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Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ste_uel on December 19, 2007, 02:24:34 pm
I wanna know how many people here on the forums, support gay rights or not. Its ok if you do support or if you dont support, its your opinion. There is nothing wrong with telling people your beliefs. I DO! I wanna marry to my husband  :)  We 'are', but not legally
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Martin. on December 19, 2007, 03:23:05 pm
Absolutely! I'm all for equality.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: itsthefiveofus on December 19, 2007, 04:39:39 pm
I do.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on December 19, 2007, 07:19:48 pm
I can't say yes or no. I really don't know about my beliefs on that subject.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: PianoPlayer12 on December 19, 2007, 07:26:51 pm
ya i do. :)
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: heyheyitsaiste on December 21, 2007, 05:58:16 pm
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"
I can't say yes or no. I really don't know about my beliefs on that subject.


is there a reason for that or something? if you dont mind me asking.



I support it. Don't see why not to support it.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ste_uel on December 21, 2007, 07:08:06 pm
who doesn't? some people voted for 'no' but didnt say anything at all?  :?
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on December 21, 2007, 07:41:09 pm
Quote from: "heyheyitsaiste"
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"
I can't say yes or no. I really don't know about my beliefs on that subject.


is there a reason for that or something? if you dont mind me asking.



I support it. Don't see why not to support it.

Well I don't mean to go all religion on you all, but the Bible says it doesn't allow that, but personally I want to follow what the Bible says, but I totally believe in equality, so I'm in a tough place about deciding for that.
I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.

It's just kind of tough for me.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ste_uel on December 21, 2007, 08:28:16 pm
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"

I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.


well, I am gay and I am exactly like YOU, except I do not like the same sex as you, it is not a choice we made to be gay; it is what became of us.  Did you choose to have the looks that you have? NO, it was given to you.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on December 21, 2007, 09:23:49 pm
Quote from: "ste_uel"
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"

I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.


well, I am gay and I am exactly like YOU, except I do not like the same sex as you, it is not a choice we made to be gay; it is what became of us.  Did you choose to have the looks that you have? NO, it was given to you.

And yes, I understand that, and I completely accept that.
I am so VERY sorry if it came to be anything else than I meant, which was no offense at all. I just don't have an opinion yet.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Steveau on December 22, 2007, 01:49:16 pm
Quote from: "ste_uel"
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"

I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.


well, I am gay and I am exactly like YOU, except I do not like the same sex as you, it is not a choice we made to be gay; it is what became of us.  Did you choose to have the looks that you have? NO, it was given to you.

Anyone that thinks someone would choose to be gay in this world is ignorant.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: itsthefiveofus on December 22, 2007, 03:39:10 pm
its just the persons opinion, no need to get mad. I am gay and I just don't bother trying to get people to understand. Just le t things be. People just like conflict.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ste_uel on December 22, 2007, 03:57:18 pm
Quote from: "Steveau"
Quote from: "ste_uel"
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"

I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.


well, I am gay and I am exactly like YOU, except I do not like the same sex as you, it is not a choice we made to be gay; it is what became of us.  Did you choose to have the looks that you have? NO, it was given to you.

Anyone that thinks someone would choose to be gay in this world is ignorant.


I agree! I have been TOLD that it is a choice that I made to be gay,  NO WAY! why would I choose to go through so much shit? Why would I choose to be in fear every time I go somewhere or even walk out of my front door?
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Steveau on December 22, 2007, 04:01:34 pm
nobody is mad. I'm just saying it's not something you can choose just like nobody here chose their eye color.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Emmyspiano on December 22, 2007, 07:27:31 pm
This is a very strong subject for me. I am for gay rights all the way, and I get very upset when people frown upon this lifestyle. I understand all people have different thoughts about what it is "right" and I try my best to understand everyones different views. But I just can't seem to understand how anyone can not 'approve' of this lifestyle. It is natural, and it IS a way of life. In my college english class we had a debate over the subject of homosexuals being married, and I wanted to slap each person on the opposing side. They had ridiculous reasons for not wanting gay marriage to be allowed, and basically they were being so selfish People want to defend the bible, saying marriage is between a man a woman because that is what god intended. But what about those who don't beleive in god? and what about Jesus never turning people away? Arnt we supoosed to love people for who they are?  Arnt we supossed to be more like Jesus? If we are, we shouldnt turn people away. And what about god being perfect, he makes no mistakes right? So he made gay people. If the religous understand He makes no mistakes, how come they can't understand homosexuality. And don't even mention the pro-creation thing. God, heterosexuals are fucking all over the place and getting knocked up and havning children who might end up living in poverty or being neglected. Although homosexuals can't mate together they can adopt or have a sergeant mother, and obviously they are going to this because they want to have children.  This makes me so angry people can't accpet this. But hopefully in the VERY near future being gay wont be this huge topic. Having inter racial couples was basically a no-no and now we think nothing of it. So hopefully soon people wont think anything of being gay.  And why the hell is society obsessed with this subject, shouldnt we be thinking of people who are dying over seas?
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on December 22, 2007, 08:23:36 pm
Well, I was thinking about it harder. I was never against it in the first place, and I will never understand how hard it would be. I hate that homosexuals have to defend themselves so much, but I am absolutely pleased that they do. I also hate how much they are ridiculed, and how 'gay' is used in such an offensive way. So I now officially vote yes for supporting. It is SO far from a lost cause.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Zloska_of_yy on December 24, 2007, 04:48:12 am
Quote from: "ste_uel"
Quote from: "Steveau"
Quote from: "ste_uel"
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"

