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Other Topics => Other Musicians => Topic started by: Grakthis on April 21, 2003, 11:42:43 am
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Anyone who hasn't checked out their newest album, Sing for the Sorrow, is nuts! Its really really awesome.
they are kinda rock/emo depending on the lead singers mood at the time. Very rockin.
---Andrew
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i seen their C.D. in target, and wondered who they were...they were all black and white except this one that was red and black..I thought it was a sign for me to get that one, cuz it was standing out...but i didn't.
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Yeah, they did 2 covers. I think i got the black one. They are the same CD though. Good stuff.
---Andrew
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I think i got the black one.
they were both black.
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What songs do you recommend?
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Limey... were they black/white and black/red? or where they black/white red/white? I dont remember. when I buy a CD the first thing I do is rip all the tracks, take it out of the case and put it in a sleeve. I only listen to the actual CD in my car. I play only MP3's at home.
And Tricia... check out the following songs...
The Leaving Song Pt 2
Girl's not Grey
Bleed Black
This celluloid Dream
Those are my favorites off the newest CD.
---Andrew
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black/white and black/red.
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They're my favorite band... I love them to death
Twig
has liked
them even
before they
became all
big & famous
& shtuffs :D
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I dont know that I would call them big and famous.... hehehe. BUt they are getting more recognized outside of the indy sceene. Hey played crazy fest here about 2 years ago along with Saves the day. That was bitchin.
Ive decided I love the word bitchin. Im gonna use it more. BITCHIN!
---Andrew
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they're bigger than they were when they started out in the garage... :lol: I wrote an article about them in the school newspaper:
Four high school students making noise in a garage in the early 90's were looking for some way to alleviate boredom in a small town between skateboard sessions. As they learned to play their instruments with each practice, even they couldn't imagine what the band would become. With the release of their new album, "Sing The Sorrow," A.F.I (A Fire Inside) has finally outdone themselves. I've been following A.F.I for a long long time now, and they are needless to say, my favorite band. Even though they are constantly changing, they never cease to amaze me. "Sing The Sorrow" is A.F.I's first major record label release, with Dreamworks records. From the beginning, A.F.I has been signed on to Dexter Holland's (Offspring's lead singer) independent record label, Nitro Records. There is no doubt that changing record labels is a sign of A.F.I selling out. They feel that its a sign of A.F.I being all about the money, and not about the most important thing of all, the music. These pathetic ingrates couldn't be anymore wrong. What they need to realize is that a record label isn't what makes a band, their music is what defines them.
While "Sing the Sorrow" is different for A.F.I they are far from selling out. A.F.I's new sound is unlike any other I have ever heard, chilling melodies colliding with furious aggression, and ocer top of it all is singer, Davey Havoks, eerie wail. Tracks like, "Dancing Through Sunday," "Death of Seasons," and "...But Home is Nowhere," A.F.I shows their true aggression with thrashing guitars, pounding drums, and Havoks perfected scream. A.F.I's more melodic side comes throughin songs like, "The Leaving Song," "Girls Not Grey," and "This Celluloid Dream." A.F.I mixes the two styles masterfully and the sound created is unexplainably perfect.
For true A.F.I fans, this album may be different, but I guarantee that you will love this CD. For new listeners, you may not totally enjoy this album, but only because you don't fully understand it. Once again, A.F.I has created an impeccably superior album that will forever leave an impression on those that listen to it.
Thanks guys.
I didn't think I'd ever get done writing that... especially by my deadline... hehe
Twig
hopes you
liked it. :D
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hmmmm.... I disagree though. I dont think Sing is that different from their earlier stuff. its more refined. Cleaner. But not really different.
---Andrew
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i downloaded "girl not grey" and saw the video on mtv...not bad at all.
