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Title: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: moonvalley138 on June 20, 2010, 07:15:04 am
http://www.afterellen.com/blog/trishbendix/vanessa-carlton-comes-out-as-bisexual


 ;D
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: TRINIST on June 20, 2010, 07:40:21 am
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Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Martin. on June 20, 2010, 08:48:33 am
Wow. I didn't see that coming.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Pushglow on June 20, 2010, 09:20:50 am
There were some clues:

- Some gay couples appeared in half of her video clip: "Ordinary Day", "Pretty Baby" and "Hands on Me"
- The lyrics of "Who's to Say" and what she used to say before performing this song ("...does not approved by your mother or the government")
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Martin. on June 20, 2010, 09:25:59 am
I think Regina Spektor is bi/gay. Not that it has anything to do with V or owt, but this topic just reminded me.

Anyway, good for her. :)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: cassiemoy on June 20, 2010, 09:51:37 am
lovely!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: _all_is_well_ on June 20, 2010, 10:35:49 am
Wow. I didn't see that coming.
same. It took her a long time to come out.. but good for her.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: ManuelD on June 20, 2010, 01:16:39 pm
Wow. I didn't see that coming.

I know!!!!! But I'm so happy for her!!! She is now a the top of my LGBT idols list. Maybe we can get a video with a female love interest for the next album. :D
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: star2b711 on June 20, 2010, 02:09:33 pm
 :) Only a matter of time till it hit perezhilton: http://perezhilton.com/2010-06-20-vanessa-carlton-announces-that-shes-bisexual#respond
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: NoelleNC on June 20, 2010, 02:18:02 pm
Hmm, interesting. I wonder why she finally decided to say that after all this time. She doesn't seem like the type of person who would hold something like that in if it had been on her mind which makes me wonder if it's a new revelation for her or something. My cousin had a very tough couple of relationships and then started dating women because she didn't trust men anymore, I wonder if that is what happened with Vanessa or if she always felt that way.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: sabasaba on June 20, 2010, 02:35:01 pm
Why did it take her this long to come out though?
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Weisz on June 20, 2010, 02:56:12 pm
Some people are gonna be mad about the "tranny" word usage...You'll see...

It's not that i didnt see this coming to be honest but, putting aside the videos, all her lyrics are always super specific in that matter:"boy", "him", "he"... Id be nice to see more of the bi side of V in the upcoming songs, this way i will not have to change the sex genre in my mind xd

I'm happy for her and all : )
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: TRINIST on June 20, 2010, 03:18:05 pm
I'm pretty sure that she didn't feel the need to "come out" or make a big announcement before. She said it in passing at a show for gay pride to share the love, It's not like she sold out to a magazine or something. I don't wish to presume I know Vanessa, but I can't see her doing this for publicity. She usually shies away from fame. Plus her album won't be out for a while, so what's the point? V isn't really a "celebrity", she's a musician, so why should she "come out"? Who's business is it? It was bound to end up on a few gossip sites but it probably just seemed appropriate to say it during her set. It's just a part of who she is that never needed attention before.

And I don't see why she would feel the need to change the gender references in her songs for anyone. I'm sure if a specific song was about a woman, she wouldn't hide that but, like bisexual girls I know, maybe she has more loving and meaningful relationships with men and not as many with women? When we listen to music, we take what we relate to and apply our own take anyway. It's not up to the songwriter to cater for every listener, because that just wouldn't be possible. She's better being true to herself and writing from her own experiences and how she feels. It's worked well so far!

Love you, Vanessa.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: itsthefiveofus on June 20, 2010, 03:47:56 pm
I screamed. I cried. I went nuts when I read this. I have always and will always love her! Her music has just helped me through real tough times of me coming out. To just know that my favorite singer is Bisexual just makes me feel so much more closer to her. I really am proud of her for coming out the way she did. She has always been so secretive about stuff like this. So I just wow. Im like dying right now. I am so proud of her. She is still my number one and always will be : D 
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: ManuelD on June 20, 2010, 03:49:55 pm
She's not a big celebrity but she is a celebrity and a public figure, and her coming out is relevant because LGBT visibility is very important to end homophobia.

