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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: zurielshimon on March 14, 2005, 11:33:39 am
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I thought I would open up this discussion since I haven't seen it yet as a thread of its own, and I would be really interested to read other addicts' views on the subject (of the theme in her songs, not necessarily on death itself.) For example, songs like "Little Mary", "She Floats", "The Wreckage", "Annie", and "Twilight" all have clear death content in them.
"Little Mary" is about a girl who feels she has to be perfect to live and is, therefore, seriously considering suicide. "She Floats" is about a girl who may very well be dead because she is so ghostlike. "The Wreckage" focusses on the power to kill other people on the highway that another driver has. "Annie" is about a girl dying of a disease. And, at least to me, "Twilight" represents that line a person can feel forced to cross when depression takes the best of them.
I welcome other holics' comments on what I've said, as well as other views and other songs that share this theme, if in whole or in part.
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Vanessa has said that she is fascinated/intrigued by death and that little mary her first song ever was about that.
The darker moments on Harmonium appear in a selection of moody and reflective songs about sex, suicide, insomnia, and death. Carlton says the songs demonstrate her altered perspective on the world, but that they're not entirely new issues of exploration for her. "These darker themes have always been part of my writing," she says. "The first song I ever wrote was called "Little Mary", about a girl who was about to jump off a building. I've always been fascinated by death."
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What a fascinating thread!
I love the theme of death in anything, especially music.
I've always seen "Twilight" as a positive song. Usually the chorus of a song holds its most imperative point--and the chorus in "Twilight" is very uplifting. The verses describe the realizations that have changed her in a positive light. This song has always inspired me. But that's just how I see it. :D
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What a fascinating thread!
I love the theme of death in anything, especially music.
I've always seen "Twilight" as a positive song. Usually the chorus of a song holds its most imperative point--and the chorus in "Twilight" is very uplifting. The verses describe the realizations that have changed her in a positive light. This song has always inspired me. But that's just how I see it. :D
I agree: "Twilight" is a positive song. I see that it's about how bad events have brought about something good. I know the song is autobiographical, but exactly how close my interpretation would be to what happened, I don't know. But it seems to me that it's because she reached this deep, dark point in her life (twilight) where suicide might have possibly seemed like an option, she realized she had a problem and started to take steps toward her recovery.
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What a fascinating thread!
I love the theme of death in anything, especially music.
I've always seen "Twilight" as a positive song. Usually the chorus of a song holds its most imperative point--and the chorus in "Twilight" is very uplifting. The verses describe the realizations that have changed her in a positive light. This song has always inspired me. But that's just how I see it. :D
I agree: "Twilight" is a positive song. I see that it's about how bad events have brought about something good. I know the song is autobiographical, but exactly how close my interpretation would be to what happened, I don't know. But it seems to me that it's because she reached this deep, dark point in her life (twilight) where suicide might have possibly seemed like an option, she realized she had a problem and started to take steps toward her recovery.
Yeepp, the song's therapeutic! Ahahaha :lol:
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What a fascinating thread!
I love the theme of death in anything, especially music.
I've always seen "Twilight" as a positive song. Usually the chorus of a song holds its most imperative point--and the chorus in "Twilight" is very uplifting. The verses describe the realizations that have changed her in a positive light. This song has always inspired me. But that's just how I see it. :D
I agree: "Twilight" is a positive song. I see that it's about how bad events have brought about something good. I know the song is autobiographical, but exactly how close my interpretation would be to what happened, I don't know. But it seems to me that it's because she reached this deep, dark point in her life (twilight) where suicide might have possibly seemed like an option, she realized she had a problem and started to take steps toward her recovery.
Yeepp, the song's therapeutic! Ahahaha :lol:
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A for me twilight is a song really hard to understand... not only english in it but also what she meant in this song. though I alweys thought this is a positive song and I have got nice memories connected with this song.
