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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: nutnlp on November 21, 2008, 04:37:28 pm
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This is rediculous..why care more than the artist or her team? It's been a fucking year since shes chimed in....and the porn over on her 'official' boards was a huge slap in the face......I can't believe her management doesn't watch out for stuff on the internet. It totally makes Vanessa and her maganement/label look like shit. There are underaged members, they shouldn't see that on a Vanessa Carlton site.
Pathedic.
She has lost her way..and I cannot support that anymore......
There are sooo many indie artists who constantly work hard at what they do, and are constantly on the road, and still find the time to update fans, and make sure the sites are not getting spamed....sad. I tried to hang out, but it's gone wayyyy too far...I can't believe there are people who will bite their tongue......nahhhh.
I'm done.
im not gonna fix my typos, its not worth it
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This is rediculous..why care more than the artist or her team? It's been a fucking year since shes chimed in....and the porn over on her 'official' boards was a huge slap in the face......I can't believe her management doesn't watch out for stuff on the internet. It totally makes Vanessa and her maganement/label look like shit. There are underaged members, they shouldn't see that on a Vanessa Carlton site.
Pathedic.
She has lost her way..and I cannot support that anymore......
There are sooo many indie artists who constantly work hard at what they do, and are constantly on the road, and still find the time to update fans, and make sure the sites are not getting spamed....sad. I tried to hang out, but it's gone wayyyy too far...I can't believe there are people who will bite their tongue......nahhhh.
I'm done.
im not gonna fix my typos, its not worth it
This makes me want to cry. :cry:
And porn? I dont use those boards but realy?! Well I will always love her music . I just wish that she cared more but thats always been vanessa, so ive learned to except it. During long waiting periods I venture into other music for awhile, then when some new stuff comes out or I feel like it, I listen to Vanessa again, then the music seems a bit less tired out, though I will love her music forever. :(
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I missed porn? DAMN IT! I need to pay more attention. :lol:
... no, seriously. You care about an artist because you like their music or believe in their message, not because you think one day they will be insanely famous. At least that's how I roll.
There are tons of awesome artists out there who will never sell 10 thousand CD's let alone a million. Who knows, maybe this is how V wants it, to do her music her way, and if it sells it sells and if it doesn't, it doesn't.
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I don't care if she sells a million albums, but obiously she doesn't either..she doesn't even cater to the people who actually bought it. But I won't continue to support someone who can give two shits about me.
bla bla bla all this about 'the written note' well if that theory of hers was true, there would be an address that fans could write letters....I fear she made enough money with ATM and ever sense had no reason to cater to the fans. It's a little rediculous and I'm tired of biting my tongue and ignoring it.......and I know for a fact tons of people feel the same way..just scared to admit it.
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... no, seriously. You care about an artist because you like their music or believe in their message, not because you think one day they will be insanely famous. At least that's how I roll.
word.
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... no, seriously. You care about an artist because you like their music or believe in their message, not because you think one day they will be insanely famous. At least that's how I roll.
word.
My thoughts exactly.
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... no, seriously. You care about an artist because you like their music or believe in their message, not because you think one day they will be insanely famous. At least that's how I roll.
word.
My thoughts exactly.
moi aussi =]
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there is no denying that she makes wonderful music, but like what has been said before, and little fan appreciation wouldn't hurt. i know for all you nessaholics who have been here for 6+ years, you have seen vanessa at her best, when she genuinely seemed to appreciate her fans. But for me, I really haven't seen that,so it's quite discouraging.
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i've seen v do a pretty good job with her fans, which is why i'm extremely disappointed that she's no longer making an effort. i don't care if she's famous or not but i think nut is right, if we're going to give two shits about her music she should give two shits about us. otherwise she'd be nowhere near as financially set as she is, no one would know her name (or care).
or at least come around and be like okay i'm done. because what has she done! no communication! barely a tour to support her album! now absolutely nothing. not a peep. she could have died. who knows. but it is getting pretty fuckin lame being a vanessa carlton fan.
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It's quite disappointing, I agree, but I don't think Im really ready to give up, yet. I mean, it's kind of lame, but we don't really know what's going on with her, right? No one here knows her personally.. (well, Im not sure about that one...?). It's just difficult to give up because on one hand, nutnlp is right, she hardly went on tour and she doesn't check in with her fans too often... but I don't know if I could ever just disown her. I've loved her music for so long, and it's helped me so much. Though, it's also true that she would be nowhere without fans like us!
I wish there was something we could actually do..
WOW, really? Porn on her website? That's a burn. Guess their mods have to be more thorough..
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WOW, really? Porn on her website? That's a burn. Guess their mods have to be more thorough..
what mods? :|
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Truth be told, I can see both sides of this argument.
I think a lot of us have moved on to other artists and bigger and better things musically in the past few years, but have stayed around to lend support when we can and to maintain the friendships and comradery built in V's prime. Realistically to me, it is what it is. I have made peace with whatever happens from here on out.