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Eh, yeah. AFI (http://www.afireinside.net/). They are hella rad. You might know them from "Girls Not Grey," "The Leaving Song Pt. II," or "Silver and Cold." They are incredible. From their earlier punk roots, to their more hardcore days, to their labeless ways of recent, they continue to astonish me with their amazing sound. The drumming Adam Carson provides is great (some of my favorites of his work can be heard in "Miseria Cantera" from Sing the Sorrow and "Malleus Maleficarum" from Black Sails in the Sunset). The bass Hunter plays is fantastic (Its cool to hear his bass parts throughout the songs, he does them so well). The guitar Jade Puget rocks is phenomenal ("Dancing Through Sunday" on Sing the Sorrow!). And, of course, Davey Havok's voice is simply beatiful for its wide range. He can be singing low, then hit a high note, or he can be singing so melodicly and all of a sudden be screaming with such passion in his voice. Its incredible.
Now, tell me that YOU like them.
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i downloaded "girl not grey" and saw the video on mtv...not bad at all.
Listen to more. GNG is decent, but thats not their best by far. Find things from Black Sails in the Sunset, check out the Total Immortal video, hear more songs from the album that aren't singles. You won't be disappointed.
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I saw them on the Hard Rock Cafe Live most requested. They were like #4. I couldn't figure out whether the lead singer was a boy or girl. :oops: He scared me. 8O
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I dig them but not enough to go out and buy an album or see a show. :)
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I dig them but not enough to go out and buy an album or see a show. :)
I saw a show. I want a refund. HA!
I actually went to the show for Evanescence but they ended up canceling. :evil:
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Silver and Cold is one of my favorites! I really like The Leaving Song Pt. 2!
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I saw them on the Hard Rock Cafe Live most requested. They were like #4. I couldn't figure out whether the lead singer was a boy or girl. :oops: He scared me. 8O
(http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v80/heartagram666/daveylive52.jpg) ALL male, baybe :wink:
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I dig them but not enough to go out and buy an album or see a show. :)
I saw a show. I want a refund. HA!
I actually went to the show for Evanescence but they ended up canceling. :evil:
You lucked out!
I'm just messing with ya :D
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why is long hair, make-up and tight clothes scare you? Are you afriad of females who share the same characteristics?
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I dig them but not enough to go out and buy an album or see a show. :)
I saw a show. I want a refund. HA!
I actually went to the show for Evanescence but they ended up canceling. :evil:
You lucked out!
I'm just messing with ya :D
Hehehe, I agree :P Never take for granted an AFI experience....I hear its amazing...I shall soon see first hand...W00T 3/13/04!!!
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why is long hair, make-up and tight clothes scare you? Are you afriad of females who share the same characteristics?
pWned.
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From AFireInside.net
03.05.04 - AFI FORCED TO CANCEL REMAINING TOUR DATES
AFI has been forced to cancel the remainder of its current tour for medical reasons. Singer Davey Havok has been advised by his doctor to start immediate voice rest or risk serious damage to his vocal chords.
AFI released the following statement: "We have never cancelled any shows and are deeply disappointed to have to cancel these shows. Unfortunately our only course of action is clear. We truly regret any inconvenience to our fans."
List of shows cancelled are:
March 5 (Kelsey Club, Lake Park,FL.)
March 6 (Pompano Beach Amphitheatre, Pompano Beach FL)
March 8 & 9 (House of Blues, Orlando FL)
March 12 (Verizon Theater, Houston, TX.)
March 13 (Sunset Station, San Antonio, TX.)
March 14 (Plano Centre, Dallas, TX.)
March 16 Remington's (Springfield, MO.)
March 17 Memorial Hall (Kansas City KS.)
and March 19 (Filmore Auditorium, Denver, CO.)
From CoheedandCambria.com
AFI cancels rest of tour
05 Mar 2004 by Admin
Hey everyone, we're very sorry to hear that Davey Havoc developed a cyst on his vocal chords, and that AFI has to cancel the rest of this tour.
Our hearts are with him and wish him a speedy recovery.
We will Honor 2 shows with Thursday now headlining.
March 6 (Sat) - Ft Lauderdale - Culture Room
March 9 (tues) - Orlando - House of Blues
We will do the dates around SXSW in Austin, March 19 and 20. All other March dates have been cancelled, including Oklahoma City.
