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Title: London
Post by: cassiemoy on March 07, 2009, 01:16:33 pm
as in the new song, premiered at the ramapo college 3/6/09. any attempts at lyrics, anyone?
Title: London
Post by: charmedguy18 on March 07, 2009, 01:42:36 pm
I'm trying to convince my mom to take me to Wilmington, NC in April for the concert. I'll try to bring something to record with me that will record in good quality so we can get the lyrics and a better version.

God, this is great news!
Title: London
Post by: cassiemoy on March 07, 2009, 01:45:18 pm
Quote from: "charmedguy18"
I'm trying to convince my mom to take me to Wilmington, NC in April for the concert. I'll try to bring something to record with me that will record in good quality so we can get the lyrics and a better version.

God, this is great news!


oh pleeeeease do!

it's amazing news. i'm about to rip the mp3 anyway so i/others can start trying to transcribe.

and the lyrics, which are at least 1/2 of my vc experiences, always - well, i can only figure out a little bit of the beginning:

"waste away the days
waiting on [???]
it's time to try [???]
but i get older with morning"

something like that. i think the chorus begins with "i've never been so sure" and ends with "never gone". ... as clear as the piano is, the lyrics are really hard to hear.
Title: London
Post by: shinesobright07 on March 07, 2009, 02:40:54 pm
Quote from: "fish_for__stars"
Quote from: "charmedguy18"
I'm trying to convince my mom to take me to Wilmington, NC in April for the concert. I'll try to bring something to record with me that will record in good quality so we can get the lyrics and a better version.

God, this is great news!


oh pleeeeease do!

it's amazing news. i'm about to rip the mp3 anyway so i/others can start trying to transcribe.

and the lyrics, which are at least 1/2 of my vc experiences, always - well, i can only figure out a little bit of the beginning:

"waste away the days
waiting on [???]
it's time to try [???]
but i get older with morning"

something like that. i think the chorus begins with "i've never been so sure" and ends with "never gone". ... as clear as the piano is, the lyrics are really hard to hear.



I thought I heard her say 'Im waiting on a new age' at the very end.
Title: London
Post by: IfICouldFall on March 07, 2009, 04:14:19 pm
the intro notes are B B A G# B E B E E F# D# C#! Key of E. main chords so far are E and C#m.
Title: London
Post by: _all_is_well_ on March 07, 2009, 07:18:13 pm
Quote from: "shinesobright07"
Quote from: "fish_for__stars"
Quote from: "charmedguy18"
I'm trying to convince my mom to take me to Wilmington, NC in April for the concert. I'll try to bring something to record with me that will record in good quality so we can get the lyrics and a better version.

God, this is great news!


oh pleeeeease do!

it's amazing news. i'm about to rip the mp3 anyway so i/others can start trying to transcribe.

and the lyrics, which are at least 1/2 of my vc experiences, always - well, i can only figure out a little bit of the beginning:




"waste away the days
waiting on [???]
it's time to try [???]
but i get older with morning"

something like that. i think the chorus begins with "i've never been so sure" and ends with "never gone". ... as clear as the piano is, the lyrics are really hard to hear.



I thought I heard her say 'Im waiting on a new age' at the very end.


Yes I hear: Waste the days away
waiting on a new age
Its time to try (new things?)
but I get older one more year
(an unwinding dream?) OR (a london winding dream?) Or (a london minded dream?)
Title: London
Post by: KULPDOGG on March 07, 2009, 10:51:11 pm
this took a very long time  8O
but...

this is going to fail so hard and be funny later, but sure, i'll try it.
I think I've got at least some of it right, while I know some of it is probably wrong.


-----------------------------------------


Wait the days away
Waiting on a new rage
With time to try it
But I get older without you

But London's pleasant dream
A moment I'm getting old
But the word's all secret
They're only hollow bones now
Only hollow bones now

And I've never been so sure
That I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never gone, never gone

God I still aim for this high life
But I started, burned the feeling
And I know that they will never stay the same
If we can only burn the light
Wish we could never fight

And I've never been so sure
But I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never gone, never gone
Let go, oh

You're the first one loved
Wrap around your feelings
But I won't ever feel you

And she never even tried
No, she never even tried

And I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never let go
But I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never gone, no

Wait away the days
Waiting on a new rage


-----------------------------------------



comments, suggestions, theories, PLEASE





See my post below for lyrics
Title: London
Post by: cassiemoy on March 07, 2009, 11:26:09 pm
Quote from: "KULPDOGG"
this took a very long time  8O
but...

this is going to fail so hard and be funny later, but sure, i'll try it.
I think I've got at least some of it right, while I know some of it is probably wrong.