I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.


well, I am gay and I am exactly like YOU, except I do not like the same sex as you, it is not a choice we made to be gay; it is what became of us.  Did you choose to have the looks that you have? NO, it was given to you.

Anyone that thinks someone would choose to be gay in this world is ignorant.


I agree! I have been TOLD that it is a choice that I made to be gay,  NO WAY! why would I choose to go through so much shit? Why would I choose to be in fear every time I go somewhere or even walk out of my front door?


I think I made this argument in some other topic already, but I am going to repeat it anyway, because I think it is a strong argument as to why homosexuality cannot be a choice.

If being gay or not would indeed be a choice, then it would be logical that everybody (gay, straight or bi) makes this choice at some point in their lives. This is because making such a decision (or any decision at all for that matter) would be done actively, i.e. it would require some amount of thought before deciding. Now, for me personally I have never had this moment where I considered: "guys or girls........which do I like better??? Difficult choice, but I'm going for guys."

Anyway, the fact that some people assume that gay people do make this choice immediately implies that they themselves at some point in their lives would have to have considered whether they would be continuing as gay or straight. Now I bet that these people never considered such a choice. Hence if they did not make a choice about their sexuallity, then why would gay people have made such a choice? The only choice somebody makes in this, is whether they accept themselves as who they are or not (which is a different choice than what I am alluding to above)

I don't know if this line of reasoning is clear enough, but for me it is logical. Feel free to comment on this, because I'd like to hear what other people think about this.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on December 24, 2007, 01:33:53 pm
I understand comepletely, and it helps me know more and more I am definately for gay rights, but I never said it was a choice people made, and yes, one would have to be ignorant to assume it was a choice.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Nancy Drew on December 26, 2007, 09:44:52 pm
I voted no, I believe it is wrong and I don't support it. :)
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ste_uel on December 27, 2007, 12:58:43 pm
Quote from: "Nancy Drew"
I voted no, I believe it is wrong and I don't support it. :)


what is wrong with it"?  :roll:
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Nancy Drew on December 27, 2007, 07:01:54 pm
When the world started Men weren't supposed to be with Men, and Women weren't supposed to be with Women. God didn't make it that way.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Emmyspiano on December 28, 2007, 10:23:00 am
God made them Gay.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: vcfan on December 28, 2007, 11:04:57 am
i voted yes. and this is probably the funniest thing i've ever read:

12 Reasons Homosexuals Shouldn't Marry

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can`t legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears` 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn`t changed at all; women are property, blacks can`t marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That`s why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That`s why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven`t adapted to things like cars or longer life spans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: nat on December 28, 2007, 01:02:01 pm
i do
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ste_uel on December 28, 2007, 02:32:21 pm
Quote from: "SAMMIE CARTER"


3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.


:roll: word! that was pathetic!
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ste_uel on December 28, 2007, 02:37:29 pm
Quote from: "Steveau"

Anyone that thinks someone would choose to be gay in this world is ignorant.



I was looking at some videos at youtube.com and I saw a video where this guy running for president says that it is decision if you are gay or not,  WTF?   :evil:
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: vcfan on December 29, 2007, 03:45:48 am
Quote from: "ste_uel"
Quote from: "SAMMIE CARTER"


3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.