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Yeah, but it's cool when you aren't ignored completely. I can see many of her 'crazy' fans becoming that way because they believe in someone who just more or less ignores them. That totally sucks.
I like her music but not sure I think she is all that cool of a person.
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WOW, really? Porn on her website? That's a burn. Guess their mods have to be more thorough..
what mods? :|
Are there not any? I don't know, I don't really go on that site.
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You all have some good points. I don't mean to repeat but don't give up. I know that V appreciates her fans. She's just not real good at keeping in touch. Maybe she's super busy on projects, maybe she not doing anything but relaxing and drawing inspiration. Yes, it would be nice to hear a little hi, maybe even a blog about her experience in the Artic. I'm not going to give up on her just because she doesn't stay in touch. Don't you have friends who don't keep in touch or even family members? We all get busy.
Like someone said before, Nh.com is about having a place where we can keep in touch, talk about what's going on, new artists we've found etc. We're going on 7 years here people. Vanessa knows we're here for her when she's ready.
Re: the porn, not a big surprise without any active mods there. Kinda why Nh.com was launched.
Vanessa is still my #1 and will always be my #1. I have other artists to follow while she's not on tour and that's just fine with my bank account.
When that record comes out you know she will give us a shout out.
She's always said she's about the music not the fame.
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You all have some good points. I don't mean to repeat but don't give up. I know that V appreciates her fans. She's just not real good at keeping in touch. Maybe she's super busy on projects, maybe she not doing anything but relaxing and drawing inspiration. Yes, it would be nice to hear a little hi, maybe even a blog about her experience in the Artic. I'm not going to give up on her just because she doesn't stay in touch. Don't you have friends who don't keep in touch or even family members? We all get busy.
Like someone said before, Nh.com is about having a place where we can keep in touch, talk about what's going on, new artists we've found etc. We're going on 7 years here people. Vanessa knows we're here for her when she's ready.
Re: the porn, not a big surprise without any active mods there. Kinda why Nh.com was launched.
Vanessa is still my #1 and will always be my #1. I have other artists to follow while she's not on tour and that's just fine with my bank account.
When that record comes out you know she will give us a shout out.
She's always said she's about the music not the fame.
:] pretty much my thoughts exactly. not to say anyone's point is invalid, but i think we've had enough defeatist threads...
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I'll admit I was angry and really saddened by the fact that she never popped by to say hello or one of her funny blogs/posts. Her show in Chicago really hurt me because she just wasn't herself and I thought about putting her on the back burner and moving on to other artists but I can't. I love her SO much, her music changed my life, her personality after shows was so genuine and whenever I need a pick me up moment I think of her laugh and that warm smile she gives. I can't put her aside, she probably hasn't put us aside and maybe she is busy or just relaxing and writing new material. At least she's out there living, breathing, and I'm sure of it-writing. Schuyler Fisk is phenomenal but she just doesn't reach the level that Vanessa has in my life. Every artist is different, and she tops them all for me, always. It feels good to let that out. Hopefully she'll peek in and say hello soon enough, until then I hope she's smiling and taking good care of herself.
Loved your post Let, you are wise and insightful. ;)
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Let made a very good point. The only thing I have to comment about, though, is that "being about the music, not about the fame" doesn't mean you are about the music, not about your fans. How would she pay for all her beautiful clothes and lofts and pianos if it weren't for us? And trips to the Arctic and Egypt?
Not wanting to be in the spotlight all the time and not dropping by now and then to say, "hi guys, thanks for hanging around even though I don't tour and make shitty management choices" are two totally different things.
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Let made a very good point. The only thing I have to comment about, though, is that "being about the music, not about the fame" doesn't mean you are about the music, not about your fans. How would she pay for all her beautiful clothes and lofts and pianos if it weren't for us? And trips to the Arctic and Egypt?
Not wanting to be in the spotlight all the time and not dropping by now and then to say, "hi guys, thanks for hanging around even though I don't tour and make shitty management choices" are two totally different things.
That's what I've been thinking.
My overall opinion on this subject: It does bug me a little that she doesn't keep in touch with her fans, but not enough for me to stop loving her music. amberbeads makes a good point though...plus it really takes just a couple minutes to post a quick update. Why doesn't she, I wonder?
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I'm not giving up on her music career, no way. I love it too much...but I just HAD to say something...the porn on the main boards, the year since the last update, just feeling ignored was getting too me...Yes, it doesn't say anywhere that she MUST update fans, or do this or do anything at all....but it would be nice, and I think keeping fans feeling posative about the artist that they put so much into, simply because they believe in there craft and vision. I don't care if shes famous, or making chart topping records, I could have said that since day one....She used to post little notes way more often than she does now, even when we knew for a fact that she was a lot more busier on the road and what not. Yes yes yes, I do not know what shes up too now....but thats because we do not get informed. I will never give up on the music aspect of her career, but I'm not going to defend her anymore when it comes to this type of topic...it got old, fast. I just feel that as an artist you really have to cater to your key fanbase, and I don't see that. I really only felt like she updated us right before the record came up, which in a way was saying "Please buy my record", which yes, makes sense....but felt forced.
