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Other Topics => Polls => Topic started by: Laura on July 21, 2003, 07:36:52 pm
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I'm surprised nobody has made a poll about this, or has even mentioned this on here.
I personally think he's lying his ass off. He's guilty, and everyone knows it to, they just don't wanna admit it. I mean, the media keeps mentioning that she tried out for American Idol and didn't make it-her wanting fame and all made her do this, but if she really wanted to be in the spotlight don't ya think she would be all over the news and not hiding away, and asking for lots of money? I mean come on people...she doesn't wan't any money, she doesn't wanna be on camera-so obviously she didn't do this for "Fame" or whatever. I sware the media is so stupid, UGH
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what is the story?
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Yup.
Girl wants sex with Kobe.
Girl wants money.
Girl gets both.
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I absolutly believe him.
As was said above my post:
The girl wanted to have sex with him.
The girl gets on the news everywhere.
If they start a law-suit then she gets more money.
And just as her friends said, she was looking to become well known. She sings or something, how better to get into the news than acuse one of the biggest NBA stars of doing something that was completly not of his nature!?!?!
[Daniel]
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two identical polls
skurry
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I didn't follow the Kobe story really
So, I dunno.
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Well for those of you who don't know about.
I got your back (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030720/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bkn_bryant_s_future_12)
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Hello people...she doesn't wan't any money, just justice-did you not read what I wrote? Geezus...
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Hello PEOPLE(Laura!)
She is getting on the news every second of the day...It was a smart move for her, but it was still wrong. And Kobe was still wrong for cheating on his wife. But no one is perfect, we all know that.
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Umm, no she's not...her pictures blured out here, I dunno about where you are but all the news channels here have blured out her pictures, and she's not the one putting them on there is she? No she isn't...
She doesn't wan't any money either...
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I personally think he's lying his ass off. He's guilty, and everyone knows it to, they just don't wanna admit it. I mean, the media keeps mentioning that she tried out for American Idol and didn't make it-her wanting fame and all made her do this, but if she really wanted to be in the spotlight don't ya think she would be all over the news and not hiding away, and asking for lots of money? I mean come on people...she doesn't wan't any money, she doesn't wanna be on camera-so obviously she didn't do this for "Fame" or whatever. I sware the media is so stupid, UGH
Who is stupid?!?
There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that he is guilty EXCEPT for HER WORD. ALL of the evidence just indicates that they had sex. Last time I checked, adultery wasn't a crime.
Since we have ESTABLISHED that she has DEPRESSION issues because she was on medication AND OD'd on it a month before (yes, her FRIENDS even said they thought she was trying to commit suicide!), we know shes unstable. Kobe has never been anything OTHER than a perfect gentlemen according to EVERY report.
The fact that YOU and people LIKE YOU immediatly condemn him when there is NO reason to believe this girl OVER him and there are SEVERAL reasons to believe him over HER is just an example of the sort of rampant ignorance that plagues this country.
If you don't have a valid opinion, DON'T SPEAK.
---Andrew
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Umm, no she's not...her pictures blured out here, I dunno about where you are but all the news channels here have blured out her pictures, and she's not the one putting them on there is she? No she isn't...
She doesn't wan't any money either...
You are right about her not wanting her face on TV. She hasn't been on TV. She hasn't shown her face. They haven't even ID'd her. The media can't show her, she is protected by rape laws which say rape victims are protected.
Either way, her not wanting to show her face is SMART. Regardless of her guilt. No one wants to deal with that kinda media. She doesn't want to be famous, she wants to be RICH.
You don't think shes already planning a civil suit? If you don't think she is, then you are NAIVE to the FULLEST. Even if this case gets dismissed, shes still gonna take him to civil court and try and make him fork over the dough.
---Andrew
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She doesn't want to be famous, she wants to be RICH.
You don't think shes already planning a civil suit? If you don't think she is, then you are NAIVE to the FULLEST. Even if this case gets dismissed, shes still gonna take him to civil court and try and make him fork over the dough.
---Andrew
She said she doesn't wan't any money, only justice.
How many times do I have to say that?
Anyways, i'm just stating my opinion, if someone tells me my opinion is ignorant, than they are ignorant to. I don't wanna start up anything here, but whatever. I know I created this thread, but i'm done here. And i'm still keeping my opinion, I believe the girl.
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I just think it's funny that since it's such a big star it's such a big deal. It's like if it was a normal person no one would care they would say ohh thats too bad and that would be that. It's sad that people feel they need to get famous by saying "ohhh this person did this to me it's wrong....I want money". I was talking to my aunt the other day about where everyones pride went because I'm reading this book about the early 1900's and people were very proud and didn't make such a big deal over things. Like rape, in the book a little girl was raped and then killed. The family was upset and when he tried to do it to the main character they shot him and didn't want to make a big deal out of it. The doctor told her mother to tell her that it was a dream. So nothing else came of it. They went to court once. Now a days if that happened it would be I WANT MY MONEY! SO AND SO HURT ME! MONEY WILL MAKE IT BETTER. Sorry money doesn't make things better unless YOU are low enough to make it better. It's just sad that everyone is so sue happy. Kinda like Bill Clinton....why did people want to impeach him? Because he cheated on Hillary and he got caught. Why did Monica Lewinsky make such a big deal? Because she wanted to be famous. It seems like we don't have a non currup person living in this world anymore and it's simply gross. If she didn't want to make such a big deal over what happened she would have settled it in a private name protecting her name from the press. I believe that is legal. But it's sad that the only way she is going to be a singer now is because of Kobe. Where has everyones pride gone? I hope g-d looks down at her and makes it so she sells not 1 album and makes her living hell.
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She said she doesn't wan't any money, only justice.
How many times do I have to say that?
Bullshit. I've read a million articles on this case and I have YET TO SEE A SINGLE QUOTE FROM THE GIRL. She has never commented on the case, never made a statement, never been quoted by anyone EXCEPT her friends who have made statements they attribute to her. Which is second hand info at best because it can't be verified.
One of her FRIENDS said "She's not doing this for the attention or the money", but SHE never said a WORD to the media. So your attempt at a quote is WRONG.
So right there, you just killed your credibility in this discussion.
Anyways, i'm just stating my opinion, if someone tells me my opinion is ignorant, than they are ignorant to. I don't wanna start up anything here, but whatever. I know I created this thread, but i'm done here. And i'm still keeping my opinion, I believe the girl.
