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Other Topics => Completely Off-Topic => Topic started by: Laura on October 22, 2007, 03:03:26 pm
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from what i know, Malibu started yesterday, then the OC, irvine, san diego, the san fernando valley, san marcos, fallbrook, fontana, and country canyon. the fallbrook one is about 20-25 mins from me. Seems like my town is the only one thats not too affected, its just REALLY freaking windy here! looks like a storm outside.
Everyone in so cal okay??? hopefully it doesn't get windier tonight cuz i have class tonight. at least i think, my schools site is down for some reason.
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Do you know how LA is looking? My brother lives there and I haven't been able to talk to him today.
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i'm not sure, but one of my Paula friends lives in LA & she's fine so your brother should be too. i don't get cable here, so i've just been trying to find stuff online. haven't had time to watch cnn online yet..oh yeah this is probably all over cnn so you can keep up to date there i'm sure.
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LA is fine. It was smelling smoky yesterday, but not today.
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my cousin in san diego is in a shelter tonight
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^yeah i think san diego has it the worst.
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I wonder what the fuel supply was like. How thick things had grown before the fire, or do they do control burns enough...
When I lived there the Simi Hills burned to a char.
These are extreme conditions but those hills around L.A. are known for fire.
EDIT: Not to be disrespectful to anyone's feelings.
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my cousin in san diego is in a shelter tonight
aww that sucks :(
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my boyfriend's family was evacuated from canyon country... they brought their dog to stay at my house last night while they went to a hotel.... my aunt and cousin were also evacuated as well, the tree in their yard caught fire but the fire fighters got it in time.... and a girl i know's house burned down as well as my cousin's school.... its Armageddon in socal! :(
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The whole thing is terrible.
Seeing a house or property on fire is a surreal experience, but especially when it has happened to you it really hurts to watch stuff like all the videos out there about this.
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It's not terrible. It's not terrible at all.
If you choose to live in a place that is subject to wildfires, do not expect me to feel sorry for you when they happen.
Listen, ladies. Time for an ecology lesson. The way that section of land works is such that the wildfires actually RENEW the growth. The plant life there has evolved such that wildfires are part of the renewal process. Just like winter is to the NE and midwest.
How arrogant would we be if we moved north and then tried to stop winter from happening?
You say "how tragic." I say "serves you dumb fucks right for living there!"
Do you know why the Wildfires are so massive? Because we stop all of the little ones. We try so hard to stop the small fires that when a fire DOES catch, it's MASSIVE. Immagine a giant damn filling with water, and you just kep making the walls taller to hold it back. What happens when it breaks? It's a shit load worse than it would have been if you'd just gotten wet for the last decade.
This is not New Orleans where people moved there then over time the land has been worn away. People moved to those areas of CA and kept telling themselves "this won't happen to ME!" Yes. Yes it will.
And also, stop building your houses on mountains and crying when mud slides occur. And stop moving into the wilderness and crying when mountain lions eat your dog. I don't give a fuck. And no, you don't deserve federal funding.
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Andrew you are the only person i know who gets so riled at even himself posting he could turn an innocent word like dam into damn.
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Personally, I was just inquiring about it. Controlled burns do happen. I've actually been a part of setting up small fires designed to reduce the fuel on the forest floor in the sierra. And hauling away dead wood for personal firewood by permit from areas designated by the forest service. In these conditions, before the fire, you could probably hold up a cigarette and it would ignite.
Not to lecture people about living in the backwoods in hillbilly country where people become self-righteous because nothing ever happens there except fried chicken and running to hidden alcohol stills to keep from being bored to death. :wink:
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Personally, I was just inquiring about it. Controlled burns do happen. I've actually been a part of setting up small fires designed to reduce the fuel on the forest floor in the sierra. And hauling away dead wood for personal firewood by permit from areas designated by the forest service. In these conditions, before the fire, you could probably hold up a cigarette and it would ignite.
Not to lecture people about living in the backwoods in hillbilly country where people become self-righteous because nothing ever happens there except fried chicken and running to hidden alcohol stills to keep from being bored to death. :wink:
I can't decide which angle to take here...
First, there's the fact that you just posted a run on sentenace that isn't even actually a sentence.
Second, there's the fact that you obv don't know where Louisville is
Third, there's the fact that even if you were right and I did live out in the country, it wouldn't actually be relevant.
The reason I get so fed up with the "woah is me" atttitude from wildfires, earthquakes and landslides is because these are the same arrogant asshole Californians who 6 months ago were telling me how awesome it is to not have a winter and how they feel sorry for us eastern folk who have to deal with snow.
Yeah, fuck face? How's that "no winter" thing working out for you now? Don't gloat when it's nice and then cry when it bites you in the ass. Nothing is worse than a braggart who can't take it when shit gets flipped on them.
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The closest fire to my house is about 15-20 minutes away in Irvine.. and I work in Irvine. At home, the weather is HORRIBLE. The wind is out of control and you can't even escape the smoke when you're inside. Yesterday morning I found a dead cat in front of my house... probably because it suffocated or because it inhaled smoke. It was really sad. :(
From my house, you could see a giant (HUGE) cloud of smoke from afar and as I was driving to work yesterday, I was getting closer and closer to it until I realized, crap my work is in it. So all day yesterday and today, I've been sitting inside this smoke cloud and it's hard to breathe. The fire is on the other side of Irvine so they're not evacuating us or letting us leave work. And on top of it all, the wind is crazy. I seriously have never experienced wind like this. My car was swirving on the freeway Sunday night. It looks like death outside. There's just dirt and dust and smoke everywhere. Trees have fallen over, the streets are filled with trash and the sky is brown. It's really scary and depressing.
