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I do .....i believe he is really watching over us....i know some of you probably don't feel the same way i do...but i think you should have a little faith because a person who has faith has everything.....
God is love..and everything he want us to be....i have my beliefs but do you?
i'm just curious ........
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Yes, I do.
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Got to . . .
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Got to?
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yes yes :)
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Got to?
yepp
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Says who?!
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Says who?!
HE does. :roll:
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haha.. i believe in god.. the father almighty..
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If you didn't HAVE to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . Would you?
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haha.. i believe in god.. the father almighty..
Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen . . . Ooo! That's so my favorit in-Mass prayer! Yay!
Is that weird?
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I believe in god. Yup. I feel he is always over me watching me and I talk to him at night sometimes and tell him thankyou.
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most people on earth believe in a god of one form or another.
Believing in Jesus as the one and only savior is a better question, the one that actually matters.
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haha.. i believe in god.. the father almighty..
Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen . . . Ooo! That's so my favorit in-Mass prayer! Yay!
Is that weird?
haha.. not really :wink:
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so many religion polls lately...hmmm I believe in God, it took awhile though.
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I believe in 6 gods! none of them are the aledged the god. or whatever....
For those who didn't know there are six members in Linkin Park
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I believe in 6 gods! none of them are the aledged the god. or whatever....
For those who didn't know there are six members in Linkin Park
...and Vanessa's a goddess. We know this :)
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I believe in 6 gods! none of them are the aledged the god. or whatever....
For those who didn't know there are six members in Linkin Park
...and Vanessa's a goddess. We know this :)
so true :wink:
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I believe in 6 gods! none of them are the aledged the god. or whatever....
For those who didn't know there are six members in Linkin Park
...and Vanessa's a goddess. We know this :)
Oh there are countless goddesses in my list :wink:
Michelle in Maxim being one of them!
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I am a strong believer in god.
I believe because of what he has done for me and my family, good and bad, almost losing my mother to a horrible car crash you can never imagine, and my grandfather who I love so much with all my heart who now has a rare (hard to cure) stomach cancer.
No matter what, I will not (ever) give up faith on the lord/god.
I love him, he gave me these wonderful people in my life.
He gave me my life, the love in my life, joy, happiness, everything...
Manda
yes, I am a strong believer in god.
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I'm not sure... :?
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Do you believe in god?
No.
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I'm not sure... :?
are you serious? :|
and yes I do believe in God
Yes is winning wahey! :lol:
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Yes is winning wahey! :lol:
ha, I didn't know this was a contest... :?
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ha, I didn't know this was a contest... :?
then you have much to learn... :lol:
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I'm not sure... :?
are you serious? :|
Absolutely
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Absolutely
:(
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Absolutely
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What's up? :?
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What's up? :?
if you can't figure then it doesn't matter :roll:
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What's up? :?
if you can't figure then it doesn't matter :roll:
Well I think I figure... :?
But I'm not quite sure...
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*sigh
So, one does believe in god and the other doesn't, or doesn't know, jeez, what's so hard to understand about that?
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I don't think I like you very much :?
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I find it increidiby hard to believe there's a God when in the same year a friend and my cousin had a brain tumor, and my parents divorced. My friend is well now, but my cousin isn't doing well at all, and last month he had a seizure and doctors couldn't do anything for him at all. He was only supposed to live a day or two.
And now, a month later, he's still alive. But I think when things like that happen it definitely lowers your amount of faith in Him. I've been brought up to believe in organized Reigion, going to Mass every Sunday and Holy Day (of obligation - even Thanksgiving which isn't a Holy Day but damn well should be) with Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit, so that's what I'm going to do from now until . . . Who knows when.
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I don't think I like you very much :?
:roflmao:
why??
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Now, Now, Chilluns - If I can learn to keep what I think to myself, anyone can.
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then I will
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Thank you, Child :D
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Thank you, Child :D
Bye Mother Theresa, here's Mother CeCe
:lol:
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SISTAH Cece . . . SISTAH.
:D
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SISTAH Cece . . . SISTAH.
:D
pardon, excuse moi, excuseert u mij
Ofcourse I meant Sistah CeCe
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if he wants me to believe then he knows where to find me :roll:
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I don't think I like you very much :?
Si's very nice - just a little...blunt...sometimes...
We :heart: Si :D
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8)
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I'm not sure... :?
are you serious? :|
Absolutely
If she don't believe in a god, GOOD FOR HER. Let her believe what she wants! That's one of the things that completly kept me away from religion was how people get sooooo pushy and insist that their religion is the only way. No one REALLY knows if their going to a heaven or not. We'll find out soon enough.
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one of the things that completly kept me away from religion was how people get sooooo pushy and insist that their religion is the only way. No one REALLY knows if their going to a heaven or not. We'll find out soon enough.
Right!!
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yes, the whole God thing is very questionable, and i don't like to be pushed either (and believe me living in "the bible belt" of the US isn't always the greatest thing when it comes to that)..and unless someone is like praying to satan, i think all religions (or choice of not having one) should be a respected thing...if it's not what you think (in terms of God) i think you should at the very least try to respect that persons' opinion.../rant before i just fill a whole post repeating the same sentence.
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Believing in Jesus as the one and only savior is a better question, the one that actually matters.
Errr why? :?
And i don't know whether i believe in God. I have a strong dislike of calling God 'him', and i have a strong dislike of the formality used in church- i hate people that talk down to me and preach. One of my best friends used to do that all the time, and say things like "No offence rosie, but you're not going to go to heaven if you're not a Christian." And i find that kind of arrogance unbearable.
In philosophy we are doing arguments for the existence of God, its just hard when none of them actually work.
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If she don't believe in a god, GOOD FOR HER. Let her believe what she wants! That's one of the things that completly kept me away from religion was how people get sooooo pushy and insist that their religion is the only way. No one REALLY knows if their going to a heaven or not. We'll find out soon enough.
I never said anything ok? I just thought she did that's all
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If she don't believe in a god, GOOD FOR HER. Let her believe what she wants! That's one of the things that completly kept me away from religion was how people get sooooo pushy and insist that their religion is the only way. No one REALLY knows if their going to a heaven or not. We'll find out soon enough.
I never said anything ok? I just thought she did that's all
Do we need to talk about this? :?
PM me if something's wrong, hun...
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Believing in Jesus as the one and only savior is a better question, the one that actually matters.
Errr why? :?
Yeah...I don't quite get that either... :?
And i don't know whether i believe in God. I have a strong dislike of calling God 'him', and i have a strong dislike of the formality used in church- i hate people that talk down to me and preach. One of my best friends used to do that all the time, and say things like "No offence rosie, but you're not going to go to heaven if you're not a Christian." And i find that kind of arrogance unbearable.
Right there with ya...
I know people that believe only Muslims will go to heaven etc. :roll:
In philosophy we are doing arguments for the existence of God, its just hard when none of them actually work.
That's what I think... :?
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
lol...
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
This is true. We cannot say God is real, there's no way to prove it (besides completely biased beliefs, (Creation which I believe strongly in, etc.) - which is a fun way to do things. Faith is there to test your strength! I think there's a Gospel or something of the sort where God tests someone, and He's all, "Yeah just to test you." You believeee God's out there, regardless if you have proof. Faith is proofless!
Was that good enough?
No, I'm not a Baptist.
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No, I'm not a Baptist.
Yes I believe everyone here knows your catholic...haha!!
Good points though!
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No, I'm not a Baptist.
Baptist scare me 8O
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No, I'm not a Baptist.
Baptist scare me 8O
i second that
Amanda
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
i agree. you don't have to be a certain organized religion to believe in God, or any higher power. My best friend is Agnostic. She doesn't like the whole organized religion thing. She just believes that there is a higher power somewhere, and whatever it is is laughing its ass off at us. Which i get, because doesn't it say in First Corinthians that God is not divided? I mean, really, who cares WHAT you are if you're basically worshiping the same God? .*stopbabbling*
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its great to see some people believe in him here but regardless of the proof.....i don't need any because he's proved enough already and i know he IS there...and i know someday he will come back ......
i have a really strong belief...
why some people i think are just afraid ....of some things..its not BS
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
I truly believe in god, yeah we can't see him, so what? that doesn't mean he's not there.
You dont have to see something to believe it, you should just believe and have faith that it does exist.
:roll:
Manda
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
People want answers, so god can be the answer to how we got here. You won't know now, and you will find out soon. Maybe you do die and nothing further happens, no reincarnation, no after life. Who knows, maybe we will come back as animals. You'll find out when you die.
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thats your opinion, and I respect it.
:D
Sunday School
Little Mary was not the best student in Sunday School. Usually she slept through the class. One day the teacher called on her while she was napping, ''Tell me, Mary, who created the universe?'' When Mary didn't stir, little Johnny, an altruistic boy seated in the chair behind her, took a pin and jabbed her in the rear. ''God Almighty !'' shouted Mary and the teacher said, ''Very good'' and Mary fell back to sleep.
A while later the teacher asked Mary, ''Who is our Lord and Savior?'' But Mary didn't even stir from her slumber. Once again, Johnny came to the rescue and stuck her again. ''Jesus Christ!'' shouted Mary and the teacher said, ''Very good,'' and Mary fell back to sleep. Then the teacher asked Mary a third question, ''What did Eve say to Adam after she had her twenty-third child?'' And again, Johnny jabbed her with the pin. This time Mary jumped up and shouted, ''If you stick that damn thing in me one more time, I'll break it in half!'' The Teacher fainted.
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
lol...
Yeah I was going for irony there . . . :D
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
evolution comes to mind here...
Little Mary was not the best student in Sunday School. Usually she slept through the class. One day the teacher called on her while she was napping, ''Tell me, Mary, who created the universe?'' When Mary didn't stir, little Johnny, an altruistic boy seated in the chair behind her, took a pin and jabbed her in the rear. ''God Almighty !'' shouted Mary and the teacher said, ''Very good'' and Mary fell back to sleep.
A while later the teacher asked Mary, ''Who is our Lord and Savior?'' But Mary didn't even stir from her slumber. Once again, Johnny came to the rescue and stuck her again. ''Jesus Christ!'' shouted Mary and the teacher said, ''Very good,'' and Mary fell back to sleep. Then the teacher asked Mary a third question, ''What did Eve say to Adam after she had her twenty-third child?'' And again, Johnny jabbed her with the pin. This time Mary jumped up and shouted, ''If you stick that damn thing in me one more time, I'll break it in half!'' The Teacher fainted.
LMAO!
:roflmao:
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yes it does doesn't it?
Little Mary, what a wonderful student by the way.
hehe
:wink:
Manda
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
lol
ever heard of a little thing called evolution..?
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so your saying evolution means we plopped out of the sky?
Manda
:wink:
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so your saying evolution means we plopped out of the sky?
Manda
:wink:
did I write that then?
lol
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
i agree. you don't have to be a certain organized religion to believe in God, or any higher power. My best friend is Agnostic. She doesn't like the whole organized religion thing. She just believes that there is a higher power somewhere, and whatever it is is laughing its ass off at us.
To quote Aristotle: 'The gods are too fond of a laugh.'
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
i agree. you don't have to be a certain organized religion to believe in God, or any higher power. My best friend is Agnostic. She doesn't like the whole organized religion thing. She just believes that there is a higher power somewhere, and whatever it is is laughing its ass off at us.
To quote Aristotle: 'The gods are too fond of a laugh.'
LOL that's a great quote :-P
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That's why they invented the word FAITH :D
(psssst someone back me up here)
i agree. you don't have to be a certain organized religion to believe in God, or any higher power. My best friend is Agnostic. She doesn't like the whole organized religion thing. She just believes that there is a higher power somewhere, and whatever it is is laughing its ass off at us.
To quote Aristotle: 'The gods are too fond of a laugh.'
LOL that's a great quote :-P
It's one of my faves :)
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
Oh please, don't make me send you my 3000 word essay on Evolution and the Biblical concept of creation. You are just choosing to ignore the evidence.
This BS on not understanding how people can't believe in god- ever stop to think that maybe you're wrong and God doesn't exist? That is just as much a possibility.
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
Oh please, don't make me send you my 3000 word essay on Evolution and the Biblical concept of creation. You are just choosing to ignore the evidence.
This BS on not understanding how people can't believe in god- ever stop to think that maybe you're wrong and God doesn't exist? That is just as much a possibility.
a 3000 word essay on the biblical concept of creation? from you, I dont think so. I'm not ignoring evidence, I believe in god, you might not, you might want me to think "though what if he doesn't exist?" but I'm not going to think that way, I truly believe in him, when I was asked questions when being confirmed I stayed true to the promises I made to god, I didn't just say "I do" for nothing, I said it with meaning, when I said those two words, I said them to god, to my family, to eveyone dear to me.
It might be a possibility to you, but to me, I am not for one second going to think/believe that he might not exist.
You might, I'm not.
I'm a strong believer in god.
Manda
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
Oh please, don't make me send you my 3000 word essay on Evolution and the Biblical concept of creation. You are just choosing to ignore the evidence.
This BS on not understanding how people can't believe in god- ever stop to think that maybe you're wrong and God doesn't exist? That is just as much a possibility.
a 3000 word essay on the biblical concept of creation? from you, I dont think so. I'm not ignoring evidence, I believe in god, you might not, you might want me to think "though what if he doesn't exist?" but I'm not going to think that way, I truly believe in him, when I was asked questions when being confirmed I stayed true to the promises I made to god, I didn't just say "I do" for nothing, I said it with meaning, when I said those two words, I said them to god, to my family, to eveyone dear to me.
It might be a possibility to you, but to me, I am not for one second going to think/believe that he might not exist.