*sigh*. If you were just stating your opinion, I wouldn't be all up in your face. You are entitled to say "I believe the girl". But that's not what you said. You said "He's guilty, and everyone knows it to, they just don't wanna admit it." THEN YOU TRY AND BLAME IT ON THE MEDIA!!!!
We can all understand that maybe you feel sorry for the girl, or maybe you don't like Kobe, or maybe your gut just tells you that you like her story better. Whatever, that's fine.
but DON'T suppose that you KNOW anything. Because you don't. Until there is REAL evidence against Kobe it is ARROGANT to try and presume you have some insight into this story. Because you don't.
And your temper tantrum response of "if someone tells me my opinion is ignorant, than they are ignorant to" just proves my point about you. You're not educated or mature enough to speak intelligently about the topic, so DON'T SPEAK.
---Andrew
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She said she doesn't wan't any money, only justice.
How many times do I have to say that?
Bullshit. I've read a million articles on this case and I have YET TO SEE A SINGLE QUOTE FROM THE GIRL. She has never commented on the case, never made a statement, never been quoted by anyone EXCEPT her friends who have made statements they attribute to her. Which is second hand info at best because it can't be verified.
One of her FRIENDS said "She's not doing this for the attention or the money", but SHE never said a WORD to the media. So your attempt at a quote is WRONG.
So right there, you just killed your credibility in this discussion.
Anyways, i'm just stating my opinion, if someone tells me my opinion is ignorant, than they are ignorant to. I don't wanna start up anything here, but whatever. I know I created this thread, but i'm done here. And i'm still keeping my opinion, I believe the girl.
*sigh*. If you were just stating your opinion, I wouldn't be all up in your face. You are entitled to say "I believe the girl". But that's not what you said. You said "He's guilty, and everyone knows it to, they just don't wanna admit it." THEN YOU TRY AND BLAME IT ON THE MEDIA!!!!
We can all understand that maybe you feel sorry for the girl, or maybe you don't like Kobe, or maybe your gut just tells you that you like her story better. Whatever, that's fine.
but DON'T suppose that you KNOW anything. Because you don't. Until there is REAL evidence against Kobe it is ARROGANT to try and presume you have some insight into this story. Because you don't.
And your temper tantrum response of "if someone tells me my opinion is ignorant, than they are ignorant to" just proves my point about you. You're not educated or mature enough to speak intelligently about the topic, so DON'T SPEAK.
---Andrew
Wow you should learn to NOT SPEAK due to the fact that when you do nothing ever nice comes out of your mouth/typing.
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oops
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oops part 2.
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Wow you should learn to NOT SPEAK due to the fact that when you do nothing ever nice comes out of your mouth/typing.
...And the 14 year old chimes in with her opinion.... I'm not sure if I should respond, or just laugh.
Being RIGHT and being NICE are sometimes at Odds. And being right is usually more important to me.
Or do you think that people should be allowed to tell lies, mistruths, make slanderous statements and attack the credibility of others without being disputed, because, god forbid you say anything MEAN about them?
...why am I bothering? If you were the kind of person who would grasp these concepts then you wouldn't have thrown your hat in with such a silly statement anyways.
---Andrew
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Wow you should learn to NOT SPEAK due to the fact that when you do nothing ever nice comes out of your mouth/typing.
...And the 14 year old chimes in with her opinion.... I'm not sure if I should respond, or just laugh.
Being RIGHT and being NICE are sometimes at Odds. And being right is usually more important to me.
Or do you think that people should be allowed to tell lies, mistruths, make slanderous statements and attack the credibility of others without being disputed, because, god forbid you say anything MEAN about them?
...why am I bothering? If you were the kind of person who would grasp these concepts then you wouldn't have thrown your hat in with such a silly statement anyways.
---Andrew
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You would be shocked at the concepts that I know. And sometimes being right isn't everything. Did someone forget to tell you that in your life? I think so. Being nice far greater then being right. I learned this thing when I was younger .........If you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all. You might have been right but it was the way you said it that made you said it. I don't think you'll remember this because you're 23 and you think you have everything figured out. You made Laura feel like crap probably. No one ever taught you about other peoples feelings and how girls are more sensitive than boys. Thats right...you havent learned.....you didn't listen. Sure I'm 14 years old and I might not know as much knowledge as you but I know that being nice is far greater then being right. Maybe you should grasp that concept.
Bottom line...you could have been right with being nice at the same time. It's not hard. But again....you think you know it all. It's not worth anymore time to me.
Bye!
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Throw his ass in Jail...what a Bastard
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You would be shocked at the concepts that I know. And sometimes being right isn't everything. Did someone forget to tell you that in your life? I think so. Being nice far greater then being right. I learned this thing when I was younger .........If you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all. You might have been right but it was the way you said it that made you said it. I don't think you'll remember this because you're 23 and you think you have everything figured out. You made Laura feel like crap probably. No one ever taught you about other peoples feelings and how girls are more sensitive than boys. Thats right...you havent learned.....you didn't listen. Sure I'm 14 years old and I might not know as much knowledge as you but I know that being nice is far greater then being right. Maybe you should grasp that concept.
Bottom line...you could have been right with being nice at the same time. It's not hard. But again....you think you know it all. It's not worth anymore time to me.
I'm not gonna have a debate with a 14 year old. You have no intelligent insight into the conversation, as evidenced by your belief in the phrase "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". I'm sure Hitler would have appreciated this sentiment; thankfully the allies were willing to ignore your adivce, and had a few "mean" things to say to him. You're in that "i know it all" phase that you will someday grow out of. So consider yourself lucky that I'm gonna ignore this post and move on.
BTW, if I were you, I'd go back and reread then edit your paragrah... because frankly, it's almost unreadable.
---Andrew
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Throw his ass in Jail...what a Bastard
Whatever happened to the concept of innocent until proven guilty? Is the burden of proof on the defense now?
---Andrew
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You would be shocked at the concepts that I know. And sometimes being right isn't everything. Did someone forget to tell you that in your life? I think so. Being nice far greater then being right. I learned this thing when I was younger .........If you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all. You might have been right but it was the way you said it that made you said it. I don't think you'll remember this because you're 23 and you think you have everything figured out. You made Laura feel like crap probably. No one ever taught you about other peoples feelings and how girls are more sensitive than boys. Thats right...you havent learned.....you didn't listen. Sure I'm 14 years old and I might not know as much knowledge as you but I know that being nice is far greater then being right. Maybe you should grasp that concept.