The reason I get so fed up with the "woah is me" atttitude from wildfires, earthquakes and landslides is because these are the same arrogant asshole Californians who 6 months ago were telling me how awesome it is to not have a winter and how they feel sorry for us eastern folk who have to deal with snow.
Yeah, fuck face? How's that "no winter" thing working out for you now? Don't gloat when it's nice and then cry when it bites you in the ass. Nothing is worse than a braggart who can't take it when shit gets flipped on them.
Whatever, we do have bomb weather. And just because some people here like to brag about it, doesn't mean we deserve to have hundreds and hundreds of homes burn down. I could see your point if we were talking about sunshine and then it rained on us. But we're talking about dangerous fires that have already taken one life and are threatening thousands more. We do have awesome weather most of the time and what is it to you if we brag about it? I can't believe you'd sit there and say that these people deserve to have their lives torn apart.
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Whatever, we do have bomb weather. And just because some people here like to brag about it, doesn't mean we deserve to have hundreds and hundreds of homes burn down. I could see your point if we were talking about sunshine and then it rained on us. But we're talking about dangerous fires that have already taken one life and are threatening thousands more. We do have awesome weather most of the time and what is it to you if we brag about it? I can't believe you'd sit there and say that these people deserve to have their lives torn apart.
Let me make this very clear to you: YOU CAUSE THE FIRES.
If you didn't live there, and didn't try and stop the fires year after year after year, the fires would be small. But people do, so when they finally break free, they burn EVERYTHING.
it is the fault of the people who choose to live there.
They absolutly deserve it.
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Let me make this very clear to you: YOU CAUSE THE FIRES.
If you didn't live there, and didn't try and stop the fires year after year after year, the fires would be small. But people do, so when they finally break free, they burn EVERYTHING.
it is the fault of the people who choose to live there.
They absolutly deserve it.
really? we all personally try to stop the fires year after year? i've lived here all my life and i can only remember one other fire and i had nothing to do with stopping it. obviously there's been tons of other fires, but clearly since i don't even know about them, i had NOTHING to do with causing them OR stopping them. you can't say that every california resident, or ANY resident, deserves this. we're just living here minding our own business... i'm sorry my mother gave birth to me in california and i'm 19 and not even close to having enough money to live elsewhere let alone move out of the state. to say that we deserve it for simply LIVING here is ridiculous.
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really? we all personally try to stop the fires year after year? i've lived here all my life and i can only remember one other fire and i had nothing to do with stopping it. obviously there's been tons of other fires, but clearly since i don't even know about them, i had NOTHING to do with causing them OR stopping them. you can't say that every california resident, or ANY resident, deserves this. we're just living here minding our own business... i'm sorry my mother gave birth to me in california and i'm 19 and not even close to having enough money to live elsewhere let alone move out of the state. to say that we deserve it for simply LIVING here is ridiculous.
Seriously, what are you actually? 12? 11? Maybe if you keep telling yourself your powerless you'll get your wish.
Your family could have moved at any time. Saying it's not your fault because you're only 19 is pathetic. Ask DivaSteph how long she's been taking care of herself.
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Seriously, what are you actually? 12? 11? Maybe if you keep telling yourself your powerless you'll get your wish.
Your family could have moved at any time. Saying it's not your fault because you're only 19 is pathetic. Ask DivaSteph how long she's been taking care of herself.
haha yes, i'm actually 12... i thought i fooled you.
whatever. it's my fault california is burning. i'm going to go tell my family and friends that i've been lazy my whole life, but i'm gonna start taking care of myself and peace out. i'm moving to kentucky where no one can blame me for burning down a state. PLEASE.
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Eeee, I saw that on the news, this is crazy.
I really hope everyone here from Cali is okay.
Makes me worried about my ex-gf who lives in SD... :?
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Andrew that is the most god damn stupid fucking thing that has EVER come out of your mouth, and most of the stuff that comes out of your mouth is bullshit anyway.
We do not cause the fires, it is caused by the dry weather and the heat. They said we were going to have a dry winter.
It is no one's fault for starting them, its nature. We cannot help but to save lives and put out the fires of people's homes, schools, and other areas that are starting to continue to get out of control. If we just let the fires keep on going, they would grow and spread and then everything would be destroyed.
You always want to be right, you always want to put people down, you always want to make things seem darker and worse than they are. Just stop it already. Have some god damn sympathy for the people who are caught in these things, they live there. They CHOOSE to live there yes, but no matter where you live there will ALWAYS be a risk. Even in Kentucky.
I am okay, along with other Southern Californians, I heard it was mostly Northern California. Peace be with everyone being hurt by the fires.
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What he's saying comes from earth science.
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It's unfortunate, but it's true that the reason the wild fires get so bad is because the dried leaves and debris build up so much when we keep them from happening, that when one slips by it's usually huge.
