very quickly, but it was clear she wasn't going to be signing autographs, taking pictures, etc. The person next to me was crying (tears of joy, I guess - seems a bit odd to me, but I guess I'm not a superfan haha), and her friends were like "take a picture with my friend, she's such a big fan!" It was clear Vanessa didn't want to, but she didn't want to be rude by being like "NO" so she was like "whaaat?" and acted like she didn't hear them, hahaha. I then said "thank you" for the concert and gave her a little wave, and she waved back kinda as she walked off, and then she went downstairs to the VIP room (how many VIPs went to Ann Taylor that night, I can't imagine XD). But yeah so no real interaction - actually I think she interacted with me more than with anyone else hahaha. Yay for being assertive!
I mean, in her defense if you have to take a picture with one person, pretty soon you have to take a picture with EVERYONE, so it's not fair to do something for one (crying) girl that you won't do for anyone else. But yeah, she didn't really interact with us. And again in her defense, a lot of people were talking while she was playing - at one point she was even like "this is a soft song, so I'm not sure if I should play it since it's loud in here" (she was talking about London), so if I were her I probably wouldn't have been in the mood to interact, either.
Just my experience, I felt like sharing. I thought she was perfectly nice, even if she didn't go out of her way to interact after the show. I would've liked a picture, but I understand that these things happen. It was a great concert, by the way! Ari was looking goooood.
tl;dr: The takeaway is that she's a real person. Sometimes she'll interact, sometimes she won't be in the mood to; sometimes she'll be outgoing and funny, and sometimes she'll just play her beautiful songs and not stay after.
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I have a big paper to write, so naturally I'm on here writing this intead...
I've only seen her live once, and it was at Ann Taylor for Fashion's Night Out last year (I was front row center - if anyone else tells you they were, they're lying hahaha). I didn't meet her per se, but she certainly didn't come across as a snob to me. While she was coming onstage, she walked right past me to get to the stairs (kind of weird that she had to walk through the crowd, but again it wasn't a real concert) and I said "hi, Vanessa!" really awkwardly and she said "hi" really awkwardly back. Epic XD
After the "concert," she came back down the stairs and walked through the crowd. She didn't walk very quickly, but it was clear she wasn't going to be signing autographs, taking pictures, etc. The person next to me was crying (tears of joy, I guess - seems a bit odd to me, but I guess I'm not a superfan haha), and her friends were like "take a picture with my friend, she's such a big fan!" It was clear Vanessa didn't want to, but she didn't want to be rude by being like "NO" so she was like "whaaat?" and acted like she didn't hear them, hahaha. I then said "thank you" for the concert and gave her a little wave, and she waved back kinda as she walked off, and then she went downstairs to the VIP room (how many VIPs went to Ann Taylor that night, I can't imagine XD). But yeah so no real interaction - actually I think she interacted with me more than with anyone else hahaha. Yay for being assertive!
I mean, in her defense if you have to take a picture with one person, pretty soon you have to take a picture with EVERYONE, so it's not fair to do something for one (crying) girl that you won't do for anyone else. But yeah, she didn't really interact with us. And again in her defense, a lot of people were talking while she was playing - at one point she was even like "this is a soft song, so I'm not sure if I should play it since it's loud in here" (she was talking about London), so if I were her I probably wouldn't have been in the mood to interact, either.
Just my experience, I felt like sharing. I thought she was perfectly nice, even if she didn't go out of her way to interact after the show. I would've liked a picture, but I understand that these things happen. It was a great concert, by the way! Ari was looking goooood.
tl;dr: The takeaway is that she's a real person. Sometimes she'll interact, sometimes she won't be in the mood to; sometimes she'll be outgoing and funny, and sometimes she'll just play her beautiful songs and not stay after.
Cause once you do something for one person, you have to do it for everyone else. Other wise it wouldn't be fair. :)
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I have a big paper to write, so naturally I'm on here writing this intead...
I've only seen her live once, and it was at Ann Taylor for Fashion's Night Out last year (I was front row center - if anyone else tells you they were, they're lying hahaha). I didn't meet her per se, but she certainly didn't come across as a snob to me. While she was coming onstage, she walked right past me to get to the stairs (kind of weird that she had to walk through the crowd, but again it wasn't a real concert) and I said "hi, Vanessa!" really awkwardly and she said "hi" really awkwardly back. Epic XD
After the "concert," she came back down the stairs and walked through the crowd. She didn't walk very quickly, but it was clear she wasn't going to be signing autographs, taking pictures, etc. The person next to me was crying (tears of joy, I guess - seems a bit odd to me, but I guess I'm not a superfan haha), and her friends were like "take a picture with my friend, she's such a big fan!" It was clear Vanessa didn't want to, but she didn't want to be rude by being like "NO" so she was like "whaaat?" and acted like she didn't hear them, hahaha. I then said "thank you" for the concert and gave her a little wave, and she waved back kinda as she walked off, and then she went downstairs to the VIP room (how many VIPs went to Ann Taylor that night, I can't imagine XD). But yeah so no real interaction - actually I think she interacted with me more than with anyone else hahaha. Yay for being assertive!