I also think it's important for bisexual women, because lately many pop singers (Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Ke$ha) have played the bi card (or the "I'd screw anything that moves" card) just to get attention and get people talking about them; female bisexuality isn't taken seriously anymore. So, when someone like Vanessa (who doesn't use sex or controversy to help her career) comes out, it really is a big deal.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Arwen on June 20, 2010, 05:51:03 pm
Wow. I didn't see that coming.

I know!!!!! But I'm so happy for her!!! She is now a the top of my LGBT idols list. Maybe we can get a video with a female love interest for the next album. :D

Where do I sign up for that?? LOL

All jokes aside, I'm happy for Vanessa and I think it's a great thing that she decided to reveal this. Good for her!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Martin. on June 20, 2010, 06:14:39 pm
Just because she revealed it now doesn't mean it's new for her. Chances are she's had these feelings for years.

We all know V's a private woman and only talks about her personal life when necessary (I.E when it's to do with her music). Her talking about this at an event for gays, bisexuals, etc isn't surprising.

Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: katiekat on June 20, 2010, 07:43:27 pm
She's not a big celebrity but she is a celebrity and a public figure, and her coming out is relevant because LGBT visibility is very important to end homophobia.

I also think it's important for bisexual women, because lately many pop singers (Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Ke$ha) have played the bi card (or the "I'd screw anything that moves" card) just to get attention and get people talking about them; female bisexuality isn't taken seriously anymore. So, when someone like Vanessa (who doesn't use sex or controversy to help her career) comes out, it really is a big deal.

I couldn't agree more with this comment :) I'm so proud of Vanessa shes my hero :)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: shinessobright on June 21, 2010, 08:31:50 am
man what a nice surprise when i decided to check the forum today. i think this makes my few vanessa carlton meetings make more sense. The first time I actually met Vanessa was in 2007, on July 24 in LA. I was so excited because I was meeting up with my friend jess at the concert and she told me that vanessa might sign autographs at the end of the show.  I was standing right next to the stage, pretty much at V's feet. jess pointed out to me that vanessa's parents were standing pretty close to us (which I thought was so cool). Then Stevie Nicks came out as a surprise and sang the One with Vanessa. I practically died at that moment. but it gets better. During the concert, vanessa kept sneaking looks at me i swear. We made eye contact a few times, and I could feel my heart melting. At the end of the concert, I waited around for what like seemed forever. I waited in line over by the corner of the stage with a bunch of other fans (like 15 pple or so), to hopefully at least get a glimpse of vanessa. She came out finally and signed autographs. i came prepared. I had a sharpie and my ticket stub and a random scrap of paper ( i think it was a flyer for the club the show was in). When it was my turn, I was so excited. I didnt know what to say to her. I asked her for a hug first. She gave me one, and I melted into her arms. I hugged her for what seemed like a little too long for being strangers, but she didnt mind, she let me let go first. Then I blurted out, "Could you sign my shoe?"  I was wearing my new favorite shoes that I got for an early bday present. They are turquoise and white checkered slip on vans.  I took my shoe off and handed it to her. She just laughed and said, "no one has ever asked me to sign their shoe before." She scribbled her signature on the shoe, and gave it back. I put it back on and said thank you. I asked her for two more autographs and she did them for me. I asked her for another hug and she said "sure". We hugged for a longer time than the first one, and when I finally let go, she said something that will be forever etched into my memory; "Next thing you'll be asking is to make out with me." Her bouncer/ security dude, that also took my picture with Vanessa for me just laughed. Before I got my picture taken, I had to run all the way back to my car across the street. I told her, "Could you wait around for like 5 more minutes, because I really want a picture and my camera is in the car." She said sure, and laughed again. I ran so fast, and got my camera. She took the picture with me, and she gave me a half hug (she had her arm wrapped around me and she squeezed me from the side). I just walked away breathless...