You might, I'm not.
I'm a strong believer in god.
Manda
I think you fail to recieve the point i'm making. Believing in God doesn't somehow make you more morally valid than me, nor does it make you a better person. What you fail to see is how people can choose not to believe in God, and they have legitimate reasons for doing so- i never asked you to consider whether god exists or not, i asked you to consider that you might be in the wrong and that not everyone has to follow the beliefs you hold to lead a life considered acceptable- it is an ignorant life to lead.
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
Oh please, don't make me send you my 3000 word essay on Evolution and the Biblical concept of creation. You are just choosing to ignore the evidence.
This BS on not understanding how people can't believe in god- ever stop to think that maybe you're wrong and God doesn't exist? That is just as much a possibility.
a 3000 word essay on the biblical concept of creation? from you, I dont think so.
I honestly think you should be more respectful, she hasn't said anything disrespectful about you or your faith, she's only stated the possibility of there being other options. I think that comment of yours was very rude and unnecessary.
Btw Rosie doesn't need to prove you she's written a 3000 word essay, though we all know she's smart enough for that and a lot more. Now I'll shut up or I'll start sounding as rude as you.
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I just dont see how people can not believe in god?
what do you think the dirt made you?
you just plopped out of the sky?
Oh please, don't make me send you my 3000 word essay on Evolution and the Biblical concept of creation. You are just choosing to ignore the evidence.
This BS on not understanding how people can't believe in god- ever stop to think that maybe you're wrong and God doesn't exist? That is just as much a possibility.
a 3000 word essay on the biblical concept of creation? from you, I dont think so. I'm not ignoring evidence, I believe in god, you might not, you might want me to think "though what if he doesn't exist?" but I'm not going to think that way, I truly believe in him, when I was asked questions when being confirmed I stayed true to the promises I made to god, I didn't just say "I do" for nothing, I said it with meaning, when I said those two words, I said them to god, to my family, to eveyone dear to me.
It might be a possibility to you, but to me, I am not for one second going to think/believe that he might not exist.
You might, I'm not.
I'm a strong believer in god.
Manda
I think you fail to recieve the point i'm making. Believing in God doesn't somehow make you more morally valid than me, nor does it make you a better person. What you fail to see is how people can choose not to believe in God, and they have legitimate reasons for doing so- i never asked you to consider whether god exists or not, i asked you to consider that you might be in the wrong and that not everyone has to follow the beliefs you hold to lead a life considered acceptable- it is an ignorant life to lead.
You seem to think that I am not understanding your "point." I never said that believing in god makes me more morally valid than you or anyone else for that matter. I never said it made me a better person either. I said I believe in god, and when I was confirmed and said those words that I made a promise. I am not making others believe what I believe either, I'm not preaching or telling people, "oh be catholic, you must be catholic, because we believe in one almighty god, oh you must be catholic!" I'm not saying that. You might want to consider if he does exist or not, thats your choice. I respect it.
I think he does exist.
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you stick wth your beliefs, I'll stick with mine.
lets end this.
:D
Manda
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I think you fail to recieve the point i'm making. Believing in God doesn't somehow make you more morally valid than me, nor does it make you a better person. What you fail to see is how people can choose not to believe in God, and they have legitimate reasons for doing so- i never asked you to consider whether god exists or not, i asked you to consider that you might be in the wrong and that not everyone has to follow the beliefs you hold to lead a life considered acceptable- it is an ignorant life to lead.
You seem to think that I am not understanding your "point." I never said that believing in god makes me more morally valid than you or anyone else for that matter. I never said it made me a better person either. I said I believe in god, and when I was confirmed and said those words that I made a promise. I am not making others believe what I believe either, I'm not preaching or telling people, "oh be catholic, you must be catholic, because we believe in one almighty god, oh you must be catholic!" I'm not saying that. You might want to consider if he does exist or not, thats your choice. I respect it.
I think he does exist.
You certainly implied a superiority. Maybe you want to re-read your post. You may not be preaching but you are being closeminded. I accept the fact that you and many other people believe in God but you don't seem to see as acceptable the fact that people even doubt the existence of god, instead of believing in him wholeheartedly like you.
Your last point seems to somewhat contradict your first post- which is that you can't understand "how people can not believe in god" and now its 'my choice' to consider whether or not God exists? Go figure...
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whatever you say, missy.
You can do as you please, believe in him, or not.
I dont really care.
:D
I'm going to believe in him, because I do, with all my heart.
Manda
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I said I believe in god, and when I was confirmed and said those words that I made a promise. I am not making others believe what I believe either, I'm not preaching or telling people, "oh be catholic, you must be catholic, because we believe in one almighty god, oh you must be catholic!" I'm not saying that. You might want to consider if he does exist or not, thats your choice. I respect it.
I think he does exist.
I find this really interesting. Because before I got confirmed, I almost didn't. I mean, it wasn't until I questioned my faith and what I was saying in church that I realized how much I did believe. maybe i took your posts wrong, but it seems like you think that any questioning is bad. I just want to present a different point of view to you. Sometimes questioning isn' that bad of a thing. *shrugs* just my opinion...
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I said I believe in god, and when I was confirmed and said those words that I made a promise. I am not making others believe what I believe either, I'm not preaching or telling people, "oh be catholic, you must be catholic, because we believe in one almighty god, oh you must be catholic!" I'm not saying that. You might want to consider if he does exist or not, thats your choice. I respect it.
I think he does exist.
I find this really interesting. Because before I got confirmed, I almost didn't. I mean, it wasn't until I questioned my faith and what I was saying in church that I realized how much I did believe. maybe i took your posts wrong, but it seems like you think that any questioning is bad. I just want to present a different point of view to you. Sometimes questioning isn' that bad of a thing. *shrugs* just my opinion...
I think your right, I like your opinion by the way. Questioning isn't that bad of a thing, thanks for pointing that out to me.
I have questioned my faith/god many times, but never after I was confirmed. I'm glad you expressed your opinion to me, I respect that very much.
Manda :wink:
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I personally believe in God. I didn't use to though. Only have for maybe 6 years or so? And only seriously for maybe 3 of the 6. I go to a non-denominational church. It's really different from what I grew up with (which is what turned me away from the whole church thing). I grew up around very straight-laced and serious people who thought music was the devil, except for Jesus music (which is what I call church music...lol). They were always preaching down to me and wouldn't let anything slide. Way too serious people. That was for about the first 16 years of my life. Sounds nice, huh? Then I wandered into a church one day and it was so different from anything I'd ever seen. There was a band with really good music, none of that hymnal crap (no offense to anyone else, but it always makes me sleepy). It was loud and sounded like rock and roll. I was only going to stay for the music bit because that's what caught my ear. Then I found out that the guy singing was the church's pastor/preacher. He was loud, and funny, and he let everyone know that everyone else was human. He didn't tell everyone to get out their Bibles and to "turn with him"...lol...He just wanted everyone to really listen and grasp what he was saying. I even saw a woman's leg literally grow right in front of my eyes. Itw as really trippy, but it was real as real can be. That day totally changed my life. The cool thing about religion is that everyone has their own way of expressing themselves. This is my way, and I always enjoy hearing other peoples as well. There's always things one can learn from other people and their cultures/backgrounds.
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Yes I do believe in God. Why? To me, the existence of God is the only reasonable explaination for the existence of the universe. As for the specifics of God, I believe in the Judeo-Christian God because the biblical account of all history makes best sense of the evidence that we have today. Faith plays a part, of course, as it does in everything but I don't consider it a blind faith or a faith without basis in the physical world or mankind's study of it.
I find this really interesting. Because before I got confirmed, I almost didn't. I mean, it wasn't until I questioned my faith and what I was saying in church that I realized how much I did believe. maybe i took your posts wrong, but it seems like you think that any questioning is bad. I just want to present a different point of view to you. Sometimes questioning isn' that bad of a thing. *shrugs* just my opinion...
Well said. I completely agree. Nobody ever found the truth about anything without asking questions.
-Kev
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I'd have to go with a no on this one...
I never had any faith in all that stuff. My family is Catholic and tried to pass it down to me. I have the 3 sacrements because I forced to. Therefore, I'd liek to say I have a good taste for some type of Religion. When I was 7 I can remember questioning what nuns would tell me at Sunday school. I thought it was story time class! hah It was all like mythology to me. Along with not having any faith... organized religion does not tickle my fancy. I don't agree with a lot of it. And people love to ask me who I think I got here... but really now... does it matter? What matters is that we are, no need to waste your time and think about it because you will never know 100%.
Also I'd like to think that I don't need fear to guide me in any direction.
I <3 Atheism!
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I said I believe in god, and when I was confirmed and said those words that I made a promise. I am not making others believe what I believe either, I'm not preaching or telling people, "oh be catholic, you must be catholic, because we believe in one almighty god, oh you must be catholic!" I'm not saying that. You might want to consider if he does exist or not, thats your choice. I respect it.
I think he does exist.
I find this really interesting. Because before I got confirmed, I almost didn't. I mean, it wasn't until I questioned my faith and what I was saying in church that I realized how much I did believe. maybe i took your posts wrong, but it seems like you think that any questioning is bad. I just want to present a different point of view to you. Sometimes questioning isn' that bad of a thing. *shrugs* just my opinion...
I think your right, I like your opinion by the way. Questioning isn't that bad of a thing, thanks for pointing that out to me.
I have questioned my faith/god many times, but never after I was confirmed. I'm glad you expressed your opinion to me, I respect that very much.
Manda :wink:
I still question whether i want to remain confirmed, because there are some things about the Catholic views on things such as abortion, homosexuality, and annulment that i don't agree with. But, i figure that shouldn't matter just as long as I belive in God. Anywhose, I just think you need to maybe broaden your thinking when you post. It does seem like you are somewhat closed-minded on Rosie's posts, and maybe you aren't, but that's how you are coming across. Not trying to bash you or anything, just trying to explain it in a way that you wont get extremely defensive.
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Then I wandered into a church one day and it was so different from anything I'd ever seen. There was a band with really good music, none of that hymnal crap (no offense to anyone else, but it always makes me sleepy). It was loud and sounded like rock and roll. I was only going to stay for the music bit because that's what caught my ear. Then I found out that the guy singing was the church's pastor/preacher. He was loud, and funny, and he let everyone know that everyone else was human. He didn't tell everyone to get out their Bibles and to "turn with him"...lol...He just wanted everyone to really listen and grasp what he was saying.
ooh cool, my cousin goes to a Church like that. when she told me there was i band i was all 8O it sounds like fun!
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I said I believe in god, and when I was confirmed and said those words that I made a promise. I am not making others believe what I believe either, I'm not preaching or telling people, "oh be catholic, you must be catholic, because we believe in one almighty god, oh you must be catholic!" I'm not saying that. You might want to consider if he does exist or not, thats your choice. I respect it.
I think he does exist.
I find this really interesting. Because before I got confirmed, I almost didn't. I mean, it wasn't until I questioned my faith and what I was saying in church that I realized how much I did believe. maybe i took your posts wrong, but it seems like you think that any questioning is bad. I just want to present a different point of view to you. Sometimes questioning isn' that bad of a thing. *shrugs* just my opinion...
I think your right, I like your opinion by the way. Questioning isn't that bad of a thing, thanks for pointing that out to me.
I have questioned my faith/god many times, but never after I was confirmed. I'm glad you expressed your opinion to me, I respect that very much.
Manda :wink:
I still question whether i want to remain confirmed, because there are some things about the Catholic views on things such as abortion, homosexuality, and annulment that i don't agree with. But, i figure that shouldn't matter just as long as I belive in God. Anywhose, I just think you need to maybe broaden your thinking when you post. It does seem like you are somewhat closed-minded on Rosie's posts, and maybe you aren't, but that's how you are coming across. Not trying to bash you or anything, just trying to explain it in a way that you wont get extremely defensive.
I dont agree with some things, but I do believe in god.
Manda
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Catholicism has become a very, very tolerant Church within the past, urgh, I'd guess, 30 or 40 years. However, it's still being criticized and ridiculed and each time the Church is becoming more and more passive, but it still has people up its ass, which is irritating. The Spanish Inquisition is one of the only things people have against the Church. Well, that and the Sex Abuse Scandal going on. But people have been totally stereotypical through that shit, and since all these people were abused 25+ years ago by priests, we're all just going to hate Catholics altogether. Hypothetically, if a group of Asian men were to molest kids, would you sun all Asians? Hmmm? Or, you know, how long ago was it were those 3 or 4 women killed their kids? Would you label all women as murderers? CHILD murderers, at that? No . . . Because women and Asians were never as dominating and narrow-minded and hateful as the Church WAS. See? And all these people who sued the Church (Arch Dioscese, etc.) - Where is there money going? How many of those people actually used their compensation(s) for psychologic needs? All of us little Catholic chilluns' schools are suffering enough, and now these selfish-ass people are taking money which would've gone for financial aid at Catholic Schools, and people can't pay for their child(ren) to go to Catholic School so - BAM! They pull them out and take them to Public School.
No one thinks these days.
Catholicism has become a very, very tolerant Church within the past, urgh, I'd guess, 30 or 40 years.
This is true, so WHY is everyone talking about the "badness" of the Church? The Catholic Church is such a powerful denomination and, I believe, people are intimidated by this. Believe me - Has anyone heard of Baptists or "Baptist Church"? These people are a hell of a lot more narrow-minded TODAY than the Church has been in 150 years. And 'tis true. So, why not criticize Baptists next time you want to criticize any denomination?
