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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: joann on December 16, 2003, 08:30:44 am

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: joann on December 16, 2003, 08:30:44 am

between Twilight and Afterglow?

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: loveplasticlove on December 16, 2003, 08:32:56 am

I can see it...

And I would say Paradise is the prequel? lol

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: joann on December 16, 2003, 08:37:38 am

aaaaaaaah, a trilogy!
I like it!

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: loveplasticlove on December 16, 2003, 08:43:24 am

yep and in this order...

paradise, twilight, afterglow

what do you think?

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: loveplasticlove on December 16, 2003, 08:45:21 am

I'd also connect papa, swindler & wanted

all songs about men and she plays them just on the piano live.  

those angry songs... I <3 them

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: divasteph on December 16, 2003, 09:05:31 am

i see the first trilogy.... i get it!

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: loveplasticlove on December 16, 2003, 09:47:27 am

you don't see the similarities between the second set I mentioned?

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: Tia on December 16, 2003, 09:56:29 am

Quote from: "loveplasticlove"

you don't see the similarities between the second set I mentioned?

I do =)

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: divasteph on December 16, 2003, 09:59:06 am

no i get it - it is just a different kind of connection than the first one

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: Holly on December 16, 2003, 10:01:52 am

I thought the same thing the first time I heard Afterglow! They are really alike!
I've never been to a full healinging show of hers, but i know she's sung Twilight last at a few songs... and Afterglow last too. Does she always do those last? Twilight is the last on BnN. Maybe Afterglow will be the last on the next album. I think they are both good endings to albums... cause they're both mellow.
I never thought about Paradise being connected. I always thought Afterglow and Twilight are more about overcoming hard times and seeing the light afterwards. Paradise seems more to me like going through a hard time, but no closure. But maybe they are! I could see if they go in that order Nicole mentioned! All I Ask can maybe fit in that category too? Like wanting to get over a hard time... but not quite?
and I kinda think of Papa and C'est La Vie being alike, but maybe that's just because she always seems to play them together and they came out around the same time

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Post by: loveplasticlove on December 16, 2003, 10:08:11 am

well I see what you are saying Holly....

Paradise to me is about being in denial and not fixing your problem.... then I would say with Twilight you realize you have a problem and you know what you have to do ... with Afterglow... its done and you are free of it.

I feel like C'est La Vie is more of a sad song that angry...

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: divasteph on December 16, 2003, 11:21:18 am

hmmm - i am less in agreence w/ holly and more in an agreence with nicole

i think the three songs together tell a story -

i feel overall that BnN tells a story but i feel the story on BnN the story might be a little bit out of order....

and the whole first trilogy seems to be telling a story

the whole second trilogy thing is just that the songs are similar in style...

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: neos on December 16, 2003, 02:03:03 pm

Quote from: "loveplasticlove"

those angry songs... I <3 them

;) me too

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Post by: Chloe on December 16, 2003, 03:14:56 pm

me three!

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Post by: Holly on December 16, 2003, 04:16:50 pm

Quote from: "divasteph"

hmmm - i am less in agreence w/ holly and more in an agreence with nicole

i think the three songs together tell a story -

i was just saying that I think afterglow and twilight are really alike in what they're saying. i agree with nicole's story theory.

Quote from: "Holly"

But maybe they are! I could see if they go in that order Nicole mentioned!

maybe "little mary" and "all i ask" could be thrown in too!
little mary- talking about the reason of depression (not being perfect) and what the girl does about it. but maybe this wouldnt work in the story tho, because she dies in it... and that would kinda end the story, but just a thought.
paradise- realising she has a problem and thinking about what its done to her. but still thinking that she could spend one more day in paradise. So still in denial
all i ask- asking for help to get through trouble... almost asking for guidance?
twilight- learing to say goodbye to and work through her problems
afterglow- when she happy free and ok again.

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: Dancernl on December 16, 2003, 10:30:43 pm

Quote from: "loveplasticlove"

I'd also connect papa, swindler & wanted

all songs about men and she plays them just on the piano live.  

those angry songs... I <3 them

YES!  those songs would be the soundtrack to the story of my life!

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: loveplasticlove on December 17, 2003, 03:43:31 am

Quote from: "Dancernl"

Quote from: "loveplasticlove"

I'd also connect papa, swindler & wanted

all songs about men and she plays them just on the piano live.  

those angry songs... I <3 them

YES!  those songs would be the soundtrack to the story of my life!

JOIN THE CLUB

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: joann on December 17, 2003, 07:21:38 am

I am really liking the Twilight  - >  Afterglow theme. I think it reflects the progression of her music and, from hearing her talk about it, her life. I love the reference to light. I guess for me it's a spiritual thing where goodness = light.
I wish I could have asked her more about the next CD, if she would be doing a cover, what is she gonna call it, what will the cover art be like, will Stephen be playing on it?

I really can't wait.

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: Holly on December 17, 2003, 05:23:41 pm

i guess "little mary" and "all i ask" dont fit in... lol, oh well

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Post by: loveplasticlove on December 17, 2003, 05:28:00 pm

Quote from: "Holly"

i guess "little mary" and "all i ask" dont fit in... lol, oh well

hey hun... just because we do not see as you doesn nto mind you have to agree with us.  As long as you see the connection its cool... don't doubt yourself.  <3

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: Holly on December 17, 2003, 05:43:44 pm

thanks!
lol, i dont know what i think.

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: loveplasticlove on December 17, 2003, 06:28:31 pm

Quote from: "Holly"

thanks!
lol, i dont know what i think.

<3

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: Holly on December 17, 2003, 06:34:54 pm

Quote from: "loveplasticlove"

Quote from: "Holly"

thanks!
lol, i dont know what i think.

<3

<3

Title: Do you think there is a connection
Post by: joann on December 18, 2003, 06:36:08 am

Quote from: "Holly"

maybe "little mary" and "all i ask" could be thrown in too!
little mary- talking about the reason of depression (not being perfect) and what the girl does about it. but maybe this wouldnt work in the story tho, because she dies in it... and that would kinda end the story, but just a thought.
paradise- realising she has a problem and thinking about what its done to her. but still thinking that she could spend one more day in paradise. So still in denial
all i ask- asking for help to get through trouble... almost asking for guidance?
twilight- learing to say goodbye to and work through her problems
afterglow- when she happy free and ok again.

Holly is WAY more insightful than I am!