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Other Topics => Polls => Topic started by: Manda on January 08, 2008, 08:31:21 pm
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Hillary Clinton all the way for me.
I'm really happy that she won New Hampshire tonight.
Don't really care for any of the Republicans, but feel free to start another thread for any one of them.
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...Where's Obama?
I like Clinton for the healthcare stuff, but I for some reason really like Obama. I need to focus in on why I like him before I vote for him. I'm reading his second book at the moment too, so that's interesting.
But anyway, I'm still thinking of voting republican for this election, even though I'm a dem. I'm from Illinois, and I'd be surprised if Obama didn't take it (never know though), but anyway I think it may be more important to vote for a good republican. In my opinion, Clinton and Obama are both good, but I'm worried which way the republican party will swing.
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I switched the names (Bill Richardson/Barack Obama) and I made a mistake, and overlooked that I put Richardson twice.
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HILLARY!
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well I am not of voting age. But if I were to be able to vote, I would vote for Hillary.
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stoppp stopp making me pick!
honestly I can't pick.
I like Hillary
I like Barack
that is all. lol
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stoppp stopp making me pick!
honestly I can't pick.
I like Hillary
I like Barack
that is all. lol
ditto haha. i was all set on voting for Hillary, but now i'm leaning towards Obama for some reason. i can't pick ahh crap. at least Californians still have a month or so to decide lol. i gotta do some more research.
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Obama for me all the way!!! ;D I actually brought my rents to a rally in my school (Concord high school in NH) and holy shiat, there were like tons of people in line but, i managed to sneak in with my rents and we heard him talk and we were just blown away. well... but he didn't win this one... there'll be others! :D
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Obama, but it's a little early to say for sure.
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Hillary because I think Obama is going into it with the naive premise that changes can be made easily
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Hillary because I think Obama is going into it with the naive premise that changes can be made easily
It's a message, not a platform...I am pretty sure he doesn't think anything is going to be done easily.
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Oh, such a topic.
I, personally, want a REAL liberal in office. Hence, if I were delusional, I would vote for Gravel. But he will not win either way.
The only possibility now is Hillz and Obama.
I will have to go with Clinton. My reasons are as follows:
1) Obama's health care plan is the same as Bush's. Hillary's is much more comprehensive, and provides health care for the entirety of our country.
2) Hillary talks about issues in her speeches. Obama talks about his mother, and how it was growing up. It's sad that everyone jumps on the Obama bandwagon when the only time he's ever said anything of substance is when prompted in the debates.
3) Hillary DOES have more experience. NOW. To pre-counter the "sittingbehindbillclintonisn'texperience" argument - either way, she's been a Senator for longer. And if I sat and watched someone work on Photoshop for eight years, I have a slight feeling that I would become proficient much faster than someone who has had no experience whatsoever.
4) Hillary is better with foreign relations. The large majority of world-leading countries have had females in high positions of power; Benazir Bhutto, Queen Elizabeth, the President of Ireland, the Prime Ministers of New Zealand, Finland, Mozambique - all are women. America, sadly, is one of the few remaining countries that is so sexist as to not have a woman in the utmost position of authority. We have already conquered racism, for the most part, yet sexism is still rampant. Let's work on that now.
As far as I am concerned, though, Gravel or Kucinich should have won. It's the media's fault that they had no representation. Whatever; it's too late now.
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1) Obama's health care plan is the same as Bush's. Hillary's is much more comprehensive, and provides health care for the entirety of our country.
Not so much.
2) Hillary talks about issues in her speeches. Obama talks about his mother, and how it was growing up. It's sad that everyone jumps on the Obama bandwagon when the only time he's ever said anything of substance is when prompted in the debates.
Actually, Hillary talks about her mom and how her mom was born before women were allowed to vote. Speeches are meant to inspire. He has added more about the issues after being criticized.
3) Hillary DOES have more experience. NOW. To pre-counter the "sittingbehindbillclintonisn'texperience" argument - either way, she's been a Senator for longer. And if I sat and watched someone work on Photoshop for eight years, I have a slight feeling that I would become proficient much faster than someone who has had no experience whatsoever.
This is Hillary's third campaign for herself. Barack has more legislative experience, including being a state senator. It's not like he doesn't have any experience at all, so the photoshop comment makes no sense for the argument at hand.
4) ...We have already conquered racism, for the most part, yet sexism is still rampant.
You're joking, right?
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I'm not of voting age, but if i could i would vote for Hillary Clinton.
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1) Obama's health care plan is the same as Bush's. Hillary's is much more comprehensive, and provides health care for the entirety of our country.
Not so much.
care to expand?
4) ...We have already conquered racism, for the most part, yet sexism is still rampant.
we haven't conquered racism.
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oh and I liked Kucinich a lot, too.
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I don't really have a lot of time...but you can read these, if you'd like.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2007/initiatives/healthcare.html
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My Spanish teacher lectured us for like 15 minutes about how pissed off that she was when she went on Obama's website and read the pages and how he didnt state what he stood for...shes a psyco bitch to put it nicely.