Thanks for not yelling at me, and disowning me from here. It's just something I wanted to get off my chest. But in no way am I giving up on the music side of things.
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if i get to meet her after her show in london, i'm going to tell her to get her ass online and give us an update.
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or you could just say 'i wouldn't even know this show was going on if it wasn't for the nessaholics'
that sums it up pretty well. ;)
although events where the artists only play one or two songs, generally are not annouced......she hasn't played in london sometime, so you'd think it would be officially annouced...for those fans. :)
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when is she playing in london? i can finally get to see her!!!
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see this thread milla:
http://forum.nessaholics.com/viewtopic.php?t=12232
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woohoo!!! thanks nutnlp :D
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Maybe someone scared her...you know, like getting plastic surgery to look exactly like her or something like that. We don't really know.
Maybe the reasons are in the last album....
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All I can say about this is, everyone makes a good point but, I hope something good comes out of this loooooonnnnnnnnnggggggg quite period.... :?
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I'm as disappointed as most here. I don't feel as connected as I used to. V abandoned the "personal" aspect that she used to have back during the first album, when she would let us know about a movie she saw or songs she was working on in the studio. It made her seem more like a regular person and less like your average narcissist pop princess.
I'm trying to put myself in her place. Up and coming next big thing, platinum album, then work on next album, A&M tries to micro-manage, VC stays true to herself but makes enemies bigtime, A&M spitefully buries the album.
Just *that* had to be devastating.
Then, the whole Irv/Inc. thing and another let down...I think that she just feels she has little face to show, like she's embarrassed about it all. Sure, we all feel let down, but I do hope that VC says something soon, that we 'Holics are not reduced to another small-print shout out on the back of a CD cover. Hey, Nessa, you really like us? Take 30 seconds and type us out something.....we'd love to hear from you, even if it's just to say HI!
Really, though, I'm here for the duration. If and when VC comes around again, I'm in. If not, that's OK too. I'm sure she could score films or TV shows without breaking a sweat, but I'm sure she still has some killer songs to write and I hope she keeps on going.
Dan/NS
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I'm on my way to NYC right now and will be staying near V's neighborhood.
It would be nice to bump into her and be like "what's up with you?!! We haven't seen you around for a while girl!"
Seriously, I really do miss her... :(
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ok my friend and I have this theory about Vanessa.
We looked at the pattern of all of her release dates for her albumss which are as followed:
Be Not Nobody April 2002 (Spring Time)
Harmonium November 2004 (Autumn)
Heroes and Thieves October 2007 (Autumn)
Now judging by this, we came up with a projected release date for new material. We think that she'll either do A)
A Summer album because she hasn't released anything in the summer but singles or B) She'll release something in the winter of next year.
Let's hope that something starts to bubble up with the new year on the horizon.
V we all love and miss you!! Please come out of the hole your in now!
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i'll never give up on her... the music means too much to me. she's changed my life. i miss her a lot though. and i'll be honest... the thought of no more music from her, terrifies me. i hope that she won't give up, even if she's playing tiny clubs for the rest of her life. i do wish she would write us a message though. :(
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I sure as hell will never stop loving Vanessa. She is the reason why I get thorough my difficult days. I get very busy with a lot of stuff and very very depressed. But I always know her music is always there. Her music has done so much for me and Like some members have said she will be my #1. I have other people I love and care for their music [Nine Inch Nails, Fiona Apple and Bjork] but Vanessa def. tops all of them and their music. Her music def. has a say in what I have done in my life and how it has turned out. Patience is a virtue kids! I am sure we will hear something sooner or later.
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it's gonna be over a year since she left a message 8O
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Well I don't really care if she does not leave a message or not. Just as long as I know she is alright. I will wait and see when she decides what she wants to do. Its just a waiting game. Until than I have 3 CD's and tons of live/b-sides/unreleased worth of songs to listen to, pass the time.
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i think vanessa is an artist like Kate Bush. they are both very individualistic and put the music first, but they both also tend to shy away from the public. Kate is now a legend, and vanessa would do better on an indie label, but that's just because of the times. it's the kind of people they are. very much into their personal lives, and emerge to make new music, but then disappear again. it's mysterious, i feel. it doesn't mean that either artist appreciates their audience less... again, it's just the kind of people they are, i believe. i don't know though. i've been with vanessa since the beginning, although i tend to not post on the boards i follow it daily, so even though i'm new to posting i'm not new to nessalicdom. maybe, also, i'm just used to kate and seeing aspects of her displayed in this situation i apply it to v. just my impression.
