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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: carterrocks on December 16, 2007, 11:35:10 am
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what do you guys think? I know its says H&T flopped but it also gives hope- hands on me? The person/reviewer also seems to like her so...
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H&T has flopped. But H&T also has the potential to blow up with the right single/video/promotion to go along with it.
It's not over yet. Let's just hope Irv gets things right the next time around.
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^^ I agree.
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Yeah, message to Irv from the Nessaholics - "Please don't fuck up!"
lol
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol
I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.
Who knows.
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol
I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.
Who knows.
Except she's always said she only plays the fame role to get her music out there for people to hear. Why switch to other things for fame's sake?
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol
I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.
Who knows.
ya i agree...itd be cool to see her out there in different ways...
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol
I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.
Who knows.
Except she's always said she only plays the fame role to get her music out there for people to hear. Why switch to other things for fame's sake?
Because acting and modeling will also get her music more exposure. If people become interested in what she does in other mediums, they'll also get more interested in her music.
I'm not suggesting that she seek fame for the sake of getting famous, but becoming more well known and recognizable has its perks. And acting is a creative, artistic medium. It's not vapid.
There's no such thing as selling out anymore, it's not the type of world we live in now.
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Acting? and turn into someone like Brit, Mariah and get Razzie Awards? haha, no way.
I still think NF is the right choice
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Acting? and turn into someone like Brit, Mariah and get Razzie Awards? haha, no way.
I still think NF is the right choice
I'm talking about supporting rolls in small indie films. Nothing like Glitter. lol
NF has run its course.
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I would like to see her in a Zach Braff movie or something like that.
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I personally don't understand who this cd was marketed to... My best assumption was 14 year old girls... I think she did better with the early 20-40 year olds... that was the target (in my eyes) with the other stuff... this is too poppy. I mean if she is going to sell out on this cd then why not on acting.... She did say at one time she would get breast implants to be the Tomb Raider, Laura Croft
and when I say sold out... I mean the way the cd is written... it is plastic... in my eyes- go ahead disagree, but her other things were a lot more solid
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if she goes for acting, I could love to see her in "Will & Grace" :razz:
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if she goes for acting, I could love to see her in "Will & Grace" :razz:
Is that still in production? I'm not arguing, blueglove, but I don't think she sold out, but I think H&T is a lot different than we are used to hearing from Nessa.
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If Vanessa already sold out with her music, wow I don't even know what I would call the people who actually did...
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I don't know what kind of effect this will have on you guys for saying this, but I'm allowed to speak my mind, so,
I think going into acting and modeling would be a bad idea if she doesn't want to. It would be selling herself out just for fame.
I say if we enjoy her music (which is obviously still coming), and we get others to, then great! But we don't have to make the whole world love Vanessa Carlton, because everybody has vastly different music tastes. I don't mean any offense on anyone when I say sometimes this 'nessaholics' thing can go a little bit too far. It is SO great that all of us appreciate and try to help Vanessa, but we don't have to obsess (not assuming all of you do).
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if she goes for acting, I could love to see her in "Will & Grace" :razz:
Is that still in production? I'm not arguing, blueglove, but I don't think she sold out, but I think H&T is a lot different than we are used to hearing from Nessa.
no WAG stopped like three or four years ago.. I know I was in high school... anyways not sold out in the sense of other people... I think i am just mad about the sound of the cd... i mean more that she was not sticking with her sound, and I don't think that she was spreading out... I think this took a few steps back... the music I ADORE... it is the mixing that was done with it.. Her and the piano are amazing
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anyways not sold out in the sense of other people... I think i am just mad about the sound of the cd... i mean more that she was not sticking with her sound, and I don't think that she was spreading out... I think this took a few steps back... the music I ADORE... it is the mixing that was done with it.. Her and the piano are amazing
I kinda know what you mean but i love H&T! I don't think the album is only marketed at 14 year old girls either. I really truly believe that at the very, very least, Home, The One, Spring Street, Come Undone, and Hands On Me would appeal to lots of people if/when they hear them.
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well I don't think she took a step back. Sure its def. no Harmonium! But its a lot better than Be Not Nobody, not to say that Be Not Nobody was bad but it just did not seem like her fully... anywho but yeah I don't think its a step back. Just my opinion.