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My Spanish teacher lectured us for like 15 minutes about how pissed off that she was when she went on Obama's website and read the pages and how he didnt state what he stood for...shes a psyco bitch to put it nicely.
What exactly does she want?
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IDK...i dont care, shes really crazy and freaks out on like the littlest things.
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There were several key statements in that you all seem to have missed. It would be VERY irresponsible for someone to say that racism is more prevalent in our country than sexism is.
And health care -
Both Obama and Bush's websites say they want to make health care "affordable". This has clearly not worked with Bush's campaign.
Speeches are meant to inspire. He has added more about the issues after being criticized.
Oh, yes, they are. They are if the person giving the speech is supposed to inspire. I have a slight feeling that "inspiring" the country to fix their problems won't do it alone.
This is Hillary's third campaign for herself. Barack has more legislative experience, including being a state senator. It's not like he doesn't have any experience at all, so the photoshop comment makes no sense for the argument at hand.
Again, this comment is concerning Bill Clinton's presidency and her role as the First Lady.
And to reiterate - Obama and Hillary are essentially the same. They have verrrrrrrrry few differences in their issues, and those differences are very slight when they are found. I don't really care which is nominated. Honestly, the democratic party needs to stop being ridiculous and unite, instead of splitting themselves down the middle over two very, very similar candidates.
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Oh, yes, they are. They are if the person giving the speech is supposed to inspire. I have a slight feeling that "inspiring" the country to fix their problems won't do it alone.
And to reiterate - Obama and Hillary are essentially the same. They have verrrrrrrrry few differences in their issues, and those differences are very slight when they are found. I don't really care which is nominated. Honestly, the democratic party needs to stop being ridiculous and unite, instead of splitting themselves down the middle over two very, very similar candidates.
def. agreed.
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A speech, at a rally, is mainly for supporters already. A lot of supporters can look up the information on their own, and probably already have if they're in the audience (especially at this point).
Obama isn't just speech, he has actually done a lot of work, including encouraging transparency in the government, lobbying and ethics reform, and worked to expand* Nunn-Lugar. He worked as a community organizer in the Southside of Chicago before going to law school. He was the first Black president of the Harvard Law Review. He has also taught Con Law...
Apparently, Hillary didn't get much out of being First Lady, seeing how piss-poor her campaign has been.
Furthermore, sexism and racism are two huge problems, but, I would argue, one is not more prevalent.
*Changed from "expanded" to "expand."
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Obama isn't just speech, he has actually done a lot of work, including encouraging transparency in the government, lobbying and ethics reform, and worked to expanded Nunn-Lugar. He worked as a community organizer in the Southside of Chicago before going to law school. He was the first Black president of the Harvard Law Review. He has also taught Con Law...
Clinton has as well. She was a lawyer, and was listed as one of America's
most influential lawyers by National Law Journal for three years; she was the chair of the Children's Defense Fund; she provided legal advice for abused children at Yale-New Haven Hospital; she chaired the Arkansas Education Standards Committee; she founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families; she introduced Arkansas Home Instruction for Preschool Youth; she initiated and guided the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997. Both of them have done astounding things - this has been established. The real issue should be uniting the democratic party so that a republican is not elected.
And still, I do not think that either sexism or racism are enormous problems today. Yes, still problems. But enormous ones? No.
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We're going on, we're going strong, and we're going all the way.
This nation is coming back, and so is this campaign.
The speed and energy with which we take advantage of our regained momentum is up to you. Thank you for being there for me. I promise in the White House, I will be there for you every day.
Sincerely,
Hillary Rodham Clinton
-The e-mail I received this morning. I was so grateful and happy last night that she stopped Barack Obama's momentum, taking Rhode Island first, then Ohio, and to finish the night...Texas! Hallelujah!
She definitely has bragging rights with the states she's won, and I hate how the Obama campaign is trying to push her out of the race, she's in it all the way and he should definitely get used to it. I have faith in Hillary, all the way.
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Winning a state, to be quite honest, doesn't mean much. Just a way for Clinton to say "Whoo! I won Texas!" even though the vote was pretty much 50/50 (exactly 50/50 in one county... did anyone else see that?). Obama still has a higher delegate count.
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Winning a state, to be quite honest, doesn't mean much. Just a way for Clinton to say "Whoo! I won Texas!" even though the vote was pretty much 50/50 (exactly 50/50 in one county... did anyone else see that?). Obama still has a higher delegate count.
Thank you.
And she technically hasn't officially won Texas.
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i think people jumped on the obama bandwagon and that annoys me.
i'm glad hillary won texas and ohio.
she looked happy, it was cute.
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Winning a state, to be quite honest, doesn't mean much. Just a way for Clinton to say "Whoo! I won Texas!" even though the vote was pretty much 50/50 (exactly 50/50 in one county... did anyone else see that?). Obama still has a higher delegate count.