-----------------------------------------


Wait the days away
Waiting on a new rage
With time to try it
But I get older without you

But London's pleasant dream
A moment I'm getting old
But the word's all secret
They're only hallow bones now
Only hallow bones now

And I've never been so sure
That I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never gone, never gone

God I still aim for this high life
But I started, burned the feeling
And I know that they will never stay the same
If we can only burn the light
Wish we could never fight

And I've never been so sure
But I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never gone, never gone
Let go, oh

You're the first one loved
Wrap around your feelings
But I won't ever feel you

And she never even tried
No, she never even tried

And I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never let go
But I can only hear the last burn
And I know that we've returned
Never gone, no

Wait away the days
Waiting on a new rage


-----------------------------------------



comments, suggestions, theories, PLEASE


wow. what incredible effort, i must applaud. i think i still subscribe  to it being "waste the days away/waiting on a new age" however. as for other comments, i must first pull the song out and hear it against your version of the lyrics. :]
Title: London
Post by: Arwen on March 08, 2009, 12:40:14 am
Wow, Kulp, you are always really good at this. Good job! I think I agree with the peeps who said its "waiting on a new age"
Title: London
Post by: _all_is_well_ on March 08, 2009, 11:37:23 am
Quote from: "Ms.Arwen"
Wow, Kulp, you are always really good at this. Good job! I think I agree with the peeps who said its "waiting on a new age"

Yes and

and after "Its time to try it" i hear
"but I get older one more year"
Title: Re: London
Post by: KULPDOGG on March 18, 2009, 09:01:27 am
taking this from my post in the other thread:

 I'm feeling good about this! London lyrics!
-----------------------------------



I waste away the days
Waiting on a new age
But time betrays me
And I get older one more year

Walk London's windy streets
He waits for me at home
But I wonder the secrets
That only cobble stones hold
Only the cobble stones know

And I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
They never come

Got a knife-throwing kind of love
But your silence cuts the deepest
And I know I've made a mess of things
And I'm sorry for all that
Wish we could get the time back

'Cause I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
Wait for it
Wait for it

Earth will turn when we're gone
So we pray that Heaven waits on us
But the wolves howl to the Moon
And she never answers back
No, she never answers back

But after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never -- never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come, oh

I waste the days away
Waiting on a new age


-------------------------------
 
Title: Re: London
Post by: Cyril on March 19, 2009, 01:36:08 am
Thank you a lot for the lyrics !! I really appreciate them. To me that song really is an "Afterglow" 2, very different don't get me wrong but I feel the same thing listening to it, it's just a song I could be playing and singing all day. Vanessa is a genius.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Arwen on March 19, 2009, 02:48:49 pm
What do you guys think she means by "Heavenly creatures never come"?
Title: Re: London
Post by: KULPDOGG on March 19, 2009, 02:54:55 pm
What do you guys think she means by "Heavenly creatures never come"?

angels... God..
or perhaps it's just the idea of "someone who is perfect" or 'right' or 'does no wrong'
Title: Re: London
Post by: amberbeads on March 20, 2009, 06:59:08 am
i think it is the latter, kulp
Title: Re: London
Post by: NolitaFairytale on March 20, 2009, 08:18:05 am
i think it is the latter, kulp

yeah so do i
Title: Re: London
Post by: milla on March 20, 2009, 02:09:04 pm
there is a much better quality vid now, from the same show she played 'fairweather friends'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXCUHrzXx7Q

you can hear the lyrics pretty clearly :D
Title: Re: London
Post by: saphire on March 21, 2009, 07:04:54 am
i've been to london last week and this song was circling through my head all the time. I just love it!!!
Title: Re: London
Post by: NoelleNC on March 21, 2009, 11:46:38 am
I like everything but the 'heavenly creatures' part. Something about it doesn't sound right to me. I think it's the 'creatures' part. You don't normally think of a person as a creature (which I'm thinking she is metaphorically relating them to). To me creature sounds better to describe something odd or mysterious.
Title: Re: London
Post by: charmedguy18 on March 21, 2009, 06:30:22 pm
I just fainted.
No, that's a lie. But the new version makes this song... even better!!!!!!! OMG
J'adore la musique de Vanessa!
Title: Re: London
Post by: _all_is_well_ on March 22, 2009, 01:34:33 pm
Typless...  :D
Title: Re: London
Post by: Cyril on March 23, 2009, 03:50:20 am
I just fainted.
No, that's a lie. But the new version makes this song... even better!!!!!!! OMG
J'adore la musique de Vanessa!

What "new" version are you talking about ??

Tu parles français ?  :)
Title: Re: London
Post by: migmitch on March 23, 2009, 09:06:20 am
I like everything but the 'heavenly creatures' part. Something about it doesn't sound right to me. I think it's the 'creatures' part. You don't normally think of a person as a creature (which I'm thinking she is metaphorically relating them to). To me creature sounds better to describe something odd or mysterious.

Aren't they creatures though? I mean, they definitely aren't human... if they even exist.