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meh, I'm a bit unhopeful about this now. Vanessa's style really isn't mainstream. I love H&T but yeah...
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I dont think it has done terrible, she just isnt the commercial type, although her promoter made her say they were selling HAH in the lobby at the Sj concert last night. i think some people may have bought them.
GIVE HEROES AND THIEVES AS XMAS, HANUKA AND KWANZA GIFTS!!!!
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I don't know what kind of effect this will have on you guys for saying this, but I'm allowed to speak my mind, so,
I think going into acting and modeling would be a bad idea if she doesn't want to. It would be selling herself out just for fame.
I say if we enjoy her music (which is obviously still coming), and we get others to, then great! But we don't have to make the whole world love Vanessa Carlton, because everybody has vastly different music tastes. I don't mean any offense on anyone when I say sometimes this 'nessaholics' thing can go a little bit too far. It is SO great that all of us appreciate and try to help Vanessa, but we don't have to obsess (not assuming all of you do).
So far in this thread I've yet to see anyone obsessing over Vanessa. If you're looking for obsessed look to NolitaUnicorn and ILuvVanessa. lol
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I don't know what kind of effect this will have on you guys for saying this, but I'm allowed to speak my mind, so,
I think going into acting and modeling would be a bad idea if she doesn't want to. It would be selling herself out just for fame.
I say if we enjoy her music (which is obviously still coming), and we get others to, then great! But we don't have to make the whole world love Vanessa Carlton, because everybody has vastly different music tastes. I don't mean any offense on anyone when I say sometimes this 'nessaholics' thing can go a little bit too far. It is SO great that all of us appreciate and try to help Vanessa, but we don't have to obsess (not assuming all of you do).
So far in this thread I've yet to see anyone obsessing over Vanessa. If you're looking for obsessed look to NolitaUnicorn and ILuvVanessa. lol
I am obsessed and i love it!!!
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but its a good obsession, i doint intend on making people love her, i love her and i know everyone's different. V is just a very special person to me, she's my role model, and i just love her music.
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lol
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but its a good obsession, i doint intend on making people love her, i love her and i know everyone's different. V is just a very special person to me, she's my role model, and i just love her music.
Careful with that bill campaign you have.. it is a federal offense.. really illegal!!
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol
I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.
Who knows.
Except she's always said she only plays the fame role to get her music out there for people to hear. Why switch to other things for fame's sake?
Because acting and modeling will also get her music more exposure. If people become interested in what she does in other mediums, they'll also get more interested in her music.
I'm not suggesting that she seek fame for the sake of getting famous, but becoming more well known and recognizable has its perks. And acting is a creative, artistic medium. It's not vapid.
There's no such thing as selling out anymore, it's not the type of world we live in now.
But i don't get it....how can she want to be a singer and be know world wide for her music...but she doesn't wanna be famous...?? fame comes with the package...and if acting or any extra thing will help her...then she go for it...not that she isn't doing well as is...but if the opportunity arrises...she should go for it i think....
LOVE YA NESSA! :P
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I don't know what kind of effect this will have on you guys for saying this, but I'm allowed to speak my mind, so,
I think going into acting and modeling would be a bad idea if she doesn't want to. It would be selling herself out just for fame.
I say if we enjoy her music (which is obviously still coming), and we get others to, then great! But we don't have to make the whole world love Vanessa Carlton, because everybody has vastly different music tastes. I don't mean any offense on anyone when I say sometimes this 'nessaholics' thing can go a little bit too far. It is SO great that all of us appreciate and try to help Vanessa, but we don't have to obsess (not assuming all of you do).
yeah...i agree....I hate it when my sister makes me listen to her ACDC and Aerosmith songs......so we shouldnt do that to anyone, even if it means losing one nessa fan from the world :p but at the same time...there will be others who are willing to listen and then later become nessa fans... so all is well! :D
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I would like to see her in a Zach Braff movie or something like that.
Omg! I was thinking the same thing! <3 him
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol
I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.
Who knows.
Except she's always said she only plays the fame role to get her music out there for people to hear. Why switch to other things for fame's sake?