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i agree and can relate to most of what you said above....on an indie label you have to work 50 times as hard as you would when on a major.
i think that speaks for itself. ;)
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i think vanessa is an artist like Kate Bush. they are both very individualistic and put the music first, but they both also tend to shy away from the public. Kate is now a legend, and vanessa would do better on an indie label, but that's just because of the times. it's the kind of people they are. very much into their personal lives, and emerge to make new music, but then disappear again. it's mysterious, i feel. it doesn't mean that either artist appreciates their audience less... again, it's just the kind of people they are, i believe. i don't know though. i've been with vanessa since the beginning, although i tend to not post on the boards i follow it daily, so even though i'm new to posting i'm not new to nessalicdom. maybe, also, i'm just used to kate and seeing aspects of her displayed in this situation i apply it to v. just my impression.
Kate Bush. I think I am too young to know who she is, I am not denying that she was good though. I will have a listen.
So I just listened to her.... Really? are you kidding? different taste, is she joking?
Pandora keeps offering Enya when I click on Kate Bush... Enya is INSANE
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kate bush is amazing!
"this woman's work" = <3
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This is rediculous..why care more than the artist or her team? It's been a fucking year since shes chimed in....and the porn over on her 'official' boards was a huge slap in the face......I can't believe her management doesn't watch out for stuff on the internet. It totally makes Vanessa and her maganement/label look like shit. There are underaged members, they shouldn't see that on a Vanessa Carlton site.
Pathedic.
She has lost her way..and I cannot support that anymore......
There are sooo many indie artists who constantly work hard at what they do, and are constantly on the road, and still find the time to update fans, and make sure the sites are not getting spamed....sad. I tried to hang out, but it's gone wayyyy too far...I can't believe there are people who will bite their tongue......nahhhh.
I'm done.
im not gonna fix my typos, its not worth it
finally.
i've been waiting for this moment.
at last I'm not alone anymore.
Im with you, nutnlp
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If Vanessa didnt care about her fans she wouldnt have kept that shark in her kitchen, and wouldnt even have bothered with another record label, would she? If she didnt CARE about people hearing her music why would she have even signed with the inc.? She hopefully has something coming whether its scoreing a film, stationary, or another alblum. I dont think that becuase she doest post bullitens on myspace means shes given up.
True it would only take about 30 seconds but we all know that vanessa is stuck in the old days (what is she 27? She didnt even live in them... but still.) . Most of us are used to that. Its only been a year since the last alblum. But yes a little update might be nice (a personal one too, like one actually from HER).
So in my twisted head im fighting both sides. But ill always love all the music we have from Vanessa so far.
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If Vanessa didnt care about her fans she wouldnt have kept that shark in her kitchen,
errr, wasnt this like 3 years ago? And from what she said during that show, I got a feeling that she kept it because it was interesting and weird for her, not because "I care about my fans so I kept it"
wouldnt even have bothered with another record label, would she? If she didnt CARE about people hearing her music why would she have even signed with the inc.?
she still updated her fans up to that point.
then, ALL OF A SUDDEN, she disappeared. After the release of her album and up to this point is the period that exasperates me
and I don't think anyone has mentioned VC giving up.
people (whom I used to promoted VC to so much that now remember her) sometimes ask me what happened to my one and only one fav. singer on earth.
I really don't know where to begin.
I don't even know
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and btw, the official board is pathetic.
her website is pathetic.
The fans there who still worship and praise her like a Goddess every-single-day and in every-single-thread are pathetic
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and btw, the official board is pathetic.
her website is pathetic.
The fans there who still worship and praise her like a Goddess every-single-day and in every-single-thread are pathetic
that's a little harsh.
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The fans there who still worship and praise her like a Goddess every-single-day and in every-single-thread are pathetic
Thanks for a very useful and informative post.
Loving someone's work (in V's case, her music) is different than worshiping, just fyi.
But if you feel you don't belong here, please don't come anymore and don't disrespect the ones who still believe in V.
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i think vanessa is an artist like Kate Bush. they are both very individualistic and put the music first, but they both also tend to shy away from the public. Kate is now a legend, and vanessa would do better on an indie label, but that's just because of the times. it's the kind of people they are. very much into their personal lives, and emerge to make new music, but then disappear again. it's mysterious, i feel. it doesn't mean that either artist appreciates their audience less... again, it's just the kind of people they are, i believe. i don't know though. i've been with vanessa since the beginning, although i tend to not post on the boards i follow it daily, so even though i'm new to posting i'm not new to nessalicdom. maybe, also, i'm just used to kate and seeing aspects of her displayed in this situation i apply it to v. just my impression.
Kate Bush. I think I am too young to know who she is, I am not denying that she was good though. I will have a listen.
So I just listened to her.... Really? are you kidding? different taste, is she joking?
Pandora keeps offering Enya when I click on Kate Bush... Enya is INSANE
blueditty made a valid point, and did not say that their music is similar. Anyway, I suppose you could even say that some of it is- piano + unusual female vocals + a sometimes melancholy or dark twist
I also think Kate bush is amazing!