It's also stupid, in my opinion, to live places where earthquakes are regular occurences... especially if you own a multi million dollar home.
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What he's saying comes from earth science.
You mean what I'm concerned about is based on earth science. What Grakthis is saying is something most people would consider an immature egotistical expression of a personal position based on earth science and some sick twisted idea of petty insignificant revenge. :lol:
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It's unfortunate, but it's true that the reason the wild fires get so bad is because the dried leaves and debris build up so much when we keep them from happening, that when one slips by it's usually huge.
It's also stupid, in my opinion, to live places where earthquakes are regular occurences... especially if you own a multi million dollar home.
Yeah, but if you think they are stupid for living there, why do you want stupid people to move up to the northeast? I thought that was the whole point of California. :wink:
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Grakthis, stfu and go eat your fried chicken.
Maybe people choose to live here because they enjoy the Californian lifestyle? You midwesterners wouldn't know, you're too busy milking cows and such. It's all the poor people who do this to us. They drive up our lavish mansion-lined hills, smoke their cigarettes and flick them out of their shitty Toyotas, then the burning cigarette goes down a cliff and catches on fire because of the wind (I've witnessed this happen). Why do they do this? So us wealthy people who have worked hard to be where we are are forced to be evacuated? Pathetic. :roll:
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It's not terrible. It's not terrible at all.
If you choose to live in a place that is subject to wildfires, do not expect me to feel sorry for you when they happen.
You are an ASSHOLE. You don't think it's terrible that people could possibly DIE from all these fires? Do you not know how many fires are burning here? obviously not. its not just in the mountain areas & in the "wilderness" areas, they are actually IN the cities! hell there's one in mine & we NEVER get fires in this part of town. there's basically one in every city. it's so big that over 500,000 people had to be evacuated. Don't you dare tell me all 500,000 should have known this would happen thats a hell of a lot of people to take that chance.
if your house ever burns down i won't feel sorry for you thats for sure.
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Let me make this very clear to you: YOU CAUSE THE FIRES.
If you didn't live there, and didn't try and stop the fires year after year after year, the fires would be small. But people do, so when they finally break free, they burn EVERYTHING.
it is the fault of the people who choose to live there.
They absolutly deserve it.
what the hell are you supposed to do, let the fires burn everything down & kill people??? you make NO sense! you are a freaking moron.
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Eeee, I saw that on the news, this is crazy.
I really hope everyone here from Cali is okay.
Makes me worried about my ex-gf who lives in SD... :?
omg ghisy, CALL HER. like i said earlier, san diego has it the worst i believe. one person has already died there.
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I've had to deal with salvaging fire ravaged shit before, not fun. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Anyway, lets stop the arguing and talk about the story at hand here and its impact instead of pointing fingers and saying whose fault it is/was/could be/etc., because frankly it doesn't matter.
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i lurve fried chicken...
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maybe if people started ignoring Grakthis' ridiculous comments and feeding his ego he'd get off his high horse, take the stick out of his ass and get over himself.
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Grakthis reminds me of satan....
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maybe if people started ignoring Grakthis' ridiculous comments and feeding his ego he'd get off his high horse, take the stick out of his ass and get over himself.
haha my cousin cracks me up!
I do love Andrew, but we all know he can be an asshole! He also loves to argue!
I love you, Andrew! xoxo
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maybe if people started ignoring Grakthis' ridiculous comments and feeding his ego he'd get off his high horse, take the stick out of his ass and get over himself.
no i don't think we should ignore him, i think we should stick up for ourselves.
nicole, you & jessica are cousins?
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:roll: So said Hitler's Girlfriend.
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:roll: So said Hitler's Girlfriend.
Who are you referring to?
Some people on this forum can be extremely annoying, some can be lured out of their tents very easily, some just can't seem to keep their big mouth shut, and some seem to be way too bored, or don't seem to have a life, making a lot of threads filled with discussions, making them go off topic.
Not much wrong with that, it's just too bad that often, it seems to be necessary to call others names (how old are you all again?? :lol: ) or whine about how someone can't make a correct sentence while you can't even spell the word 'sentence' correctly.
I think that maybe, Andrew is a bit bored and likes to rile people up by throwing a comment into a thread that he knows will make people go insane.
And of course they take the bait. :D
Ok, now on topic:
I feel terrible for all the people (and animals, sheesh) that are somehow affected by the fires, and I really hope that the damage won't get any worse than it already is.
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It's unfortunate, but it's true that the reason the wild fires get so bad is because the dried leaves and debris build up so much when we keep them from happening, that when one slips by it's usually huge.
It's also stupid, in my opinion, to live places where earthquakes are regular occurences... especially if you own a multi million dollar home.
4 of the top 10 most dangerous cities in the US are in California.
edit: dangerous due to natural disasters, that is.
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It's not terrible. It's not terrible at all.
If you choose to live in a place that is subject to wildfires, do not expect me to feel sorry for you when they happen.
You are an ASSHOLE. You don't think it's terrible that people could possibly DIE from all these fires? Do you not know how many fires are burning here? obviously not. its not just in the mountain areas & in the "wilderness" areas, they are actually IN the cities! hell there's one in mine & we NEVER get fires in this part of town. there's basically one in every city. it's so big that over 500,000 people had to be evacuated. Don't you dare tell me all 500,000 should have known this would happen thats a hell of a lot of people to take that chance.
if your house ever burns down i won't feel sorry for you thats for sure.