We're very sorry to our fans who have purchased tickets to any of the cancelled shows, we will give refund information ASAP.
:cry: I'm so sad....Davey is the most incredible singer and now this! Its just so sad....Not to mention I was going to see them in a week. But thats not important. Oh, god, I hope he's alright, he just HAS to get better, he HAS to. I heard somewhere this is what happened to Julie Andrews. What if he can't sing the same again? What if he can't sing in the voice that captured millions of people and saved many? Thats just so terrible...But, no. He will be fine. I'm sure he is seeing the best of doctors. He HAS to get better. If he doesn't, I will question the existence of God even more. Fuck, why do bad things happen to such good people? Even more importantly, why is it DAVEY had to get a cyst? Why not Justin Timberlake?
Oh wait, I know this one...BECAUSE HE WILL NEVER FUCKING SING. DAVEY USES HIS VOICE TO THE EXTREME AND SINGS WITH ALL OF HIS HEART, SOMETHING JUSTIN FUCKING TIMBERLAKE WOULD NEVER UNDERSTAND.[/quote]
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I dig them but not enough to go out and buy an album or see a show. :)
I saw a show. I want a refund. HA!
I actually went to the show for Evanescence but they ended up canceling. :evil:
Musically, you are one of the top 5 most closed minded people I know. Anything that comes across as weird or different you immediatly declare as crap.
Sometimes there is value to recognizing the inrinsic value of a given band or song even if the music isn't your style. And sometimes, just sometimes, you might surprise yourself and like a band or song you didn't think was your style.
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I dig them but not enough to go out and buy an album or see a show. :)
I saw a show. I want a refund. HA!
I actually went to the show for Evanescence but they ended up canceling. :evil:
Musically, you are one of the top 5 most closed minded people I know. Anything that comes across as weird or different you immediatly declare as crap.
Sometimes there is value to recognizing the inrinsic value of a given band or song even if the music isn't your style. And sometimes, just sometimes, you might surprise yourself and like a band or song you didn't think was your style.
Word.
And what did your precious Evanescance cancel over? Because AFI NEVER cancels till now. And you know why? Because Davey sings his beautiful heart out, pushing his voice to all of its limits. Why did YOUR band cancel?
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And what did your precious Evanescance cancel over? Because AFI NEVER cancels till now. And you know why? Because Davey sings his beautiful heart out, pushing his voice to all of its limits. Why did YOUR band cancel?
Evanescence canceled because after their European tour Ben got REALLY sick and was in a Las Vegas hospitol for a few days.
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And what did your precious Evanescance cancel over? Because AFI NEVER cancels till now. And you know why? Because Davey sings his beautiful heart out, pushing his voice to all of its limits. Why did YOUR band cancel?
Evanescence canceled because after their European tour Ben got REALLY sick and was in a Las Vegas hospitol for a few days.
Okay then.
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I love afi. There new cd is great. I was going to see them last month but the show was canceled the day before i was to see them. I was crushed, but i still love them. Check out my davey havok icon. That man can sing, but damn he looks like a women. :lol:
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Silver and Cold is awesommmme. 'Cept not really THAT good, I love the ending:
"My beautiful one!"
Davey's a lesbian ;)
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I saw them on the Hard Rock Cafe Live most requested. They were like #4. I couldn't figure out whether the lead singer was a boy or girl. :oops: He scared me. 8O
Oh my God, Davey Havok is SO hot, in that odd, Johnny Depp/David Bowie way. Hot, regardless.
Secondly, The Leaving Song Part II caught my attention, but I didn't pay any because they were my brother's type of band, but Silver and Cold is SO FUCKING GOOD. You guys don't even know. I got Sing the Sorrow (along with Ben Jelen's Give It All Away, different? lol) a couple days ago. It's okay; it's not really like WOW. I mean, when I heard Full Collapse all the way through, I swear to Bonjangles that I said WOW outloud (and who does that?), but I didn't with Sing the Sorrow.