Kate seemingly went into hibernation for years between albums, and then only came into the public eye again when it was necessary to sell the music. She is a very private person.
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^ she is.
she only did like two interviews when she released 'aerial' then went away again.
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and then only came into the public eye again when it was necessary to sell the music.
"decided to score some more cash from the people she obviously doesn't give two shits about."
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and then only came into the public eye again when it was necessary to sell the music.
"decided to score some more cash from the people she obviously doesn't give two shits about."
lol. For real!
Not to mention, she'd probably sell MORE music if she did act like she cared. For instance, I think one of the reasons Taylor Swift is so big right now is because she blogs and makes fun videos for her fans. She lets them into her life. She really appreciates her fans and it shows. It's a give and take.
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and then only came into the public eye again when it was necessary to sell the music.
"decided to score some more cash from the people she obviously doesn't give two shits about."
I can understand why you think that, but I don't agree. Of course I do not know her, but my perception is that she makes music for the love of music, rather than to make money. She had the overwhelming fame from a young age- so now she wants a regular, anonymous life with her partner and child. I think she deserves that, and her fans are used to the way she works now.
It is harder to know what is going on with Vanessa as we are without the benefit of hindsight and we are used to her "letting us in".
Continuing on with Shannon's point, I think that approach is perhaps the most successful for an artist in this "communication age". Long ago though, before the internet etc. part of the artist's appeal was their distance. They were larger than life- like a fantasy.
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Just curious, does someone(a fan) on these boards actually pay yearly for this site to keep afloat still?
It's much appreciated especially since theres no up-to-date official source we can turn to.
ill always be a fan of the music, but not of the ego.
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and then only came into the public eye again when it was necessary to sell the music.
"decided to score some more cash from the people she obviously doesn't give two shits about."
I can understand why you think that, but I don't agree. Of course I do not know her, but my perception is that she makes music for the love of music, rather than to make money. She had the overwhelming fame from a young age- so now she wants a regular, anonymous life with her partner and child. I think she deserves that, and her fans are used to the way she works now.
Then, in my opinion, she should choose a profession that doesn't come with those kind of attachments. I feel that if you are a musical artist, you are obligated to engage your fans. Does she make music cause she likes to and then doesn't care whether or not it sells? I doubt it. I bet she likes her house and clothes and her bills being paid.
I couldn't get used to that kind of attitude, as a fan. I don't respect artists who don't express their gratitude for their fans. That's why, if Vanessa continues down this road, I'm going to end up not caring about her, either. I love her music, but if she doesn't care that I pay for it then I'm not going to... Sad to say about one of my once favorite artists.
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If I don't like an artist's personality, it's almost impossible for me to enjoy their music. At this point I'm pretty sure I'll continue to be a Vanessa fan. Her disappearance doesn't bother me too much. She'd have to really change - as a person or an artist - for me to stop liking her.
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The fans there who still worship and praise her like a Goddess every-single-day and in every-single-thread are pathetic
Thanks for a very useful and informative post.
Loving someone's work (in V's case, her music) is different than worshiping, just fyi.
But if you feel you don't belong here, please don't come anymore and don't disrespect the ones who still believe in V.
and fyi, I am totally capable of differentiating worshiping and loving. I love Vanessa Carlton's music and Vanessa. But not the "love" to the degree of blindness of some nessaholics.
and to point it out for you, I was criticizing the official board, not here. and the last time I checked the official board was 2 weeks ago.
so yes, for now, I don't feel like I belong there
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If I don't like an artist's personality, it's almost impossible for me to enjoy their music. At this point I'm pretty sure I'll continue to be a Vanessa fan. Her disappearance doesn't bother me too much. She'd have to really change - as a person or an artist - for me to stop liking her.
Change how?
Don't give a shit about her fans is not enough?
(I was going to say "moaning M-A-K-E L-O-V-E to me")
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and then only came into the public eye again when it was necessary to sell the music.
"decided to score some more cash from the people she obviously doesn't give two shits about."
I can understand why you think that, but I don't agree. Of course I do not know her, but my perception is that she makes music for the love of music, rather than to make money. She had the overwhelming fame from a young age- so now she wants a regular, anonymous life with her partner and child. I think she deserves that, and her fans are used to the way she works now.
Then, in my opinion, she should choose a profession that doesn't come with those kind of attachments. I feel that if you are a musical artist, you are obligated to engage your fans. Does she make music cause she likes to and then doesn't care whether or not it sells? I doubt it. I bet she likes her house and clothes and her bills being paid.
I couldn't get used to that kind of attitude, as a fan. I don't respect artists who don't express their gratitude for their fans. That's why, if Vanessa continues down this road, I'm going to end up not caring about her, either. I love her music, but if she doesn't care that I pay for it then I'm not going to... Sad to say about one of my once favorite artists.
I certainly agree that if you want to be a musical artist, then you are "obligated to engage your fans". I was only disagreeing with you about Kate Bush- but I can definitely see why you would perceive her in that way- wasn't meaning to argue or anything. I can also (sadly) agree with you about Vanessa.