I mean, in her defense if you have to take a picture with one person, pretty soon you have to take a picture with EVERYONE, so it's not fair to do something for one (crying) girl that you won't do for anyone else. But yeah, she didn't really interact with us. And again in her defense, a lot of people were talking while she was playing - at one point she was even like "this is a soft song, so I'm not sure if I should play it since it's loud in here" (she was talking about London), so if I were her I probably wouldn't have been in the mood to interact, either.
Just my experience, I felt like sharing. I thought she was perfectly nice, even if she didn't go out of her way to interact after the show. I would've liked a picture, but I understand that these things happen. It was a great concert, by the way! Ari was looking goooood.
tl;dr: The takeaway is that she's a real person. Sometimes she'll interact, sometimes she won't be in the mood to; sometimes she'll be outgoing and funny, and sometimes she'll just play her beautiful songs and not stay after.
Cause once you do something for one person, you have to do it for everyone else. Other wise it wouldn't be fair. :)
Right, that's what I said haha
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I have a big paper to write, so naturally I'm on here writing this intead...
I've only seen her live once, and it was at Ann Taylor for Fashion's Night Out last year (I was front row center - if anyone else tells you they were, they're lying hahaha). I didn't meet her per se, but she certainly didn't come across as a snob to me. While she was coming onstage, she walked right past me to get to the stairs (kind of weird that she had to walk through the crowd, but again it wasn't a real concert) and I said "hi, Vanessa!" really awkwardly and she said "hi" really awkwardly back. Epic XD
After the "concert," she came back down the stairs and walked through the crowd. She didn't walk very quickly, but it was clear she wasn't going to be signing autographs, taking pictures, etc. The person next to me was crying (tears of joy, I guess - seems a bit odd to me, but I guess I'm not a superfan haha), and her friends were like "take a picture with my friend, she's such a big fan!" It was clear Vanessa didn't want to, but she didn't want to be rude by being like "NO" so she was like "whaaat?" and acted like she didn't hear them, hahaha. I then said "thank you" for the concert and gave her a little wave, and she waved back kinda as she walked off, and then she went downstairs to the VIP room (how many VIPs went to Ann Taylor that night, I can't imagine XD). But yeah so no real interaction - actually I think she interacted with me more than with anyone else hahaha. Yay for being assertive!
I mean, in her defense if you have to take a picture with one person, pretty soon you have to take a picture with EVERYONE, so it's not fair to do something for one (crying) girl that you won't do for anyone else. But yeah, she didn't really interact with us. And again in her defense, a lot of people were talking while she was playing - at one point she was even like "this is a soft song, so I'm not sure if I should play it since it's loud in here" (she was talking about London), so if I were her I probably wouldn't have been in the mood to interact, either.
Just my experience, I felt like sharing. I thought she was perfectly nice, even if she didn't go out of her way to interact after the show. I would've liked a picture, but I understand that these things happen. It was a great concert, by the way! Ari was looking goooood.
tl;dr: The takeaway is that she's a real person. Sometimes she'll interact, sometimes she won't be in the mood to; sometimes she'll be outgoing and funny, and sometimes she'll just play her beautiful songs and not stay after.
Cause once you do something for one person, you have to do it for everyone else. Other wise it wouldn't be fair. :)
Right, that's what I said haha
lol, I know :P
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Since Vanessa is the opening act for Matt Nathanson, does she leave the venue right after her set, or does she wait until his is over? I would like to try to meet her, but I'm not sure when I should be standing outside.
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Since Vanessa is the opening act for Matt Nathanson, does she leave the venue right after her set, or does she wait until his is over? I would like to try to meet her, but I'm not sure when I should be standing outside.
I was wondering that as well. But I think her track record would say that she is going to take off right after her set. I've already decided to scope the venue before hand to see alternative exits I could sneak out to!
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Since Vanessa is the opening act for Matt Nathanson, does she leave the venue right after her set, or does she wait until his is over? I would like to try to meet her, but I'm not sure when I should be standing outside.
I was wondering that as well. But I think her track record would say that she is going to take off right after her set. I've already decided to scope the venue before hand to see alternative exits I could sneak out to!
Same here! I'm probably going to head straight to the back door after she finishes her set.