Hahahahaha.
If I catch my own house on fire, you shouldn't feel sorry for me. It's my fault!
CA caught their own state on fire and now they are asking for MY help bailing them out.
Why should I? They are just gonna rebuild right on the coals and catch their houses on fire again in 2 years.
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:roll: So said Hitler's Girlfriend.
YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!
Goodwins law wins again. Mods, you can go ahead and close this thread now! ^_^
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I love you, Andrew! xoxo
<3
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To whoever said that it's dumb to live in a place where there are earthquakes:
Earthquakes big enough to feel happen every 10 or so years. Earthquakes big enough to destruct happen every like, 70.
We don't get tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, OR floods where I live (which is practically right on a faultline), and large earthquakes are such a rare occurence that I barely think about it.
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To whoever said that it's dumb to live in a place where there are earthquakes:
Earthquakes big enough to feel happen every 10 or so years. Earthquakes big enough to destruct happen every like, 70.
We don't get tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, OR floods where I live (which is practically right on a faultline), and large earthquakes are such a rare occurence that I barely think about it.
amen! i don't remember feeling ANY earthquake my whole life. actually, i just found out that california was known for them like a couple years ago hahaha.
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It's not terrible. It's not terrible at all.
If you choose to live in a place that is subject to wildfires, do not expect me to feel sorry for you when they happen.
Listen, ladies. Time for an ecology lesson. The way that section of land works is such that the wildfires actually RENEW the growth. The plant life there has evolved such that wildfires are part of the renewal process. Just like winter is to the NE and midwest.
How arrogant would we be if we moved north and then tried to stop winter from happening?
You say "how tragic." I say "serves you dumb fucks right for living there!"
Do you know why the Wildfires are so massive? Because we stop all of the little ones. We try so hard to stop the small fires that when a fire DOES catch, it's MASSIVE. Immagine a giant damn filling with water, and you just kep making the walls taller to hold it back. What happens when it breaks? It's a shit load worse than it would have been if you'd just gotten wet for the last decade.
This is not New Orleans where people moved there then over time the land has been worn away. People moved to those areas of CA and kept telling themselves "this won't happen to ME!" Yes. Yes it will.
And also, stop building your houses on mountains and crying when mud slides occur. And stop moving into the wilderness and crying when mountain lions eat your dog. I don't give a fuck. And no, you don't deserve federal funding.
According to you, sympathy and empathy are wasteful emotions. What a great way to live your life.
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Well, in all my 24 years as a Califonia resident living within 100 miles of San Francisco, I felt 1 earthquake (Loma Prieta, 10/89). Californians as a whole are not stupid. We know that our state is prone to earthquakes. Thusly, we purchase insurance against these things. Californians who live in SoCal should also have earthquake insurance and fire insurance because lo and behold, this happens every year.
Now, I just moved to Texas, and in all my 2 months as a Texas resident living 200 miles from Houston, I've experienced 1 tropical storm (Erin!) and 1 hurricane (Humberto), and know that hurricanes/tropical storms have lots of wind and rain and cause flooding. Therefore, I have purchased flood insurance for my home. It is your responsiblity as a home owner to be aware of any and all risks to your home. However, if there was a massive earthquake in San Antonio, I'd be the first in line going WTF? lol
So here's a quick run down: West Coast - Earthquakes, wildfires and the occassional El Nino (woo floods!), Gulf Coast - Hurricanes and the associated flooding and wind damage, Tornado Alley/Midwest - Tornados (no shit), North East - blizzards. Please don't be suprised when these things happen to you. Because they will. Be prepared and be smart.
That said, I do feel sorry for those who have lost their possessions because I'd be bummed if I lost everything as well. It's totally reasonable to feel sorry for anyone who loses something to a natural disaster. You just need to be aware that these things can and will happen to you too.
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According to you, sympathy and empathy are wasteful emotions. What a great way to live your life.
They are both wonderful emotions. Save them for people who deserve them.
The very nature of tragedy is often that it is self-inflicted. There is a difference between wishing it didn't happen and feeling sorry for the people it happens to.
I wish it didn't happen. But Wildfires of this nature are directly CAUSED by the people who live there. No other significant natural disaster in the US fits that description. Earthquakes, hurricanes, ice storms, tornados... all of those are done TO us. Wildfires are done BY us.
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But Wildfires of this nature are directly CAUSED by the people who live there. No other significant natural disaster in the US fits that description. Earthquakes, hurricanes, ice storms, tornados... all of those are done TO us. Wildfires are done BY us.
Not necessarily. Lightning strikes can also cause wildfires.
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Not necessarily. Lightning strikes can also cause wildfires.
It's not the spark that is the issue. It's the fact that if these occured naturally they would be small and would burn themselves out over maybe a mile or two.
The problem is that we put out fires so quickly, and do everything we can to stop them, on the west coast that when one finally breaks free it's got WAAAY more flamable material to burn than it should.
Like, immagine you kept piling sticks up in a room. Everyday you put a few more down. If you burned the sticks once a week, the fire would be small and tolerable. If you wait a year, it's gonna burn the whole house down.
That's what happens out west. They keep piling up sticks and they keep putting out the small fires.