A looong time ago I read that George Michael wanted to keep recording music (I don't listen to his music so I don't know if this is happening) but give it away as free downloads to his fans rather than sell CD's. He said loves making music but felt he had already made enough money off the fans.
Now there's a grateful artist. I think that's really cool.
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i noticed a while ago that Vanessa isn't the same person when it comes to her fans as she used to be. & becoming a fan of other artists who care about their fans like mad, was part of the reason i drifted from being a huge Vanessa fan. it's been almost 3 months since i've posted here (longest time away from this place ha) so i think i've officially stopped caring. there was always a little part of me that cared, hoping she'd make a comeback (even tho i said i wasn't a fan at all anymore), but now i officially give up. it's not that hard to say a quick "hello", so obviously she just doesn't give a crap about us anymore.
i know how busy life can get (trust me), but she should have 2 minutes to spare, letting us know she's still alive & well.
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i don't believe it's because she's busy, when she was a hit and everyone was loving her, she had times to post her stuffs.. now she's not working, not touring, not recording (I believe) so she has time to post but she doesn't want to do it because as you guys are giving up, she gave up a little while ago!
Bye Vanessa, was very nice to meet your music.. ://///
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Well I def. do see a decline on this online community. Which is sad. I don't post as much myself. But I have just been so busy with Work and School and Finals coming up. So I don't post as much. But I will def. always post on this board. I don't care if Vanessa does not release anymore music because I have 3 great cd's full of the best music ever. If she does, than even better. But I will never give up. A few days ago during Chem class these two kids asked who sang ATM, they thought it was Michelle Branch. I of course spoke up and spazed on how its Vanessa. They were like "what you like her?!?!" so I stuck up and said yes I love Vanessa's music. I don't care what people think of it because I will never give up on her. This has turned into a long cheesy post. So to sum up I will always care for Vanessa's music! I have put so much thought and have so many memories because of her music and I am not going to give it all up in a split decision!
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i think i've loved the fans more then i ever loved vanessa lol i met some cool crazy people here. there was some fun.
i never really cared about vanessa posting. doesnt bother me.
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Plus guys, you never know if she comes to the site or stuff. If she were to come what would she see? A big thread titled I Give Up! If I were an artist and saw that from fans, I would not want to post anything. People have already made up their minds, why bother swaying them?
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I'm sure she'll update us....... when theres something to buy or she releases a viryl single on itunes to make a quick buck......;)
and most likely she would post to the myspace "blog" before posting here, besides these are just transfered over from anything official anyway...
But I do and am getting warmed up to her idea of living in a different century and not embracing technology...but the truth is...without technology vanessas career wouldn't be where it is today......
just a thought ;)
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im not gonna fix my typos, its not worth it
Can I? Just kidding! :)
By the way... how is she ever going to succeed if we give up on her? I'm sure you have valid points. However, its all about the tunes! Do you dig 'em? If so, support when you can. I plan on it.
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agree with Nicole!
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succeed?
are you kidding? shes a successful artist. i wouldn't say that she isn't successful. shes achieved a lot in 6-7 years...
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I just think she is a great artist. I connected with her music almost instantly.
Maybe I knew VC in a past life or something. ;) :lol:
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sure she has not done Britney spears/Madonna amount of success in 6-7 years but she does not want that kind of fame. I look up to her for that reason.
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its now been a year exactly. miss you v...even though i posted this thread i was voicing something inside that needed out...i just hope that she knows that she will always have a net here @ the nessaholics. xx
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I can't believe we haven't heard from her....even rotating the myspace songs(even though her whole catalog is on there) would be a step up from the flow of things right now.....too bad she doesn't have a fanmail address since she would rahter write hand written letters. :roll:
does someone pay for this site to stay up? cuz if money was coming out of my pockets i would more and more be getting less thrilled about it.
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yeah good question I have not really seen much of the original people and stuff that started this site. Where is everyone?!?!?!
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It's pointless to get mad...she's doing whatever she wants to do. It's not about us, it's really about her. If she made that much money from ATM, it wasn't because of us, it was because it became a huge hit and other people bought it--and then companies and movies use it all the time.
Hell, if I was her, I'd probably just live my life too. She's still really awesome to her fans, even if you don't think she shows it publicly. Life's too short, let her live. If she releases something else and you like it, be happy and enjoy the music.
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I agree. It ultimately does just come down to the music...thats why I'm even here to begin with...but it would be nice to know if new music is being made or even on her radar at all....instead of a blog post 2 weeks before somethings released asking us to buy it.....;) just my opinion..but your right...I've changed my look on this.
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well i thought she was supposed to be writing stuff on her cape farewell trip? well according to the article that was posted a while back she did write stuff, and who knows maybe that ditty she played on the access hollywood is something new that she may premiere after the new year. who knows.