...The next time I saw Vanessa was in 2009 in March in LA at some super small venue. I remember the concert started at 10pm and I had a huge Linguistics test the next day early in the morning. But I convinced my friend John to drive us and I paid for the tickets. (I also had to buy him a drink at the club that the concert was at.) I studied with a flashlight on the drive up and I forced him to listen to Vanessa on the way up. Vanessa didnt come out and start to play until after 1030, and I had managed to secure a spot right in front of the stage, near V's feet. I stared at Vanessa the entire time, completely mesmerized by her beauty and everything. She talked about reading Joan Didion, and I was drawn even further to her. I had read some of her books pretty recently and I knew what she was talking about when she described the feelings that the book made her feel. After the concert was over, I made john wait with me in case vanessa came out. Most of the people left right after the concert, and a few more random pple came in, because another band was setting up to play. Vanessa finally emerged while the new band on the stage was sound checking. She was mingling with the few pple by the bar and signed a couple of autographs. I came super prepared this time. I had 3 pictures for her to sign for me and I was wearing the same shoes. When I went up to her this time, I handed her my other shoe that she didnt sign and a sharpie. She just smiled at me and said "i remember you. it was a while ago, but I never forgot that shoe." I swooned as she signed everything I brought, and asked for a hug. She stepped up closer to me, and wrapped her arms around me. She leaned close and I could feel her breath tickling my neck. I was feeling so flustered and hot, her embrace felt so good. Afterwards, she moved closer to the bar and ordered a drink. I blushed furiously because I was still standing next to her. I ordered a drink (cranberry and vodka, because i was sure as hell not drinking the vodka and tonic she ordered). when the bartender girl came back with the drinks, V was getting money out. I just pushed a twenty into the bartenders hand and said, "I got both drinks." Vanessa just smiled at me, and we talked for a few minutes, until some guy, (I think it was the violin guy) came over and told her that everything was packed up and that they were going to head out in a few. Vanessa just drained the last of her drink and said, "bye" to me after talking to the guy for a minute. I said, "before you go, do you think I could have one more hug? No making out I promise." She just laughed, she must have remembered what she said the last time. We hugged and my heart melted and then she was gone, blended into the crowd in the dim lights of the bar.

By far, the best two experiences of my entire life. I always felt that Vanessa noticed me for some random reason. I wonder if she even remembers me.


if people want pictures to go along with the story, the two pictures I have with vanessa personally and a picture of the shoes, give me a couple of days to upload them :)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: ManuelD on June 21, 2010, 09:07:46 am
^ That's a wonderful story!!! I am so jealous!!! >:(

You should definitely post the pics. ;)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Pushglow on June 21, 2010, 09:09:04 am
Nice story, it made me smile. Ahah, you requested lots of hugs from her :) Did you at least steal her DNA? If you clone her, could you sell me a copy please ;D

And yeah, we wants these pictures!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: beatriz on June 21, 2010, 09:26:28 am
Haha, now I wanna hug her! Nice story  :D
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Weisz on June 21, 2010, 09:38:37 am
What a lovely story, a dream come true to a fan :)

TBH, I would had joked a bit more about the make out thing.....because...whattt ifffff....!!!

Now if she says in a song something about the girl with the shoe, we will know to whom it refers ;)

And yes, defenitly we want those pics!!!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Pan on June 21, 2010, 09:48:43 am
Good for her.

But on another note, when is news about an album going to come? I see stories on Perez about a dog bite and bisexuality, but where's the album news?  :-\
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Weisz on June 21, 2010, 09:54:27 am
By the way people ;D, here is the video of her when she says the Im a proud bisexual woman, of corse its before Whos to say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5QRzWLKxs Too bad we can listen what she says next due to the audience screaming xD Shes awesome...
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: nosticker on June 21, 2010, 10:29:31 am
Doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other.  I accept people for who they are.  I think that is important.  What's more, I believe that few are 100% straight or gay.
 
I judge people largely on how they treat me; what they do in the evenings or behind closed doors is their right and none of anyone's business.