Just saying....
Title: Re: London
Post by: charmedguy18 on March 24, 2009, 04:55:36 pm
I just fainted.
No, that's a lie. But the new version makes this song... even better!!!!!!! OMG
J'adore la musique de Vanessa!

What "new" version are you talking about ??

Tu parles français ?  :)
Oui. Un peu. Je parlais plus bien apres... Mais, mainetent.. Pas plus... =[

The newer video someone above put up.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Martin. on March 25, 2009, 02:45:12 am
Got a knife throwing kind of love
But your silence cuts the deepest

^ Love that line!
Title: Re: London
Post by: joey on March 25, 2009, 04:17:18 am
Soemhow I imagine her talking of Gargoyles when she speaks of "Heavenly Creatures"...
Title: Re: London
Post by: Nessaholic4Ever on March 25, 2009, 08:36:43 pm
OH. MY. GOD. I am almost IN TEARS right now. This song just rips and tears at my heart; it's like Vanessa is in my head when she writes, especially this.

I...I...I'm just at a loss over this song. It's PERFECT. Lyrics, music, everything.

And her VOICE. My god, it just keeps getting better and better and better...
Title: Re: London
Post by: Cyril on March 26, 2009, 12:35:56 am
OH. MY. GOD. I am almost IN TEARS right now. This song just rips and tears at my heart; it's like Vanessa is in my head when she writes, especially this.

I...I...I'm just at a loss over this song. It's PERFECT. Lyrics, music, everything.

And her VOICE. My god, it just keeps getting better and better and better...

 :) Exactly what I thought when I first listened to that song.
Title: Re: London
Post by: milla on March 26, 2009, 03:54:57 am
OH. MY. GOD. I am almost IN TEARS right now. This song just rips and tears at my heart; it's like Vanessa is in my head when she writes, especially this.

I...I...I'm just at a loss over this song. It's PERFECT. Lyrics, music, everything.

And her VOICE. My god, it just keeps getting better and better and better...


hehe, this sums up our nessa love! her songs make me go crazy with joy as well :D
Title: Re: London
Post by: charmedguy18 on March 26, 2009, 07:50:08 am
OH. MY. GOD. I am almost IN TEARS right now. This song just rips and tears at my heart; it's like Vanessa is in my head when she writes, especially this.

I...I...I'm just at a loss over this song. It's PERFECT. Lyrics, music, everything.

And her VOICE. My god, it just keeps getting better and better and better...
Title: Re: London
Post by: clamicas on March 28, 2009, 07:58:16 pm
taking this from my post in the other thread:

 I'm feeling good about this! London lyrics!
-----------------------------------


.....

Walk London's windy streets
He waits for me at home
But I wonder the secrets
That only cobble stones hold
Only the cobble stones know
...
 


Isn't it WINDING streets? and I hear WANNA KNOW the secrets instead of wonder
Title: Re: London
Post by: Martin. on April 01, 2009, 12:34:29 pm
Yeah, it's "wanna know" (obviously) and "winding streets".
Title: Re: London
Post by: charmedguy18 on April 01, 2009, 06:35:43 pm
This song... I listen to it every day and cry a bit.
God, I'm such a gay sometimes. Lol
Oh, well...
Title: Re: London
Post by: Martin. on April 08, 2009, 09:59:28 am
So I figures out the intro and verses!!!

Just gotta get the chorus and bridge.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Giuliana on April 08, 2009, 06:15:26 pm
This is such a beautiful song. I listened to it a couple of time and I think is sth like this:

Verse 1
I waste away the days
Waiting on a new age
But time betrays
And I get older one more year

Verse 2
Walk london windy streets
He waits for me at home
But wonder the secrets
That only cobble stones hold
Only the cobble stones, no

Chorus
And Ive never been sure
That after all these years
All that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures
Never came
Never came
Never came

Verse 3
Got a knife-throwing kind of love
But your silence cuts the deepest
And I know I've made a mess of things
And I'm sorry for all that
Wish we could go the time back

Chorus
Cause Ive never been so sure
That after all these years
All that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures
Never came

Wait for
Wait for

Bridge
Earth will turn when we're gone
So we pray that Heaven waits on us
But the wolves howl to the Moon
And she never answers back
No she never answers back

Chorus
But after all these years
All that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never
Never been so sure
That after all these years
All that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures
Never come

Ah, ah

I waste away the days
Waiting on a new age.



What do you think she is talking about? Personally I think is kinda of a break up because of the:  "heavenly creatures never come back" and especially "Verse 3: Wish we could go the time back". I don't know, she also plays a lot with things related to time like: "Waiting on a new age" or "But time betrays and I get older one more year"... So, what do you think, guys? I hope she puts this song on her new CD...
xoxo

Chuls
Title: Re: London
Post by: cyanyde on April 09, 2009, 04:06:45 am
Intro for the right hand is..