And like I say, AFI is the demented, uneducated (in other words West-Coast :P) version of Thursday. I'm not kidding, either.
Please excuse my comparison.
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I saw them on the Hard Rock Cafe Live most requested. They were like #4. I couldn't figure out whether the lead singer was a boy or girl. :oops: He scared me. 8O
Oh my God, Davey Havok is SO hot, in that odd, Johnny Depp/David Bowie way. Hot, regardless.
Secondly, The Leaving Song Part II caught my attention, but I didn't pay any because they were my brother's type of band, but Silver and Cold is SO FUCKING GOOD. You guys don't even know. I got Sing the Sorrow (along with Ben Jelen's Give It All Away, different? lol) a couple days ago. It's okay; it's not really like WOW. I mean, when I heard Full Collapse all the way through, I swear to Bonjangles that I said WOW outloud (and who does that?), but I didn't with Sing the Sorrow.
And like I say, AFI is the demented, uneducated (in other words West-Coast :P) version of Thursday. I'm not kidding, either.
Please excuse my comparison.
Wait, what does that mean demented and uneducated? What does being West-Coast have to do with it?
Thursday is different from AFI. Thursday constantly sings about Love and emoness and AFI sings about though provoking and dark topics. How that makes them uneducated, I don't know, they use a far more extensive vocabulary than Thursday, for one thing. Sing the Sorrow is only their LATEST album. If you think its undereducated, try Black Sails in the Sunset or listen to the words of the poem in "...But Home is Nowhere" and the song "This Time Imperfect" again. If that ain't thought provoking and educated, I'm not sure what is. Besides, Davey was a fucking English major before he decided music was his passon.
Eh, I should calm down ^^;; I just get very defensive over this band, hahah.
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I saw them on the Hard Rock Cafe Live most requested. They were like #4. I couldn't figure out whether the lead singer was a boy or girl. :oops: He scared me. 8O
Oh my God, Davey Havok is SO hot, in that odd, Johnny Depp/David Bowie way. Hot, regardless.
Secondly, The Leaving Song Part II caught my attention, but I didn't pay any because they were my brother's type of band, but Silver and Cold is SO FUCKING GOOD. You guys don't even know. I got Sing the Sorrow (along with Ben Jelen's Give It All Away, different? lol) a couple days ago. It's okay; it's not really like WOW. I mean, when I heard Full Collapse all the way through, I swear to Bonjangles that I said WOW outloud (and who does that?), but I didn't with Sing the Sorrow.
And like I say, AFI is the demented, uneducated (in other words West-Coast :P) version of Thursday. I'm not kidding, either.
Please excuse my comparison.
Wait, what does that mean demented and uneducated? What does being West-Coast have to do with it?
Thursday is different from AFI. Thursday constantly sings about Love and emoness and AFI sings about though provoking and dark topics. How that makes them uneducated, I don't know, they use a far more extensive vocabulary than Thursday, for one thing. Sing the Sorrow is only their LATEST album. If you think its undereducated, try Black Sails in the Sunset or listen to the words of the poem in "...But Home is Nowhere" and the song "This Time Imperfect" again. If that ain't thought provoking and educated, I'm not sure what is. Besides, Davey was a fucking English major before he decided music was his passon.
Eh, I should calm down ^^;; I just get very defensive over this band, hahah.
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Well, first of all. I think she is getting the "uneducated" part of the comparison from the fact that Thursday spends a lot of time talking about politics and world news etc. To somepeople "topical" = "educated".
Second of all, I think you are both out of your mind if you think EITHER band has a particularly extensive vocabularly. No more so than any other band out there. So stop that.
Third of all, AFI is just as full of love songs and "emoness" (as you put it) as Thursday.
And finally, they sound nothing alike, so stop comparing them.
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(http://www.metacritic.com/media/music/artists/afi/decemberunderground/picture.jpg)
...Is a beautiful album that half the world seems to be ignoring!
Go for it :) Itunes knows what's up (I believe it's held top spot for the past few days), but I feel they are still underexposed.