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it's so depressing in my town. the smoke from the mountain fire or wherever the fire that i saw yesterday was is heading into the part of town where i live. it's so weird though, there's all this smoke over the city, but i haven't smelled smoke this whole week not even today. my mom said because the wind is blowing towards the oceans or something? i dont exactly remember.
its really eery here, i can't imagine what its like in san diego & all the cities that got it worse than us
Not necessarily. Lightning strikes can also cause wildfires.
It's not the spark that is the issue. It's the fact that if these occured naturally they would be small and would burn themselves out over maybe a mile or two.
The problem is that we put out fires so quickly, and do everything we can to stop them, on the west coast that when one finally breaks free it's got WAAAY more flamable material to burn than it should.
Like, immagine you kept piling sticks up in a room. Everyday you put a few more down. If you burned the sticks once a week, the fire would be small and tolerable. If you wait a year, it's gonna burn the whole house down.
That's what happens out west. They keep piling up sticks and they keep putting out the small fires.
so we're just supposed to let fires have a chance of killing people & not put it out? your an idiot.
CA caught their own state on fire and now they are asking for MY help bailing them out.
Why should I? They are just gonna rebuild right on the coals and catch their houses on fire again in 2 years.
are you a firefighter? if not, why in the world would they ask for your help? you dont even live here
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Not necessarily. Lightning strikes can also cause wildfires.
It's not the spark that is the issue. It's the fact that if these occured naturally they would be small and would burn themselves out over maybe a mile or two.
The problem is that we put out fires so quickly, and do everything we can to stop them, on the west coast that when one finally breaks free it's got WAAAY more flamable material to burn than it should.
Like, immagine you kept piling sticks up in a room. Everyday you put a few more down. If you burned the sticks once a week, the fire would be small and tolerable. If you wait a year, it's gonna burn the whole house down.
That's what happens out west. They keep piling up sticks and they keep putting out the small fires.
That is not always the case grakthis. I think we know now part of the problem is the laid off seasonal firefighters.
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Insurance IS a good idea for homeowners. Survival kits are good too, even if you don't own a home.
The only reason we Northern Californians don't have the same kind of fires (we're getting the same winds) is that we've gotten a lot of rain recently. Otherwise, all of California would be up in flames. Scary thought. They're already having to ship our firefighters down to help out.
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ok now i can smell smoke..i just went to open my window. i dont know if there are anymore fires in my town or if its just from the fire that happened yesterday but yeah. if i can smell it in my room it must be really bad outside. glad i dont have to go anywhere till tomorrow!
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Insurance IS a good idea for homeowners. Survival kits are good too, even if you don't own a home.
The only reason we Northern Californians don't have the same kind of fires (we're getting the same winds) is that we've gotten a lot of rain recently. Otherwise, all of California would be up in flames. Scary thought. They're already having to ship our firefighters down to help out.
They sent firefighters from my town (San Antonio) too
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Same in NC.
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Insurance IS a good idea for homeowners. Survival kits are good too, even if you don't own a home.
The only reason we Northern Californians don't have the same kind of fires (we're getting the same winds) is that we've gotten a lot of rain recently. Otherwise, all of California would be up in flames. Scary thought. They're already having to ship our firefighters down to help out.
They sent firefighters from my town (San Antonio) too
I don't know, I think in Northern California they aren't called the Santa Ana winds. It's a totally different climatic situation. Partially because of the geography...at least when you get up towards the Bay Area. The San Fernando Valley is completely different then the Desert areas east of the Southern California coastline. I've seen models (maps) showing the dynamics of the Santa Ana winds through the Los Angeles Region, as well as larger regional ones with a more general visual description of the normal behavior the Santa Ana winds in areas around and south of Los Angeles, including San Diego. There is a reason they are concerned about them because they are not just high winds but very dry high winds that suck moisture out of everything as they move towards the ocean. And it is extreme. Dry desert air which is very thirsty for moisture moving past at very fast speeds increasing the rate of evaporation.
Are there any fires in Mexico near the area?
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Oh, okay. I don't consider myself much of a meteorology expert, so almost anything I say concerning the subject could be completely wrong.
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The smoke was really bad around here today.
And it's been confirmed that the Santiago fire was intentionally lit by a human being. Great.
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so was one of the ones in my town. maybe the 2nd one from today near my town, im not sure yet.
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It still smells like smoke, a friend of mine's buddy was sent to Irvine to go put out the fires (he's a fire fighter) after he just got done helping in Malibu. :( I hope he's okay.
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Oh, okay. I don't consider myself much of a meteorology expert, so almost anything I say concerning the subject could be completely wrong.
I'm not either, I'm just relating what I believe to be true. And what I've learned about the environment of the situation at hand.
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I know everyone was really worried about me being ok cause of the fact that the whole west cost is burning - but noho wasn't touched - thanks for your concern (sarcastic the whole thing is sarcastic - i know its hard to tell - i'm like at least 10 miles from any harm nooooo worries)
my asthma has been bothering me though - everyone in LA county has been recommended to stay indoors
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so we're just supposed to let fires have a chance of killing people & not put it out? your an idiot.
No. You're supposed to not live up in the mountains and in the plains where these fires occur.
If you didn't, they wouldn't spread to the big cities because they would never get big enough!