Bottom line...you could have been right with being nice at the same time. It's not hard. But again....you think you know it all. It's not worth anymore time to me.
I'm not gonna have a debate with a 14 year old. You have no intelligent insight into the conversation, as evidenced by your belief in the phrase "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". I'm sure Hitler would have appreciated this sentiment; thankfully the allies were willing to ignore your adivce, and had a few "mean" things to say to him. You're in that "i know it all" phase that you will someday grow out of. So consider yourself lucky that I'm gonna ignore this post and move on.
BTW, if I were you, I'd go back and reread then edit your paragrah... because frankly, it's almost unreadable.
---Andrew
You're not going to have a debate with a 14 year old because you know I'm right. Ohh did I hit a nerve yet?
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You're not going to have a debate with a 14 year old because you know I'm right. Ohh did I hit a nerve yet?
Point proven. Thank you!
---Andrew
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WOW!
I must say Andrew has a good arguement! However I really don't feel the need for you to get so angry. It seems to me you right in just about everything I said, but lets try to debate nicely, everyone is entitled to their opinion rather their opinion is wack ass or not.
However to break some of the tension, listen to what Jay Leno said last night:
He said something to the extent of, (but this is not an exact quote), "The girl accusing[/i] Kobe Bryant of rape claims she is not out for media attention and to get money......*pause*..........Although her friends are look everyday and night they are on CNN NBC MSNBC Fox News and More!"
LMAO!
And I know also, the beauty of the message board is that you don't have to read the fighting threads and stuff, but I am interested in this story and I would like to read the arguements!
Argue peacibly please, I have enough fighting at home.
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OK.. my take... Kobe is an ass no matter how you look at it. He's shamed himself, he's shamed his family, he's shamed his team. He shoews up in a press conference sniveling like a whiny baby. Doesn't erase the fact that he cheated on his beautiful wife, and put in jepoardy his family which includes his child only MONTHS old. Simply to "get some." And so guilty of not of the "crime" it's disgusting to see many sportscasters, fans and his team coming out saying poor Kobe... he's a jerk no matter what happens in this case. Don't lose sight of that.
Now as far as the case goes... you have an emotionally unstable girl, who recently broken up with her boyfriend. Confirmed by her friends to be suicidal and hungry for fame i.e. The American Idol auditions (so much so that her family has asked friends to stop talking). Now there is a possibility that she was known by other NBA players as a "groupie" who often followed players around and that she may have a relative in the local DA's office. I'm sorry but NONE of this looks favorably on her case. The facts of this are going to come down to a classic he said/she said because no one knows what happened inthat room but them.
Truthfully, if he did it... put him away. If she falsely accused him, she should go away for the same time. That is such an injustice... and would stop a lot of the nonsense... we'll see how it pans out... but even an aquittal doesn't stop Kobe from being a creep...
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OK.. my take... Kobe is an ass no matter how you look at it. He's shamed himself, he's shamed his family, he's shamed his team. He shoews up in a press conference sniveling like a whiny baby. Doesn't erase the fact that he cheated on his beautiful wife, and put in jepoardy his family which includes his child only MONTHS old. Simply to "get some." And so guilty of not of the "crime" it's disgusting to see many sportscasters, fans and his team coming out saying poor Kobe... he's a jerk no matter what happens in this case. Don't lose sight of that.
Now as far as the case goes... you have an emotionally unstable girl, who recently broken up with her boyfriend. Confirmed by her friends to be suicidal and hungry for fame i.e. The American Idol auditions (so much so that her family has asked friends to stop talking). Now there is a possibility that she was known by other NBA players as a "groupie" who often followed players around and that she may have a relative in the local DA's office. I'm sorry but NONE of this looks favorably on her case. The facts of this are going to come down to a classic he said/she said because no one knows what happened inthat room but them.
Truthfully, if he did it... put him away. If she falsely accused him, she should go away for the same time. That is such an injustice... and would stop a lot of the nonsense... we'll see how it pans out... but even an aquittal doesn't stop Kobe from being a creep...
I agree with you totally! He blew it and now will probably have to settle out of court since he doofed up. I can't really see him raping the girl but regardless he has made an ass of himself!!! His wife is HOT!!! what is he thinking?!?!?!?
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OK.. my take... Kobe is an ass no matter how you look at it. He's shamed himself, he's shamed his family, he's shamed his team. He shoews up in a press conference sniveling like a whiny baby. Doesn't erase the fact that he cheated on his beautiful wife, and put in jepoardy his family which includes his child only MONTHS old. Simply to "get some." And so guilty of not of the "crime" it's disgusting to see many sportscasters, fans and his team coming out saying poor Kobe... he's a jerk no matter what happens in this case. Don't lose sight of that.
i would disagree with this entire paragraph... but i'm an asshole and my opinions on such matters are different than most.
Personally, i don't think him cheating on his wife makes him an ass, nor do i think he's shamed himself, his wife or his child. I think his wife knew what she was getting when she married him and I don't think she EVER expected him to be faithful. A girl marries an NBA star and she KNOWS what shes getting herself into. Same as marrying a rockstar. It's part of the package. Notice she doesn't seem particularly upset by all of this?
Now, for those who think that him cheating on his wife ALONE makes him an asshole *shrugs*, valid opinion, who am I to argue? Personally, I dont think so.
But the real issue here, is if he's a rapist. And IMO, there has been NOTHING to indicate that he is, so why would we assume so?
---Andrew
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I agree with you totally! He blew it and now will probably have to settle out of court since he doofed up. I can't really see him raping the girl but regardless he has made an ass of himself!!! His wife is HOT!!! what is he thinking?!?!?!?
He was thinking "my wife is 800 miles away". Not to mention, men don't always want to do the same things with the mother of their child. Sometimes, that takes some of the sexiness out of it all. I'm gonna stop there to avoid being too graphic.
Or maybe it's just an ego thing? Who are we to judge his MORALITY. If he were a mormon, would it be ok? If his wife KNEW about it and said he could do it, would it be ok? How do you know she didn't?
---Andrew
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last comment, I am only mean in arguments to people who flout their own ignorance, make incorrect statements without backing them up, angrily attack other people or lie to people.