B G# E B F# C#  B G# E F# C# E B G# F# B E  B A G# B E B E E F# C#

I only got the first four keys of the left hand which is.. E G# C# F then some chord I can't transcribe. XD
Title: Re: London
Post by: Martin. on April 09, 2009, 11:07:59 am
The chords for the left hand are E, C#m and A.

I'm gonna try and write the sheet music for it at the weekend, unless someone manages to get there before I do.
Title: Re: London
Post by: cassiemoy on April 09, 2009, 06:40:34 pm
best of luck, sheet music makers!
Title: Re: London
Post by: cyanyde on April 09, 2009, 06:49:15 pm
The quality of the London songs are a bit dull. I can't transcribe the pattern of the keys when she starts singing. Anyone know? :D

Edit: My left hand transcription is wrong. It's B E C# F# and Chord E C#m A[thanks Martin.!]
Title: Re: London
Post by: cyanyde on April 10, 2009, 01:59:39 am
Sorry for the double post but I was able to transcribe the chorus! XD

RightHand: B B A G# B C# E G#

Left Hand: B E G# E  C# E G# E A E E A E E A E

You can clearly hear how it's played in 2:20-2:31 of video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429_oAzMClM)
Title: Re: London
Post by: pswik91 on May 25, 2009, 01:51:58 pm
is someone working on the sheets for london?  it seems like the ball has stopped rolling on making sheets  :-\
Title: Re: London
Post by: Dianthus on May 30, 2009, 11:15:34 pm
is someone working on the sheets for london?  it seems like the ball has stopped rolling on making sheets  :-\

yes! I am dying for london and will be eternally grateful for whoever transcribes this :D
Title: Re: London
Post by: StalkerChic on May 31, 2009, 01:56:44 pm
Hello all.
I'm sort of a neophyte at transcribing sheet music, so this is probably as far as I'll get with this. The intro was kinda iffy since she's played it slightly differently in the two videos I had to compare. But I have here the intro and the verse, and a bit of the vocals. For funsies. I dunno, maybe this will get someone out there motivated to finish it?


edit:
Did I say I wouldn't figure it out? I meant give me a minute. There might be some mistakes, but I'm pretty sure this is right.
Also, thanks to the people who figured out the notes. I always suck at that.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/08vpp3 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/08vpp3)
Title: Re: London
Post by: NESSAussie on June 04, 2009, 08:23:28 am
taking this from my post in the other thread:

...But I wonder the secrets
That only cobble stones hold

That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come...

Nice work Andrew, but I get "But I wonder what secrets" & "Is that all heavenly creatures never come"

The transcription certainly pairs up with the other version so accurate sheet music must be close by 8)


Peace

Aaron
Title: Re: London
Post by: StalkerChic on June 04, 2009, 01:55:48 pm
I already posted sheet music in my last post in case anyone wants it.
Title: Re: London
Post by: cassiemoy on June 16, 2009, 06:37:46 am
london lyrics as per the milford performance:

http://sites.google.com/site/nessaholicproject/lyrics/miscellaneous-unreleased/london
Title: Re: London
Post by: thenextvanessa on June 28, 2009, 04:48:35 pm
god, i'm in love with this song.  it's been said, but yeah, i totally see the "afterglow" comparison.  it feels like one of those introspective, long-walk-home-alone kind of monologues.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Dianthus on August 07, 2009, 03:53:42 am
it actually reminds me of "The One" in terms of the piano part. so beautiful. favorite vc song ever
let's just pray that the studio version doesn't ruin it (as someone said earlier)

EDIT:
does anyone else think that this is vanessa's best song of all time? her songwriting has just reached this wonderful peak; the lyrics and melody and piano part all fit so nicely together and reminds me of paul mccartney or elton john in some way.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sabasaba on October 11, 2009, 11:37:20 am
"...but time betrays me, and I get older one more year."
I love it.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on April 21, 2010, 11:18:49 pm
I agree that the lyrics is somehow like to Afterglow and I also agree that the playing style is somehow like The One. But I think this song has identity of its own, pensive and thoughtful. I like how V manages to put her reflections into a song in a poetic manner, yet the message is pretty clear, depending to the listeners.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 25, 2010, 01:25:36 am
Alternative lyrics from Nashville Pride Festival performance.