Because acting and modeling will also get her music more exposure. If people become interested in what she does in other mediums, they'll also get more interested in her music.
I'm not suggesting that she seek fame for the sake of getting famous, but becoming more well known and recognizable has its perks. And acting is a creative, artistic medium. It's not vapid.
There's no such thing as selling out anymore, it's not the type of world we live in now.
But i don't get it....how can she want to be a singer and be know world wide for her music...but she doesn't wanna be famous...?? fame comes with the package...and if acting or any extra thing will help her...then she go for it...not that she isn't doing well as is...but if the opportunity arrises...she should go for it i think....
LOVE YA NESSA! :P
She isn't doing well as is though. That's the thing. If you guys honestly don't think Vanessa desires mainstream success then she wouldn't have signed with Irv Gotti on a MAJOR LABEL. Becoming famous is part of the package that comes with being signed to a big label.
She would've gone to a small indie label that would've given her little exposure but would've allowed her to continue releasing music if she "didn't care about becoming famous".
She obviously wants to recreate the success she found with Be Not Nobody with H&T. That's why the label and critics are labeling it as her "comeback album". Yes, her style has changed but even though the means are different, the desired outcome is still the same.
Open your eyes guys, c'mon.
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hmm maybe SHE dosnt want to be famous, she wants her music to be famous. if she really wanted to be famous she would have already took an acting roll or a modeling job (she isnt even tall enough). if she also wanted to be famous she would live somewhere where the pop could takes photos of her, but she hates having her picture taken...maybe Im wrong..
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W&G ended in 2006
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Yes, she quite obviously wants her music to be out there rather than herself, or else she would totally sell out, making typical, already-been-done pop songs, and totally dumping all her morals. One reason I like her so much, is because her songs are way deeper and more unique than most.
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I know. Honestly, all it needs it promotion. I make my friends listen to V all the time in the car, and now they love the CD. They want it for Christmas. It's a good commerical album, the word just needs to get out.
I still think Vanessa should experiment with other mediums such as acting, or maybe even modeling. I mean, everyone does it these days, it's hard to be successful and not be well versed in different forms of entertainment these days. I could easily see her doing a supporting role for an indie film, like a black comedy or something. You know, small but impressionable appearances and such. And if the critics take to her maybe it's something she should pursue. lol
I don't claim to know how Vanessa should run her career, she'll do whatever she wants to do. But I'd like to see her getting herself out there in different ways. She won't have to lose her integrity by acting a bit or modeling, I actually think it'd be very cool.
Who knows.
Except she's always said she only plays the fame role to get her music out there for people to hear. Why switch to other things for fame's sake?
Because acting and modeling will also get her music more exposure. If people become interested in what she does in other mediums, they'll also get more interested in her music.
I'm not suggesting that she seek fame for the sake of getting famous, but becoming more well known and recognizable has its perks. And acting is a creative, artistic medium. It's not vapid.
There's no such thing as selling out anymore, it's not the type of world we live in now.
But i don't get it....how can she want to be a singer and be know world wide for her music...but she doesn't wanna be famous...?? fame comes with the package...and if acting or any extra thing will help her...then she go for it...not that she isn't doing well as is...but if the opportunity arrises...she should go for it i think....
LOVE YA NESSA! :P
She isn't doing well as is though. That's the thing. If you guys honestly don't think Vanessa desires mainstream success then she wouldn't have signed with Irv Gotti on a MAJOR LABEL. Becoming famous is part of the package that comes with being signed to a big label.
She would've gone to a small indie label that would've given her little exposure but would've allowed her to continue releasing music if she "didn't care about becoming famous".
She obviously wants to recreate the success she found with Be Not Nobody with H&T. That's why the label and critics are labeling it as her "comeback album". Yes, her style has changed but even though the means are different, the desired outcome is still the same.
Open your eyes guys, c'mon.
I agree with you Portions.for.foxes fully agree.
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totally agree with u too
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Here in Asia NF is doing great and continuously climbing up the chart.. Its very slow but oh well it is still growing...
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Honestly, Vanessa could be No. 1 in south east Asia and it still wouldn't help her. Private Radio did well on the charts in that region after Harmonium was released, and did that mean anything? No, it meant jack shit. Harmonium still tanked.