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It's pointless to get mad...she's doing whatever she wants to do. It's not about us, it's really about her. If she made that much money from ATM, it wasn't because of us, it was because it became a huge hit and other people bought it--and then companies and movies use it all the time.
Hell, if I was her, I'd probably just live my life too. She's still really awesome to her fans, even if you don't think she shows it publicly. Life's too short, let her live. If she releases something else and you like it, be happy and enjoy the music.
Thats true but her life is music, if your lucky enough to have that career, doing what you love... Whats the harm in posting a small message saying "whats up sorry i havent posted in awhile, but im working on new music... so stick around!" something like that... No I dont want her to post 5 blogs a week. Just one every once-in-awhile. No, im not saying she should cater to her fans or anything all im saying is if you think about it, its a bit ridicoules (I cant spell). But im here for the music as i assume 99% of us are, and I understand she is a person like any other but she still has an amazing career going for her and this is just stupid.
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I agree... the least she could do is post little messages once in awhile so we know she still cares. But at this point, she owes us at least a page in updates!
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maybe she hates the internet. but i agree, we should have an update. it's the new year!
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She says she's from another century. Maybe she just doesn't use the modern technologies :lol:
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She's got a new boyfriend...apparently its been off and on for a while and they want to keep it as private as possible, he's kind of pissy about the whole thing.
His name is Andre Berto.
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She's got a new boyfriend...apparently its been off and on for a while and they want to keep it as private as possible, he's kind of pissy about the whole thing.
His name is Andre Berto.
where did this come from??
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The official boards.
There's quite a few threads about it.
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Go Nessa! What a cougar! He's only 24 LOL .
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he's sexy! i can't see her dating a boxer, though.
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he's sexy! i can't see her dating a boxer, though.
not the boxing Andre, her Andre is a pilot.
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oohhhhh okay. well there you go.
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The official boards.
There's quite a few threads about it.
Theres no official word though. I would def. not disagree with it. She is very quite about stuff like this.
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on a different note...
i just watched an interview she did with kiwibox.com and i dunno if anybody on here has watched it but she did talk about new things she's doing which is making her own style of stationary because we are losing iq points from texting and email haha and she briefly talked about art or something that she had to keep quite so just thought i'd update everyone on it if you didn't already know.
Peace
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Oh and just a PS to all who have messaged v's boyfriend. I sent him a message just to say hi and sorry to be a pest but he replied back and said thanks for your kind words and he just wants left alone because he said that we are all scaring him. so i think we should just leave them alone and be calm about this because he cares about her and he said that she had a good relationship with her fans so lets all do them the favor and not bother them through myspace. in time she will update us.
peace
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Well if she has a new boyfriend that would explain her vanishing from planet Earth. :)
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no like seriously you guys he told me that she is going through some issues right now and to keep her in our prayers. i hope everything is ok with v! pray for her you guys!
peace
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Who is her boyfriend?
And she's probably depressed again.
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I could tell she was going through something............she's seemed so sad and lifeless during the past year or so. :( I will definitely keep her in my prayers.
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i wouldn't take anything anyone tells you seriously unless you hear it from an official source first.......it's crazy that whoever your 'talking' too on myspace would even make a comment like that on vanessas behalf.
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i wouldn't take anything anyone tells you seriously unless you hear it from an official source first.......it's crazy that whoever your 'talking' too on myspace would even make a comment like that on vanessas behalf.
I agree.
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Christ, this is how rumours start on the internet. I can't believe people believe things from a randomer on teh internet! No pictures of them, no mention in the press or from V, just some idiot on the official boards and another idiot on MySpace.
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no like seriously you guys he told me that she is going through some issues right now and to keep her in our prayers. i hope everything is ok with v! pray for her you guys!
peace
Aw. She's definitely in my prayers. I know what it's like to go through bad times, and I hope she finds the support she needs.
Was she actually depressed at one time?
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I think it's kind of dumb and childish to talk about her depression. Everyone goes through depression....being depressed is apart of daily life...you just gotta deal with it...eventually it will all get better....Vanessa being depressed is no different than anyone on these message boards being depressed...or going thru a state of depression, it happens to everyone.
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It is a part of life, however some people are more severe than others. Maybe she is going through something you have no idea about. You don't just get over depression, or else you aren't depressed. You are just sad. Most people who are depressed usually do not even know. Some people choose to go on medication, while others try and overcome it on their own. I would estimate millions of people overcome depression, and there are some people sadly who cannot and choose to leave their life behind. If she is/was (didn't read the entire thread, sorry) depressed I hope she keeps fighting and is able to get the best help possible. "I'll keep my fingers crossed always for you."
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Dude, it's not like we know one way or the other. There's not any point in speculating - it just is what it is. And if she doesn't record another album for five years, then she doesn't record an album for another five years. But it's seriously creepy when fans think they can just decide for themselves that "oh, her last album came out a year ago and there hasn't been much press on it, so she must be terribly depressed." What the hell. How would you know, again?