I waste away the days
Waiting on a new age
But time betrays me
And I get older one more year

Walk London's windy streets
Go anywhere but home
'Cause I'm looking for the secrets
That only cobble stones hold
Only the cobble stones know

And I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
They never come

Got a knife-throwing kind of love
But your silence cuts the deepest
And I know I've made a mess of things
And I'm sorry for all that
Wish we could get the time back

'Cause I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
Wait for it
Wait for it

Now I'm staring at the sun
As if there's a riddle I'm not in on

But the wolves howl to the Moon
And she never answers back
No, she never answers back

But after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never -- never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come, oh

I waste the days away
Waiting on a new age
Title: Re: London
Post by: Arwen on June 26, 2010, 09:52:23 am
I like the other lyrics better!
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 26, 2010, 09:16:54 pm
Same here, though I also like the 'the Earth will turn when we're gone; SO we pray the Heavens would wait on us' lyrics.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Arwen on June 27, 2010, 11:28:47 am
I know, that's the part I liked. At least she left in the lyrics about the wolves howling to the moon, though. Those are my fave.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Pushglow on June 27, 2010, 11:41:28 am
According to her Wikipedia "She also announced that the song "London" would be the first single in her upcoming record". Is that true ?
Title: Re: London
Post by: Nessaholista on June 27, 2010, 12:13:00 pm
No.

She said that London was the first song that she wrote for the up-coming record :D
Title: Re: London
Post by: vttmishere on June 27, 2010, 08:02:07 pm
I like the other line "earth will turn when we're gone" better, also.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 28, 2010, 01:30:08 am
According to her Wikipedia "She also announced that the song "London" would be the first single in her upcoming record". Is that true ?

 :-X Oops. I was the one who put that info there. Sorry for the wrong info. I already corrected it. I truly apologize.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Martin. on June 28, 2010, 01:31:44 am
^ Hahaha.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 28, 2010, 02:39:00 am
^ Hahaha.

I know. I feel pretty ashamed.  ;D I was like, "Uh-oh."
Title: Re: London
Post by: AG. on July 18, 2010, 08:28:02 am
Does anyone else think the lyric change could be as she said ' I don't believe in the devil,' so not heaven or hell either?

Just a thought.

And I also like the 'Earth will turn' more, i think it created more imagery..
Title: Re: London
Post by: Lyris on July 23, 2010, 05:58:16 pm
Would suit me just fine. I wouldn't be surprised :)
Title: Re: London
Post by: KULPDOGG on July 24, 2010, 12:29:22 pm
London lyrics (as of 6-19-2010, the Nashville Pride performance)
-------------------------------


Waste away the days
Waiting on a new age
But time betrays me
And I get older one more year

Walk London's windy streets
Go anywhere but home
'Cause I'm looking for the secrets
That only cobble stones hold
Only the cobble stones know

And I've never been so sure
That after all these years, I'll never learn
That heavenly creatures never come

You've got a knife-throwing kind of love
But your silence cuts the deepest
And I know I've made a mess of things
And I'm sorry for all that
Wish we could get the time back

Because I've never been so sure
That after all these years, I'll never learn
That heavenly creatures never come
Wait for it
Wait for it

Now I'm staring at the sun
As if there's a riddle I'm not in on
'Cause the wolves howl to the Moon
And she never answers back
No, she never answers back

And after all these years, I'll never learn
That heavenly creatures never -- never been so sure
That after all these years, I'll never learn
That heavenly creatures never come, oh

Waste away the days
Waiting on a new age
Title: Re: London
Post by: beatriz on July 25, 2010, 08:15:43 am
^Thanks for the new lyrics :)
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on July 25, 2010, 11:49:57 pm
I like the new one more.  :D
Title: Re: London
Post by: LauraH on July 31, 2010, 10:36:08 am
As if there's a riddle I'm gnawing on

Maybe it's just me, but I thought she was singing:

As if there's a riddle I'm not in on

Title: Re: London
Post by: KULPDOGG on July 31, 2010, 11:10:35 am

Maybe it's just me, but I thought she was singing:

As if there's a riddle I'm not in on




yeah you're right, my bad. edited.
Title: Re: London
Post by: whitehouses81680 on August 03, 2010, 04:28:19 pm
This has to be my absolute favorite nessa song- I'm completely obsessed with it
Title: Re: London
Post by: LauraH on August 03, 2010, 07:40:38 pm
This has to be my absolute favorite nessa song- I'm completely obsessed with it

Amen. (:
Title: Re: London
Post by: vttmishere on August 04, 2010, 06:15:53 pm
This has to be my absolute favorite nessa song- I'm completely obsessed with it
Me too! The recording from the 2009 Milford Festival makes me get into a transe, no doubt it's my fave Nessa song all-time.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on August 05, 2010, 01:39:43 am
This has to be my absolute favorite nessa song- I'm completely obsessed with it
Me too! The recording from the 2009 Milford Festival makes me get into a transe, no doubt it's my fave Nessa song all-time.