Tah Duh!
Kinda like not building your house in the mountains where the wildcats will eat your dogs, and not building your house on stilts on the beach where erosion will carry it away and not building your house in the hills where mudslides will wreck it.
Stop putting houses in RIDICULOUSLY dangerous places and then trying to change nature to suit you. Nature WILL NOT CHANGE. And everytime you put up a wall to stop it, it's going to get worse.
are you a firefighter? if not, why in the world would they ask for your help? you dont even live here
Laura, you're 21 years old. I should not have to explain federal aid to you.
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That is not always the case grakthis. I think we know now part of the problem is the laid off seasonal firefighters.
More fire fighers would have just delayed the problem.
We can't do the controlled burning that is neccesary because people put their houses there.
Can you immagine how many fire fighters you'd need to clear the brush out and move it far enough away from the houses so that you could safely burn it?
It's just not feasible.
As long as people keep building towards the areas where these fires occur, they will keep burning further and further into the cities.
This trail of houses going from the brushlands into the cities is like a gigantic WICK leading straight to downtown LA.
More fire fighters would just delay the problem.
The problem is human arrogance.
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There's only one "m" in imagine.
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This is sooo scary! It's not anywhere near my town (about 45 mins is the closest) though. I know my friends who go to the San Diego universities have had cancelled classes lately because they can't even breathe the air outside.
I can't believe the cause of some of them is thought to be arson! Some people are soooo sick!
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There's only one "m" in imagine.
There's only one "ass" in bite my ass >:3
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There's only one "m" in imagine.
There's only one "ass" in bite my ass >:3
There could be two; you just have to actually add it. As in, "Bite my ass' ass," which is like saying bite my donkey's ass. You could add to it and, "Bite my miserable old ass' ass."
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Jesus christ at a certain individual in this thread. :|
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No. You're supposed to not live up in the mountains and in the plains where these fires occur.
If you didn't, they wouldn't spread to the big cities because they would never get big enough!
Tah Duh!
Kinda like not building your house in the mountains where the wildcats will eat your dogs, and not building your house on stilts on the beach where erosion will carry it away and not building your house in the hills where mudslides will wreck it.
Stop putting houses in RIDICULOUSLY dangerous places and then trying to change nature to suit you. Nature WILL NOT CHANGE. And everytime you put up a wall to stop it, it's going to get worse.
Those fires could still spread to cities. Fires just don't go away on their own, do they? Plus people like ME cant help who lives in the mountains so don't blame all Californians.
Laura, you're 21 years old. I should not have to explain federal aid to you.
great, not only have you said the fires are my fault, but now your calling me stupid. i know federal aid helps people, like in Katrina & other things, but i don't really know much more info. about it. so i guess you'll just have to explain it because I'm so stupid.
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There's only one "m" in imagine.
There's only one "ass" in bite my ass >:3
You always correct other people, but aww now someone calls you out & you can't take it.
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Eh, I think he can take it.
That sounds dirty.
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/25/fire.arson/index.html
So apparently at least one of the fires was set by an arsonist. Yay.
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at least 1 in my town was set by one too. & a police caught another guy in my town trying to set one on the freaking freeway. people are morons.
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at least 1 in my town was set by one too. & a police caught another guy in my town trying to set one on the freaking freeway. people are morons.
OMG! which freeway?!
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I wonder if any of them were set with matches from a bar in Kentucky.
Just kidding of course.
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at least 1 in my town was set by one too. & a police caught another guy in my town trying to set one on the freaking freeway. people are morons.
OMG! which freeway?!
i'm not exactly sure, all i know is it was in my town. i forget what my boss said. and my town is temecula.
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Those fires could still spread to cities. Fires just don't go away on their own, do they? Plus people like ME cant help who lives in the mountains so don't blame all Californians.
They COULD spread to cities... and the sun COULD produce a solar flare big enough to wipe out all life on Earth. But you know, you plan for the stuff that's within your control and is actually likely to happen.
And yes you can control it. States have legislature. You are over 18.
great, not only have you said the fires are my fault, but now your calling me stupid. i know federal aid helps people, like in Katrina & other things, but i don't really know much more info. about it. so i guess you'll just have to explain it because I'm so stupid.
I'm not calling you stupid, I am calling you ignorant. There is a pretty massive difference.
Simply put, my tax dollars are being sunk into helping California with the wildfires that California residents (primarly the arrogant and wealthy) caused.
Immagine if KY tried to build the worlds tallest building, and it fell down due to poor design, and then we asked for federal funding to help us clean it up and rebuild it.
How would you feel about that?
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Eh, I think he can take it.
That sounds dirty.
Stop flirting with me. :rosie:
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Simply put, my tax dollars are being sunk into helping California with the wildfires that California residents (primarly the arrogant and wealthy) caused.
what about the fires that were caused by arson? the fire that started by me was proved to be arson.
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Simply put, my tax dollars are being sunk into helping California with the wildfires that California residents (primarly the arrogant and wealthy) caused.
what about the fires that were caused by arson? the fire that started by me was proved to be arson.
It doesn't matter what the initial spark was.
Totally irrelelvant; Lighting or arson. Neither changes the fact that the widespread damage was caused by the life choices.