:roll: word! that was pathetic!


eek... you know it's meant to be sarcastic right? i mean, i'm pretty sure you know. but i realized maybe might think i seriously think gays shouldn't marry so i just want to make sure haha.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on December 29, 2007, 09:05:03 am
I do... for obvious reasons. haha

One thing that comes to mind right now, that somewhat irks me at the moment you could say, is the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy... Gay Americans fight wars to defend the democracy of their homeland, yet they are not allowed to reveal who they are as an individual. Seems a little hypocritical. Seems like the government made a law based on morals and personal beliefs, and that is just not okay.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: C'est la vie on December 31, 2007, 02:54:49 pm
I, personally, fully support gay rights. I don't think being gay is something that one can determine as being completely right or wrong. I think your sexually is something that is embedded in you, that you can't change, but I think people have problems grasping that concept.

Isn't it funny that gays get harder time from the general public and governments than bisexuals? And that irritates me to death.

Who cares? Who actually cares what sexually someone is? I mean, you're still the same person no matter who you fall in love with. It doesn't change the personality of the person or the way in which they should be treated in society. So, why the **** the discrimination? I know that a few religions, in some interpretations, 'forbid' it. And if someone wishes to still follow that religion they need to stick to it, but people should not make others out-casts, just because they don't believe what someone else believes...

Oh, sorry, I went on a bit of a rant then :/
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Steveau on January 01, 2008, 06:12:53 pm
Quote from: "Nancy Drew"
When the world started Men weren't supposed to be with Men, and Women weren't supposed to be with Women. God didn't make it that way.

according to that book the world is less than 10000 years old.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: tylor2000 on January 02, 2008, 01:33:30 pm
Yeah, I wouldn't go out of my way, but I have nothing against it.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on January 02, 2008, 04:45:02 pm
Quote from: "Steveau"
Quote from: "Nancy Drew"
When the world started Men weren't supposed to be with Men, and Women weren't supposed to be with Women. God didn't make it that way.

according to that book the world is less than 10000 years old.

It is, and science can prove that, if you want to know, I will tell you. But what I was going to say is...
Yes, God didn't make it that way, but he didn't mean for Adam and Eve to eat the only food he told them not to. So I think since it just went that way anyway, we should accept it, because clearly it is truly just natural, and it is completely ridiculous to shun anybody for being who they are.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: ManuelD on January 02, 2008, 06:50:12 pm
Quote from: "SAMMIE CARTER"
i voted yes. and this is probably the funniest thing i've ever read:

12 Reasons Homosexuals Shouldn't Marry

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can`t legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears` 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn`t changed at all; women are property, blacks can`t marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That`s why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That`s why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven`t adapted to things like cars or longer life spans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.


Haha, that's great, the best part of it is that it really shows how ridiculous all the arguments against gay marriage are.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on January 02, 2008, 09:50:25 pm
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"
Quote from: "Steveau"
Quote from: "Nancy Drew"
When the world started Men weren't supposed to be with Men, and Women weren't supposed to be with Women. God didn't make it that way.

according to that book the world is less than 10000 years old.

It is, and science can prove that, if you want to know, I will tell you. But what I was going to say is...
Yes, God didn't make it that way, but he didn't mean for Adam and Eve to eat the only food he told them not to. So I think since it just went that way anyway, we should accept it, because clearly it is truly just natural, and it is completely ridiculous to shun anybody for being who they are.


I'd really like to see your proof. Because I'm pretty sure you're wrong, no offense, I'm glad you're pro-gay. But come on.

Earth's Oldest Rock (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/01/010111073459.htm)
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on January 03, 2008, 07:29:33 pm
I am completely okay with everyone else believing what they believe, but just for examination I will explain something extremely simple that's all for the earth being younger than it is believed to be. It is so simple it hurts. XD
I'm completely fine with no one changing their minds.

It is quite known among some scientists that seas  and oceans recieve more salts than they can get rid of. (They get rid of water by evaporation, which leaves salt behind, since it cannot evaporate)
The level of salt that is in the seas and oceans now, compared to just assuming that they started with no salt at all, shows that slowly it gained more and more salt, and if the world was millions and billions of years old, the seas and oceans would be very, very salty, but they are not.

If you want to know where I got that, it's from a science textbook called Exploring Creation with Physical Science by Dr. Jay L. Wile.

Once again I will say I am NOT making anyone believe anything that they already believe, and I am not saying they are wrong. I am just proving with I believe personally.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Moogs21 on January 03, 2008, 10:18:46 pm
Wow, I've never heard of the argument. Not that it changes my mind, but you know, something new to think about. It's always good to know what the opposition is thinking.