It's the best one we have, but I'm pretty sure that the actual version from the record will be more beautiful.
Title: Re: London
Post by: LauraH on August 05, 2010, 08:41:31 am
Aren't the final versions always amazing? lol
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on August 05, 2010, 03:19:05 pm
Aren't the final versions always amazing? lol

Yeah.  ;D 100% agree.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Sai on September 14, 2010, 11:42:03 am
Every time there's a new version of this song posted I always hope to myself that she changed the words "heavenly creatures" to something different. I've just never much cared for it. It just doesn't flow very well in my opinion... I keep hoping it'll grow on me but it still hasn't! Perhaps the studio version will be better. :3
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on September 15, 2010, 02:23:23 am
I don't think she'll be changing that part any time soon. In my opinion, it is what makes "London" as it is. The "heavenly creatures" is, in my opinion, a very creative thing to insert in a song.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Patricius on September 15, 2010, 01:11:16 pm
I like the song very much, and now, it's my favorite (I think I said this earlier, right? If "Waltz" was still "Waltz," "London" would be my second favorite).  The only lyric change I'm not all to crazy about is "Now I'm staring at the sun, as if they're a riddle I'm not in on."  I'm still a fan of "The earth will turn when we're gone, so we pray that Heaven what's for [on?] us."  I think it fits the "heavenly creatures" aspect more, but that's just me.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on September 19, 2010, 05:12:24 am
I agree. The first version creates more scenery in a listeners' mind.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Sai on September 19, 2010, 10:41:56 am
I agree that the first version does fit the "heavenly creatures" part better. But I still don't like that line so I don't mind if the new version doesn't compliment it because I just want it to be gone! haha. I actually think I prefer the new lyrics because they are more unique sounding. It's kind of a toss up for me though, cuz both are good.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sabasaba on September 20, 2010, 06:22:00 pm
I like the song very much, and now, it's my favorite (I think I said this earlier, right? If "Waltz" was still "Waltz," "London" would be my second favorite).  The only lyric change I'm not all to crazy about is "Now I'm staring at the sun, as if they're a riddle I'm not in on."  I'm still a fan of "The earth will turn when we're gone, so we pray that Heaven what's for [on?] us."  I think it fits the "heavenly creatures" aspect more, but that's just me.

AGREED. The previous lyric fit waaaay better in the song than the latest one. I hope the studio version has the old one.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sabasaba on September 20, 2010, 06:22:48 pm
"Got a knife-throwing kind of love, but your silence cuts the deepest."

Beautiful. I always wonder who she writes all these songs about....
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on September 20, 2010, 09:02:22 pm
I think she refers to the moon that never speaks back.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Patricius on September 22, 2010, 07:29:07 pm
From the first time I heard this, I always thought that London was a conflict between religion and science, as a literally take on "Heavenly creatures" and "wait for it"  and "Heaven" waiting for us.  Personally, I think about it's like... agnosticism and spirituality vs. a set religion and criteria for faith.  I guess it also fits Tall Tales for Spring.  She seems very "I believe in hard, factual science now."

Or maybe this is just my religious struggle coming out. :X
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on September 23, 2010, 02:19:28 am
I think that it really is about faith. She said before that, setting aside her state of being spiritual, the song is about wondering why the moon doesn't speak back to you when you call to it. I know, I'm redundant.

Anyway, I don't think V had lost her faith on religion or something, just an outsider's view. But whether she had or had not is a personal matter, IMO. It's her choice, so there's nothing I can do but support her with her choices.
Title: Re: London
Post by: vttmishere on September 23, 2010, 08:23:05 am
I like the song very much, and now, it's my favorite (I think I said this earlier, right? If "Waltz" was still "Waltz," "London" would be my second favorite).  The only lyric change I'm not all to crazy about is "Now I'm staring at the sun, as if they're a riddle I'm not in on."  I'm still a fan of "The earth will turn when we're gone, so we pray that Heaven what's for [on?] us."  I think it fits the "heavenly creatures" aspect more, but that's just me.
I also agree. But I guess I still prefer the song totally as it was before, with the "He waits for me at home" part.
But I'm happy just to know that it's going to be on the album. Since she performed it live for the first time I'm anxiously waiting for the studio version.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Sai on September 25, 2010, 11:46:30 am
From the first time I heard this, I always thought that London was a conflict between religion and science, as a literally take on "Heavenly creatures" and "wait for it"  and "Heaven" waiting for us.  Personally, I think about it's like... agnosticism and spirituality vs. a set religion and criteria for faith.  I guess it also fits Tall Tales for Spring.  She seems very "I believe in hard, factual science now."

I agree, both seem to me to be about questioning religion. I'd like to hear what she has to say about the themes in her music though. I personally am not a religious person, but V seems like she always has been. It just makes me wonder what's going on inside that head of hers! haha
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on September 25, 2010, 07:22:57 pm
I agree. I've been wondering about what's going on inside her head too. I've known her to be a religious person, but when I heard "London," I became confused.
Title: Re: London
Post by: _all_is_well_ on October 07, 2010, 05:08:08 pm
I agree. I've been wondering about what's going on inside her head too. I've known her to be a religious person, but when I heard "London," I became confused.
SAME! Then when I heard her mention Hawkings, I became even more confused haha.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on October 08, 2010, 01:14:31 am
Yeah. I think science has been playing a great part in her beliefs now?
Title: Re: London
Post by: georgina on October 08, 2010, 02:09:00 pm
i never interpreted this song as having anything to do with religion? I perceived heavenly creatures to be metaphorical...