Best songs of the album:
Summer Shudder
The Interview
Love Like Winter
Affliction
The Missing Frame
37mm
Yes....It is really incredible, and I highly reccomend it. AFI always outdo themselves, and really took their sound in a beautiful and innovative direction. The transition from punk/hardcore to a sound they are the sole owners of was, like the addition of more synth elements and experimentation with new tempos, clear, yet seamlessly incorporated throughout the past few years, and is especially evident in this album. Gorgeous.
I most especially would like to point out Summer Shudder to the Nessa fans because of its wonderful little pure synth/string and vocal breakdown near the end. It has the feel of one of her songs, I think, and I know ya'll would enjoy it.
And before you say it, even with those huge eyelashes, Davey is incredibly fabulous :P The boys all look very fine with this new light and monochromatic aesthetic, shifting from black to white. Fall to Winter.
Now, go forth and flee to Decemberunderground!
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No one?
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I really don't like AFI at all. Their lyrics are childish, stupid, and random:
"Hey Miss Murder can I
make beauty stay if I
take my life?"
Hey, Miss Murder, can you explain to me what the hell suicide and beauty have to do with each other?
When they first started making their overly-prolific music, they were OK, but I think their recent badness is partially due to their record label and partially due to not being great writers in the first place.
The transition from punk/hardcore to a sound they are the sole owners of was, like the addition of more synth elements and experimentation with new tempos, clear, yet seamlessly incorporated throughout the past few years, and is especially evident in this album.
As far as I'm concerned, they are there are as many people who sound like AFI as people who have a General Electric stock.
It's lovely that AFI talk about dark topics (may I point out that almost all punk/rock bands do) but it would also be lovely if they wrote about something else. What's wrong with love and happiness?
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"Love Like Winter" is happy :\
Warn you warmth to turn away.
Here it's December everyday.
Press your lips to the sculptures
And, surely you'll stay.
For of sugar and ice
*clap clap clap*
I am made!
It's in the blood
Its in the blood
I met my love
Before I was born.
He/She wanted love.
I taste of blood.
He/She bit my lip
And drank my war
From years before
She exhales vanilla lace.
I barely dreamt her
Yesterday
Read the lines on the mirror
Through the lipstick trace
(Por Siempre)
She said "It seems you're somewhere
Far away"
To his face
*chorus*
While that may be melancholy, the melody is beautiful and happy. Sure, its the first since maybe "Days of the Phoenix," but I would like to point out some of the more mature lyrics written. I agree that the lyrics to "Miss Murder" may not seem his best, but they really are thought provoking when one disects the whole of them.
Many have deduced that Miss Murder can be about a fallen idol, or a person of vanity who wants his beauty to be remembered forever ("Make beauty stay if I take my life?"). Miss Murder is the personification of Death, and in this case suicide. Its not really sad, more vain. Havok as noted that in this album, not every song is sung from his perspective, so that must also be considered.
Another song from this era to be noted of with far better lyrics can be found in "The Missing Frame." What I love about this song is how the term "Death" seems to be a play on words. Rather than meaning literal death, I think it is a double entondre for an orgasm. I can't really think of another context where the "little deaths" mentioned can be.
One at a time I watched them all forget.
One at a time I'm lost in little deaths.
It's the place that I, I forget my life, like tonight.
I'll let you tear it up
if you don't wake me up.
But if you tear it
we can't repair it
so please don't wake me
till someone cares.
Now no one cares.
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More cleverness is the allusions to previous albums. Musically, they haunted "Fall Children" from All Hallows EP into "Miss Murder," but lyrically they link to albums in "The Interview"
Forever waiting for disaster.
What David calls servant and master,
will you play it too?
As this displacement begs for water,
swimming, bathing,
[the art of]drowning in [sing the] sorrow....
Calm down.
Come down, cold resides with me.
I flee to, I flee to decemberunderground. As you exhale
I breathe in and sink into the waterunderground
and I'll grow pale without you.