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IMO she should be happy she made it as far as she did, not everyone can stay on top. I don't really think she'd even care THAT much unless she'd just be upset she's not making enough to keep making records? But she could go totally indie and probably do fine.
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and how do you know what goes on in people lives lol
hun you should get your butt off the internet and start doing something more productive in your life instead of worrying about someone who dont even know you exist.
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I'm pretty sure it's "pathetic."
Stop bashing on my girl, now. I don't wanna have to get buck wild on someone's ass.
That's to the poster of this thread.
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grammar aside please forgive my post.....ive posted a few times in this thread as a vent..but you can't really blame me for posting it..i feel like tons of board members felt the same way if not close too it...i don't want to bash vanessa but come on...that was a long silent pause...;) im glad shes given us that small update..hey, it's something.
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grammar aside please forgive my post.....ive posted a few times in this thread as a vent..but you can't really blame me for posting it..i feel like tons of board members felt the same way if not close too it...i don't want to bash vanessa but come on...that was a long silent pause...;) im glad shes given us that small update..hey, it's something.
I can't blame you?
Wow, in fact, I can. See:
I blame you. =] Get over it, love. And have a great day, ya hear?
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grammar aside please forgive my post.....ive posted a few times in this thread as a vent..but you can't really blame me for posting it..i feel like tons of board members felt the same way if not close too it...i don't want to bash vanessa but come on...that was a long silent pause...;) im glad shes given us that small update..hey, it's something.
I can't blame you?
Wow, in fact, I can. See:
I blame you. =] Get over it, love. And have a great day, ya hear?
wow. charmedguy18 how have you been?!?!?!
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grammar aside please forgive my post.....ive posted a few times in this thread as a vent..but you can't really blame me for posting it..i feel like tons of board members felt the same way if not close too it...i don't want to bash vanessa but come on...that was a long silent pause...;) im glad shes given us that small update..hey, it's something.
I can't blame you?
Wow, in fact, I can. See:
I blame you. =] Get over it, love. And have a great day, ya hear?
wow. charmedguy18 how have you been?!?!?!
eh, it goes.
I suppose.
Haha. I rhyme.
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It is a part of life, however some people are more severe than others. Maybe she is going through something you have no idea about. You don't just get over depression, or else you aren't depressed. You are just sad. Most people who are depressed usually do not even know. Some people choose to go on medication, while others try and overcome it on their own. I would estimate millions of people overcome depression, and there are some people sadly who cannot and choose to leave their life behind. If she is/was (didn't read the entire thread, sorry) depressed I hope she keeps fighting and is able to get the best help possible. "I'll keep my fingers crossed always for you."
God, don't I know.
I have depression so bad that I am in constant physical pain. Or at least, I was. Not anymore after Remeron 45mg and Effexor 150mg.
And I'm still not happy.
But the Effexor still hasn't had time to take effect.
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depression is just something you have to deal with on your own, nothing, i mean nothing is going to really help it, ive been to counseling, psych wards and even on medication , from time to time i still feel the same thing. but i have a great family and an amaziing boyfriend now ive been with for almost 3 years, he has helped me truly because he loves me and looks out for me. thats the best thing that has helped me overcome it all. i never been happier. i think it also depends on who you surround yourself with, being around other people with the same problems can make things worst. medications too, i mean they totally ruin my sex drive and if i missed one dose, i would feel like shit..lol
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depression is just something you have to deal with on your own, nothing, i mean nothing is going to really help it, ive been to counseling, psych wards and even on medication , from time to time i still feel the same thing. but i have a great family and an amaziing boyfriend now ive been with for almost 3 years, he has helped me truly because he loves me and looks out for me. thats the best thing that has helped me overcome it all. i never been happier. i think it also depends on who you surround yourself with, being around other people with the same problems can make things worst. medications too, i mean they totally ruin my sex drive and if i missed one dose, i would feel like shit..lol
Well. I think maybe we're two different people.
Life, to me, is bland. And joyless. It's always been that way, but has only gotten progressively worse. I hardly even enjoy music anymore. Which is ridiculous since music is the love of my life. I will agree with you on the sex drive thing, I don't know if I have an additional problem with that or something but I just don't have any... I won't go into gory detail, but it sucks.
Too many psychiatrists have taken one look at me, saying my face looks "hollow," and then after interviewing, saying I'm the most depressed person they've ever met for me to really believe that medications aren't necessary.
Ten years ago, I would have been indefinitely locked in a mental institution, so I'm pretty sure I'm not just doing it myself. Not saying that I won't be able to feel better with the same amount of meds I'm currently on later, because I have Borderline Personality Disorder and PTSD so I have some behavioral and thought patterns that are self-destructive and self-defeating that only make things worse. But I am currently doing the best I can in handling that. Which is an assumption I must follow based on my DBT, which I've only read about and haven't even started yet.
But yeah. I don't really know how we got to this but I'll stop lol.