And I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
They never come


to me, it sounds like, after many failed relationships, she's realized that the perfect (perhaps, "angelic") person doesn't exist. you kind of pray that this amazing person will come and save you from the mundanity of life. but it never happens. and if you do meet someone like that, the longer you get to know them the more mortal they appear, eventually hurting you. she keeps hoping, but has now come to terms with reality.

...am i crazy?
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on October 08, 2010, 02:46:44 pm
i never interpreted this song as having anything to do with religion? I perceived heavenly creatures to be metaphorical...

And I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
They never come


to me, it sounds like, after many failed relationships, she's realized that the perfect (perhaps, "angelic") person doesn't exist. you kind of pray that this amazing person will come and save you from the mundanity of life. but it never happens. and if you do meet someone like that, the longer you get to know them the more mortal they appear, eventually hurting you. she keeps hoping, but has now come to terms with reality.

...am i crazy?

No you're not. And I like your interpretation. We just kind of focused on the religious interpretation of the song because that was what V has mentioned in her previous shows - why the moon doesn't talk back to you when you do to it.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sabasaba on October 12, 2010, 09:40:14 pm
i never interpreted this song as having anything to do with religion? I perceived heavenly creatures to be metaphorical...

And I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
They never come


to me, it sounds like, after many failed relationships, she's realized that the perfect (perhaps, "angelic") person doesn't exist. you kind of pray that this amazing person will come and save you from the mundanity of life. but it never happens. and if you do meet someone like that, the longer you get to know them the more mortal they appear, eventually hurting you. she keeps hoping, but has now come to terms with reality.

...am i crazy?

No, you're not. I like your interpretation.
Title: Re: London
Post by: lavender skies on February 23, 2011, 06:07:17 pm
You know, I really hope I start to like this song because I cannot get into it...It's one of my least favorite songs of hers of all time... I'm sure I will fall in love with the album version, though. I must be missing something because everyone loves this song.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Weisz on February 24, 2011, 01:23:15 am
You know, I really hope I start to like this song because I cannot get into it...It's one of my least favorite songs of hers of all time... I'm sure I will fall in love with the album version, though. I must be missing something because everyone loves this song.

I was the same, it has grown a lot on me lately tho, and then when i heard the snippet on the new video i was like...holy shit, and now im sooo excited for it ;D  ;D
Title: Re: London
Post by: sarab on May 16, 2011, 10:25:10 am
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on May 16, 2011, 07:19:26 pm
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.

You're like, the V -song-decoder. (: I love your interpretation.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sarab on May 16, 2011, 09:48:39 pm
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.

You're like, the V -song-decoder. (: I love your interpretation.

awww, thank you! That means a lot. No one  else replied :) thanks so much.  It's just what it means to me these days!
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on May 16, 2011, 09:58:27 pm
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.

You're like, the V -song-decoder. (: I love your interpretation.

awww, thank you! That means a lot. No one  else replied :) thanks so much.  It's just what it means to me these days!

(: You're welcome..

Your interpretation got me thinking actually. Maybe it's the way how London set V free from writer's block. there's no better way to conquer writer's block than to write about the block itself.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sarab on May 16, 2011, 10:00:12 pm
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.

You're like, the V -song-decoder. (: I love your interpretation.

awww, thank you! That means a lot. No one  else replied :) thanks so much.  It's just what it means to me these days!

(: You're welcome..

Your interpretation got me thinking actually. Maybe it's the way how London set V free from writer's block. there's no better way to conquer writer's block than to write about the block itself.

hmmmm! yesss!
Title: Re: London
Post by: VaderDawsn on May 17, 2011, 04:47:53 pm
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.


I really like this take on the meaning of this song.  This is what I love about VC's music.  Her lyrics relate so much to these universal struggles as we mature.  When I met her after her show at SUNY Oneonta, I told her that her music was "the soundtrack of my life", because her lyrics are so easy to relate to.  8 years later, I still feel the same way.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sarab on May 17, 2011, 04:53:08 pm
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.


I really like this take on the meaning of this song.  This is what I love about VC's music.  Her lyrics relate so much to these universal struggles as we mature.  When I met her after her show at SUNY Oneonta, I told her that her music was "the soundtrack of my life", because her lyrics are so easy to relate to.  8 years later, I still feel the same way.