It's like training a dog. If the dog pees on the carpet, you don't coddle him. You scold him, yell at him, smack him on the nose with a newspaper.... do other things loud and scary to establish a set of consequences for his actions.
If people are shown that they can say, OR DO, whatever they want WITHOUT consequences then we end up with complete anarchy. We end up with misinformation and lies being spread as facts, you end up with false rumors being spread about people.... without the FDA you end up with companies LYING about whats in the food you eat...
To quote my favorite Jasonism "Freedom of speech is not freedom from the consequences of what you say"
Personally, I insist on discouraging this kind of behavior.
---Andrew
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It was her wannabe famous friends that are saying she doesn't want money just justice. If you were raped you don't go to a party 3 days before charges are filed and talk about how well endowed Kobe is. I wouldn't wanna talk about it. She's not talking because it's hard to keep your story straight when you keep talking to people so the DA doesn't want her to talk. Besides, the less she says now, the more money her book deal will be worth.
I think it turned into rape when she realized all Kobe wanted was some sex and she didn't want to look easy.
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Personally, i don't think him cheating on his wife makes him an ass, nor do i think he's shamed himself, his wife or his child. I think his wife knew what she was getting when she married him and I don't think she EVER expected him to be faithful. A girl marries an NBA star and she KNOWS what shes getting herself into. Same as marrying a rockstar. It's part of the package. Notice she doesn't seem particularly upset by all of this?
Weren't you the one speaking up in an earlier post about how "Kobe has never been anything OTHER than a perfect gentlemen according to EVERY report." In fact in most reports even I've heard him talked about like he was a damn saint. I think any wife has the reasonable expectation of fidelity from her husband. And frankly, if what you say is true about professional athletes and rock stars, then they really are pathetic losers...
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Weren't you the one speaking up in an earlier post about how "Kobe has never been anything OTHER than a perfect gentlemen according to EVERY report." In fact in most reports even I've heard him talked about like he was a damn saint. I think any wife has the reasonable expectation of fidelity from her husband. And frankly, if what you say is true about professional athletes and rock stars, then they really are pathetic losers...
I still don't consider his infidelity to indicate that he is LESS than a gentleman. As I said, in his situation, I see nothing wrong with it.
As for the comment about athletes and rock stars being pathetic, I disagree; I think they just live by different rulse and standards. That doesn't make them bad people, just different.
---Andrew
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...for some reason, i believe him...
kinda sad...
but still he shouldn't of been cheating on his wife!
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As for the comment about athletes and rock stars being pathetic, I disagree; I think they just live by different rulse and standards. That doesn't make them bad people, just different.
---Andrew
I agree with Jason, being famous does not give a guy cheating privileges.
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I agree with Jason, being famous does not give a guy cheating privileges.
I never said it did. What I suggested is that his WIFE gives him cheating privileges and that the wives of all (or most) professional athletes and musicians give them this privilege. Ever read a book about a rock band on tour? Led Zepplin's Hammer of the Gods, for example? It lays out the situation pretty clearly.
---Andrew
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Kobe was stupid and naive to get married at 20 in the first place. His cheating on her was inevitable. He basically married his "first love" thinking this will last forever as a stupid lovestruck kid would. Cheating is wrong but I'm sure he isn't the first guy and definitely not the last guy with power or fame or money to cheat on his wife.
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Kobe was stupid and naive to get married at 20 in the first place. His cheating on her was inevitable. He basically married his "first love" thinking this will last forever as a stupid lovestruck kid would. Cheating is wrong but I'm sure he isn't the first guy and definitely not the last guy with power or fame or money to cheat on his wife.
I still don't understand why cheating is "wrong". And no one has yet clarified, is it cheating if she said it's OK?
frankly, I think you guys are being awfully judgemental about a situation you know nothing about. Who are we to judge Kobe's mariage?
---Andrew
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I still don't understand why cheating is "wrong". And no one has yet clarified, is it cheating if she said it's OK?
Oh yeah, she really said "it's ok hunny, you can cheat on me, go ahead I don't mind" I mean come on, that's just silly.
frankly, I think you guys are being awfully judgemental about a situation you know nothing about.
Well you are to. Your trying to defend Kobe like you were in there and saw everything, well you didn't. I didn't see everything either, so maybe Kobe is telling the truth, but it was still wrong to cheat on his wife nontheless. Just my opinion.
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Well i think everything grakthis is saying makes much more sense...
but reagrdless of any of yer opinions i think this is how it went
kobe screws her
she probably wanted more then that
but kobe denys
then she gets angry for not getting what she wants and makes up a dirty lie
and kobe well, he just ashame for what he did "chetaing on his wife and stuff"...bleh Lol
thats how i see it...then again i'm crazy so um yea..will you guys shutup..it dont matter ..either way i still like/hate kobe and its obvious that mostly basketball stars always getting accuse of doing something the probably didnt do.. ...this is like getting very old in my book..
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Oh yeah, she really said "it's ok hunny, you can cheat on me, go ahead I don't mind" I mean come on, that's just silly.
Um.. little miss naive... it happens. Often. I've MET people with open marriages. Normal people. I've read books by rockstars where they quote their wives saying that it's ok for them to cheat because they know where home is. So if you honestly don't think it's possible, then you need to study up on the lifestyle. A lot.
Well you are to. Your trying to defend Kobe like you were in there and saw everything, well you didn't. I didn't see everything either, so maybe Kobe is telling the truth, but it was still wrong to cheat on his wife nontheless. Just my opinion.
I never said I was there. I never said he was innocent. I just said I belive in the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" and since there is no evidence of his guilt, i refuse to believe in it.
Frankly, you need to learn to stop putting words in people's mouth's and making assumptions about the things they say. It's a sign of immaturity.
---Andrew
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Well you are to. Your trying to defend Kobe like you were in there and saw everything, well you didn't. I didn't see everything either, so maybe Kobe is telling the truth, but it was still wrong to cheat on his wife nontheless. Just my opinion.
Oh, and as a side note; the word is "too". Two o's. If the word is used to mean the same thing as "as well" then its two o's. And don't even say it's a typo, cause you do it in all your posts.
---Andrew
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Well you are to. Your trying to defend Kobe like you were in there and saw everything, well you didn't. I didn't see everything either, so maybe Kobe is telling the truth, but it was still wrong to cheat on his wife nontheless. Just my opinion.