Today, I was watching ABC news and there were talking about how schools handle creationism vs evolution. They were trying to ban creationism in schools (which I am personally for). What were you guys taught?

Hold on, I feel this should be a new poll.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on January 05, 2008, 09:08:19 am
I could possibly have a few different arguments, and they would be unique like that one.
I would never expect it to change anyone's mind (especially not that fast), but religion is not anything of a lighthearted game, and I want to stand up for what I believe in, being God.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on January 05, 2008, 11:39:53 am
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"
I could possibly have a few different arguments, and they would be unique like that one.
I would never expect it to change anyone's mind (especially not that fast), but religion is not anything of a lighthearted game, and I want to stand up for what I believe in, being God.


yea you're not taking anything into account with that salt argument. What about rainwater that adds to the ocean? Or organisms that use the salt to survive?  Show me a link to a scientific article and maybe I will give you some credit.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: heyheyitsaiste on January 05, 2008, 02:37:00 pm
Many people have difficulty leaving/changing their religions/beliefs because they don't want to admit/find out/whatever you want to call it that their parents lied to them. They're very hesitant and defensive with their religions.

And there's no real evidence for God and religion other than "The Bible" or some other religious books, but either way they're both written by man. God is as real as Santa and the Easter* Bunny.

but whatever floats your boat.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Manda on January 06, 2008, 01:44:11 am
No.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: MyMelody on January 06, 2008, 10:51:49 am
Of course I do.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on January 11, 2008, 01:42:03 pm
Quote from: "heyheyitsaiste"
Many people have difficulty leaving/changing their religions/beliefs because they don't want to admit/find out/whatever you want to call it that their parents lied to them. They're very hesitant and defensive with their religions.

And there's no real evidence for God and religion other than "The Bible" or some other religious books, but either way they're both written by man. God is as real as Santa and the Eastern Bunny.

but whatever floats your boat.

Umm... it's the easter bunny, and yes, Santa and the Easter Bunny do not exist, but God does, in my opinion, and if you don't want to believe that, I would be the most rude person in the world for MAKING you believe something you obviously don't. I am just throwing out some things that can be put into consideration, the same as all you evolutionists are. Being a creationist, yes I believe in God.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: heyheyitsaiste on January 11, 2008, 02:41:40 pm
haaha woopsies, I meant Easter my baddddddddd.

i wasn't trying to be rude, thats why i put "whatever floats your boat" at the end.

thanks.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on January 12, 2008, 02:43:16 am
Quote from: "heyheyitsaiste"
haaha woopsies, I meant Easter my baddddddddd.

i wasn't trying to be rude, thats why i put "whatever floats your boat" at the end.

thanks.


haha yea I noticed that and got a good laugh out of it
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on January 12, 2008, 10:11:54 am
Quote from: "me and my piano---tim"
Quote from: "heyheyitsaiste"
haaha woopsies, I meant Easter my baddddddddd.

i wasn't trying to be rude, thats why i put "whatever floats your boat" at the end.

thanks.


haha yea I noticed that and got a good laugh out of it

Me too, haha. By the way, I wasn't calling you rude, sorry if it came out like that. I was saying /I/ WOULD be rude if I even thought I could make you believe in something you don't or don't want to. But I don't ever think I can change anyones mind.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on January 13, 2008, 02:34:41 am
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"
Quote from: "me and my piano---tim"
Quote from: "heyheyitsaiste"
haaha woopsies, I meant Easter my baddddddddd.

i wasn't trying to be rude, thats why i put "whatever floats your boat" at the end.

thanks.


haha yea I noticed that and got a good laugh out of it

Me too, haha. By the way, I wasn't calling you rude, sorry if it came out like that. I was saying /I/ WOULD be rude if I even thought I could make you believe in something you don't or don't want to. But I don't ever think I can change anyones mind.


I don't think you're being rude... I'm pretty emotionally detached from this whole discussion to be honest.  But you shouldn't necessarily think you can't change anyone's mind... sometimes it's possible! and a good thing!
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Morgan on January 14, 2008, 02:09:13 pm
Quote from: "me and my piano---tim"
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"
Quote from: "me and my piano---tim"
Quote from: "heyheyitsaiste"
haaha woopsies, I meant Easter my baddddddddd.

i wasn't trying to be rude, thats why i put "whatever floats your boat" at the end.

thanks.


haha yea I noticed that and got a good laugh out of it

Me too, haha. By the way, I wasn't calling you rude, sorry if it came out like that. I was saying /I/ WOULD be rude if I even thought I could make you believe in something you don't or don't want to. But I don't ever think I can change anyones mind.