Just some insteresting stuff....Previous lyrics are ALSO alluded to (reminds me of the links between Bowie's "Space Oddity" and "Ashes to Ashes") in "37mm". Allusions to "Morning Star," "Silver and Cold," and "Miseria Cantera."
If you believe in me, how can I be dissolving?
If you'd believe me, I’d tell you everything.
Do you fall too? (Every time that I)
Yes, I fall. (Every time that I)
Do you want to (try to pacify)
fall into me? (fall into me, fall into me)
Into me
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If you keep killing me, how can I keep absolving?
Your sins into me, begin the poisoning.
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Weare no one. We are no one.
As far as childish lyrics...I can't see how if one actually takes the time to stop and listen to them. At least "Miss Murder" is not only the story of a falling idol, but the story of an idol's betrayal. "He left them all behind." Hardly random, now, if you think about it? An idol so desperate to engrave his name in history, nothing would hold him back, not even "his children".
And if you want to debate with me about how all the lyrics are about death and all, I do not feel that albums prior have been completely delved in this subject, but I will allow you to say this one is. However, Death is presented throughout the album with different connotations and used as different forms of allegory, or other phrases are used to explain literal deaths. Example for something other than an orgasm can be found in "The Killing Lights"
It's killing time again
Put on your face
And let's pretend
These killing lights
Won't kill us all
again
These lyrics are rather uncharacteristic for Davey's usual style, but I believe this is one of the songs sung from a different perspective. When they say "Kill" here, I do believe it is more of a "Let's knock 'em dead" sort of thing, you know, before a show. Not exactly to go out and murder people. It even somewhat reminds me of paparazzi or something, those "killing LIGHTS".
"Prelude 12/21" is a lovely way to represent death without even saying the words. It is a short anthem from one who's been betrayed (It vaguely reminds me of the whole "What I gave is yours to keep" from "White Houses" and leads me to think of virginity heh)
This is what I brought you, this you can keep
This is what I brought, you may forget me
I promise to depart, just promise one thing
Kiss my eyes and lay me to sleep
This is what I brought you, this you can keep
This is what I brought, you may forget me
I promise you my heart, just promise to sing
Kiss my eyes and lay me to sleep
Kiss my eyes and lay me to sleep
This is what I thought, I thought you'd need me
This is what I thought, so think me naive
I'd promise you a heart, you'd promise to keep
Kiss my eyes and lay me to sleep
Kiss my eyes and lay me to sleep
Kiss my eyes and lay me to... sleep.
The often repeated line begs in desperation for one last kiss before being left, even though they found out about the other's betrayal.
Now, please point out to me why it is all childish and random? There is so much more to the surface and face value of a lyric. Havok, an English major before dropping out to do the band full time, is clever enough to create lyrics that contain many layers and possible meanings always open to interpretation. He is far from ignorant enough to just mash random words together.
And as far as their PRIOR stuff being childish and meaningles, I ask you to say that of the following:
"Death of Seasons"
Of late, it's harder just to go outside
To leave this deadspace with hatred, so alive
Writhing with sickness, thrown into banality, I decay
Killed by the weakness, but forced to return, turn it off
I watch the stars as they fall from the sky
I held a fallen star and it wept for me, dying
I feel the fallen stars encircle me now, as they cry
Out there so quickly grows malignant tribes
Posthuman extinction excels unrecognized
Feeling surrounded, so bored with mortality, I decay
All of this hatred is fucking real, turn it on... yeah
It won't be all right despite what they say
Just watch the stars tonight as they, as they disappear, disintegrate
And I disintegrate 'cause this hate is fucking real
And I hope to shade the world as stars go out and I disintegrate
"Smile"
Overwhelmed with a deep repulsion for sights seen so commonly,
now I have come to be the walking enmity.
Assimilate into a culture of post morality, from what I've seen, I hate humanity.
Rot with repulsion. I'll write the world a brand new song.
Look upon your bleak creation,
but is it truly me that's to be the human blasphemy?