Oh, and as a side note; the word is "too". Two o's. If the word is used to mean the same thing as "as well" then its two o's. And don't even say it's a typo, cause you do it in all your posts.
Almost everybody here doesn't type perfectly, so why just get on my case? Your just straight up rude. And so what if I do it in all my post's? Sorry i'm not as "perfect" as you...
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Yeah... i'm sure it was all ok with his wifeand kobe doesn't feel guilty about cheating... everybody drops $4mil diamond rings on thier wives after cheating on them when it's no big deal...
an a side note...
I heard the accuser is quite the jewlery girl herself.. kobe gave her a perl necklace followed by a bronze choker... at least that's what she says... ;)
(credit: The Kimmer (http://www.kimmershow.com))
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WOW!
I must say Andrew has a good arguement! However I really don't feel the need for you to get so angry. It seems to me you right in just about everything I said, but lets try to debate nicely, everyone is entitled to their opinion rather their opinion is wack ass or not.
However to break some of the tension, listen to what Jay Leno said last night:
He said something to the extent of, (but this is not an exact quote), "The girl accusing[/i] Kobe Bryant of rape claims she is not out for media attention and to get money......*pause*..........Although her friends are look everyday and night they are on CNN NBC MSNBC Fox News and More!"
LMAO!
And I know also, the beauty of the message board is that you don't have to read the fighting threads and stuff, but I am interested in this story and I would like to read the arguements!
Argue peacibly please, I have enough fighting at home.
Erm, you can't make up for something you did, like rape, with money. It just doesn't work like that. Same with the Catholic Priest Scandal. Half the people who sued the Archdiocese of whatever city weren't even TOUCHED! They just wanted money. You know who's affected by dishonest retards like that? I am, 'cause they're taking money from my diocese to give to them, and I see only a little fraction of it. So, I'm screwed 'cause we have NO MORE MONEY!
The moral of this post : You CAN'T make amends for something like rape with money.
(Sorry to bring Catholics into this . . . )
I hate the phone
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Oh, and as a side note; the word is "too". Two o's. If the word is used to mean the same thing as "as well" then its two o's. And don't even say it's a typo, cause you do it in all your posts.
Almost everybody here doesn't type perfectly, so why just get on my case? Your just straight up rude. And so what if I do it in all my post's? Sorry i'm not as "perfect" as you...[/quote]
Woah there sweetheart. I was telling you that for your benefit. Knowledge is power, and I just threw some your way for FREE. If I were trying to be mean, I'd have made fun of you at the same time.
"I'd rather you just said thank you, and went on your way"
---Andrew
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Yeah... i'm sure it was all ok with his wifeand kobe doesn't feel guilty about cheating... everybody drops $4mil diamond rings on thier wives after cheating on them when it's no big deal...
Maybe that's the deal? He cheats, if he gets caught, he buys her a ring. Maybe she agreed to that? I'm just saying that marriage is between the two people who are married and no one but them makes the rules. If she got mad and divorced him, then I'd be ok for you guys to be indignant. But as it is, I dont think anyone has the right to judge their relationship.
an a side note...
I heard the accuser is quite the jewlery girl herself.. kobe gave her a perl necklace followed by a bronze choker... at least that's what she says... ;)
(credit: The Kimmer (http://www.kimmershow.com))
That's the funniest damn thing I've heard all week :wink:
---Andrew
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I agree with Andrew on the whole ''Innocent Until Proven Guilty'' thing. I think that if Kobe had a whole criminal rape record thing, then I'd be like "Fuck, yeah! He's guilty fo' sho','' but there's no record. Until I see proof that says KOBE BRYANT RAPED whoever the fuck she is, I think Kobe's free.
Other than that, I'm more of a baseball person. I mean, any athlete is okay I guess, but . . . If it was a baseball player, I'd be on his side and I'd argue with anyone in his defense. Well, depending on who it was. If it was Griffey, I'd say he's guilty. If it was Alex Rodriguez or Derek Jeter (sexy), then they'd be innocent, no matter what anyone else says. They'd never have to rape anyone, though. I mean, come on . . . Rape is when the guy forces you to have do them, right? I'd do Jeter voluntarily. ;)
I hate pulp in orange juice.
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Woah there sweetheart. I was telling you that for your benefit. Knowledge is power, and I just threw some your way for FREE. If I were trying to be mean, I'd have made fun of you at the same time.
"I'd rather you just said thank you, and went on your way"
First of all, please don't call me sweetheart.
Second of all, I would have been perfectly fine, and have said thank you if you didn't add " And don't even say it's a typo, cause you do it in all your posts." in there because maybe it was just a typo or maybe I did it on purpose, the point is...nobody here types perfectly, but you only got on my case or rather pointed it out, which you knew was going to get on my nerves, you KNEW it.
That's all, I'm done here. You think your all perfect trying to proove people's opinions are wrong, whatever I don't really give a shit anymore.
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Woah there sweetheart. I was telling you that for your benefit. Knowledge is power, and I just threw some your way for FREE. If I were trying to be mean, I'd have made fun of you at the same time.
"I'd rather you just said thank you, and went on your way"
First of all, please don't call me sweetheart.
Second of all, I would have been perfectly fine, and have said thank you if you didn't add " And don't even say it's a typo, cause you do it in all your posts." in there because maybe it was just a typo or maybe I did it on purpose, the point is...nobody here types perfectly, but you only got on my case or rather pointed it out, which you knew was going to get on my nerves, you KNEW it.
That's all, I'm done here. You think your all perfect trying to proove people's opinions are wrong, whatever I don't really give a shit anymore.
Laura is officially my hero!! :D
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Laura is officially my hero!! :D
lol heck i'm just saying what everybody else want's to say. I'm heading to the Ev board from now on, the nicer nessaholics are over there, lol you should come to, ask blackvulture to give you a link...heh
Actually, I'm just not feelin the Ev board, so i'm just gonna update my livejournal, check my email, and chat on aim with friends from now on, incase anybody want's to know how to get ahold of me.
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Laura is officially my hero!! :D
lol heck i'm just saying what everybody else want's to say. I'm heading to the Ev board from now on, peace out~
All because of that prick? It seems sad and I'll miss you very much!! stop by and leave us a note on a regular basis!! :D
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lol, u still gotta get me my Ev sig and Avatar, haha
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haha I know....I'm gonna make them after work tomorrow and after I take my nap. hehe
ohhh btw I couldn't find any pictures from the pepsi concert...but I have 2 pictures of ben and amy sooooo I'll send them to you in PM to see if you like them to use.