I don't think you're being rude... I'm pretty emotionally detached from this whole discussion to be honest.  But you shouldn't necessarily think you can't change anyone's mind... sometimes it's possible! and a good thing!

Well, I would definately like to thank you largely for being so nice about it. So, thank you!
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on January 14, 2008, 09:03:42 pm
Heh, no problem :)
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Ryou-Neko on February 27, 2008, 06:36:05 pm
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"

Well I don't mean to go all religion on you all, but the Bible says it doesn't allow that, but personally I want to follow what the Bible says, but I totally believe in equality, so I'm in a tough place about deciding for that.
I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.

It's just kind of tough for me.


First of all this subject is much too sensitive to be able to allow actual discussion, as opposed to blind ranting, on a message board. I am gay. I am also not religious, so I do not have those connotations. But I definitely can understand why this is a problem for you. But keep in mind, that even if the Bible does say something about homosexuality being wrong (which is debatable, certainly, but I won't go there), it doesn't say anything about discrimination. Hate the sin, not the sinner - am I correct?
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: SadAsBlue on February 27, 2008, 07:51:03 pm
Quote from: "Ryou-Neko"
Quote from: "DeeperThanSurface"

Well I don't mean to go all religion on you all, but the Bible says it doesn't allow that, but personally I want to follow what the Bible says, but I totally believe in equality, so I'm in a tough place about deciding for that.
I really have no idea why someone of a gender would be attracted to the same gender, if it's just that way when they were born, or if they were insecure or scared about something their gender had to go through with the opposite one, or even if something bad happened to them.

It's just kind of tough for me.


First of all this subject is much too sensitive to be able to allow actual discussion, as opposed to blind ranting, on a message board. I am gay. I am also not religious, so I do not have those connotations. But I definitely can understand why this is a problem for you. But keep in mind, that even if the Bible does say something about homosexuality being wrong (which is debatable, certainly, but I won't go there), it doesn't say anything about discrimination. Hate the sin, not the sinner - am I correct?


I am catholic, and this is how i see it, God made love for us to love each other. He didn't make hatred we, brought that upon ourselves. In my eyes love has no gender.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Ryou-Neko on February 28, 2008, 08:25:31 pm
Quote from: "SadAsBlue"
I am catholic, and this is how i see it, God made love for us to love each other. He didn't make hatred we, brought that upon ourselves. In my eyes love has no gender.


And you make me happy.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: wyatt_afterglow on February 29, 2008, 01:54:50 pm
aaaaaaaa i love you all :P
im gay and people look wierd ad me but its ok you get jused to it :O

and tanx people 4 achepting it youre all perfect :D
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: wyatt_afterglow on February 29, 2008, 02:00:17 pm
ok one question what i dont get first the book of god says
you need to achept every one no mather what

and than it says gay is wierd whats that 4 a book ?


its dumb i know some people belief in god
i achept that but read the book god im not belief in god but i have read the book
and some things in there are wierd and are like first i say this than that i dont get it why people dont see it

and i love it that people belief in god its ok i dont whant people to thingk i hate god i dont
but some things are just wrong

sorry 4 my bad english im dutch :(
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: zurielshimon on March 13, 2008, 04:05:42 am
I have to say this, and while I don't intend it to be expressly a defense of homosexuality, I do intend to clarify my belief and how it relates to the world around us.

Homosexuality is not an activity or lifestyle I choose to participate in because I personally find it distasteful.  I also find rare beef and Hondas to be distasteful, but I'm not about to condemn someone who eats it or drives one.

God did not intend for us to be homosexual, but I don't believe the penalty of hellfire hangs over those who are any more than anyone else.  While the Bible does point out homosexuality as detestable, it certainly doesn't put it on so high a level as incest, adultery, or bestiality.  But since people who have committed much greater sins have been fully forgiven and promised the Kingdom of Heaven, so too can be homosexuals.  Sure, God doesn't like what they're doing, but it shall be no harder for a homosexual to enter Heaven than a rich man.  Without the Lamb of God, the homosexual is in just as much, but no more, danger of hellfire as a thief.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on March 15, 2008, 03:22:16 pm
Quote from: "zurielshimon"


Homosexuality is not an activity or lifestyle I choose to participate in because I personally find it distasteful.  I also find rare beef and Hondas to be distasteful


That just deserved to be quoted.  :lol:
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: tylor2000 on March 16, 2008, 09:30:23 am
I like gay men and have had them as freinds partly because I know I can start a conversation with them about art, science, and culture without having to worry if they are going to need to establish or build up their masculine identity through whatever means.  Not that you can't do that with other people, but rather it is pretty much a given I can walk up to them and start talking.  With chicks there is always the mutual sexual tension, and with other straight guys you have to build up the male bonding stuff or whatnot.  It is not totally like that but pretty much.  I've learned to deal with the sexual tension on their end and know how to deal with it for the most part.

Any comments?
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: me and my piano---tim on March 17, 2008, 01:23:06 am
I usually don't bother with straight guys who have to affirm their masculinity. I don't need to affirm my  masculine identity, you can think what you want to think. I like straight men who can talk with me without worrying about seeming gay or less masculine.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Skye.bby on March 18, 2008, 07:21:04 am
Quote from: "wyatt_afterglow"
ok one question what i dont get first the book of god says
you need to achept every one no mather what

and than it says gay is wierd whats that 4 a book ?


its dumb i know some people belief in god
i achept that but read the book god im not belief in god but i have read the book
and some things in there are wierd and are like first i say this than that i dont get it why people dont see it

and i love it that people belief in god its ok i dont whant people to thingk i hate god i dont
but some things are just wrong

sorry 4 my bad english im dutch :(


I know bby that confuses me a lot. When i asked my Sunday School teacher she said that when God says to love one another he means as siblings. I dont see anything wrong with gay people obviously since we're friends. But ya thats the explanation :)
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: NESSAussie on March 22, 2008, 06:44:42 am
'Donw Under', where there is such an even ratio of the sexes, rights that
allow same-sex relationships to co-exist, mean more opportunity for the
balance of that demograghpic trying to find a patrner among the 'straight'

Peace

Aaron
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Felo on May 01, 2008, 06:28:20 pm
I don't support "Gay Rights," I don't think there should be such thing. By that, I'm not saying I hate homosexuality, what I do hate is that society still separates people just for what they like, how they look, or how they feel.

To me, saying "I'm/you're/he's/she's gay" is labeling people, and not giving them credit for anything else they have to offer, like being gay is everything they are.

Is it really necessary to create laws for every cultural group? What kind of society are we? Limitating ourselves to say You're gay, black, white, asian, hispanic, punk, goth, hippie, among other things. WE'RE ONLY HUMAN. PERIOD. DEAL WITH IT.

There should be a certain amount of respect between everyone. Hating on someone just because they like something different than what you like is simply a demonstration of insecurity and most of all, ignorance.

So... do I support gay rights? Nope.
Do I support human rights and believe in equality? Absolutely.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Ryou-Neko on May 01, 2008, 07:17:25 pm
Quote from: "Felo"
I don't support "Gay Rights," I don't think there should be such thing. By that, I'm not saying I hate homosexuality, what I do hate is that society still separates people just for what they like, how they look, or how they feel.

To me, saying "I'm/you're/he's/she's gay" is labeling people, and not giving them credit for anything else they have to offer, like being gay is everything they are.

Is it really necessary to create laws for every cultural group? What kind of society are we? Limitating ourselves to say You're gay, black, white, asian, hispanic, punk, goth, hippie, among other things. WE'RE ONLY HUMAN. PERIOD. DEAL WITH IT.

There should be a certain amount of respect between everyone. Hating on someone just because they like something different than what you like is simply a demonstration of insecurity and most of all, ignorance.

So... do I support gay rights? Nope.
Do I support human rights and believe in equality? Absolutely.


You have an absolutely wonderful and thoughtful point. Very inspiring to see that there are people left in this world who think in that way.
Title: I support Gay rights. Do you?
Post by: Manny on May 25, 2008, 09:30:09 am
Quote from: Ryou-Neko
Quote from: "Felo"
I don't support "Gay Rights," I don't think there should be such thing. By that, I'm not saying I hate homosexuality, what I do hate is that society still separates people just for what they like, how they look, or how they feel.

To me, saying "I'm/you're/he's/she's gay" is labeling people, and not giving them credit for anything else they have to offer, like being gay is everything they are.

Is it really necessary to create laws for every cultural group? What kind of society are we? Limitating ourselves to say You're gay, black, white, asian, hispanic, punk, goth, hippie, among other things. WE'RE ONLY HUMAN. PERIOD. DEAL WITH IT.

There should be a certain amount of respect between everyone. Hating on someone just because they like something different than what you like is simply a demonstration of insecurity and most of all, ignorance.

So... do I support gay rights? Nope.
Do I support human rights and believe in equality? Absolutely.


bravo!