I'll set the world on fire and,
in burning light I'll write my first love song and I will feel warmth.
Hide your eyes in heaven, in the lies.
Believe. Relieve. I'll end the world tonight.
Overwhelmed with a deep repulsion for sights seen so commonly,
now I have come
to be a walking enmity, for humanity,
the human blasphemy,
I'll end the world tonight.
"Totalimortal"
Hope unknown. Sometimes just waking is surreal.
I walk right through the nameless ones.
I know that hope's unknown.
Sometimes the water feels so real.
As I walk through it fills my lungs, my god, I'm drowning.
This day never seems to end.
This pain, never.
The rage I can not let go.
I hear them calling my name.
I feel them gnawing out holes through flawless souls.
So alone. Sometimes I swear that I can hear the taunting of the voiceless ones.
I fear that I alone fear those who finally ceased to feel that they're alone
inside this place.
I am the misplaced.
Now every face, it looks familiar...
then every face would melt away until...
now everyone, do you know, I know your deception?
Even with "The Last Kiss"
Hung in your room, swaying, hoping only that you'll see.
All by myself, I'm alone in such poor company.
The deeper I think, the deeper I seem to sink,
I can't stop the insects that are feeding,
pull the needles from beneath my skin.
I broke myself, shattered, tied a bow around every piece.
You'll love the eyes.
Have they always shown so vacantly?
The more I show the less you'll want to know.
I can't stop the insects that are feeding,
pull the needles from beneath my skin.
Now I'm on display.
I am becoming.
Hurt myself today.
It's all for you.
Do you like, do you like, what I'm becoming?
Cut myself today.
It's all for you.
I part the night, flashing, approaching as I watch you flee.
Pushed through your panes.
Seems I've landed quite uncomfortably.
But as I pass through souls of broken glass
I can't stop the insects that are feeding.
Pull the needles from beneath my skin.
Please don't ask me just what I think, trust me,
you don't want to know.
Please don't ask me to open up, trust me, trust me,
'cause I can't.
But I think a bit of my favorite clever lyrics are found in "...But Home is Nowhere"
Twenty-six years and seems like I've just begun
To understand my, my intimate is no one
When the director sold the show, who bought its last rites?
They cut the cast, the music, and the lights
This is my line, this is eternal
How did I ever end up here?
Discarnate, preternatural
My prayers to disappear
Absent of grace, marked as infernal
Ungranted in dead time left me disowned
To this nature, so unnatural
I remain alone
Twenty-six years end, still speaking in these tongues
Such revelations while understood by no one
When the new actor stole the show, who questioned his grace?
Please clear the house of ill-aquired taste
Give me something, give me something real
I lay strewn across the floor, can't solve this puzzle
Everyday another small piece can't be found
I lay strewn across the floor, pieced up in sorrow
The pieces are lost, these pieces don't fit
Pieced together incomplete and empty
Or the lovely irony created for the comp Short Music for Short People, "earts Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair And Hopelessness""
Whoa!
I will die screaming
whoa!
Scream my last breath in useless anguish
Tear the sun from the sky
Heh, I don't know about great lyrics, but it is great irony.
Perhaps I'm getting carried away, but I think you should realize that your opinions seem very shallow and uneducated for you didn't seem to actually read in between the lines with your criticism, and I felt I had to defend the people I feel are great geniuses ^_^
Plus, would a group of idiots realy think of something as elaborate as this? (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1527079/03272006/afi.jhtml)(which is actually a bit more in depth than that report gives credit for).
AFI are far from fools. Not only that, but they are genuine down to earth nice guys who have grown so much in their time and continue to evolve elegantly at a graceful pace. How I love them ^_^ Maybe you will you're open your eyes, too.
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Not meant to sound egotistic:
I consider myself one of the most openminded out of most of the people I've met. What I think is the most annoying about Miss Murder, though, is the whole "Miss Murder" thing. Why Miss Murder?! It just sounds really poser-goth-ish.
I don't think that the lyrics are all about death, I'm not that closed-minded, but much of them are.