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It's not hard to realize why though it may be arson it's still our fault:
You have 1 twig to begin with. If you wait until you have 1 gazillion twigs stacked up (by suppressing natural wild fires) , it doesn't matter what causes those twigs to ignite, it's still a BIGGER and WORSE fire because we kept stacking up the twigs instead of "disposing" of them in smaller batches previously.
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So if someone goes into a field and sets a fire and they are burned then it is our fault, especially if they nearly kill themselves?
McDonald's and hot coffee, ect., ect.
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I'm not calling you stupid, I am calling you ignorant. There is a pretty massive difference.
Simply put, my tax dollars are being sunk into helping California with the wildfires that California residents (primarly the arrogant and wealthy) caused.
Immagine if KY tried to build the worlds tallest building, and it fell down due to poor design, and then we asked for federal funding to help us clean it up and rebuild it.
How would you feel about that?
i'm ignorant because i don't know exactly what federal aid is? well excuse me Mr. know it all..but i work, live on my own & go to school so sorry if I don't know everything i should know. i'm more worried about other things right now.
but thanks for the explanation. & everyone gets taxes taken out, it's apart of life & something people like ME can't control. so like i said stop blaming ALL Californians.
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I'm not calling you stupid, I am calling you ignorant. There is a pretty massive difference.
Simply put, my tax dollars are being sunk into helping California with the wildfires that California residents (primarly the arrogant and wealthy) caused.
Immagine if KY tried to build the worlds tallest building, and it fell down due to poor design, and then we asked for federal funding to help us clean it up and rebuild it.
How would you feel about that?
i'm ignorant because i don't know exactly what federal aid is? well excuse me Mr. know it all..but i work, live on my own & go to school so sorry if I don't know everything i should know. i'm more worried about other things right now.
but thanks for the explanation. & everyone gets taxes taken out, it's apart of life & something people like ME can't control. so like i said stop blaming ALL Californians.
Do you not know what "ignorant" means? It's because you "don't have time" that you're ignorant. But it's not an excuse. Federal Aid is something your money goes towards, and it's your duty to know where the government spends it. They don't generally hide that information.
Most of the homes that are being shown on TV are million dollar houses in an area that naturally has wildfires. Other people get blamed for losing their houses based on where they live--i.e. Residents of New Orleans were blamed for living in a hole. But, that's besides the point. People like to believe it can't happen to them, and it can. With or without arsen, fires are a natural occurrence that would be a lot less damaging if they were allowed to burn. Earth has a way of healing itself, we just like to get in its way, and then people get upset when it still happens.
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Do you not know what "ignorant" means? It's because you "don't have time" that you're ignorant. But it's not an excuse. Federal Aid is something your money goes towards, and it's your duty to know where the government spends it. They don't generally hide that information.
Most of the homes that are being shown on TV are million dollar houses in an area that naturally has wildfires. Other people get blamed for losing their houses based on where they live--i.e. Residents of New Orleans were blamed for living in a hole. But, that's besides the point. People like to believe it can't happen to them, and it can. With or without arsen, fires are a natural occurrence that would be a lot less damaging if they were allowed to burn. Earth has a way of healing itself, we just like to get in its way, and then people get upset when it still happens.
Yes I know what ignorant means (once again someone trying to make me feel stupid, thanks). it means lack of knowledge, information, etc. It doesn't mean not having time to understand something. If it meant that then everyone is ignorant because everyone doesn't know everything that they are supposed to know.
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So if someone goes into a field and sets a fire and they are burned then it is our fault, especially if they nearly kill themselves?
McDonald's and hot coffee, ect., ect.
I just don't understand why people choose to permanently live in a place that is either naturally extremely dangerous (ie, volcanic activity, frequent earthquakes, below sea level, etc) or has had it's natural setting suppressed so much that it's an obvious & real danger to live there.
I really have no sympathy for millionaires who build their homes along cliffs & fault lines. If anything I feel bad for the lower class who almost have no choice and are stuck there since they were born there.
I guess you could say it's good population control though!
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Yes I know what ignorant means (once again someone trying to make me feel stupid, thanks). it means lack of knowledge, information, etc. It doesn't mean not having time to understand something. If it meant that then everyone is ignorant because everyone doesn't know everything that they are supposed to know.
When responding to Andrew, you questioned why he called you ignorant ("i'm ignorant because i don't know exactly what federal aid is?"). I was pointing out you lacked the knowledge because you apparently lacked the time; thus, you are ignorant towards the subject at hand. I wasn't giving you a definition of ignorant. And, yes, everyone is ignorant towards something.
I am not going to get into a lengthy argument. I will say this though: you clearly have time to post on here, which could be used for looking up information. If you want to argue something you don't know anything about, then you should probably look up the information before you start. It's not Andrew's or my job to give you information.
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Yes I know what ignorant means (once again someone trying to make me feel stupid, thanks). it means lack of knowledge, information, etc. It doesn't mean not having time to understand something. If it meant that then everyone is ignorant because everyone doesn't know everything that they are supposed to know.
When responding to Andrew, you questioned why he called you ignorant ("i'm ignorant because i don't know exactly what federal aid is?"). I was pointing out you lacked the knowledge because you apparently lacked the time; thus, you are ignorant towards the subject at hand. I wasn't giving you a definition of ignorant. And, yes, everyone is ignorant towards something.