Love, Cecilia :D
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Catholicism has become a very, very tolerant Church within the past, urgh, I'd guess, 30 or 40 years. However, it's still being criticized and ridiculed and each time the Church is becoming more and more passive, but it still has people up its ass, which is irritating. The Spanish Inquisition is one of the only things people have against the Church. Well, that and the Sex Abuse Scandal going on. But people have been totally stereotypical through that shit, and since all these people were abused 25+ years ago by priests, we're all just going to hate Catholics altogether. Hypothetically, if a group of Asian men were to molest kids, would you sun all Asians? Hmmm? Or, you know, how long ago was it were those 3 or 4 women killed their kids? Would you label all women as murderers? CHILD murderers, at that? No . . . Because women and Asians were never as dominating and narrow-minded and hateful as the Church WAS. See? And all these people who sued the Church (Arch Dioscese, etc.) - Where is there money going? How many of those people actually used their compensation(s) for psychologic needs? All of us little Catholic chilluns' schools are suffering enough, and now these selfish-ass people are taking money which would've gone for financial aid at Catholic Schools, and people can't pay for their child(ren) to go to Catholic School so - BAM! They pull them out and take them to Public School.
No one thinks these days.
Catholicism has become a very, very tolerant Church within the past, urgh, I'd guess, 30 or 40 years.
This is true, so WHY is everyone talking about the "badness" of the Church? The Catholic Church is such a powerful denomination and, I believe, people are intimidated by this. Believe me - Has anyone heard of Baptists or "Baptist Church"? These people are a hell of a lot more narrow-minded TODAY than the Church has been in 150 years. And 'tis true. So, why not criticize Baptists next time you want to criticize any denomination?
Love, Cecilia :D
Errr no no and no again- the point about the sex abuse in the Catholic church is that religion is often at the centre of society and priests are people you can (supposedly) trust, seek support and advice from, they are supposed to be pure- and then some of them go and abuse little boys. The point isn't about asians or women, blah blah blah- its about the point that it goes so starkly against everything the Catholic church stands for.
And secondly, so what the catholic church has become more tolerant? It hasn't become tolerant enough. It still discriminates against gay people, it still makes blatantly wrong statements about AIDs and condoms which will subsequently kill millions of people. And do you know what? In a way i am intimidated by the Catholic church, because it abuses its power so badly and i wonder who they will target next.
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yes...i do believe in god. in fact i pray quite often. but i'm not really into all the biblical stuff, i do believe Jesus existed, but i don't really believe all of the stuff like that, but i do believe in god.
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Catholicism has become a very, very tolerant Church within the past, urgh, I'd guess, 30 or 40 years. However, it's still being criticized and ridiculed and each time the Church is becoming more and more passive, but it still has people up its ass, which is irritating. The Spanish Inquisition is one of the only things people have against the Church.
And the selling of indulgences, the crusades, the holy roman empire, cardinal richelu (among other corrupt cardinals who got into government), their stance on homosexuality, women in the priesthood, historical refusal to acknowledge the holocaust, persecution of science, stance on safe sex etc etc etc.
The church has many thing it has done (and still does) wrong. Is it getting better? Yes. Is it GOOD? No. It's still got a long ways to go. Which is why I am no longer catholic.
Yes, there are other churches that are worse. But none with as much influence as the catholic church.
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1) Rosie, we target no one. Gays (when they practice sodimy and things) are defeating the purpose of sex. Sex is not for pleasure or anything, its point is to reproduce and keep making going. If you're a gay Catholic, you're not supposed to . . . yeah. You just don't marry. And live a life of solitude.
2) With condoms, the same deal. True, condoms help to NOT spread STDs like AIDs, VD, etc. - But if people didn't have sex 'til they were married which was the original plan, we wouldn't have to worry about that.
3) Priests . . . That whole thing about Asians and women was meant to be totally hypothetical. The thing with going against everything the Church stands for, that's true. I believe that. But, it's not JUST Catholic priests doing that. It's men - whether they're Jewish, Catholic, Atheists, black, white. So what I'm saying is these people are suing Arch Dioscese when that's like, if my Mom killed a guy, people suing the University where she works. The university could NOT control my Mom's killing of that guy. So why sue it?
4) Tolerant enough? No one is going to be able to put up with EVERYTHING - Especially when half of the crap is shit that's going against his or her beliefs ("his or her" being the Church).
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Well, there are many gods but if you are wondering if I beleive in God than ya.
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And the selling of indulgences, the crusades, the holy roman empire, cardinal richelu (among other corrupt cardinals who got into government), their stance on homosexuality, women in the priesthood, historical refusal to acknowledge the holocaust, persecution of science, stance on safe sex etc etc etc.
Indulgences were crap. People didn't even brush their teeth in that day, how were they supposed to know about indulgences? OH! Right - Martin Luther, that guy who was a bitch about everything. - We were defending the Holy Land from the MUSLIMS - Hey! Isn't America fighting the Muslims and Iraq for . . . Oil? But oil is a hell of a lot more important than the Holy Land. - It's tradition, Andrew, the priesthood thing. Women do certain things, men do certain things. (I'm gonna get the shit yelled at me for that.) - Persecution of Science? Well, excusez-moi, but we/they persecute/d those who believe/d in all that scientific crap. We/They persecute/d those with seperate beliefs from ours/theirs. Now, what is half of America doing to the Church?
Yes, there are other churches that are worse. But none with as much influence as the catholic church.
So the Church has more influence than anyone and 'tis more intimidating, so let's go against it even though there are worse Churches that we should be complaining about . . . ?
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We were defending the Holy Land from the MUSLIMS
:-\ Is this a justification of the crusades? Unless "defending the Holy Land" involves murder, rape and gold. It's not a very good justification. No, the crusades were are unjustifiable.
-Kev
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Indulgences were crap. People didn't even brush their teeth in that day, how were they supposed to know about indulgences? OH! Right - Martin Luther, that guy who was a bitch about everything.
Do you understand the concept of selling indulgences? Basically, it meant that if I was rich I could go rape a 14 year old girl, but then pay the church 15,000 dollars and the little girls family a couple grand more and it was all ok.
Are you defending this idea? Does this in ANY way seem right?
- We were defending the Holy Land from the MUSLIMS - Hey! Isn't America fighting the Muslims and Iraq for . . . Oil? But oil is a hell of a lot more important than the Holy Land.
The crusades weren't DEFENDING anything. They were an attack. An attack over ego. The muslims weren't hurting the western religion's "holy lands". THey consider that area just as holy as we do.
- It's tradition, Andrew, the priesthood thing. Women do certain things, men do certain things. (I'm gonna get the shit yelled at me for that.) - Persecution of Science? Well, excusez-moi, but we/they persecute/d those who believe/d in all that scientific crap. We/They persecute/d those with seperate beliefs from ours/theirs. Now, what is half of America doing to the Church?
Tradition is not a reason to do something. Tradition is a weakness. Do something because it is RIGHT not because that is the way it has ALWAYS been done.
As for the whole gay thing, atleast the church is consistent. The church says sex should not be done for pleasure NO MATTER WHO it is with. That is their stance on being Gay and being straight. Sex if to have children, the end.
The church did more than just deny science. In times past, the church would persecute and kill scientists who exposed ideas about the universe (hello gallileo!) that the church did not like. The church may have set back human science hundreds of years.
Plus, i didn't say it was OK for people to persecute catholics. I never defended that notion. I am just saying what is WRONG with the catholic church. There is NO organized religion that i cannot pick apart for various reasons. They are all full of hypocrisy and BS.
So the Church has more influence than anyone and 'tis more intimidating, so let's go against it even though there are worse Churches that we should be complaining about . . . ?
Trust me. I complain about the southern baptists, the muslims, the jews, the fundamental christians, the luterans, the mormons (more than most!) and the Jehova's Witnesses. They all suck. I'm just lumping the catholics in there with them.
Edit @ CeCe - On a side note, the Church isn't getting sued BECAUSE their priests molested children. no no no no. Just like you said, the church is an employer and the church could use that as a defense. No. The church is getting sued because it KNEW about the incidents and COVERED THEM UP intentionally.
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I seem to remember a huge argument over religion and people's beliefs in the OT section about 6 months ago.......I think people need to just get over the fact that others will believe what they feel is right whether it is or isnt right. You dont like what someone believes? Well woopity doo,suck it up
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There is NO organized religion that i cannot pick apart for various reasons. They are all full of hypocrisy and BS.
It's worth pointing out that anybody can look at the history and statements of any non-trivial organisation and expose hypocrisy and BS. From Microsoft to The Catholic church to the KKK. Because people misunderstand and misinterpret intentionally for their own ends or unintentionally. The ability to pick these organisations apart only demonstrates people's limitless ignorance. People will lie to further their own agenda and others will follow blindly in ignorance (e.g. the crusades). Deception and ignorance is the problem not the religion itself. Too many people fail to make the seperation between the actions of the so-called "church" and the the religion itself. The seperation should be made but rarely is.
No. The church is getting sued because it KNEW about the incidents and COVERED THEM UP intentionally.
I do wonder why the Church is getting sued. Why aren't people being arrested?
-Kev
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Sex is not for pleasure or anything, its point is to reproduce and keep making going.
if this was true, then why was sex made pleasurable?
and I agree a lot with what Andrew said...which is unusual.
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Sex is not for pleasure or anything, its point is to reproduce and keep making going.
if this was true, then why was sex made pleasurable?
and I agree a lot with what Andrew said...which is unusual.
To balance out the pain of birth lol
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Because, Joey! When you get married, you're supposed to be like, "Yes! I can have sex - Awesome!" And the, ahem, pleasure is the greatness of it, otherwise there'd be no reason to have sex other than reproducing and obviously we don't care about that anymore. Though, urgh, pre-marital sex being badness is one of the few things the Church practice which I'm not for. That statement contradicts half of what I just sad in earlier posts, which goes to show I was just stating what the Church does and doesn't believe.
And Andrew's right about the whole indulgences thing. However, that was a hell of a long time ago, no one should be shit-faced about it unless they were arund in that day. The only thing I have is still the women being priests thing, I'll have to look that up because I know there's a reason they're not and can't be.
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Plus I read the bible once and wondered why God punished Adam and Eve (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished them...
When what they did evil was to eat from the tree of knowledge...but wouldn't you need knowledge to know the difference between good and evil.
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Plus I read the bible once and wondered why God punished Adam and Eve (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished them...
When what they did evil was to eat from the tree of knowledge...but wouldn't you need knowledge to know the difference between good and evil.
wow
deep, dude
hee
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Plus I read the bible once and wondered why God punished Adam and Eve (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished them...
When what they did evil was to eat from the tree of knowledge...but wouldn't you need knowledge to know the difference between good and evil.
wow
deep, dude
hee
There are many problems with the bible
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Tradition is not a reason to do something. Tradition is a weakness. Do something because it is RIGHT not because that is the way it has ALWAYS been done.
I could not agree more.
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Plus I read the bible once and wondered why God punished Adam and Eve (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished them...
When what they did evil was to eat from the tree of knowledge...but wouldn't you need knowledge to know the difference between good and evil.
But god told them not to eat from the tree....wasnt that the knowledge they needed to know not to eat from the tree?
and conscience is different from knowledge..you need conscience to know the difference between right and wrong..knowledge will only help influence the decision based on your conscience
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Plus I read the bible once and wondered why God punished Adam and Eve (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished them...
When what they did evil was to eat from the tree of knowledge...but wouldn't you need knowledge to know the difference between good and evil.
No. God did not necessarily punish Adam and Eve because they did something that they knew was evil. God commanded them not to eat from the tree of knowledge and explained to them the consiquences of disobeying this command (Gen 2:16). Whether they knew the difference between good and evil at that point is irrelevant, they knew the command and the consiquences. This is even assuming that Adam and Eve did not know that disobeying God was wrong from the beginning, although I see no scriptural basis for this assumption, it is clear that not all knowledge came from the tree (as Pete said).
-Kev
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Plus I read the bible once and wondered why God punished Adam and Eve (Gen 3:5), they did something evil so God punished them...
When what they did evil was to eat from the tree of knowledge...but wouldn't you need knowledge to know the difference between good and evil.
No. God did not necessarily punish Adam and Eve because they did something that they knew was evil. God commanded them not to eat from the tree of knowledge and explained to them the consiquences of disobeying this command (Gen 2:16). Whether they knew the difference between good and evil at that point is irrelevant, they knew the command and the consiquences. This is even assuming that Adam and Eve did not know that disobeying God was wrong from the beginning, although I see no scriptural basis for this assumption, it is clear that not all knowledge came from the tree (as Pete said).
-Kev
*coughcough hence they had the knowledge to not eat from the tree cough cough* /hehe
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It's worth pointing out that anybody can look at the history and statements of any non-trivial organisation and expose hypocrisy and BS. From Microsoft to The Catholic church to the KKK. Because people misunderstand and misinterpret intentionally for their own ends or unintentionally. The ability to pick these organisations apart only demonstrates people's limitless ignorance. People will lie to further their own agenda and others will follow blindly in ignorance (e.g. the crusades). Deception and ignorance is the problem not the religion itself. Too many people fail to make the seperation between the actions of the so-called "church" and the the religion itself. The seperation should be made but rarely is.
You can always find fault and hypocrisy in major organizations because they all are made up of individuals and individuals sometimes disagree, make mistakes, lie, cheat, steal etc.
If an organization were started by, run by, and ruled by 1 person (or effectively 1 person) FOREVER and that person were pure and good then you wouldn't see major issues. Hence, Ben and Jerry's for the past 5 years before they sold out.