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i like your idea of twilight being about death, i just cant say i agree. please check out my post on san fransisco sheet music.. thanks!
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the touch of depressity and death in nessas songs always makes my problems look small. Thats why i love the music so much and shes the best artist out of my sight
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the touch of depressity and death in nessas songs always makes my problems look small. Thats why i love the music so much and shes the best artist out of my sight
Yeah, I agree, except that it makes me feel like I can relate to her music, in a way.
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I've always associated 'Twilight' with 9-11 :o It helped me overcome PTSD
from the events of that day over 18 months later. Almost prophetic lyrics >
And I will never see the sky the same way and
I will learn to say good-bye to yesterday and
I will never cease to fly if held down and
I will always reach too high cause I've seen, cause I've seen
(http://www.valdezlink.com/media-hi/sunrise.jpg)
(http://www.boomspeed.com/deltagood/st_sig01.jpg)
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wow , I never thought of it that way...
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I think the meanings to her songs are very interesting to try to decipher. I don't think The Wreckage is about the power a driver a driver has to take another's life, but rather the power a driver has to take their own life. It sounds very much like she's contemplating suicide.
She Floats is one I don't fully understand. I think it's beautifully mysterious though.
Annie has to be the most upbeat song about death that I've ever heard. And that's a good thing because it's more about her being sorry that the little girl has to go, instead of hoping for death or making it a dark thing. It's upbeat because she wants to make the last parts of the girl's life enjoyable.
I like Little Mary... Hehe, when I first listened to it, I didn't expect that ending!
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She Floats is one I don't fully understand. I think it's beautifully mysterious though.
At her Boston concert, Vanessa told us that She Floats is about a little girl that's a ghost. She has a fascination with death, vampires, ghosts, and other things of the sort. Also, she said that whenever she sees a little girl wearing black patent mary janes it just freaks her out. :roll:
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I went to the Philly show in october and V said that The Wreckage is about an imagined car accident...
V wrote Twilight when she was depressed. It's just about how she wanted to overcome her depression and things like that.
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the other day, i was thinking about the lyrics in the song 'Twilight' [i have the CD, but it's cracked, unfortunately, so i'll have to replace it when i get the chance], and realized that she probably wrote the song when she was stuck in that horrible ballet school. i think it's about being in that stage in your life when you don't know who you are, and not only finding your true calling, but finding out who you really are. :)
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I think you're right on it. :)
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I still think all her songs are lovely no matter how deathly they may be..it just reminds me of how low i get sometimes.
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I like it that Vanessa is not afraid to write about death. It's a very natural topic for artists to explore. We are fascinated by it because it is the unknown.
I think Vanessa said at a concert that She Floats is about a ghost she saw when she was a little girl.
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I like it that Vanessa is not afraid to write about death. It's a very natural topic for artists to explore. We are fascinated by it because it is the unknown.
I definately agree. I am fascinated by death and everything that is connected to it. Although, in philosophy class, we discussed death and almost everyone agreed that they were scared of it because it was unknown. I suppose we are fascinated by the things that scare us sometimes.
I think Vanessa said at a concert that She Floats is about a ghost she saw when she was a little girl.
Oh really? That's really cool.
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Yeah, it was at a concert in Nashville (I downloaded a recording), she introduces She Floats by saying (i've edited out some 'um's:
"so um, I wrote a song about a dead girl... it's about a ghost, really... I used to think that a little girl lived in my closet, and she used to haunt me, and I kinda wrote this song about her. And it was kinda like, this feeling like if I died, sometimes people don't know that they're dead... I know that's really annoying and new-age.... so, she kind of has a secret... and the other way of looking at it is that she has this secret, and everyone thinks she's alive, but she's actually dead... freaky yes, I know... this song is called 'She Floats', and it's about a little girl who wears mary-janes and is possibly dead" 8O hehe
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:D I just listened to that whole concert again last night. She seems to talk so much more when she's by herself.