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lol heck i'm just saying what everybody else want's to say. I'm heading to the Ev board from now on, the nicer nessaholics are over there, lol you should come to, ask blackvulture to give you a link...heh
Oh come on now... Andrew's harmless... he's just that loveable oscar the grouch personality type. Believe me i know... Im exactly the same way. It just so hapens, you are already on my good side ;) I would be blasting someone just as hard as he is if they weren't.
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First of all, please don't call me sweetheart.
If you are allowed to spout of misinformed opinions and lies then I'm allowed to call you sweetheart if I want. When you stop being so childish, then i'll stop talking down to you. Deal?
Second of all, I would have been perfectly fine, and have said thank you if you didn't add " And don't even say it's a typo, cause you do it in all your posts." in there because maybe it was just a typo or maybe I did it on purpose, the point is...nobody here types perfectly, but you only got on my case or rather pointed it out, which you knew was going to get on my nerves, you KNEW it.
Damn right I did. I wouldn't have added that last line if I weren't trying to be an asshole. But in all honesty, the first two times I noticed you typing "to", I just ignored it. The third time, I decided it was time to teach you a lesson.
If you knew I was just trying to get on your nerves, then why did you let me? Just ignore it.
That's all, I'm done here. You think your all perfect trying to proove people's opinions are wrong, whatever I don't really give a shit anymore.
First off, you can't prove an opinion wrong. You can descredit the person or even prove the BASIS for their opinion wrong. But the beauty of opinions is that they can't be wrong. Just stupid. I don't try to prove people's opinions "wrong". I never have. It's a lesson I learned at a young ago. You can argue an opinion, but you can't PROVE anything.
What I find most entertaining here, is that my facts and arguments are SOOOOOO good that you can't even ARGUE with them! You have both just turned to attacking ME!
Which is fine really, because I'm a big boy and the opinions of two little girls wont bother me. But come on, it's no fun to argue if you don't even CHALLENGE what I'm saying! Didn't they teach you two about critical analysis in gradeschool? sheesh.
---Andrew
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lol heck i'm just saying what everybody else want's to say. I'm heading to the Ev board from now on, the nicer nessaholics are over there, lol you should come to, ask blackvulture to give you a link...heh
*shrug*. It'd be a shame to see you leave over a silly argument. My intention is never to run people off. But sometimes they just need a good kick in the pants.
Frankly, if you let me chase you off, then aren't you admiting defeat in the worst possible way? I was under the impression you were stronger than that.
---Andrew
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Oh come on now... Andrew's harmless... he's just that loveable oscar the grouch personality type. Believe me i know... Im exactly the same way. It just so hapens, you are already on my good side ;) I would be blasting someone just as hard as he is if they weren't.
*scowls*
I am not harmless! I am big and mean and CRANKY! Grrrrrrr!!
Don't mess with me! I'll whoop ya! :wink:
---Andrew
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Oh come on now... Andrew's harmless... he's just that loveable oscar the grouch personality type. Believe me i know... Im exactly the same way. It just so hapens, you are already on my good side ;) I would be blasting someone just as hard as he is if they weren't.
*scowls*
I am not harmless! I am big and mean and CRANKY! Grrrrrrr!!
Don't mess with me! I'll whoop ya! :wink:
---Andrew
fruit loop~ ::olympic::
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Oh come on now... Andrew's harmless... he's just that loveable oscar the grouch personality type. Believe me i know... Im exactly the same way. It just so hapens, you are already on my good side ;) I would be blasting someone just as hard as he is if they weren't.
*scowls*
I am not harmless! I am big and mean and CRANKY! Grrrrrrr!!
Don't mess with me! I'll whoop ya! :wink:
---Andrew
Nah, you're like that bear. That Snuggles laundry-something bear. Mhm.
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this post is so wack ass!
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Nah, you're like that bear. That Snuggles laundry-something bear. Mhm.
LOL! I cannot believe I just got compared to the snuggle bear! He's not mean!!!
Punks!
---Andrew
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Nah, you're like that bear. That Snuggles laundry-something bear. Mhm.
LOL! I cannot believe I just got compared to the snuggle bear! He's not mean!!!
Punks!
---Andrew
HAHA!
I would say he is more like the ummm annoying guy on all the hardees commercials....okay no.
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I absolutely HATE all commercials. Except for that Doritos one with ENrique a while back.
Oh, and those ones they showed during the All-Star game with Mr. Derek are okay in my book. ;)
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HAHA!
I would say he is more like the ummm annoying guy on all the hardees commercials....okay no.
Hardees comercials? Does Hardees still exist? :wink:
---Andrew
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You havn't seen those commercials they play every two minutes, on the radio or TV?!?!?!?
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You havn't seen those commercials they play every two minutes, on the radio or TV?!?!?!?
Um. Nope.
---Andrew
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Consider yourself one of the most blessed human beings ever.
Here in South Carolina, just about every commercial set, on almost any station.
You will see, usually a black and white commercial, with some guy saying, I used to think if I wanted a good burger I would have to go to the mom and pops diner down town. One day I was passing by Hardees and just decided that I would stop there and try their burgers. Hardees used to be the last place on my list to get a burger, those thin little patties with hardly any lettese. I was in love with the burger when I ate it.
And then they start yacking about 3/4 pound of anguse beef, "Hardees, where the last place you'd go to get a burger will now become the first."
And every time, it's just a slight veriation of that with a different person and a slightly different story.
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Which story of his should I believe?
First, he says nothing has happened and he's innocent.
Second, he says he did in fact have sex with the alleged victim.
Third, I'm waiting to see what his next version of it will be. I suppose it will all depend on how much evidence there is against him.
Some posts say this woman is seeking fame. Sounds like Kobe's type of girl. Let's not forget that he took Brandy to her high school prom. He appears to have a thing for women who are or want to be singers.
Believe him, no. I would not believe Kobe Bryant told me the sky was blue on a clear day.
Topher
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Which story of his should I believe?
First, he says nothing has happened and he's innocent.
Second, he says he did in fact have sex with the alleged victim.
Third, I'm waiting to see what his next version of it will be. I suppose it will all depend on how much evidence there is against him.