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Because, Joey! When you get married, you're supposed to be like, "Yes! I can have sex - Awesome!" And the, ahem, pleasure is the greatness of it, otherwise there'd be no reason to have sex other than reproducing and obviously we don't care about that anymore. Though, urgh, pre-marital sex being badness is one of the few things the Church practice which I'm not for. That statement contradicts half of what I just sad in earlier posts, which goes to show I was just stating what the Church does and doesn't believe.
Sex is pleasureable because evolution "discovered" (used loosely for people who will nitpick at that notion) that making it pleasureable was a good way to encourage reproduction. Again, you don't need a "thinking designer" to explain this idea.
No. God did not necessarily punish Adam and Eve because they did something that they knew was evil. God commanded them not to eat from the tree of knowledge and explained to them the consiquences of disobeying this command (Gen 2:16). Whether they knew the difference between good and evil at that point is irrelevant, they knew the command and the consiquences. This is even assuming that Adam and Eve did not know that disobeying God was wrong from the beginning, although I see no scriptural basis for this assumption, it is clear that not all knowledge came from the tree (as Pete said).
The way I see it, the kind of God who would say "Hey, you can have ANYTHING in this garden you want EXCEPT this. Don't eat this." Is just out to get you anyways. Why put the fucking apples in the garden in the first place if you are just gonna tell them they can't have one? God WANTED Adam and Eve to fail? If God is GOD then God knew Eve would con Adam into eating the apple so God did it intentionally so mankind would fall.
Therfore, I blame God.
*gives God the finger*
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And Andrew's right about the whole indulgences thing. However, that was a hell of a long time ago, no one should be shit-faced about it unless they were arund in that day.
Oh well that is the biggest load of BS i have heard just about ever. "Oh no, i wasn't around during the Holocaust therefore i can't say it was wrong at aaaaall!" i do despair...
The way I see it, the kind of God who would say "Hey, you can have ANYTHING in this garden you want EXCEPT this. Don't eat this." Is just out to get you anyways. Why put the fucking apples in the garden in the first place if you are just gonna tell them they can't have one? God WANTED Adam and Eve to fail? If God is GOD then God knew Eve would con Adam into eating the apple so God did it intentionally so mankind would fall.
Therfore, I blame God.
*gives God the finger*
Oh, i told y'all don't make andrew bring out his favourite quote!! Its coming soon, i can feel it in my ermmm waters...
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You can always find fault and hypocrisy in major organizations because they all are made up of individuals and individuals sometimes disagree, make mistakes, lie, cheat, steal etc.
If an organization were started by, run by, and ruled by 1 person (or effectively 1 person) FOREVER and that person were pure and good then you wouldn't see major issues. Hence, Ben and Jerry's for the past 5 years before they sold out.
I completely agree. I just thought it worthwhile to make the point. I forget the number of times I've heard people emotionally argue that Christianity is untrue because somebody acting in in Christ's name did something terrible in the past.
The way I see it, the kind of God who would say "Hey, you can have ANYTHING in this garden you want EXCEPT this. Don't eat this." Is just out to get you anyways. Why put the fucking apples in the garden in the first place if you are just gonna tell them they can't have one? God WANTED Adam and Eve to fail? If God is GOD then God knew Eve would con Adam into eating the apple so God did it intentionally so mankind would fall.
Therfore, I blame God.
*gives God the finger*
Taking the Bible as a whole, as it should be taken. Then, despite Adam and Eve's failing, God has provided a open escape route through the work of Christ. The choice is still their for those who still want God and for those who don't. It's not as if our fates are entirely bound to that unreversable past event. Why did God do it this way? I don't know. But the door isn't shut for anyone. So in my eyes, if we fail like Adam and Eve, it's ourselves to blame. Blaming God for putting apples in the garden is like blaming KaZaA for the fact that you steal music, or blaming Colt for the fact that you shot someone. Like in every area of live, we should take responsibility for our decisions and their consiquences. Not whine that we only did it because we had oppurtunity to.
Oh, i told y'all don't make andrew bring out his favourite quote!! Its coming soon, i can feel it in my ermmm waters...
*prods Andrew with a stick* go on say it, say it. (...I actually don't know what it is)
-Kev
Edit: I'm not sure whether Colt is a firearms manufacturer or just the name of gun. So for the purposes of the analogy, pretend it's the former.
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This is gonna be such a long thread with the same remarks, only said differently, over and over
Kewl!
*prods Andrew with a stick* go on say it, say it. (...I actually don't know what it is)
-Kev
lol
I have no clue either
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This is gonna be such a long thread with the same remarks, only said differently, over and over
Kewl!
*prods Andrew with a stick* go on say it, say it. (...I actually don't know what it is)
-Kev
lol
I have no clue either
If it's anything other than a Homer Simpson quote, I'm going to be dissapointed.
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lmao
Me likes Homer Simpson
*waits for the oh-so-famous-quote by Andrew
;)
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lmao
Me likes Homer Simpson
*waits for the oh-so-famous-quote by Andrew
;)
*waits with you*
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Taking the Bible as a whole, as it should be taken. Then, despite Adam and Eve's failing, God has provided a open escape route through the work of Christ. The choice is still their for those who still want God and for those who don't. It's not as if our fates are entirely bound to that unreversable past event. Why did God do it this way? I don't know. But the door isn't shut for anyone. So in my eyes, if we fail like Adam and Eve, it's ourselves to blame. Blaming God for putting apples in the garden is like blaming KaZaA for the fact that you steal music, or blaming Colt for the fact that you shot someone. Like in every area of live, we should take responsibility for our decisions and their consiquences. Not whine that we only did it because we had oppurtunity to.
The difference in your analogy being that Colt doesn't KNOW their guns are going to be used to murder someone. God KNEW that his forbidden apples would be eaten and he put them there anyways.
If you KNEW that your little sister/child/mom was going to trip and fall on a rollerskate, fall down the stairs and die would you LEAVE the rollerskate in the hallway?!?
No. You would move it.
The God as portrayed in the old testemen is constantly murdering and killing. He took sides in wars, sent plagues, destoryed cities and even summoned animals to kill the children of the enemies of his 'chosen' people.
I refuse to believe in a "God" that would do things like that. Any higher power that would isn't "God" it's a god.
*prods Andrew with a stick* go on say it, say it. (...I actually don't know what it is)
I'm not sure which quote she's looking for. I have a bunch. There's my favorite douglas Adams quote that goes....
"God puts an apple tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden and says, do what you like guys, oh, but don't eat the apple. Surprise surprise, they eat it and he leaps out from behind a bush shouting "Gotcha." It wouldn't have made any difference if they hadn't eaten it... because if you're dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won't give up. They'll get you in the end. "
Edit: I'm not sure whether Colt is a firearms manufacturer or just the name of gun. So for the purposes of the analogy, pretend it's the former.
Colt is a firearms manufacturer.
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The difference in your analogy being that Colt doesn't KNOW their guns are going to be used to murder someone. God KNEW that his forbidden apples would be eaten and he put them there anyways.
I fail to be convinced that God having prior knowledge of a persons decision effects that persons ability to make free choice. He knew, but they still chose it. Even if God had not put the tree in the garden, being GOD He would know what they would choose if He did plant it. Why should we expect to prance robotically through life shielded from our own decisions?
If you KNEW that your little sister/child/mom was going to trip and fall on a rollerskate, fall down the stairs and die would you LEAVE the rollerskate in the hallway?!?
It would depend on what exactly I knew about death and beyond. Also what I knew about my sister's/child's/mother's future if I did move the skate. Of course, as I am, I would move the skate but my situation is hardly comparable to God's.
Colt is a firearms manufacturer.
Thanks.
-Kev
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I fail to be convinced that God having prior knowledge of a persons decision effects that persons ability to make free choice. He knew, but they still chose it. Even if God had not put the tree in the garden, being GOD He would know what they would choose if He did plant it. Why should we expect to prance robotically through life shielded from our own decisions?
I'm not talking about modern times where sin is an accepted thing. I am talking about the setting of the garden of eden where supposedly there was no sin and life was perfect. Mankind would never die nor want for food or happiness.
In this perfect place, WHY would God put something dangerous and evil?
I am not saying this affected Adam's free will in any way. Adam could have still chosen not to eat the apples. But what is the logical reason for placing something so harmful in eden?
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I mean I don't get it if heaven is your perfect place wouldn't you eventually get bored of perfection cause life would be boring if everything was perfect there would be no challenge.
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If you KNEW this poll was going to start with a debate.....why did you come in...blah blah blah...
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If you KNEW this poll was going to start with a debate.....why did you come in...blah blah blah...
Can't resist a good debate :D
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If you KNEW this poll was going to start with a debate.....why did you come in...blah blah blah...
Can't resist a good debate :D
i was not talking to you...but i'm glad someone finally agrees with me on britney being fat... :D
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...but i'm glad someone finally agrees with me on britney being fat... :D
I don't think she is fat I just think she is fatter
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...but i'm glad someone finally agrees with me on britney being fat... :D
I don't think she is fat I just think she is fatter
she's fat :mrgreen:
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I mean I don't get it if heaven is your perfect place wouldn't you eventually get bored of perfection cause life would be boring if everything was perfect there would be no challenge.
Ah ha! Excellent point and one I have considered for a while now. Awfully insightful for a 15 year old.
In my mind, Heaven would eventually become hell. We are talking about an ETERNITY here people!
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
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I mean I don't get it if heaven is your perfect place wouldn't you eventually get bored of perfection cause life would be boring if everything was perfect there would be no challenge.
Ah ha! Excellent point and one I have considered for a while now. Awfully insightful for a 15 year old.
In my mind, Heaven would eventually become hell. We are talking about an ETERNITY here people!
Yeah...*ponders*
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
:roflmao:
Andrew... :roll: :wink:
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I mean I don't get it if heaven is your perfect place wouldn't you eventually get bored of perfection cause life would be boring if everything was perfect there would be no challenge.
Ah ha! Excellent point and one I have considered for a while now. Awfully insightful for a 15 year old.
In my mind, Heaven would eventually become hell. We are talking about an ETERNITY here people!
I think heaven is life, if I were to die I would like to come back as a new person and start life all over again not even perfection is perfect.
Kinda Bhuddist don't you think...
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I'm not talking about modern times where sin is an accepted thing. I am talking about the setting of the garden of eden where supposedly there was no sin and life was perfect. Mankind would never die nor want for food or happiness.
In this perfect place, WHY would God put something dangerous and evil?
I am not saying this affected Adam's free will in any way. Adam could have still chosen not to eat the apples. But what is the logical reason for placing something so harmful in eden?
Ah, I get you. The way I see it is that the tree wasn't evil in itself, only the action of eating from it against God's will. The evil was within Adam as a free agent and would be present with or without the tree. So why not place it? To not place it would just be God kidding himself that Adam would obey His command. Also the tree wasn't all that dangerous when viewed within Christianity's big picture. From the beginning God always intended to atone for that first sin and every sin since through Christ's crucifixion and ressurection. This atonement applies to all who want it, both those before and those after Christ's sacrafice. The atonement doesn't depend upon ourselves other than to take it or refuse it, so we can't spoil it again with our actions as Adam and Eve did. Instead it depends upon the grace and faithfulness of God. The danger of the tree (and all sin, for which the tree was a picture) is gone when viewed in the light of the Gospel later on. Like Will said in another thread, most people attempt to interpret Christianity with the (non-Christian) view that this life is all there is, and all that God has for us. When taken out of context like that things get messed up.
If you KNEW this poll was going to start with a debate.....why did you come in...blah blah blah...
Debates aren't a bad thing. It's fun to pseudo-intellectualize and you always learn something you never knew previously. It's not as if anybody is throwing insults around. Besides, it's obvious from your history and this simplistic poll (that's been done many times before in one way or another) that you only started this thread to cause arguments anyway. You're now irrelevant to this thread except for being the troll that created it in vain.
-Kev
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In my mind, Heaven would eventually become hell. We are talking about an ETERNITY here people!
But compared to eternity in the real hell (lake of fire and so forth), I'd prefer heaven.
Rev 21:1 "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea."
And it's not like an eternity just for your perfect place. There will be a whole new heaven and earth to explore, commune with God at every moment.
...or have the eternal pain and misery of hell.
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I mean I don't get it if heaven is your perfect place wouldn't you eventually get bored of perfection cause life would be boring if everything was perfect there would be no challenge.
Ah ha! Excellent point and one I have considered for a while now. Awfully insightful for a 15 year old.
In my mind, Heaven would eventually become hell. We are talking about an ETERNITY here people!
Assuming of course, that bordom continues to exist on the other side.
-Kev
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In my mind, Heaven would eventually become hell. We are talking about an ETERNITY here people!
But compared to eternity in the real hell (lake of fire and so forth), I'd prefer heaven.
Rev 21:1 "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea."
And it's not like an eternity just for your perfect place. There will be a whole new heaven and earth to explore, commune with God at every moment.
...or have the eternal pain and misery of hell.
lol i was just thinking the same thing. I mean, on the one hand, you have a perfect place. on the other, a shitty place. even though i get what scott and Andrew are saying, and maybe it would be boring, but i'd rather spend eternity being bored in a nice place than being bored in a crappy place.