She needs to perform just as well where it counts, and unfortuneatly that's here in the States. If she does well here we'll see a trickle down effect in other countries.
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According to Wikipedia, she has sold about 102'000 copies of "Heroes & Thieves" worldwive. Do you guys thinks it's true ?
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i honestly do because it isnt realeased everywhere in the world and hasnt had very much publicity. it can do better if it was more known!
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I heared from H&T in this forum. :D
In my country, there was no advertising for the cd. :(
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Hands on me was a good song too... The video made me think of how even though we all feel interconnected with the internet, our technology is baised toward audio/visual. We don't really have the means of reaching out to each other and actually reach out and touch each other.
The lack of which might be a good thing in some cases; though it would revolutionize porn, and that jerk on the internet would get a sock in the mouth by 305 people at once. :razz:
I wonder if someone could express the sensation of touch, and what would be involved in doing so, with music or sound in general. I have a few ideas...
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I don't know what kind of effect this will have on you guys for saying this, but I'm allowed to speak my mind, so,
I think going into acting and modeling would be a bad idea if she doesn't want to. It would be selling herself out just for fame.
I say if we enjoy her music (which is obviously still coming), and we get others to, then great! But we don't have to make the whole world love Vanessa Carlton, because everybody has vastly different music tastes. I don't mean any offense on anyone when I say sometimes this 'nessaholics' thing can go a little bit too far. It is SO great that all of us appreciate and try to help Vanessa, but we don't have to obsess (not assuming all of you do).
I agree with you...Vanessa ougt to stick of what she knows best. If she wants to go into acting or modeling, she should go to acting or modeling school first, coz it's not an easy thing to do. One should work very hard on one subject or two. She's been a musician since the beginning.
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i think this is a better place to post this..
alright.. so i know this doesn't have much to do with this topic. but watching this, has made me feel 8972343% better about everything.
look.. if gotti believes this much in her, then i don't give a damn about how she does commercially. i mean, i never really have, but it's always been for me - if she (or most other artists i like) doesn't do well commercially for this album, maybe this is it; she won't make anymore music. but with how gotti seems to feel about her (she "can do no wrong"), and how stevie nicks basically told her that she's going to save the world from crappy music and she's the chosen singer/songwriter, how can you lose? i don't think that anything's going to stop vanessa from making the music that she loves, and we love, and gotti and stevie love. which is amazing.
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i think this is a better place to post this..
alright.. so i know this doesn't have much to do with this topic. but watching this, has made me feel 8972343% better about everything.
look.. if gotti believes this much in her, then i don't give a damn about how she does commercially. i mean, i never really have, but it's always been for me - if she (or most other artists i like) doesn't do well commercially for this album, maybe this is it; she won't make anymore music. but with how gotti seems to feel about her (she "can do no wrong"), and how stevie nicks basically told her that she's going to save the world from crappy music and she's the chosen singer/songwriter, how can you lose? i don't think that anything's going to stop vanessa from making the music that she loves, and we love, and gotti and stevie love. which is amazing.
I agree with you, it also makes me feel better about that "success problem".
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Does anyone know the sales of "Heroes & Thieves" ? The last number we had was 81'000 at the end of 2007.
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I have heard that sales worlwide were about 350,000 copies.. no?
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If it's true I think it's kinda good !
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I don't think it's anywhere near 350,000 worldwide.
It was at the 100,000 mark back in January.
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We're at the end of July, and Hands on me was a kinda "hit" in some places
I'm quite sure, it's about 300,000 copies..
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"hands on me" wasn't a hit anywhere, and we're definitley not at 300,000 copies, lol.
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forgive me everyone! is it a dumb question to ask how to obtain sales figures?
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forgive me everyone! is it a dumb question to ask how to obtain sales figures?
It's not. I also wanna know !
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for active albums that are still on the Billboard 200, we can know the sale figures through some music forum (I usually check the Pulse Music Board)
for old albums like H&T, it is hard. Sometimes Billboard articles do slip sale figures of the artist but it is not often. You can ask a guy in the Ask Billboard colum or the artist's label itself, lol.