Thank you.
And she technically hasn't officially won Texas.
She won the 2/3 Primary Delegates, while Obama took the other 1/3 for the Caucuses. Its official, she DID win Texas and so did Obama.
She is still trailing in delegates but she will do well in Pennsylvania, where the Obama team has said that they will probably lose there but will pick up wins in Wyoming and Mississipi, I'm hoping Hillary will win one of those too. This isn't over, not even close. Obama is sweating bullets right now because she's right behind him. Everyone said she couldn't win, that she was going to lose, this and that. She's won all the big states, and she's a fighter and will continue on.
I also hate how people are jumping on the "Obama Momentum" bandwagon. He's full of talk, someone I know made a good point that his speeches are a lot like Adolf Hitlers speeches. I definitely believe it.
Hillary is my girl!
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I, as I'm sure many of you are, am excited to see how this all pans out. Rarely is an election this close so late in the primaries. I'd be fine with either one of them, although I'm leaning towards Obama because I think he has a greater chance of winning the general election. I have nothing against Clinton, I just think she's less electable.
Who knows. This thing is intense.
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She is still trailing in delegates but she will do well in Pennsylvania, where the Obama team has said that they will probably lose there but will pick up wins in Wyoming and Mississipi, I'm hoping Hillary will win one of those too. This isn't over, not even close. Obama is sweating bullets right now because she's right behind him. Everyone said she couldn't win, that she was going to lose, this and that. She's won all the big states, and she's a fighter and will continue on.
Obama wasn't expected to win in Ohio nor in Texas. He was behind in Texas by almost 20 points in early January, but he only lost in the Texas "primary" by 4 percentage points.
In Ohio in late January, Obama was down 23 points, and he lost by (only, even if it's a painful only) 10 points.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/polls/pdfs/ivrpolls-texas-primary-polls-january10-2008.pdf
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/polls/pdfs/columbus-pos-dispatch-january23to31-2008-ohio-polls.pdf
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
Obama is FAR from sweating any bullets. He basically maintained his lead, she only gained 4 delegates Tuesday. She knew she would do all right in those states, that's why the Clintons said they'd quit if they lost them. I am not sure who said she couldn't win Ohio?
I also hate how people are jumping on the "Obama Momentum" bandwagon. He's full of talk, someone I know made a good point that his speeches are a lot like Adolf Hitlers speeches. I definitely believe it.
And that's a little strong. You might want to do some research on Hitler before believing anything. He was incredibly pissed Germany lost WWI, Germany's economy was horrendous (as a result of losing WWI), and he had a strong hatred for the Jews. That situation created an atmosphere of absolute hate on his part, and it allowed him to gain many followers. Was he a great speaker? Yes. Should he be compared to Obama? No.
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Obama is FAR from sweating any bullets. He basically maintained his lead, she only gained 4 delegates Tuesday. She knew she would do all right in those states, that's why the Clintons said they'd quit if they lost them. I am not sure who said she couldn't win Ohio?
Hillary Clinton said she would go on regardless if she lost Ohio or Texas. It was close the whole time. After her texas sized town hall the next morning she was up 3% over Obama, and took most of the undecided voters. He was campaigning very hard in both states, if he knew he would lose, why were they both matching ads? Putting so much money into both states? He wanted to win, he was hoping to top the delegate lead. Its just as close as ever. (Every site has a different delegate count)
And, His speeches can be compared to Obama's. :wink:
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Obama is FAR from sweating any bullets. He basically maintained his lead, she only gained 4 delegates Tuesday. She knew she would do all right in those states, that's why the Clintons said they'd quit if they lost them. I am not sure who said she couldn't win Ohio?
Hillary Clinton said she would go on regardless if she lost Ohio or Texas. It was close the whole time. After her texas sized town hall the next morning she was up 3% over Obama, and took most of the undecided voters. He was campaigning very hard in both states, if he knew he would lose, why were they both matching ads? Putting so much money into both states? He wanted to win, he was hoping to top the delegate lead. Its just as close as ever. (Every site has a different delegate count)
And, His speeches can be compared to Obama's. :wink:
Of course he WANTED to win, but it's not a shock that he didn't. He's running against someone who has more name recognition than he does. She was supposed to be the candidate, until he came along. This is a race, he is clearly going to campaign hard. Some sections he cannot win, and he knows that--it's politics. And he narrowed the margin of victory, which is a HUGE feat considering the polls. I realize she said she wasn't going to quit...but if she had lost all four states, it would have been harder to make her argument to stay in the race.
Moreover, of course Hitler's speeches CAN be compared to Obama's...but they SHOULD not be.
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Agreed. :) I'm still rooting for Hillary!
If it comes down to Obama and McCain (I really hope not), I'm voting for McCain. Anyway, can't wait to see what happens next.
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Luckily, your state will more than likely go blue, whether you vote McCain or not.
And mine will probably go red...yay.
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hahaha...I am so ready for Laura Bush to run in 2012.