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this one is for the Big "G"
Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'
Plannin' and dreamin' each night of his charms
That won't get you into his arms
So if you're lookin' to find love you can share
All you gotta do is
Hold him and kiss him and love him
And show him that you care
[You gotta]
Show him that you care just for him
Do the things he likes to do
Wear your hair just for him, 'cause
You won't get him
Thinkin' and a-prayin'
Wishin' and a-hopin'
Just wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'
Plannin' and dreamin' his kiss is the start
That won't get you into his heart
So if you're lookin' to find love you can share
All you gotta do is
Hold him and kiss him and squeeze him and love him
Yeah, just do it and after you do, you will be his
[You gotta]
Show him that you care just for him
Do the things he likes to do
Wear your hair just for him, 'cause
You won't get him
Thinkin' and a-prayin'
Wishin' and a-hopin'
Just wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'
Plannin' and dreamin' his kiss is the start
That won't get you into his heart
So if you're lookin' to find love you can share
All you gotta do is
Hold him and kiss him and squeeze him and love him
Yeah, just do it and after you do, you will be his
You will be his
You will be his
Manda :razz:
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Well
Yes I believe in him.But I dont go for one thing my religion (im catholic) is base on.
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your catholic too! yippy skippy!
Manda
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I'm so lost...
whatever
but listen you sound a bit selfish judging god...
i don't care for debates anymore (obviously you being in here proves my point) ...if i learn anything..its the fact that people get too barbaric around here..and we all know this discussion on god isn't going anywhere nor will change anyones beliefs...so why the heck must you go on..
.I already understand everything..i just don't care to listen to this esp from people who argue about cows etc.. :roll:
I believe in Jesus Christ..and he's the only one i am agreeing with right now
maybe some of you don't but i do...and i always will..no debate isn't going to change that or anything else for that matter
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If you KNEW this poll was going to start with a debate.....why did you come in...blah blah blah...
Debates aren't a bad thing. It's fun to pseudo-intellectualize and you always learn something you never knew previously. It's not as if anybody is throwing insults around. Besides, it's obvious from your history and this simplistic poll (that's been done many times before in one way or another) that you only started this thread to cause arguments anyway. You're now irrelevant to this thread except for being the troll that created it in vain.
-Kev
.. :mrgreen: god still loves me
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I'm so lost...
whatever
but listen you sound a bit selfish judging god...
i don't care for debates anymore (obviously you being in here proves my point) ...if i learn anything..its the fact that people get too barbaric around here..and we all know this discussion on god isn't going anywhere nor will change anyones beliefs...so why the heck must you go on..
.I already understand everything..i just don't care to listen to this esp from people who argue about cows etc.. :roll:
I believe in Jesus Christ..and he's the only one i am agreeing with right now
maybe some of you don't but i do...and i always will..no debate isn't going to change that or anything else for that matter
I agree with you Jen, very much!
I really am feeling what you are saying, I do believe in him and I am agreeing with him right now too!
Right on Jen!!!!!!
Manda :wink:
I LOVE AND BELIEVE IN GOD, ALWAYS!
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.. :mrgreen: god still loves me
Indeed. Even trolls can't escape that.
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I'm so lost...
whatever
It means he has you on ignore.
-Kev
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......[/quote]
I agree with you today Andrew, It doesnt get any more intelligent than that
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Ah, I get you. The way I see it is that the tree wasn't evil in itself, only the action of eating from it against God's will. The evil was within Adam as a free agent and would be present with or without the tree. So why not place it? To not place it would just be God kidding himself that Adam would obey His command. Also the tree wasn't all that dangerous when viewed within Christianity's big picture. From the beginning God always intended to atone for that first sin and every sin since through Christ's crucifixion and ressurection. This atonement applies to all who want it, both those before and those after Christ's sacrafice. The atonement doesn't depend upon ourselves other than to take it or refuse it, so we can't spoil it again with our actions as Adam and Eve did. Instead it depends upon the grace and faithfulness of God. The danger of the tree (and all sin, for which the tree was a picture) is gone when viewed in the light of the Gospel later on. Like Will said in another thread, most people attempt to interpret Christianity with the (non-Christian) view that this life is all there is, and all that God has for us. When taken out of context like that things get messed up.
So are you suggesting that God, from day one, intended for mankind to fall so that he could give us the choice of following his son thousands of years down the road? So it was all just a setup for AD? Everything that happened in BC was just backplot?
Even if we assume that Adam had the capability for evil inside himself, if you don't give him an obvious instrument then he wont chose the evil. Make his wife have a smokin body, his food tasty, and the sex satisfying and Adam wouldn't ever feel a need to sin! But oh no, God had to give Adam a MEANS to act out. and OF COURSE the woman has to stir up trouble.
If you take the PoV that God always intended for mankind to have to spend it's live attoneing(sp?) (which is what most christians believe) then what in Gods name are we atoneing for?!? We didn't do anything wrong! God did! It was his or her plan for Adam in the first place!
I cannot satisfactorily come up with a view of Heaven that satisfies my mortal mind and I refuse to believe that God would create us "in his image" without the ability to experience and understand God him or herself and without the ability to understand God's gift to us in the afterlife. Why tell us about heaven but not give us the ability to appreciate what he is telling us?
It just doesn't make sense. Which is why I refuse to ASSUME there is something waiting for me after death. I am personally a huge fan of the notion of reincarnation, but I have no basis to believe this other than hope.
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Reincarnation kicks ass! I wish i could believe in it
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I am religious yes, my family are christians and I have been brought up that way. But I think when people say u have to belive in God are wrong. Everyone should believe in who or what they want, it's what makes us different. I used to have my doubts, but now I do believe. And for me it's nice to know someone up above is looking out for me!
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
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.. :mrgreen: god still loves me
Indeed. Even trolls can't escape that.
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I'm so lost...
whatever
It means he has you on ignore.
-Kev
oh please
i am not a troll....
and whatever andrew can ignore the pope...i still won't give a damn but i know one thing..i'm tired of seeing him talk out of his ass..it gets old
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I agree with you today Andrew, It doesnt get any more intelligent than that[/quote]
pete shutup for once PLEASE because you really don't know me...
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I agree with you today Andrew, It doesnt get any more intelligent than that
pete shutup for once PLEASE because you really don't know me...[/quote]
Of course i won't
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I agree with you today Andrew, It doesnt get any more intelligent than that
pete shutup for once PLEASE because you really don't know me...
Of course i won't[/quote]
maybe you should start working on that ..then maybe..just maybe i wouldn't be so bitchy...."think about it"
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I agree with you today Andrew, It doesnt get any more intelligent than that
pete shutup for once PLEASE because you really don't know me...
Of course i won't
maybe you should start working on that ..then maybe..just maybe i wouldn't be so bitchy...."think about it"[/quote]'
I dont know what you're talking about, i never talk to you. Its hard to be bitchy to someone who doesnt really take anything you say into consideration
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I think that's the smartest thing you've ever said......
I agree with you today Andrew, It doesnt get any more intelligent than that
pete shutup for once PLEASE because you really don't know me...
Of course i won't
maybe you should start working on that ..then maybe..just maybe i wouldn't be so bitchy...."think about it"
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I dont know what you're talking about, i never talk to you. Its hard to be bitchy to someone who doesnt really take anything you say into consideration[/quote]
whatever WHATEVER WHATEVER
obviously you don't get the point.. i don't have time for this ...
i'm out...
bye
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Of course how could i forget, you are a busy individual with no time to bicker online [/sarcasm]
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lol
you guys are too funny
all of you!!
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Ah, I get you. The way I see it is that the tree wasn't evil in itself, only the action of eating from it against God's will. The evil was within Adam as a free agent and would be present with or without the tree. So why not place it? To not place it would just be God kidding himself that Adam would obey His command. Also the tree wasn't all that dangerous when viewed within Christianity's big picture. From the beginning God always intended to atone for that first sin and every sin since through Christ's crucifixion and ressurection. This atonement applies to all who want it, both those before and those after Christ's sacrafice. The atonement doesn't depend upon ourselves other than to take it or refuse it, so we can't spoil it again with our actions as Adam and Eve did. Instead it depends upon the grace and faithfulness of God. The danger of the tree (and all sin, for which the tree was a picture) is gone when viewed in the light of the Gospel later on. Like Will said in another thread, most people attempt to interpret Christianity with the (non-Christian) view that this life is all there is, and all that God has for us. When taken out of context like that things get messed up.
And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
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Ah, I get you. The way I see it is that the tree wasn't evil in itself, only the action of eating from it against God's will. The evil was within Adam as a free agent and would be present with or without the tree. So why not place it? To not place it would just be God kidding himself that Adam would obey His command. Also the tree wasn't all that dangerous when viewed within Christianity's big picture. From the beginning God always intended to atone for that first sin and every sin since through Christ's crucifixion and ressurection. This atonement applies to all who want it, both those before and those after Christ's sacrafice. The atonement doesn't depend upon ourselves other than to take it or refuse it, so we can't spoil it again with our actions as Adam and Eve did. Instead it depends upon the grace and faithfulness of God. The danger of the tree (and all sin, for which the tree was a picture) is gone when viewed in the light of the Gospel later on. Like Will said in another thread, most people attempt to interpret Christianity with the (non-Christian) view that this life is all there is, and all that God has for us. When taken out of context like that things get messed up.
And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Wow that was a blatantly harsh statement....Women can complain about anything they want as i see it, Its not like i have to listen. :razz:
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Which porves that men are stupid cus they fallowe what we say.
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So it was all just a setup for AD? Everything that happened in BC was just backplot?
Yes, at least in some sense, it was just backplot in the grand scheme of things. Not that I think those times did not serve a purpose (but I won't bother going into this).
Make his wife have a smokin body, his food tasty, and the sex satisfying and Adam wouldn't ever feel a need to sin! But oh no, God had to give Adam a MEANS to act out. and OF COURSE the woman has to stir up trouble.
I refer to my previous post in that, even if God did trip Adam up intentionally, it was actually no trip up at all considering what was to come. It's my prefered position on the argument from evil that God allows evil to occur so that he can bring surpassing good from it, ultimately (which I think applies in this case). Why He chose to do it like that, I don't know.
Another thing I have thought about a couple of times before is that God created us to have free will as He has free will. To have this in it's entirety we must also have the freedom to choose to reject God and His authority. Without the tree and the first command this would not have been possible, effectively denying their free will.
If you take the PoV that God always intended for mankind to have to spend it's live attoneing(sp?) (which is what most christians believe) then what in Gods name are we atoneing for?!? We didn't do anything wrong! God did! It was his or her plan for Adam in the first place!
No I don't take that PoV. It may be what a lot of people think, but it's not what the bible teaches and so, given that the bible is the foundation for the Christian religion, it's not a valid representation of Christianity. I agree with you in that this PoV does cause problems. On the other hand, the position of Biblical Christianity is that all the atoning was accomplished by the work of Christ. Those who recieve this free attonement continue to obey out of love for God and others, not because their obedience is required for their atonement.
-Kev
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Ouch, that is harsh :? I must admit (as much as think men are the superior sex ;-)) that I think Bianca has a point. Only a fool would follow the advice of another fool.
-Kev
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Ouch, that is harsh :? I must admit (as much as think men are the superior sex ;-)) that I think Bianca has a point. Only a fool would follow the advice of another fool.
-Kev
But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
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But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
In that case, I plead the same case for men :D Just blame it all on Adam.
-Kev
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But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
In that case, I plead the same case for men :D Just blame it all on Adam.
-Kev
Ok Adam is the stupid one.But some are
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Its just one stupid comment after another isn't it?
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Its just one stupid comment after another isn't it?
lmfao
:roflmao:
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Ouch, that is harsh :? I must admit (as much as think men are the superior sex ;-)) that I think Bianca has a point. Only a fool would follow the advice of another fool.
-Kev
But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Ouch, that is harsh :? I must admit (as much as think men are the superior sex ;-)) that I think Bianca has a point. Only a fool would follow the advice of another fool.
-Kev
But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
Don't use that excuse dear- you will be ridiculed forever. If you had half an idea of how uncomfortable stomach cramps were (which btw, you DONT) you wouldn't be even 1/100th of a way to the pain of childbirth. So, in short-shut your cakehole.
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Its just one stupid comment after another isn't it?
Oh yeah...
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Ouch, that is harsh :? I must admit (as much as think men are the superior sex ;-)) that I think Bianca has a point. Only a fool would follow the advice of another fool.
-Kev
But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
Don't use that excuse dear- you will be ridiculed forever. If you had half an idea of how uncomfortable stomach cramps were (which btw, you DONT) you wouldn't be even 1/100th of a way to the pain of childbirth. So, in short-shut your cakehole.
I was just gonna say that! They're hell!! :evil:
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I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
Don't use that excuse dear- you will be ridiculed forever. If you had half an idea of how uncomfortable stomach cramps were (which btw, you DONT) you wouldn't be even 1/100th of a way to the pain of childbirth. So, in short-shut your cakehole.
I was just gonna say that! They're hell!! :evil:
I believe that men have an equal to childbirth (in terms of pain). As every man knows (by learning the hard way), there comes a time in every boys life when he will be riding a bicycle at high speeds and be forced to slam on his brakes for whatever reason. Without going into too much detail, it's enough to say that certain things get sandwitched between the boy himself and the crossbar with the full momentum of the crash. I may be wrong, but I find it very hard to imagine that the pain of childbirth is worse than this. And we don't get the option of drugs! :?
-Kev
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I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
Don't use that excuse dear- you will be ridiculed forever. If you had half an idea of how uncomfortable stomach cramps were (which btw, you DONT) you wouldn't be even 1/100th of a way to the pain of childbirth. So, in short-shut your cakehole.
I was just gonna say that! They're hell!! :evil:
I believe that men have an equal to childbirth (in terms of pain). There comes a time in every boys life when he will be riding a bicycle at high speeds and be forced to slam on his brakes for whatever reason. Without going into too much detail, it's enough to say that certain things get sandwitched between the boy himself and the crossbar with the full momentum of the crash. I may be wrong, but I find it very hard to imagine that the pain of childbirth is worse than this. And we don't get the option of drugs!