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It annoys the hell out of me that she is not more popular. Unfortunately, Heroes and Thieves was a flop. I have a few ideas for what she can do in the future. I think the goal should be to get to a point where she can afford to release cds every few years. Possible venues in order to do this
1. Pursue using her music or at least a few songs as actual soundtrack music-did they even try with this last cd??
2. Market to the correct audience-I honestly do not get why her labels keep on trying to push her for a younger pop audience. Her music is made for an Ac/Hot Ac/Triple A crowd. Why fight it?
3. Think about writing songs for other people. All she needs is a song or two that she had a hand in writing to blow up or hell, even make it onto a major artist's cd and she could fund or help fund many, many cds from that.
I am so afraid that eventually she will not make another cd. I have seen artists fade into total obscurity before for financial or just fed up with it reasons and I would hate to see that happen to her so much. All she needs to do is find a way to keep funds moving in and have the right song at the right moment promoted the right way. The Kohls thing is good-I am hoping whatever her involvement is paid off for her.
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2. Market to the correct audience-I honestly do not get why her labels keep on trying to push her for a younger pop audience. Her music is made for an Ac/Hot Ac/Triple A crowd. Why fight it?
I've been thinking this, too. The Inc. seems to want to pus her on the younger crowd because that's who most of their artists are marketed toward. She'd do better going with the older crowd like Nora Jones and all of those people.
Don't worry, though. Two of my other favorite artists, Cyndi Lauper and Tracy Chapman, had very successful first albums too, but people stopped buying and now they play to a loyal audience of fans, so Vanessa will continue to make music. What the Inc is trying to do is win back the ATM crowd, and it just isn't going to happen. Vanessa is growing out of that pop genre and doing more mature stuff. Hopefully The Inc. and Stevie can help keep her relevant.
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They really need to sell H&T at starbucks and places like that, i could see a lot of those people who sit there and read or whatever listening to her.
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Those a good ideas Czarina !
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They really need to sell H&T at starbucks and places like that, i could see a lot of those people who sit there and read or whatever listening to her.
I totally agree! That would be awesome. People just assume she's such a pop princess because of "A Thousand Miles," but if they saw her album sitting with all those other "chill" artists like Sheryl Crow and Alanis Morissette, they might be more willing to give her a lesson.
That's kinda funny.. :lol:
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Sheryl Crow is more of a pop princess with that love is free song than vanessa has ever been.
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I remember Vanessa had a two year promoting deal for "Heroes & Thieves". I just don't see what they are doing for her... At least they could release "Spring Street" as a third radio-only single.
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I remember Vanessa had a two year promoting deal for "Heroes & Thieves". I just don't see what they are doing for her... At least they could release "Spring Street" as a third radio-only single.
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mmhmm now that I think of it they {Irv} did say in an interview that he
planned on working with the album for 2 years. wonder what happend
there
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Reality struck.
I have the feeling as soon as Irv realized H&T wasn't doing as well as he expected, The Inc. jumped ship and left Nessa to herself.
I'm not placing the blame solely on The Inc., but we all know they have more than a little say as far as promotion is concerned.
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You can't market something when clearly your aiming for the wrong demographic..the only smart thing left to do is go indie. But it's gonna take more work on Vanessas part...like I said before.
The record was promoted enough, the music isn't what people 'want' today...people don't appreciate real music anymore....The record industry has changed so much since 2002. Yes, BNN had great promotion but it also contained three timeless ego-less songs that caught on. You can't recreate that...you just have to grow and move on....and Vanessa did just that. She had a decent debut for how much her name was being thrown out there in October 07'......I don't get what everyone here was expecting? I know we all love and want more music...but if she really loves what she does success and income aside..the music will keep coming. It would have been soooooo worse off if they would have put hundreds of thousands of dollars into H&T(they put tons for the CW ads for Gossip Girl and Kohls)...that expences would have overweighed profit and then everyone would be screwed.
I don't think Vanessa will release her next album with The Inc, but I think they did just about enough.....you can't force the music down peoples throats.....if they don't bite, they don't bite.
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I agree you cant creat a hit. Once in awhile in class you here Da da dada (to the "A Thousand Miles" tune. And people will sing it happened today but nobody knows who it was that wrote the song. I think that Vanessa will do whats best for her shes done so, so far.