Thanks!  I think that is what I love about it too. It's just so..deep and awesome.  I'm jealous you got to meet her.  I am hoping I can at least meet her shake her hand and get enough courage to say Hi this summer in NYC or Boston.
Title: Re: London
Post by: [sobriquet] on May 18, 2011, 03:08:40 am
Gosh, I connected to this song immediately, and I'm going to post about it again today because I had an epiphany while driving today.  First off, I'll apologize if someone else already said this because I haven't read through this topic in a bit.  It is also very close to what I have written before but today something struck me as slightly differnt and I had to share. 
The meaning I get from this song is a crisis of faith.  But not just faith of religion; faith in love, faith in life, faith in creativity, faith for faith's sake and of course faith in the spiritual and religious senses.  I remember her saying this was the first song she wrote in a long time, it was what broke her writer's block.  I think it is because it expresses all the crisis of faith that she was feeling in herself, in others, and in the world around her.  She was finally able to express all the "crisis" she was feeling.  "looking for the secrets" is looking for all the answers to every question that crisis in faith brings about.  She was searching for meaning and searching for reasons.
That is what it means to me, and even if that's not what it means to her, it will always strike me in this way.


I really like this take on the meaning of this song.  This is what I love about VC's music.  Her lyrics relate so much to these universal struggles as we mature.  When I met her after her show at SUNY Oneonta, I told her that her music was "the soundtrack of my life", because her lyrics are so easy to relate to.  8 years later, I still feel the same way.

Thanks!  I think that is what I love about it too. It's just so..deep and awesome.  I'm jealous you got to meet her.  I am hoping I can at least meet her shake her hand and get enough courage to say Hi this summer in NYC or Boston.

At least you guys have the opportunity this summer.

I don't even know if she will ever come back here in the Philippines. Just shake her hands really well for me.  ;D
Title: Re: London
Post by: Manny on May 18, 2011, 07:00:20 am
i never interpreted this song as having anything to do with religion? I perceived heavenly creatures to be metaphorical...

And I've never been so sure
That after all these years, all that I've learned
Is that heavenly creatures never come
They never come


to me, it sounds like, after many failed relationships, she's realized that the perfect (perhaps, "angelic") person doesn't exist. you kind of pray that this amazing person will come and save you from the mundanity of life. but it never happens. and if you do meet someone like that, the longer you get to know them the more mortal they appear, eventually hurting you. she keeps hoping, but has now come to terms with reality.

...am i crazy?

I can relate a lot more with this  :'(
Title: Re: London
Post by: sabasaba on May 18, 2011, 01:30:32 pm
I think 'London' is a grower...
Title: Re: London
Post by: sarab on May 18, 2011, 02:23:44 pm
I think 'London' is a grower...

ohhh not for me. something clicked with me immediately, then with my own personal epiphany and interpretation, it only grew deeper :)  I also like Georgina's interpretation on the meaning, but I feel like the song came about because of a crisis in faith.
Title: Re: London
Post by: Patricius on May 19, 2011, 11:30:15 am
I think 'London' is a grower...

I have to go with Sarab on this one: I enjoyed and connected with London immediately.  Once the "good" quality version of it was featured on YouTube (the one from Hotel Cafe some time in March), I loved it immediately.  Uncanny timing or not...the lyrics just seem to be fitting what I was going to.  Fairweather Friends for me was a grower. :P
Title: Re: London
Post by: sarab on May 19, 2011, 12:06:15 pm
I think 'London' is a grower...

I have to go with Sarab on this one: I enjoyed and connected with London immediately.  Once the "good" quality version of it was featured on YouTube (the one from Hotel Cafe some time in March), I loved it immediately.  Uncanny timing or not...the lyrics just seem to be fitting what I was going to.  Fairweather Friends for me was a grower. :P

ha! me too with FWF! :)
Title: Re: London
Post by: lavender skies on May 19, 2011, 06:46:44 pm
I think 'London' is a grower...
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Yes, it definitely was for me.
Title: Re: London
Post by: sarab on November 09, 2011, 02:34:36 am
I have always loved this song but lately it's been on repeat.  Once again, as I was driving (at night) and listening to the song I was suddenly struck by the notion that this one is about her family.  After revealing that she was estranged from her parents, I see that the lyrics can be related to that, especially "you've got a knife-throwing kind of love but your silence cuts the deepest."  To me that's desscribing a family that will fight and yell but make up -- but this time there is nothing - no talking, no fighthing - and that hurts worse than the fights.  I have always loved this line.  I always thought it pertained to a lover of sorts.  But then I started having a familial issue of my own: my sister who lives in AZ (me in NY) was in NY but never even told me! I found out on facebook of all places.  So I totally relate to silence hurting worse than fighting words.  Then there are all the lines about faith - at least in my opinion they are about faith - "after all these years I'll never learn that heavenly creature never come" could be the reason they had been estranged - Vanessa coming to her own conclusions about religion and faith that differ from her parents. 
The album version of the song is not the best version, but I think it's still my fav on this album.