I am not going to get into a lengthy argument. I will say this though: you clearly have time to post on here, which could be used for looking up information. If you want to argue something you don't know anything about, then you should probably look up the information before you start. It's not Andrew's or my job to give you information.
yes I have time to come on here. but thats because i'm taking a break from work, homework, and whatever else i have going on. i'm not gonna use my break to get more information crammed in my brain than i already have. i'm not gonna stress on a subject that some people think i should know more about. it's not the end of the world if i don't know everything about federal aid. i will continue to disagree that it's not ignorant..people who don't have time aren't ignorant, it's simply not having time.
im done arguing with you about this. this thread was just to inform people what was going on, didn't expect a damn debate blaming everyone for it. Good grief.
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So if someone goes into a field and sets a fire and they are burned then it is our fault, especially if they nearly kill themselves?
McDonald's and hot coffee, ect., ect.
I just don't understand why people choose to permanently live in a place that is either naturally extremely dangerous (ie, volcanic activity, frequent earthquakes, below sea level, etc) or has had it's natural setting suppressed so much that it's an obvious & real danger to live there.
I really have no sympathy for millionaires who build their homes along cliffs & fault lines. If anything I feel bad for the lower class who almost have no choice and are stuck there since they were born there.
I guess you could say it's good population control though!
I understand that. I think what most people have a problem with is that it's an inappropriate time for grakthis to be rubbing it in. It's like laughing and telling people you are glad when you saw the airplanes crashing into the twin towers just because people were rude to you when you went on a vacation in New York City recently. I'm overstating my point, but in addition we didn't have enough information to know what was going on in the first place to have a properly informed opinion.
I'm sure part of his 'Final Solution' :razz: is to blanket large areas with herbicide, possibly killing at least one race...erm...full genus of plants.:wink:
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I think what most people have a problem with is that it's an inappropriate time for grakthis to be rubbing it in. It's like laughing and telling people you are glad when you saw the airplanes crashing into the twin towers just because people were rude to you when you went on a vacation in New York City recently. I'm overstating my point, but in addition we didn't have enough information to know what was going on in the first place to have a properly informed opinion.
Ta dah, you got it right.
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Kid playing with matches started LA fires (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=/0-1-0&fp=47285c2a837cd9b9&ei=HngoR-_zMpbSpgLGocyRAw&url=http%3A//www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2777479.ece&cid=1122920780)
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I understand why people live in places with volcanoes and earthquakes, etc: they tend to be warm and beautiful. So fine, go live there, but if you're making that choice I'm not going to feel that bad when an earthquake hits. You could have lived in Ohio like me.
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^well some of us have no choice where we live for the last fucking time.
yeah, some people like divasteph have been supporting themselves for a long time as grak or someone pointed out, but everyone is different. i live on my own, but i don't wanna move away from my friends & family & everything i've known my whole life when i'm only 21. sorry but i'm not ready yet.
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Well technically you have a choice, Laura, you said yourself just don't want to move away. So if you don't want to, then you have to deal with it and deal with people not feeling bad when an earthquake wrecks your dorm or whatever. That really sucks but you could live somewhere else without earthquakes.
Five-year-old children don't have a choice. In that case, I don't understand why their parents choose to live there.
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Well technically you have a choice, Laura, you said yourself just don't want to move away. So if you don't want to, then you have to deal with it and deal with people not feeling bad when an earthquake wrecks your dorm or whatever. That really sucks but you could live somewhere else without earthquakes.
Five-year-old children don't have a choice. In that case, I don't understand why their parents choose to live there.
It's pointless to use logic or argue.
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i suppose this is true.
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^well some of us have no choice where we live for the last fucking time.
yeah, some people like divasteph have been supporting themselves for a long time as grak or someone pointed out, but everyone is different. i live on my own, but i don't wanna move away from my friends & family & everything i've known my whole life when i'm only 21. sorry but i'm not ready yet.
Since when does "I don't want to" equal "I can't."
I am pretty sure those are two wildly different concepts.
You live where you live because you choose to live there. Not moving is your choice. You choose to subject yourself to wildfires because you want to live there.
Which is fine. but then don't expect us to care when you burn your house down.
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i know i kinda have a choice, but at the same time i don't because i would never be able to survive in another state by myself without my family & friends. you may be able to, but like i said everyone's different.
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Yeah... the whole arguing, bickering, namecalling, etc. has gone far enough in here. Calm it down guys. Because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you automatically need to call them a douche or insult them.
The best case scenario is to just ignore people you don't agree with or just agree to disagree. Discretion is the better part of valor often times.
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i know i kinda have a choice, but at the same time i don't because i would never be able to survive in another state by myself without my family & friends. you may be able to, but like i said everyone's different.
That is what I've done. I've been solitude since I've moved to the city. Considering the condition I was in when I came here it is any wonder I had the strength to breath at times. That is not so far from the truth either. For some odd reason I just keep forging ahead. LOTS of stupidity, but it's more due to a period of time of where you feel like your soul is dwindling away like a candle flame. As dreamy and out there as I express myself sometimes, that isn't as poetic as it might come across. It felt very real. That is when you find out how strong, stubborn, and motivated you really are. It's when independence isn't a glamorous concept but a realization of some ingrained part of you.