Finally, Vanessa's private life has no bearing at all on how I feel about her or her music.  All I hope is that she is happy and continues to make more great music.

Dan/NS
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: ManuelD on June 21, 2010, 10:42:40 am
I know her coming out was as honest as it gets and not a career move, but I really hope it helps her career anyway. Maybe with all the attention she's getting right now she might get a new record deal.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: tylor2000 on June 21, 2010, 01:12:30 pm
Well, at least there are no donkeys involved. I think.   ;)

Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: eclv on June 21, 2010, 01:36:01 pm
I am so happy and proud of her. She's always been a big supporter. She didn't have to say anything about herself. I really don't think she thought it would be everywhere when she said it. Oh the power of twitter. Someone who was at the show tweeted about it and someone else RT'ed it, who blogged etc. etc. I've seen tweets about it from E! Online, TVGuide, Extra. It's even on the AOL and Yahoo! Home pages. Yeah, she had no idea that was going to happen.

Some of us already knew ;) 



 
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: beatriz on June 21, 2010, 01:40:22 pm
Well, at least there are no donkeys involved. I think.   ;)


lmao!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: CelestialHorse on June 21, 2010, 01:41:27 pm
That's cool! :) I'm glad she knows what she wants and everything! I did notice the gay/bi/lesbian theme in some videos. I thought that she was very open minded to sexuality, didn't suspect her to be bi but that's great :) Pro Choice ftw! :)

Cute story btw! :) I admire people that are brave enough to hug their fav. people XD Ah well, you have to over come your shyness sometimes :P
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: CelestialHorse on June 21, 2010, 01:43:29 pm
Doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other.  I accept people for who they are.  I think that is important.  What's more, I believe that few are 100% straight or gay.
 
I judge people largely on how they treat me; what they do in the evenings or behind closed doors is their right and none of anyone's business.

Finally, Vanessa's private life has no bearing at all on how I feel about her or her music.  All I hope is that she is happy and continues to make more great music.

Dan/NS

MIssed your post but I totally agree.  All I care about is that she's a good person :D
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Manda on June 21, 2010, 02:27:50 pm
Saw this on omg! and she's one of the top searches on Yahoo!

Wow. A few years ago I probably wouldn't have agreed with this, but now after meeting all types from the LGBT community and becoming a lover of The L Word (Yay, TiBette!) makes me love her all over again. She may have been rude the last time I saw her in Chicago, but I now have rekindled feelings for V and cannot wait to see her perform again (maybe this time she'll be nicer, like most other times). My heart stopped and then started beating very quickly, she's just a gem and I'm glad she went public for all those who feel they can't, to be able look up to an artist who isn't just your typical straight artist is refreshing. She'll always be my number one lady love. :) Go V!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Manny on June 21, 2010, 02:29:44 pm
love it! love it! which more reasons I will love her even more!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: CelestialHorse on June 21, 2010, 03:29:52 pm
Exactly. It's so nice to hear how open minded people are especially people you love ya know? :) It makes you respect them more. I had/have a few friends that were/are asexual or gay or bi when I'm straight. They're good(Well not my ex friends).

Maybe now that we're hearing more about Nessa she can update us more soon :P
Title: Singer Vanessa Carlton a reveals she's 'a proud bisexual woman'
Post by: charmedguy18 on June 21, 2010, 06:27:31 pm
Haha well yay for V for coming out then!
http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/06/21/vanessa-carlton-bisexual/ (http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/06/21/vanessa-carlton-bisexual/)

Also love the performance here.

Well... She seems like she's out of breath, but it's still awesome nonetheless.
Title: Re: Singer Vanessa Carlton a reveals she's 'a proud bisexual woman'
Post by: charmedguy18 on June 21, 2010, 06:50:43 pm
apparently this is old news oops!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: jessica73 on June 21, 2010, 07:13:17 pm
I TOLD YALL
I said "precious ladies, love you, love me"  and "heart of a woman could never be found in the arms of a man" in "Rinse was incredibly gay back on the fullerene boards, but nooo  ::)
Title: Re: Singer Vanessa Carlton a reveals she's 'a proud bisexual woman'
Post by: eclv on June 21, 2010, 07:21:55 pm
apparently this is old news oops!