Some posts say this woman is seeking fame. Sounds like Kobe's type of girl. Let's not forget that he took Brandy to her high school prom. He appears to have a thing for women who are or want to be singers.
Believe him, no. I would not believe Kobe Bryant told me the sky was blue on a clear day.
Topher
Kobe has never said "nothing" happened. I don't know where you get this BS from. You just make up facts? All he ever said before charges were filled is that he did nothing illegal. ONce charges were filled he admited that he had consensual sex with her.
Why did he wait? Would you admit something like that publicly if you didn't have to? If they dont file charges, he has no reason to admit it. And frankly, it's none of our business.
Lets see the facts as they stand RIGHT now.... At 11, the girl gets off work and CALLS Kobe. Kobe then calls his wife at 11:15. At 12:30 someone orders a movie from Kobe's room. Apparently they were done by then.
Then at NOON the next day, the girl goes to the police and then to the hospital where tests are taken from Kobe and from the girl. Tests will likely confirm they had sex. Apparently there is some bruising that occured as well, but theres no way to verify WHEN this occured.
Does this sound like a rape situation? It sounds to me like she CLEARLY went to his room to have sex with him. IT even sounds like things were CLEARLY cosensual all the way through them sitting together and watching a movie. The only question in MY mind is if she started going NUTS and she and Kobe got into a fight afterwards over some dumb shit she said, and at some point there was a skuffle and she ends up with bruised arms or something.
And now there are apparently TWO suicide attempts on this girls record! TWICE she Od'd in the last year! Not a shot in hell a jury will convict based on this evidence, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dellusional or psyhic.
---Andrew
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Andrew, you know that Hardees that was at the corner of Clarks Lane and Poplar Level? They're buildng a bank there, now. Just what we need, another bank. LOL
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I <3 Andrew
I also believe that he did not rape her.However... I do think cheating is a nasty thing. Andrew even knows that I would never want ANY part in it. Right Andrew?
Also... I feel awful for his wife, Vanessa. It must be really hard dealing with your husband cheating on you...let alone all the media.
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And now there are apparently TWO suicide attempts on this girls record! TWICE she Od'd in the last year! Not a shot in hell a jury will convict based on this evidence, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dellusional or psyhic.
Nah... with a history like that, the prosecution is apt to press statutory rape charges because she couldn't give consent anyway. :wink:
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Andrew, you know that Hardees that was at the corner of Clarks Lane and Poplar Level? They're buildng a bank there, now. Just what we need, another bank. LOL
Aww. I used to love that Hardees. THat's where I walked to eat after school but before swim meets. Only fast food within walking distance for us non-license having St.Xers.
---Andrew
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I <3 Andrew
I also believe that he did not rape her.However... I do think cheating is a nasty thing. Andrew even knows that I would never want ANY part in it. Right Andrew?
Also... I feel awful for his wife, Vanessa. It must be really hard dealing with your husband cheating on you...let alone all the media.
Well, don't feel so bad for Vanessa. They were married in CA which is a 50/50 state. Which means right off the top if she wants to divorce him she walks away with half. And maybe more depending on she plays it.
Trust me, if she stays with him then shes gonna be the one running that relationship for a while and if she leaves him she gets RICH and no one blames her for it. Either way she wins.
---Andrew
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And now there are apparently TWO suicide attempts on this girls record! TWICE she Od'd in the last year! Not a shot in hell a jury will convict based on this evidence, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dellusional or psyhic.
Nah... with a history like that, the prosecution is apt to press statutory rape charges because she couldn't give consent anyway. :wink:
lol! Nice call :wink:
---Andrew
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My dad could still kick your dad's ass. I bet my mom could kick your dad's ass too. ;)
Seriously though, I always feel just a little bit smarter after reading your posts (well not always, but most of the time). I did debate in high school and it's rather refreshing to see those types of things on here...especially with people who are well informed like you, Jason, and Will....even if you all piss me off sometimes. <3
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We've a debate team. The only one I remember is uniforms in schools. O_o I kicked ass in that one.
I suck any other time.
I hate the Mets.
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I hate the Mets.
Don't we all? :wink:
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Found This On MSN (http://espn.go.com/page2/s/wiley/030725.html?partnersite=espn)
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Kobe has never said "nothing" happened. I don't know where you get this BS from. You just make up facts? All he ever said before charges were filled is that he did nothing illegal. ONce charges were filled he admited that he had consensual sex with her.
And now there are apparently TWO suicide attempts on this girls record! TWICE she Od'd in the last year! Not a shot in hell a jury will convict based on this evidence, and anyone who thinks otherwise is dellusional or psyhic.
---Andrew
So what, if someone automatically disagrees with you, it's BS?
In his very first statement to the media (prior to the one in which he appeared with his wife), he denied even sexual contact with the allgeged victim. You can choose to ignore the parts of the story you want, but it the denial is quite clear.
Kobe's stories do not add up. And, because of the initial denial, it's obvious that there is no "open marriage," which you discussed earlier.
Andrew, you would obviously argue with a sign post and get mad at it for not arguing back. I guess this is just one more futile attempt to make everyone think you know something. A smart man knows he doesn't have all the answers, but knows to ask the questions.
Topher
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Topher somehow I gotta believe that your being a Jailblazer fan might have a little to do with your opinions on this subject. You should be used to seeing charges filed against players being from Portland. LMAO
Cheating is wrong because you enter marriage supposedly to be faithful to your spouse. Yes, there are such things as open marriages but I highly doubt Vanessa agreed to be in one. Just because she's accepting his infidelity doesn't mean that she agreed to accept it from the beginning of the marriage. I'm sure that she probably knew that the chances of him doing it is higher because of his profession and status but that still doesn't make it acceptable. I agree that you get treated the way you allow somebody to treat you and Vanessa is, in a way, condoning his behavior but the fact remains that Kobe never should've been married in the first place. Had he been single when this incident occurred I doubt charges would've been made against him because the accuser would've believed that she "had a shot" with him.
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Topher somehow I gotta believe that your being a Jailblazer fan might have a little to do with your opinions on this subject. You should be used to seeing charges filed against players being from Portland. LMAO
Okay now, for the record, only two Blazers were found guilty of a minor offense during the past season. People talk about them like the whole team is in court on murder charges every other day. That's not the case. And hey, everyone wants to get rid of Damon Stoudamire anyway. But if you're going to mention the "JailBlazers," don't forget to mention the other 13 on the roster who are pretty good guys (i.e. Derek Anderson, Dale Davis, Jeff McInnis).
I have to give you credit for the dig though -- not bad. However, following Portland has no affect on my not believing Kobe Bryant. I believe the evidence will show that he is guilty of the charges which have been brought against him.
And, while possessing marijuana is illegal, I'd consider sexual assault a little more serious.
Again, nice dig Steveau.
Topher
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My dad could still kick your dad's ass. I bet my mom could kick your dad's ass too. ;)
Seriously though, I always feel just a little bit smarter after reading your posts (well not always, but most of the time). I did debate in high school and it's rather refreshing to see those types of things on here...especially with people who are well informed like you, Jason, and Will....even if you all piss me off sometimes. <3
I strongly believe that if someone ISN'T getting pissed off, then the argument isn't accomplishing as much as it could. People get mad when their most strongly held beliefs are challeneged, and being challeneged makes people grow. It makes people consider other alternatives.
I have come to some of my BEST realizations when I am the MOST pissed off. Which is why I never get offended when someone tells me I'm mean or I'm an asshole. It just means I've made an impression.
---Andrew
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So what, if someone automatically disagrees with you, it's BS?
In his very first statement to the media (prior to the one in which he appeared with his wife), he denied even sexual contact with the allgeged victim. You can choose to ignore the parts of the story you want, but it the denial is quite clear.
I'm telling you RIGHT NOW, this is NOT TRUE. I don't know if it's a lie or you are just misquoting, but that was never said. He never said that. His lawyer never said that. You are making an assertion that an event happened, PROVE IT. Find me a quote or article. PROVE ME WRONG. I dare you!
Kobe's stories do not add up. And, because of the initial denial, it's obvious that there is no "open marriage," which you discussed earlier.
Andrew, you would obviously argue with a sign post and get mad at it for not arguing back. I guess this is just one more futile attempt to make everyone think you know something. A smart man knows he doesn't have all the answers, but knows to ask the questions.
Topher
First off, your little quote about a wiseman is really funny because I don't think you're in a position to be talking about who is and is not wise. Frankly, that quote in and of itself is pure irony because a wise person (as defined in your statement) wouldn't make that assertion and if a fool makes the statement then why would anyone believe it?
And if you ever read my other posts, you would realize, I ask a TON of questions. But apparently, unlike you, I infact LISTEN to the things I am told and read, so I know what IS and IS NOT said.
His story DOES add up. If you think it doesn't, show us. What is wrong with his story? FInd the flaws.
You make these assinine off the cuff assertions then you don't back them up with ANY logic or facts, and you expect us to believe you?
---Andrew
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Okay now, for the record, only two Blazers were found guilty of a minor offense during the past season. People talk about them like the whole team is in court on murder charges every other day. That's not the case. And hey, everyone wants to get rid of Damon Stoudamire anyway. But if you're going to mention the "JailBlazers," don't forget to mention the other 13 on the roster who are pretty good guys (i.e. Derek Anderson, Dale Davis, Jeff McInnis).
I love how you say "ONLY TWO"!!! Only two THIS SEASON! You also have the league leader in Technicals. And a bunch of flat out thugs. I would hardly classify Dale Davis or Jeff McInnis as "good". Derek Anderson, I'll give the nod to.
I have to give you credit for the dig though -- not bad. However, following Portland has no affect on my not believing Kobe Bryant. I believe the evidence will show that he is guilty of the charges which have been brought against him.
I say again, WHAT EVIDENCE! No evidence has been released to the public. As far as we know, they have no evidence. So you tell me, what evidence do YOU have that none of the rest of the US has?
---Andrew
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Well, don't feel so bad for Vanessa. They were married in CA which is a 50/50 state. Which means right off the top if she wants to divorce him she walks away with half. And maybe more depending on she plays it.
Trust me, if she stays with him then shes gonna be the one running that relationship for a while and if she leaves him she gets RICH and no one blames her for it. Either way she wins.
---Andrew
Yes I know all about this... but what about the emotional BS he is putting her through?
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So what, if someone automatically disagrees with you, it's BS?
In his very first statement to the media (prior to the one in which he appeared with his wife), he denied even sexual contact with the allgeged victim. You can choose to ignore the parts of the story you want, but it the denial is quite clear.
I'm telling you RIGHT NOW, this is NOT TRUE. I don't know if it's a lie or you are just misquoting, but that was never said. He never said that. His lawyer never said that. You are making an assertion that an event happened, PROVE IT. Find me a quote or article. PROVE ME WRONG. I dare you!
I wasn't paying too much attention to the case, and I am still not paying too much attetntion...but I do remember like 2 weeks ago where they were talking about it on MSNBC(or FOX NEWS) they were talking to a lawyer (not one connected to him) and she said that Kobe was told that if the frainzick(sorry can't spell) matched not to lie...and he said he didn't have sex...but last week he came out saying he did but both parties agreed on it.
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Yes I know all about this... but what about the emotional BS he is putting her through?
If the emotional BS is bad, then she will leave him. If not, then she will stay. I think her decision is pretty clearly going to show us how bad it is or isn't for her.
Besides, its none of our business if he cheats on his wife. It's only our business if he commits a crime.
---Andrew
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I wasn't paying too much attention to the case, and I am still not paying too much attetntion...but I do remember like 2 weeks ago where they were talking about it on MSNBC(or FOX NEWS) they were talking to a lawyer (not one connected to him) and she said that Kobe was told that if the frainzick(sorry can't spell) matched not to lie...and he said he didn't have sex...but last week he came out saying he did but both parties agreed on it.
No no no no no.
Bryant's exact words were "I didn't do anything like that". He never said "I never had sex with her" he never said "I didn't have sexual relations with that girl". He did NOT pull a Bill Clinton. He denied the accusations and people made BAD assumptions about what he was denying. That is not his fault if people misinterpret.
---Andrew
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Frankly speaking Nikkee if you don't want emotional BS you shouldn't marry a Kobe Bryant or any other celebrity. There's gonna be extra baggage involved no matter what.
I'll tell you this, a friggin $4 million rock will make any kinda BS smell better. LMFAO
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Free Kobe O:-)
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:roflmao:
Who would marry you?
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:roflmao:
Who would marry you?
Damn this bitch off the chain!
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You know what IIIIIIIIIIII believe?
Kobe's guilty.
The bastard raped someone.