-Kev
I was EXTREMELY into freestyle biking my entire childhood. I figure getting hit 4 times by cars and peeling enough skin off of my body to make a wallet with were also undesireable experiences.....However at least i didnt have to force the bike through a rabbit hole ;)
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I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
Don't use that excuse dear- you will be ridiculed forever. If you had half an idea of how uncomfortable stomach cramps were (which btw, you DONT) you wouldn't be even 1/100th of a way to the pain of childbirth. So, in short-shut your cakehole.
I was just gonna say that! They're hell!! :evil:
I believe that men have an equal to childbirth (in terms of pain). There comes a time in every boys life when he will be riding a bicycle at high speeds and be forced to slam on his brakes for whatever reason. Without going into too much detail, it's enough to say that certain things get sandwitched between the boy himself and the crossbar with the full momentum of the crash. I may be wrong, but I find it very hard to imagine that the pain of childbirth is worse than this. And we don't get the option of drugs!
-Kev
I was EXTREMELY into freestyle biking my entire childhood. I figure getting hit 4 times by cars and peeling enough skin off of my body to make a wallet with were also undesireable experiences.....However at least i didnt have to force the bike through a rabbit hole ;)
But if you rode your bike safely, or chose not to ride a bike, then it wouldn't happen would it? If you want to have children you have to go through it!
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But if you rode your bike safely, or chose not to ride a bike, then it wouldn't happen would it? If you want to have children you have to go through it!
True, true. The continued existance of the human race doesn't require our pain as it does yours. But it's not always aviodable for us either. If it wasn't a crossbar it would be a cricket ball, a fence post, paintball, somebody elses foot, etc.
-Kev
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Ouch, that is harsh :? I must admit (as much as think men are the superior sex ;-)) that I think Bianca has a point. Only a fool would follow the advice of another fool.
-Kev
But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
Don't use that excuse dear- you will be ridiculed forever. If you had half an idea of how uncomfortable stomach cramps were (which btw, you DONT) you wouldn't be even 1/100th of a way to the pain of childbirth. So, in short-shut your cakehole.
exactly. squeeze a watermelon out of your penis, and then we'll talk.
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I refer to my previous post in that, even if God did trip Adam up intentionally, it was actually no trip up at all considering what was to come. It's my prefered position on the argument from evil that God allows evil to occur so that he can bring surpassing good from it, ultimately (which I think applies in this case). Why He chose to do it like that, I don't know.
Another thing I have thought about a couple of times before is that God created us to have free will as He has free will. To have this in it's entirety we must also have the freedom to choose to reject God and His authority. Without the tree and the first command this would not have been possible, effectively denying their free will.
I like this notion. God HAD to put evil there because without it then Adam wouldn't ACTUALLY have had free will. If there is no evil you cannot chose GOOD. If you have apples and apples on your plate and you chose to eat apples, have you really made a choice?
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exactly. squeeze a watermelon out of your penis, and then we'll talk.
LMFAO!!!!!
that is so true and very funny!
Manda
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exactly. squeeze a watermelon out of your penis, and then we'll talk.
Invalid comparison. Women do not give birth out of their eurethras.
PLUS, the female birth canal is DESIGNED to expand. The male eurethra is NOT.
Women LOVE to say this, but a babys head is not as big as a watermellon and the comparison between a PENIS and a BIRTH CANAL are completely silly. That's like saying snakes have it worse off because they have to eat an entire rabit in one swallow. And "YOU Try eating something that's five times bigger than your head in one bite." A Snake's jaws are designed differently for a reason.
You have no had children. I HAVE racked myself before and I assume Kev has aswell. We are speaking from first hand experience, you are speaking from supposition.
Have a child, then come back and we can debate this.
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exactly. squeeze a watermelon out of your penis, and then we'll talk.
Invalid comparison. Women do not give birth out of their eurethras.
PLUS, the female birth canal is DESIGNED to expand. The male eurethra is NOT.
Women LOVE to say this, but a babys head is not as big as a watermellon and the comparison between a PENIS and a BIRTH CANAL are completely silly. That's like saying snakes have it worse off because they have to eat an entire rabit in one swallow. And "YOU Try eating something that's five times bigger than your head in one bite." A Snake's jaws are designed differently for a reason.
You have no had children. I HAVE racked myself before and I assume Kev has aswell. We are speaking from first hand experience, you are speaking from supposition.
Have a child, then come back and we can debate this.
erm, i wasn't trying to debate something. i know i have no argument. i was trying to make a humorous statement. :roll:
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exactly. squeeze a watermelon out of your penis, and then we'll talk.
Invalid comparison. Women do not give birth out of their eurethras.
PLUS, the female birth canal is DESIGNED to expand. The male eurethra is NOT.
Women LOVE to say this, but a babys head is not as big as a watermellon and the comparison between a PENIS and a BIRTH CANAL are completely silly. That's like saying snakes have it worse off because they have to eat an entire rabit in one swallow. And "YOU Try eating something that's five times bigger than your head in one bite." A Snake's jaws are designed differently for a reason.
You have no had children. I HAVE racked myself before and I assume Kev has aswell. We are speaking from first hand experience, you are speaking from supposition.
Have a child, then come back and we can debate this.
try this again:
exactly. squeeze a watermelon out of your penis, and then we'll talk.
thats what it definately feels like. your not a woman so you dont know, child birth hurts like hell, so don't criticize it.
you can ask any mother if child birth hurts, they will probably give you the same answer.
HELL YES!
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I refer to my previous post in that, even if God did trip Adam up intentionally, it was actually no trip up at all considering what was to come. It's my prefered position on the argument from evil that God allows evil to occur so that he can bring surpassing good from it, ultimately (which I think applies in this case). Why He chose to do it like that, I don't know.
Another thing I have thought about a couple of times before is that God created us to have free will as He has free will. To have this in it's entirety we must also have the freedom to choose to reject God and His authority. Without the tree and the first command this would not have been possible, effectively denying their free will.
I like this notion. God HAD to put evil there because without it then Adam wouldn't ACTUALLY have had free will. If there is no evil you cannot chose GOOD. If you have apples and apples on your plate and you chose to eat apples, have you really made a choice?
We did this in philosophy just before Christmas- this is a prominent theory- 'the freewill defence'. However, it is a logical possibility to have a world where one could only make good choices- and still have freewill (or so it said in the book! lol). Iraneus (i think...) said that in the Bible it states we are created in God's image and his likeness (okay, i get a little sketchy here- revision needed!) and that since we are already in god's image it is through actively choosing god, over evil, that we become his likeness.
I asked my mummy about this childbirth thing and she said "It CANNOT COMPARE in any way- i am insulted! And how long does hurting your nuts go on for? 48 hours? i THINK NOT!" And kev, you have met my mum- she is force to be reckoned with (granted she can't work digital cameras but shut up!!) so na na na na naaaaaa.
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I asked my mummy about this childbirth thing and she said "It CANNOT COMPARE in any way- i am insulted! And how long does hurting your nuts go on for? 48 hours? i THINK NOT!" And kev, you have met my mum- she is force to be reckoned with (granted she can't work digital cameras but shut up!!) so na na na na naaaaaa.
your 'mummy' is a very smart lady, just like yourself.
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Manda
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We did this in philosophy just before Christmas- this is a prominent theory- 'the freewill defence'. However, it is a logical possibility to have a world where one could only make good choices- and still have freewill (or so it said in the book! lol). Iraneus (i think...) said that in the Bible it states we are created in God's image and his likeness (okay, i get a little sketchy here- revision needed!) and that since we are already in god's image it is through actively choosing god, over evil, that we become his likeness.
Freewill defence eh? It's good to know that my thoughts are at least comparable to some previously established ideas, at least I know my brain is still working. Talking to you two makes me wish I'd taken philosophy at A-level instead of naff physics.
I asked my mummy about this childbirth thing and she said "It CANNOT COMPARE in any way- i am insulted! And how long does hurting your nuts go on for? 48 hours? i THINK NOT!"
Nah, the intense crippling abdominal/testicle pain would abate fairly quickly (10 minutes or so). Although those 10 minutes are guarenteed to be the worst (and most mentally scaring) 10 minutes of your life. The rest of that day would be fairly painful, but 48 hours is probably stretching it for anything more than a dull ache (at least in my experience).
And kev, you have met my mum- she is force to be reckoned with (granted she can't work digital cameras but shut up!!) so na na na na naaaaaa.
lol, I'm not saying anything at all. In fact, I don't think there is actually any mother on earth that hasn't asked "So how do I wind it on?" immediately after being handed a digital camera.
-Kev
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I asked my mummy about this childbirth thing and she said "It CANNOT COMPARE in any way- i am insulted! And how long does hurting your nuts go on for? 48 hours? i THINK NOT!"
Nah, the intense crippling abdominal/testicle pain would abate fairly quickly (10 minutes or so). Although those 10 minutes are guarenteed to be the worst (and most mentally scaring) 10 minutes of your life. The rest of that day would be fairly painful, but 48 hours is probably stretching it for anything more than a dull ache (at least in my experience).
But you get drugs plus the mother gets the favour of the custody over the kids if divorce arises
And kev, you have met my mum- she is force to be reckoned with (granted she can't work digital cameras but shut up!!) so na na na na naaaaaa.
lol, I'm not saying anything at all. In fact, I don't think there is actually any mother on earth that hasn't asked "So how do I wind it on?" immediately after being handed a digital camera.
That's just plain funny :lol:
-Kev
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But you get drugs plus the mother gets the favour of the custody over the kids if divorce arises
I dont see anything wrong with that since we do way more for children than a man ever will.
the mother should get the children if divorce arises.
:P
Manda
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And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Its just one stupid comment after another isn't it?
Lmao!!
And it was his bitch that tempted him, so woman can't complain about childbirth pain since they were the first to be tempted by the devil.
Ouch, that is harsh :? I must admit (as much as think men are the superior sex ;-)) that I think Bianca has a point. Only a fool would follow the advice of another fool.
-Kev
But not all women are stupid.I think she was like ver undereducated and a rebel.
I never said anything about women being stupid I just said THEY CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. I get that excuse all the time like if im goin to the dentist and im scared of the needle *eek* my gran and my aunt and my other aunt and my grans friend all say together WE HAVE F***IN' CHILDREN SEE HOW PAIN FUL THAT IS and now I learned what to say back :wink:
Don't use that excuse dear- you will be ridiculed forever. If you had half an idea of how uncomfortable stomach cramps were (which btw, you DONT) you wouldn't be even 1/100th of a way to the pain of childbirth. So, in short-shut your cakehole.
I was just gonna say that! They're hell!! :evil:
Yup yup what Roise said!! and Tia yes they're hell!!! But it's kinda hard for guys to imagine these things....I mean they don't get things like that! *is jealous* lol.
xoxoxoxox
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But aww poor Scotty I don't think he meant it to be a big debate!! *hugs* hehe.
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But you get drugs plus the mother gets the favour of the custody over the kids if divorce arises
I really think you should shut up. If you had to endure 9 months of carrying a child, massive mood swings, not being able to drink or eat certain things, morning sickness, stretch marks, the intense pain of childbirth and a real possibility of post natal depression while your partner gets to go down the pub then i think you'd want custody too.
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Maybe giving birth and the fact that guys think women are meant for only one or two things (or maybe even three: sex, cooking dinner and providing an heir) and all that stuff is kind of off topic.
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guys think women are meant for only one or two things (or maybe even three: sex, cooking dinner and providing an heir)
lmao. its true, Si speaks the truth!! :)
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But you get drugs plus the mother gets the favour of the custody over the kids if divorce arises
I really think you should shut up. If you had to endure 9 months of carrying a child, massive mood swings, not being able to drink or eat certain things, morning sickness, stretch marks, the intense pain of childbirth and a real possibility of post natal depression while your partner gets to go down the pub then i think you'd want custody too.
Maybe giving birth and the fact that guys think women are meant for only one or two things (or maybe even three: sex, cooking dinner and providing an heir) and all that stuff is kind of off topic.
Exactly! :D
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I wonder what women who have been maliciously tortured(perhaps POWs) have to say in comparison to childbirth. Take men who have been through the same exact thing and have them constantly remind you day in and day out HOW fucking painful it was, almost in a joking way at times. Telling you nothing could compare to the inscrutiating pain of torture. Telling you any pain you are experiencing is mild(including cramps.) everytime it occurs.
For the rest of your natural lives.
tylor
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I dont see anything wrong with that since we do way more for children than a man ever will.
Maybe giving birth and the fact that guys think women are meant for only one or two things (or maybe even three: sex, cooking dinner and providing an heir) and all that stuff is kind of off topic.
lmao. its true, Si speaks the truth!!
Exactly!
Run for your life! It's a stampede of sexist generalisations! :-P
With custody, I do think that biasing towards women (or men!) is unfair. If the child is old enough to decide sensibly, then it should be able to choose. If not, the child should go to whoever can provide the best care. Childbirth pain shouldn't be a factor. I don't have any children but I imagine that the pain of childbirth pales into insignificance compared to the pain of losing custody of your child for a man or a woman.
-Kev
P.S. Si, you missed off mowing the grass and concreting the driveway ;-) heh
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ach ai give up sry Rosie if i offended you in anyway :cry:
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I don't believe in god. And I don't understand why god would even care if we believe in him or not. Why would he care if we worship him or not? He's god!
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I don't believe in god. And I don't understand why god would even care if we believe in him or not. Why would he care if we worship him or not? He's god!