I merged it for you. Thanks for the link. I can't believe someone found the video. All the reports I have seen have just been twitter verified.

Holy crap!! The video has over 2,215 views and I just posted it today.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: initially_yours on June 21, 2010, 11:02:19 pm
Everything's been said already, but this is really cool, despite the mean comments on blog sites ("She's just doing it for attention", "Look at me!  I'm straight!").  Whatever.  I guess only us fans know her better than that. 

Anyway, it takes huge amounts of courage to come out as whatever queer person and I don't expect straight people -- well, mainly just the ignorant ones who can't and will not ever understand the difficulty of coming out -- to understand, and now I admire Vanessa even more.  :)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 22, 2010, 01:50:44 am
I respect whatever V declares herself to be. What matters is that she don't do bad things to others. Get it?  ;)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: tricia on June 22, 2010, 05:30:41 am
There's a little article up on the Advocate with a great pic of Vanessa.

Be forewarned, the article has a bit of a slant saying that Vanessa (and other bisexual starlets) is doing it for a bit of attention.

http://advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Features/Girls_Who_Say_They_Like_Girls/ (http://advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Features/Girls_Who_Say_They_Like_Girls/)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: CelestialHorse on June 22, 2010, 07:49:22 am
I don't see V as one to try to get attention like some other celebs out there. I agree with that statement about at least she isn't hurting others :)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Martin. on June 22, 2010, 08:04:04 am
Those saying she's attention seeking are idiots.

Attention for what? An album that isn't even out yet? Riiight. And if she did want attention, I'm sure she's smart enough to know coming out as bisexual is hardly controversial or shocking. Signing with The Inc got her more attention than this.

She's an artist that doesn't give a crap about getting her name in the papers or causing controversy for herself. She just wants to make & release music and tour - and that's been evident for years!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: cassiemoy on June 22, 2010, 08:42:36 am
right - the album isn't even out yet, and despite the optimism of some nessaholics, i have a feeling it'll be months and months. she's not promoting it. and kulp said she didn't even mention the title "rabbits on the run," which one would definitely do if one were pushing for publicity. also, i definitely think it was just v and her intimate/personal-but-not-dramatic, conversational style of doing shows.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Manda on June 22, 2010, 08:56:40 am
I do feel like I am reading a lot about artists and actors coming out for attention but in this case I just don't believe it. Ever since she came out they tried to separate her from Michelle Branch and tried to portray her as the "good girl" artist type that I feel she's been trying hard to break away from. This will show people that she the person that record label corporate types have tried to make her out to be. I still think she's trying to separate her image but not clawing her way back to the top, she just has no interest in being at the top or in the public eye for as long as she's been out there performing. I've always loved that she was outspoken and honest, always the two. She may always feel like, "oops! maybe I should not have said that." but she stands by what she says as truth (bad moment, but true). She's always been a low key person, likes intimate crowds, and wants to get her music out there to the fans that have stood by her for so long. The media will say what they will but they haven't tracked her since Be not Nobody like we have, this isn't for publicity because Vanessa Carlton is not another Heidi Montag nutcase saying and doing anything to constantly be in front of the camera. She's talented and honest, so they can shove it as being a lie.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: ManuelD on June 22, 2010, 09:52:11 am
They are actually putting her on the same category as Tila Tequila and Kesha. >:(

Being a bisexual female isn't very controversial anymore, UNLESS you are in the gay community, them people will call you a liar and accuse you of having other motives to coming out than just being honest and open.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Martin. on June 22, 2010, 10:01:51 am
I doubt Vanessa gives a shit so neither should we.

Let the idiots believe what they want.

The fact is, Vanessa has no reason to lie about her sexuality. WTF? Coming out as bi is gonna give her a hit? Please.

The difference between Vanessa & that Kesha girl is that Vanessa told a crowd of people she was bi @ GAY pride. Kesha probably told the papers herself and Katy Perry made a song about it to cause controversy & score a hit.

Those girls are mainstream artists who NEED to sell. Vanessa isn't & doesn't.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: iluvvanessa on June 22, 2010, 11:17:45 am
i cant believe what the people on entertainment weekly are saying about her...shit, do some research first?
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: TRINIST on June 22, 2010, 02:27:50 pm
"I don't feel famous, I feel like I have some famous songs. Some people live for being famous, that's the point of thier job, I don't. I've always gotten enough validation from my family and friends where I don't feel like I need to seek it out."
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: CelestialHorse on June 22, 2010, 05:59:28 pm
Yeah that's what I love about Vanessa, she doesn't need to prove anything or get attention, I think she's great long as her friends, family and fans are along her side. I don't really like it when people are so attention starving, I like it when you're yourself.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Rick on June 22, 2010, 11:27:32 pm
I'm really disliking what everyone said about her on Perez Hilton.

"It's sad for other gays (im not gay or bi) that celebs have to say crap like that when its probably not true solely for attention."

"and she needs to sell some records that's the reason why she came out as a "half lesbian"… lol.
nowadays pretty much everyone is bisexual… how funny."

And I'm guessing all the assholes posting stuff like that on Perez's site don't give a crap about good music, or musicianship. It gets me extremely upset.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 23, 2010, 04:52:14 am
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Sadly, those who think that V did her announcement just for publicity is narrow-minded. I mean, can't they explore the idea that V doesn't really care about getting million times famous than she is now?   :-\ Just a thought. 
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: CelestialHorse on June 23, 2010, 06:07:21 am
 ::) at people putting her in a category as other people that is craving attention and what not*.

Ah well. We know the truth so that is all we should care about :D
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Lord Star on June 23, 2010, 07:08:43 am
Plus it's her music that counts. It'll never change, it will always have artistry in it.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 23, 2010, 07:15:30 am
Yes.

V is an artist, not a celebrity. Therefore, she's all about talent, not fame.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: nosticker on June 23, 2010, 08:51:19 am
I can't believe people are saying that she is craving attention.  Sure, it's a cliche to say "I'm Bi!  Look At Me, Y'all!", but VC has never done a straight-up publicity stunt like that.  I believe she has more respect for the gay/bi community than to use them as a promotional tool.  Doesn't make sense!

I'd love it if our girl ACTUALLY DID crave more attention.  In fact, I feel as if she tries to stay obscure.

Here's hoping she didn't sign her life away to UMG.


Dan/NS
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: iluvvanessa on June 23, 2010, 11:05:17 am
"I don't feel famous, I feel like I have some famous songs. Some people live for being famous, that's the point of thier job, I don't. I've always gotten enough validation from my family and friends where I don't feel like I need to seek it out."
that is my favorite quote from her...words to live by!
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: All I Ask2003 on June 23, 2010, 04:48:34 pm
Let me preface my comment by saying I will always love Vanessa as a personal figure and as a musician, but I don't understand why all of you are dismissing the idea that she did do it for attention.  You speculate that, because her album is not yet released, this could not be a publicity stunt, for lack of a better word.  This was her first public appearance in months, and this would clearly garner attention and would likely snowball until the release of her album; even once the word dies down, when the album release date approaches, media will remind us about her "coming out," and people will begin to talk about her again. 

I do not have any problem with homosexuals or bisexuals or anything of the sort; I believe I am one of the most open-minded people I know, but it is my opinion that her declaration, as well as those of other celebrities, are unnecessary.  I believe that bisexuality is largely a fad, and that by announcing it in such a fashion as one's sexual orientation is most likely a cry for attention.  Bisexuality is controversial, arguably more so than full-out homosexuality, and that's because the validity of it in itself is questionable.  In my opinion, bisexuality is not a legitimate sexual orientation; it is a half-measure for those too afraid to accept themselves as completely homosexual or a way for females to get attention. 

Pansexuality, on the other hand, seems legitimate and could easily be misinterpreted as bisexuality, and I would be more likely to believe that Vanessa is pansexual rather than bisexual.  Pansexuality is defined as being attracted to a person regardless of their sex.  I once read an article, years ago, where a woman declared that she was hesitant to call herself a lesbian because the woman who became her life partner was the first woman she had been in love with, and said "I don't love her because she's a woman, I would love her if she were a purple alien," and I think that demonstrates the concept of pansexuality very well.

ANYWAY, I was surprised when I read that Vanessa "came out" as bisexual, but only because that seems like such a media attention-grabbing move and I have always believed her to be disinterested in fame and attention.  And again, I am in no way calling Vanessa wrong, nor am I saying bisexuality is wrong, or anything like that.  I simply believe that her announcement seemed a bit unnecessary. 

VC love forever :) 
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: nutnlp on June 23, 2010, 06:24:22 pm
I do believe that V can sometimes get caught up in the moment and say something to be a 'crowd pleaser' as she was playing a Gay pride festival..but I honestly believe she didn't say anything for attention...her shows have totally gone under the radar the last couple years and it's not like she had an album/single coming out that week or anything? I strongly do not believe this was any kind of publicity stunt.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: ManuelD on June 23, 2010, 08:34:06 pm
Bisexuality is one of the three sexual orientations recognized by the World Health Organization, pansexuality is a trend.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 24, 2010, 01:04:03 am
I think we can never be so sure of the real reason of her announcement, unless she tells us herself. It is something that only she knows for sure.

IMO, it doesn't matter what that reason could be. I became V's fan because of her music, not of her sexuality. I don't mean to offend anyone, but that's what's in my mind.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: CelestialHorse on June 27, 2010, 07:32:55 pm
Huh, I don't think I heard of pansexual. Heard of Asexual though.

Yeah I don't really care about anyone's sexual orientation either. I just care about who the person is and what they do :D

Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: [sobriquet] on June 29, 2010, 06:26:11 am
Yeah I don't really care about anyone's sexual orientation either. I just care about who the person is and what they do :D

Exactly my point.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: sabasaba on June 29, 2010, 06:01:14 pm
I doubt Vanessa gives a shit so neither should we.

Let the idiots believe what they want.

The fact is, Vanessa has no reason to lie about her sexuality. WTF? Coming out as bi is gonna give her a hit? Please.

The difference between Vanessa & that Kesha girl is that Vanessa told a crowd of people she was bi @ GAY pride. Kesha probably told the papers herself and Katy Perry made a song about it to cause controversy & score a hit.

Those girls are mainstream artists who NEED to sell. Vanessa isn't & doesn't.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't believe Vanessa did it for the attention - that's not her scene. I agree with you completely, she came out at a freaking GAY PRIDE festival. If she wanted media coverage, she'd have sold the story to a magazine like Cameron Diaz or Anna Paquin, but whatever, haters gonna hate. People need to get off her case.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: star2b711 on June 30, 2010, 04:38:04 pm
I personally don't really care what Vanessa (or any other artist for that matter) does in their spare time....I listen to Vanessa because I appreciate her art and her music; not because I am particularly invested in what her personal beliefs or affiliations are.  Now, for the matter of whether this announcement was a so called "publicity stunt"...I really don't think that's simply it; however it may have played a part.  The truth of the matter is that really NONE of us really know what Vanessa's true goal in announcing this was (I mean V is so secretive to begin with, who knows what's going on with her mind and decision making right? ;)) The only reason I bring up the publicity angle at all is because in my opinion that is how the media seems to be spinning it - I don't know how tapped into entertainment "news" everyone is, but I am to some degree and let me tell you V's announcement is popping up EVERWHERE (perezhilton, prime-time E-News anyone?).  All I'm saying is that, with all the heavy press and media exposure Vanessa is now getting - it's not hard to envision some brilliant pr move.  What I DO NOT agree with however, is how the media seems to be lumping V in with other "hip-to-be-bi" artists who I personally think really ARE in it just for the exposure.  Anyways, sorry for the rambling - just trying to convince everyone to have an open mind and remember there are always two sides to a story :)

☮ ♥ VC
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Rabbits_on_the_run on June 30, 2010, 10:30:14 pm
that made me laugh, it was on michelle branch's tweeter :

"didnt know you were a BI ? wow" (via @itsmi007) I'm not. That would be my doppelganger @vanessacarlton :)

Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Lyris on July 12, 2010, 12:45:38 pm
One other thing I have noticed (being European) is the moderate American reaction to any loved/respected figure announcing they belong to a sexuality other than straight. It usually goes something like: "Well, who cares what she does in her private life anyway" or, "Well she's still great". Both indicate a level of latent prejudice on a cultural, but not necessarily individual level.

Quote from: All I Ask 2003
In my opinion, bisexuality is not a legitimate sexual orientation; it is a half-measure for those too afraid to accept themselves as completely homosexual or a way for females to get attention.
That argument doesn't hold a lot of water. The fear of coming out as bisexual is the same as it is for coming out as homosexual. Your average bigot doesn't differentiate between the two. And contrary to how it may appear when you look at the number of female celebs choosing the "bisexual" label, they are both minority sexualities.

As for the original subject of this thread: you know what, I'm not surprised, but I am strangely delighted. There's a certain mild androgyny in her appearance that I've always admired, and I've always found the unashamed sexual honesty in her songs (White Houses springs to mind) incredibly refreshing - especially coming from a country where the media seems to believe that sexual acts are dirty and something to be ashamed of.

Go 'nessa :)
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: TRINIST on July 12, 2010, 01:31:35 pm
There's a certain mild androgyny in her appearance that I've always admired, and I've always found the unashamed sexual honesty in her songs (White Houses springs to mind) incredibly refreshing.

I love you.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Lyris on July 13, 2010, 08:51:40 am
Oh you :)

The funniest thing is, she actually "came out" in 2008, at 2 minutes 10 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlB3ZjmqR8w

It's here for you on video: "...relationships not approved of by your mother, or the government. In my case, it's always both. Who's to say?"

Ah well. It's a funny world. I can't wait for her next album.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Martin. on July 13, 2010, 10:59:50 am
^ I remember her saying that. It makes sense NOW, but before I was like 'what the hell is she talking about?!'. I just never got that vibe from Vanessa. At all.

Whether she's straight, gay, bi or whatever else - as long as she's happy, I'm fine with it (not that she needs my - or anyone elses - approval).
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: Lyris on July 13, 2010, 11:47:04 am
I guess you'd only really get close to figuring out what she was saying if you were that way yourself and had spent enough time thinking about it.
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: beatriz on July 13, 2010, 11:51:15 am
Yeah, I've been watching some "Who's To Say" performances and also noticed that (but only now I really understand it haha) I thought she only said that to show her support to gays.
There's also the lyrics change at the end: "stand up boy...or girl"
Title: Re: Vanessa announces she is a proud bisexual
Post by: sabasaba on October 12, 2010, 11:29:20 am
Oh you :)

The funniest thing is, she actually "came out" in 2008, at 2 minutes 10 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlB3ZjmqR8w

It's here for you on video: "...relationships not approved of by your mother, or the government. In my case, it's always both. Who's to say?"

I used to do this sort of thing all the time and I became increasingly amazed at how nobody understood what the hell I was saying. Interestingly, the reaction to someone blatantly saying "I'm bisexual" - the only way to make it clear - seems to sometimes get met with comments like "Oh well you don't have to tell us that!", or variations on that theme. We've seen some of them on gossip sites reporting Ms Carlton's news. Really, we don't have to tell you that? Apparently we do...

Ah well. It's a funny world. I can't wait for her next album.

Interesting - thanks for that! I agree with Martin. I had never really second-guessed her whenever she brought up the whole 'relationships not approved by the government or your mother' line - or thought about it, for that matter - but looking back now, it actually kind of makes sense.