Let me state again: I do not think that it is *all* about death. By random I think I went a bit far, so can I take that back? Let's say that a lot of their songs sound like they were trying to make them rhyme, which resulted in the lyrics sounding a bit random. I really don't like "Death of Seasons", not because I think it's bad, I just don't like that many adjectives in one poem. I do not think that AFI is a bunch of fools. I still hold my opinion that decemberunderground is not that great of an album (and I have heard the whole thing). I think that their newer music is a lot worse than their older music, which I actually did like. I respect your opinions, and these are mine. I do not think that they're shallow; they may be rushed, because to me there are a lot of bands that seem like this - childish lyrics, etc - , and AFI, just looking at them, to me would seem that sort of band. I do agree that several of my opinions are shallow but I also think that still, looking at their lyrics, I didn't see very many that were blatantly happy or about love, leaving the death and sadness part out. Even in the songs that they did talk about love, the song altogether usually had something to do with the darker side of life. I have no problem with the quality, but with the quantity; there is just so much music that is shallow and boring and not unique today that AFI sort of portrayed that. I agree that many of their songs mean something more, but I still don't like them that much and probably never will. I still think that there are many more bands worthy of my attention. Part of the lyric thing came from the fact that I write lyrics, and I'm either awed by them or really annoyed by them (mostly because that's how my writing is, and I just sort of think of everyone else's as 2 extremes). I still don't like their music, but I respect your opinion, but that does not mean that I will not continue to believe mine.
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Well, as a fellow lyricists/songwriter, I just had to jump in there and refute :P
I understand your opinion, I'm just trying to help you realize why they would use Miss Murder. Unlike what most bands would portray death with (in a very literal "I'm going to kill myself" sort of way), Havok decides to personify this action into a character. Not unlike other great songwriters have done before (I can't think of one specific one now, but I'm damn sure emotions have been personafied before.), he takes an abstract feeling or action and creates a character that the protagonist has a dialogue with. Peraps it seems simple at first, but I would like you to take a second look at it, because you say you are so open minded and I want you to try an see it from a fan's perspective.
Hey Miss Murder, can I
Hey Miss Murder, can I
Make beauty stay if I
take my life?
With just a look they shook
And heavens bowed before him.
Simply a look can break your heart.
The stars that pierce the sky;
He left them all behind.
We're left to wonder why
He left us all behind.
Dreams of his crash won’t pass
Oh, how they all adored him.
Beauty will last when spiraled down.
The stars that mystify
He left them all behind.
And how his children cry
He left us all behind.
What's the hook, the twist
within this verbose mystery?
I would gladly bet my life upon it.
That the ghost you love, your ray of light
Will fizzle out without hope.
We're the empty set just floating wrapped in skin,
Ever searching for what we were promised.
Reaching for the golden ring we'd never let go,
Who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it?
Some people have said it could be about Jesus, but I don't agree with that, yet other strange Christ related themes occur in other songs off DU, too :P I'm no Christian, just love to throw out theories.
So yeah. I respect your opinion, as well, but with your first post I just got offended because to me AFI are so much more than what you were saying, so I wanted to defend them ^^;; I'm open for healthy debate, though, and as long as we respect each other, this won't get too ugly :P
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I've had enough experience with debating to know when it goes too far. =)
Yes, I realize why they were using "Miss Murder" now, but to somebody who really doesn't care or to somebody who really hasn't taken the time to look, it would seem like they were trying to be goth, like various other bands that I won't mention. Sort of about first impressions. I'm impressed that AFI would go into such detail to make their writing have all of those hidden meanings (most music now is meaningless) but first impressions can't be ignored either.
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i like their song called miss murder
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i'm thinking about buying DECEMBERUNDERGROUND
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I have their "The Art of Drowning" and "Sing The Sorrow" CDs.
I like Sing the Sorrow a lot better.
my favorite song by them is 'Girls Not Grey'
they're pretty good.
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DU is totally worth it, kids. Go forth and purchase/download/pirate :)