I don't believe in God either, but as far as christianity goes:
He loves you and wants to save you from his own wrath.
tylor
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But you get drugs plus the mother gets the favour of the custody over the kids if divorce arises
I really think you should shut up. If you had to endure 9 months of carrying a child, massive mood swings, not being able to drink or eat certain things, morning sickness, stretch marks, the intense pain of childbirth and a real possibility of post natal depression while your partner gets to go down the pub then i think you'd want custody too.
Blah blah blah. Men suffer their share as well.
If a dad stays home and takes care of the kids people think he's a dead beat. If a woman does it shes a good mother. Fair? No.
If a woman can't open a jar of peanut butter it's cute... if a man can't he's a sissy?
If a woman goes to a bar she can go with 10 bucks and expect to have drink bought for her when she wants. If a guy goes to a bar he has to take a min of 60 bucks if he wants to meet women.
If a man and a woman go out on a first date and the man doesn't pay for the entire date than there is a 90% chance he's not getting a 2nd date (obv there are exceptions... but MOST of the time).
Women don't have to deal with PROSTATE exams. Women have a longer life expectancy by something like 8 years. Women get the more expensive wedding ring. Women get WEDDINGS (you think MEN want those?!?). Men have HEART problems women don't.
I am NOT saying men have it worse than women by ANY means. I am just saying that for everything you can list about child birth that sucks for women I can list things that suck for men.
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I don't believe in god. And I don't understand why god would even care if we believe in him or not. Why would he care if we worship him or not? He's god!
would you feel hurt if someone didn't believe in you? would you feel hurt if someone didn't care to accept you as for who you are or even loved you? Noone believed in him... :roll:
Thats right..he is god and his son died for us...because he doesloves us...and theres more where thats coming from..
Just because you can't see him or atleast have a little faith doesnt mean he isnt up there without feelings...etc. but to say he doesn't exist is selfish...because there is only one reason why someone would say that or think that way and that is the same reason why he had to die for us..(he gave us great things, you would not be here if it wasnt for him etc etc..so why not accept his love in return or atleast show some respect even if you can't accept it) :D :amylee:
I always believed in him.. but i became closer to god last year for some reason, and i have christian friends now who are really wonderful and supportive..(though no christian is perfect)..ever since i started feeling better about myself and i'm very happy.....i still question myself about some things but now that i started taking intrest in it more and realize its best for me... i intend to keep it that way...because there isnt any other way i can should or want to go..i guess it depends on the people you're surrounded by..really..
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I'm not sure if i should say anymore ..i dont feel i need to debate here...(even if i am christian or not which i am to some extent and also very hard for me to hear someone say they don't belive in him is quite silly but understandable) Actually.. i think some people think he does exist..i just think they are afraid...why else would you keep talking about it..
Regardless, i feel sorry for some of you...so you can sit there and say you dont care about it.or even continue to debate...it really isnt my problem but i hope someday that you just understand why you are here.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Right On, jen!
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weeeeeee it's a parade of my ignore list! Quick! Someone else on my ignore list post something!
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I believe in God
This is a little off-topic, but in school we're learning about Jesus as more of a historical figure rather than a faith icon, and it's very very interesting! I look to him as both!
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But you get drugs plus the mother gets the favour of the custody over the kids if divorce arises
I really think you should shut up. If you had to endure 9 months of carrying a child, massive mood swings, not being able to drink or eat certain things, morning sickness, stretch marks, the intense pain of childbirth and a real possibility of post natal depression while your partner gets to go down the pub then i think you'd want custody too.
Blah blah blah. Men suffer their share as well.
If a dad stays home and takes care of the kids people think he's a dead beat. If a woman does it shes a good mother. Fair? No.
If a woman can't open a jar of peanut butter it's cute... if a man can't he's a sissy?
If a woman goes to a bar she can go with 10 bucks and expect to have drink bought for her when she wants. If a guy goes to a bar he has to take a min of 60 bucks if he wants to meet women.
If a man and a woman go out on a first date and the man doesn't pay for the entire date than there is a 90% chance he's not getting a 2nd date (obv there are exceptions... but MOST of the time).
Women don't have to deal with PROSTATE exams. Women have a longer life expectancy by something like 8 years. Women get the more expensive wedding ring. Women get WEDDINGS (you think MEN want those?!?). Men have HEART problems women don't.
I am NOT saying men have it worse than women by ANY means. I am just saying that for everything you can list about child birth that sucks for women I can list things that suck for men.
Who says ALL women apply those rules to men? Who says i want someone to pay for me on a date? That is your assumption, and i have been accused in this thread of gross generalisations- you just made loads. I'm not sure about your first one, primarily-because that view isn't held much here, at least i don't come across it often.
And lastly, if women want a child- you have to endure child birth and that IS painful- a lot of the things you listed are subjective. Overall, i do get your point though,
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Oh, if I go have dinner with someone, they can pay for me, I don't mind, I'm CHEAP!! The less money I spend, the better!
lol
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But you get drugs plus the mother gets the favour of the custody over the kids if divorce arises
I really think you should shut up. If you had to endure 9 months of carrying a child, massive mood swings, not being able to drink or eat certain things, morning sickness, stretch marks, the intense pain of childbirth and a real possibility of post natal depression while your partner gets to go down the pub then i think you'd want custody too.
Blah blah blah. Men suffer their share as well.
If a dad stays home and takes care of the kids people think he's a dead beat. If a woman does it shes a good mother. Fair? No.
If a woman can't open a jar of peanut butter it's cute... if a man can't he's a sissy?
If a woman goes to a bar she can go with 10 bucks and expect to have drink bought for her when she wants. If a guy goes to a bar he has to take a min of 60 bucks if he wants to meet women.
If a man and a woman go out on a first date and the man doesn't pay for the entire date than there is a 90% chance he's not getting a 2nd date (obv there are exceptions... but MOST of the time).
Women don't have to deal with PROSTATE exams. Women have a longer life expectancy by something like 8 years. Women get the more expensive wedding ring. Women get WEDDINGS (you think MEN want those?!?). Men have HEART problems women don't.
I am NOT saying men have it worse than women by ANY means. I am just saying that for everything you can list about child birth that sucks for women I can list things that suck for men.
Who says ALL women apply those rules to men? Who says i want someone to pay for me on a date? That is your assumption, and i have been accused in this thread of gross generalisations- you just made loads. I'm not sure about your first one, primarily-because that view isn't held much here, at least i don't come across it often.
And lastly, if women want a child- you have to endure child birth and that IS painful- a lot of the things you listed are subjective. Overall, i do get your point though,
I agree with Rosie! I know when I go on dates I pay for it atleast 50% of the time! If he pays one time, I'll pay the next, or we'll split it. I know most my friends do the same! times are changing!
And also, maybe guys get prostate exams... but woman have to get breast exams. I know guys can get breast cancer too... not as likely as women though! And how would you like bleeding a week out of every month? lol, it's not fun! And child birth is described as the most painful thing ever!
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Ive discussed the pains of monthly cramps and childbirth with women and doctors.....The extent of the pain is mainly variable from one woman to another. However the majority of people suffer from an ailment or serious injury at some point in there lifetime....We all suffer from pain and theres no way around it. I see no reason whatsoever that women should have more rights than men because they have to suffer cramps and childbirth
Rosie, You said that i could ride my bike safely or not ride a bike at all....But if you WANT to have kids you must suffer the pain....Well if i WANT to have fun on my bike i HAVE to suffer the pain as well.......Its all based on the no pain no gain cliche....You want something more than the pain, then you deal with the pain to get what you want....If you want children, then you deal with the pain. I believe in most cases the mother is more than willing and the pain is rather punitive when compared to the joys of raising a child and starting a family.
This is not a degrading statement and im not insulting women because they suffer something we dont, Im just saying that everything has its drawbacks and advantages...and in all honesty when a women is in pain she can whine and complain cuz when i get hurt i whine too! hehe....As long as a woman doesnt make men an icon of resent or hold a grudge against mankind because neither I or any other man i know decided women should suffer the pains of childbirth,,,,its just how it is. Kinda silly to argue about even =)
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Rosie, You said that i could ride my bike safely or not ride a bike at all....But if you WANT to have kids you must suffer the pain....Well if i WANT to have fun on my bike i HAVE to suffer the pain as well....
Kinda silly to argue about even =)
Lmao, too right mate- i can't believe we're having a discussion about whether riding your bike and hurting your nuts is more painful than childbirth. ahahah.
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Rosie, You said that i could ride my bike safely or not ride a bike at all....But if you WANT to have kids you must suffer the pain....Well if i WANT to have fun on my bike i HAVE to suffer the pain as well....
Kinda silly to argue about even =)
Lmao, too right mate- i can't believe we're having a discussion about whether riding your bike and hurting your nuts is more painful than childbirth. ahahah.
Woohooooo someone agreed with something ive said today!!! ....kinda lol
Well at least ill never have to find out which is more painful :razz:
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Who says ALL women apply those rules to men? Who says i want someone to pay for me on a date? That is your assumption, and i have been accused in this thread of gross generalisations- you just made loads. I'm not sure about your first one, primarily-because that view isn't held much here, at least i don't come across it often.
And lastly, if women want a child- you have to endure child birth and that IS painful- a lot of the things you listed are subjective. Overall, i do get your point though,
Generalizations exist for a reason. Because they are true more often than not. Just because there is an exception doesn't mean I can't make the generalization because you are, as the word implies, the EXCEPTION to the rule.
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I don't believe in god. And I don't understand why god would even care if we believe in him or not. Why would he care if we worship him or not? He's god!
would you feel hurt if someone didn't believe in you? would you feel hurt if someone didn't care to accept you as for who you are or even loved you? Noone believed in him... :roll:
Thats right..he is god and his son died for us...because he doesloves us...and theres more where thats coming from..
Just because you can't see him or atleast have a little faith doesnt mean he isnt up there without feelings...etc. but to say he doesn't exist is selfish...because there is only one reason why someone would say that or think that way and that is the same reason why he had to die for us..(he gave us great things, you would not be here if it wasnt for him etc etc..so why not accept his love in return or atleast show some respect even if you can't accept it) :D :amylee:
I always believed in him.. but i became closer to god last year for some reason, and i have christian friends now who are really wonderful and supportive..(though no christian is perfect)..ever since i started feeling better about myself and i'm very happy.....i still question myself about some things but now that i started taking intrest in it more and realize its best for me... i intend to keep it that way...because there isnt any other way i can should or want to go..i guess it depends on the people you're surrounded by..really..
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I'm not sure if i should say anymore ..i dont feel i need to debate here...(even if i am christian or not which i am to some extent and also very hard for me to hear someone say they don't belive in him is quite silly but understandable) Actually.. i think some people think he does exist..i just think they are afraid...why else would you keep talking about it..
Regardless, i feel sorry for some of you...so you can sit there and say you dont care about it.or even continue to debate...it really isnt my problem but i hope someday that you just understand why you are here.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I never said He didn't exist. But still I just don't get it. He's god. Okay lets just say He did create the heavens and earth. Lets say He did send His son to die for us. So what? He should do those things out of the goodness of His heart not because of an ego trip. Everyday I try my best to help others, not because I want them to remember me but because that's who I am. If they don't remember me or believe in me or love me so what? I move on. I don't have many friends and I don't care. I know I exist. Who cares if they don't believe I exist. If He does exist and knows He exist He should just be happy. If He does exist He knows I've been a good person and He knows I didn't believe in Him. And if there is a heaven, are they not going to let me in because I didn't beleive in Him. "Sorry Sopheap, you've been a great person. Maybe one of the nicest there ever was but we can't let you in because you didn't believe in God." Ego trip. I wouldn't believe in a God like that. He should be happy that I try my best everyday and to judge me by that regardless if I believe in Him or not. But you are right, why don't I just believe in Him? He hasn't given me a reason to. I'm not this nice person because of God. It's because that's who I am. Jesus died for our sins. I wasn't even born. What sins did I do?
P.S. All you debating about pain. You're so off the subject. Debate somewhere else.
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Who says ALL women apply those rules to men? Who says i want someone to pay for me on a date? That is your assumption, and i have been accused in this thread of gross generalisations- you just made loads. I'm not sure about your first one, primarily-because that view isn't held much here, at least i don't come across it often.
And lastly, if women want a child- you have to endure child birth and that IS painful- a lot of the things you listed are subjective. Overall, i do get your point though,
Generalizations exist for a reason. Because they are true more often than not. Just because there is an exception doesn't mean I can't make the generalization because you are, as the word implies, the EXCEPTION to the rule.
GeneraliSations (lol) can also become outdated and past it, maybe some of the ones you mentioned have to come to be reconsidered in recent years.
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P.S. All you debating about pain. You're so off the subject. Debate somewhere else.
I think it's acceptable to be a little off-topic by page 14. Especially considering that most topics do well to last 14 posts on track :)
-Kev
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P.S. All you debating about pain. You're so off the subject. Debate somewhere else.
I agree on what you said about being a nice person because its who you are and not because you are trying to be good for a god. However telling people to go somewhere else because you dont think they belong somewhere isnt all that kind :wink:
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P.S. All you debating about pain. You're so off the subject. Debate somewhere else.
Where? ::pouts:::
I don't care what your beliefs are really.......whatever i am done here..
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P.S. All you debating about pain. You're so off the subject. Debate somewhere else.
Where? ::pouts:::
I don't care what your beliefs are really.......whatever i am done here..
i hate to break it to ya but if you dont care what others peoples beliefs are then why the heck make a thread asking?
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i hate to break it to ya but if you dont care what others peoples beliefs are then why the heck make a thread asking?
Pete, I'll be your best friend if you never quote one of her posts ever again. Pretty please.
and the damn word is GENERALIZATIONS Rosie! Stop with your weird British speak!
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P.S. All you debating about pain. You're so off the subject. Debate somewhere else.
Where? ::pouts:::
I don't care what your beliefs are really.......whatever i am done here..
i hate to break it to ya but if you dont care what others peoples beliefs are then why the heck make a thread asking?
I don't care pete..so i made a poll asking...whats it matter to me..nothing at all...just like when you go vote do you think people care who you vote for?..not likely
anyway i think you get my point...
and for the last time i told you if you see me in a thread don't say anything to me...because you never have anything nice to say....don't talk to me
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Pete, I'll be your best friend if you never quote one of her posts ever again. Pretty please.
oh yea because you're the almighty grakthis who is never wrong about anything around here...you're always right..even if its bringing someone down in such a cruel way....you're not "god"..
even if you were a god i wouldnt worship you..i think i would rather burn in hell..pete don't have to quote me on anything but he did..soo
and to be honest from what i see you're nothing but an asshole....sometimes i wish you would just take your own advice...
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Pete, I'll be your best friend if you never quote one of her posts ever again. Pretty please.
oh yea because you're the almighty grakthis who is never wrong about anything around here...you're always right..even if its bringing someone down in such a cruel way....you're not "god"..
even if you were a god i wouldnt worship you..i think i would rather burn in hell..pete don't have to quote me on anything but he did..soo
and to be honest from what i see you're nothing but an asshole....sometimes i wish you would just take your own advice...
I think everyone should have the right to quote anyone they want, but if you don't like reading what someone said... when you see their name at the top of the quote box, you can try not reading it, lol.
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Yes because you are so nice to me too.....Well guess what im not even insulting you....And the fact of the matter is you made a poll asking, if you didnt care then you wouldnt have done it...I think you have no point.....And ill talk to whoever i want to, whether they like me or hate me, whenever i feel the need.
Andrew no qoutes in this one just for you
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Yes because you are so nice to me too.....Well guess what im not even insulting you....And the fact of the matter is you made a poll asking, if you didnt care then you wouldnt have done it...I think you have no point.....And ill talk to whoever i want to, whether they like me or hate me, whenever i feel the need.
Andrew no qoutes in this one just for you
I don't know why the hell you did it when i asked you not to before..but what i do know is that i don't like it very much....
And i am NOT going to get any nicer to someone who doesn't appreciate me...
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Right on!!!
I know Grakthis might have put Jen on her "ignore" list or whatever, but I did the same thing. Because your shit is very tiring. LOL
you like insulting people and bringing them down on what opinon's they have. well its there opinon, get over yourself
you can take apart everything I say and criticize it, but what is that going to do?
I know! make YOU look more like an ass. I really dont like you and I'm glad your on my ignore list.
;)
why can't you just respect what people say?, and Pete I see the way you talk to people on here, and you should really reexamine your words/thoughts/feelings towards others, because you might not think your offensive, but you very much are.
:D
Manda
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Right on!!!
I know Grakthis might have put Jen on her "ignore" list or whatever, but I did the same thing. Because your shit is very tiring. LOL
you like insulting people and bringing them down on what opinon's they have. well its there opinon, get over yourself
you can take apart everything I say and criticize it, but what is that going to do?
I know! make YOU look more like an ass. I really dont like you and I'm glad your on my ignore list.
;)
why can't you just respect what people say?, and Pete I see the way you talk to people on here, and you should really reexamine your words/thoughts/feelings towards others, because you might not think your offensive, but you very much are.
:D
Manda
yup very agreeable...
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;)
nuff said.
Manda
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Right on!!!
I know Grakthis might have put Jen on her "ignore" list or whatever, but I did the same thing. Because your shit is very tiring. LOL
you like insulting people and bringing them down on what opinon's they have. well its there opinon, get over yourself
you can take apart everything I say and criticize it, but what is that going to do?
I know! make YOU look more like an ass. I really dont like you and I'm glad your on my ignore list.
;)
why can't you just respect what people say?, and Pete I see the way you talk to people on here, and you should really reexamine your words/thoughts/feelings towards others, because you might not think your offensive, but you very much are.
:D
Manda
"whine whine whine im 16 and i harass you and your girlfriend on aol instant messenger because im so cool"
as if *smug face*
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Right on!!!
I know Grakthis might have put Jen on her "ignore" list or whatever, but I did the same thing. Because your shit is very tiring. LOL
you like insulting people and bringing them down on what opinon's they have. well its there opinon, get over yourself
you can take apart everything I say and criticize it, but what is that going to do?
I know! make YOU look more like an ass. I really dont like you and I'm glad your on my ignore list.
;)
why can't you just respect what people say?, and Pete I see the way you talk to people on here, and you should really reexamine your words/thoughts/feelings towards others, because you might not think your offensive, but you very much are.
:D
Manda
I totally agree with Manda.
:) *happy face*
Glad you agree!
Manda :wink:
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these are the reasons i dont believe we were all created equal
imma go debate something interesting with my 2 year old neice now, see ya
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I'm sure you two have wonderful conversations. have fun!
Manda
:wink:
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and the damn word is GENERALIZATIONS Rosie! Stop with your weird British speak!
I've said it once, i'll say it again- its called ENGLISH for a reason.
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I think everyone should have the right to quote anyone they want, but if you don't like reading what someone said... when you see their name at the top of the quote box, you can try not reading it, lol.
If I don't have to read ignorant posts, then I am less likely to have to yell at or insult the ignorant posters responsible for said posts.
If it were as simple as just "not reading it" then I wouldn't have to use the ignore feature in the first place, now would I?
Or I could just put the people who keep quoting her incessantly on ignore as well.... but ignoring Pete would take away half the fun of this MB.
Edit @ Pete - Thanks!
Edit @ Rosie - Yeah... there is a reason it's called English. IRONY. :lol:
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Is this still about believing or not believing in god?
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Or I could just put the people who keep quoting her incessantly on ignore as well.... but ignoring Pete would take away half the fun of this MB.
Edit @ Pete - Thanks!
You're welcome cupcake :wink:
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Edit @ Rosie - Yeah... there is a reason it's called English. IRONY. :lol:
Shut your face or i shall tell everyone about your 'ladyfriend'. Bwhaahahahaha. Now its my turn to use the most cringeworthy smiley evar :lol:
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Shut your face or i shall tell everyone about your 'ladyfriend'. Bwhaahahahaha. Now its my turn to use the most cringeworthy smiley evar :lol:
lol. You are gonna tell everyone that shes a big sissy and doesn't like scary movies? Or are you just going to make fun of me because I said "ladyfriend" :wink:
Edit - *snuggles Pete*
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Edit - *snuggles Pete*
Lets not make all the ladies jealous at once now :razz:
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I don't have anyone on my ignore list...does that make me a bad girl...? :?
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Edit - *snuggles Pete*
Lets not make all the ladies jealous at once now :razz:
*is jealous*
*pushes Andrew out of the way and hugs Pete*
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Edit - *snuggles Pete*
Lets not make all the ladies jealous at once now :razz:
*is jealous*
*pushes Andrew out of the way and hugs Pete*
Save me Andrew!! :wink:
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Edit - *snuggles Pete*
Lets not make all the ladies jealous at once now :razz:
*is jealous*
*pushes Andrew out of the way and hugs Pete*
Save me Andrew!! :wink:
:twisted:
:wink:
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Is this still about believing or not believing in god?
Nope. lol
-Kev
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Or I could just put the people who keep quoting her incessantly on ignore as well.... but ignoring Pete would take away half the fun of this MB.
wow you really are stupid eh
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Is this still about believing or not believing in god?
Nope. lol
-Kev
Well, this thread now has 235 replies, and I bet half of those posts is totally off topic
:roll:
not that I mind or anything
*sigh
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Is this still about believing or not believing in god?
Nope. lol
-Kev
Well, this thread now has 235 replies, and I bet half of those posts is totally off topic
:roll:
not that I mind or anything
*sigh
Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si =)
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Shut your face or i shall tell everyone about your 'ladyfriend'. Bwhaahahahaha. Now its my turn to use the most cringeworthy smiley evar :lol:
lol. You are gonna tell everyone that shes a big sissy and doesn't like scary movies? Or are you just going to make fun of me because I said "ladyfriend" :wink:
Edit - *snuggles Pete*
Well ermm most probably both, but i'm going to go with the 'ladyfriend' insult. Are you 'courting' aswell Andrew (LMAO!)? Who uses the phrase 'ladyfriend' apart from people who have:
a) Been brought up in WW1/WW2/a nuclear bunker?
b) Wear a monacle and dine on scooones for high tea?
c) Live in Kentucky? Oh...wait...
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Is this still about believing or not believing in god?
Nope. lol
-Kev
Well, this thread now has 235 replies, and I bet half of those posts is totally off topic
:roll:
not that I mind or anything
*sigh
Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si Si =)
LOL
you can make a seperate thread for that, hunny
;)
LOL!
and the blahblahyadayada goes on and on
*sigh
I still don't believe in god though
I think maybe that's bc I wasn't raised that way, and nobody I knew was into god or religion.
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I still don't believe in god though
I think maybe that's bc I wasn't raised that way, and nobody I knew was into god or religion.
Yeah Si, I was raised to believe in god yet for some reason it just doesnt seem plausible.....I think imma start a cult, wanna join me?
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I still don't believe in god though
I think maybe that's bc I wasn't raised that way, and nobody I knew was into god or religion.
Yeah Si, I was raised to believe in god yet for some reason it just doesnt seem plausible.....I think imma start a cult, wanna join me?
YES!
*New thread: "Who wants to be in Pete's guild? You have to obey to Pete and Si, no matter what they say"
Hmm..sounds good to me
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YES!
*New thread: "Who wants to be in Pete's guild? You have to obey to Pete and Si, no matter what they say"
Hmm..sounds good to me
Everyone already does that anyways dont they? :wink:
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Well ermm most probably both, but i'm going to go with the 'ladyfriend' insult. Are you 'courting' aswell Andrew (LMAO!)? Who uses the phrase 'ladyfriend' apart from people who have:
a) Been brought up in WW1/WW2/a nuclear bunker?
b) Wear a monacle and dine on scooones for high tea?
c) Live in Kentucky? Oh...wait...
Maybe I was brought up in the WW2 era!
Actually, you'd be surprised how much of the european and old style american culture still hangs around in the south. Louisville is a fairly southern town.
and I like scones. and if I had a monacle, darnit, I'd wear it. I used to carry a pocket watch :)
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I think ladyfriend is kinda cute :wink:
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I think ladyfriend is kinda cute :wink:
Damn right she is
Oh, you mean the PHRASE.... :wink:
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yep i sure do =)
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and I like scones. and if I had a monacle, darnit, I'd wear it. I used to carry a pocket watch :)
I love scones! In food tech once (in my exam i had to draw a lasagne 8O) we made scone mixture and cooked it in as many ways as possible, believe me when i say NEVER eat poached scones. EUGH.
Oh and deary me, my dad's godfather wears a monacle. *sniggers*
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I think ladyfriend is kinda cute :wink:
Damn right she is
Oh, you mean the PHRASE.... :wink:
:roflmao:
And Rosie - poached scones?! 8O Yuck...
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and I like scones. and if I had a monacle, darnit, I'd wear it. I used to carry a pocket watch :)
I love scones! In food tech once (in my exam i had to draw a lasagne 8O) we made scone mixture and cooked it in as many ways as possible, believe me when i say NEVER eat poached scones. EUGH.
Oh and deary me, my dad's godfather wears a monacle. *sniggers*
Poached scones? That sounds terrible.
I wish we had "food tech" classes. That sounds like fun.
I want a monacle :(
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and I like scones. and if I had a monacle, darnit, I'd wear it. I used to carry a pocket watch :)
I love scones! In food tech once (in my exam i had to draw a lasagne 8O) we made scone mixture and cooked it in as many ways as possible, believe me when i say NEVER eat poached scones. EUGH.
Oh and deary me, my dad's godfather wears a monacle. *sniggers*
Poached scones? That sounds terrible.
I wish we had "food tech" classes. That sounds like fun.
I want a monacle :(
However, microwaved scones weren't half bad!! We actually had to eat them aswell.
Hmmm i thought food tech would be fun but it turned out to be a GCSE in over-evaluating everything, and taught me nothing about food at all apart from how to market a pasta dish for 45 year olds *yawn*. And like i said, it was pretty ridiculous- we had to draw a lasagne in our final and clearly i didn't draw it well enough, because i got a B. LOL
Oh and I'm sure i can find some way of getting you a monacle, whether i want to or not is another matter...bwhahaha.
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However, microwaved scones weren't half bad!! We actually had to eat them aswell.
Hmmm i thought food tech would be fun but it turned out to be a GCSE in over-evaluating everything, and taught me nothing about food at all apart from how to market a pasta dish for 45 year olds *yawn*. And like i said, it was pretty ridiculous- we had to draw a lasagne in our final and clearly i didn't draw it well enough, because i got a B. LOL
Oh and I'm sure i can find some way of getting you a monacle, whether i want to or not is another matter...bwhahaha.
*sticks tongue out*
Fine. If I ever come to England, you have to help me find a monacle! That's the requriement.
Eh.. you're right... that class doesn't sound like quite as much fun now. AH well.
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GCSE?
God likes scones?
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God is a good God oh yes He is
God is a good God oh yes He is
God is a good God oh yes He is
God is a good God oh yes He is
He lifts me up
He turns me around
He sets my feet on solid ground
God is a good God oh yes He is
God is a good God oh yes He is
God is a good God oh yes oh yes He is
*goes crazy so we get to stay in Mass longer and miss more classes*
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I despise food tech...I had the most awful teacher that used to call me Akia :evil: