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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: zurielshimon on July 07, 2005, 10:37:19 pm
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I finally have it! :D My "White Houses" 12-inch single came in the mail today! :D Looky, looky:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0400.jpg)
Notice the anticipated release date which, of course, got pushed back again.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0402.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0403.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0405.jpg)
It sounds beautiful! :D
See more pictures here (http://photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/).
In the U.S., you can still order it here (http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3095859), but take note that stock is low. In the U.K., you can get it here (http://www.cdzone.co.uk/cgibin/cdzwww.cgi?1,addcart,found,2992943,426620D973B2B55FEE8B45F8F3C3CC6C!).
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Wow! That looks great! I'm about to order my copy in the UK! If only she released "White Houses" over here, I'm sure it would have done spectacular! "A Thousand Miles" went down great here, never mind "White Houses"!
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I've had this baby for a while ;)
It's great to have a 12" of Vanessa! I wish it had a full cover with the picture though. Guess we can't have it all...
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I think the beautiful picture label is an extremely nice touch. Those aren't very common on records. I remember I had scoured the Internet looking for that sweet voice cut into a piece of plastic for over a year with no luck before chancing on this find. I'm so glad to finally have it! :D And believe me, black pvc responds very well to her. 8)
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And I'll enjoy my CD with its better frequency response, no warble, and less noise. :)
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That's awesome! Thanks so much for posting the link; I just bought one.
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it looks beautiful
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And I'll enjoy my CD with its better frequency response, no warble, and less noise. :)
Better frequency response? Barely! Unless your needle is dull, a record (especially such a large-groove record as a 12" with only one song on each side!!) will have a frequency response that meets or exceeds that of the human ear. What more can you ask for? Second, noticible warble is a sign of poor manufacture or player malfunction, so have that checked out. And last (but not really last), noise is almost entirely dependent on the playing environment. Simply breathing while listening to music causes noise to the listener! And, when it comes down to it, a record can be played without the need of electricity whatsoever, whether piped in from a utility company or generated on the spot. :idea: Besides, until I can get a record cutter for my computer, it's gonna be easier to make a CD from a record than a record from a CD. And finally, though this particular record is an exception, 12" covers offer a much better opportunity for artwork appreciation than the little 5½" cover sheet on a CD. 8)
Apologies, but I just can't help trying to defend my vinyl! :wink:
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zurielshimon, thanks so much for posting this! I just ordered 2 copies :-) only $6.00! what a deal :-)
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Yes, I believe they were about $8 before I suddenly found them on an apparent clearance sale after returning from the Tower Records in Nashville, who didn't have it in stock (though they had a White Stripes LP and a Robert Johnson LP I wanted). Now they're only 79¢! :D
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You really didn't want to do this.
Better frequency response? Barely! Unless your needle is dull, a record (especially such a large-groove record as a 12" with only one song on each side!!) will have a frequency response that meets or exceeds that of the human ear.
Not quite, although this is a common myth. Sure, most records can easily reproduce 40 Hz to 20 kHz. It doesn't mean the frequency response curve is gonna be anywhere near linear. In fact, the curve is tweaked intentionally near the lower end to prevent the needle in the record player from shaking out of the groove! To make up for this roll off, RIAA equalization is applied to restore the original sound, amplifying turntable rumble and noise in this range.
Second, noticible warble is a sign of poor manufacture or player malfunction, so have that checked out.
Records warp just because of changes in temperature or humidity. This causes noticible warble over time, even with the best equipment.
And last (but not really last), noise is almost entirely dependent on the playing environment. Simply breathing while listening to music causes noise to the listener!
I'm talking about a higher noise floor inherent in the format. You obviously don't know what "noise" means in this context. I don't mean background noise. I mean static. I mean hiss. Electrical noise and noise from the imperfections of the needle itself in the case of records.
And, when it comes down to it, a record can be played without the need of electricity whatsoever, whether piped in from a utility company or generated on the spot.
And I have a discman that plays for 40 hours with two AA batteries. Who really cares about independence from the power company? I'd rather have fidelity over the ability to listen without electricity.
And finally, though this particular record is an exception, 12" covers offer a much better opportunity for artwork appreciation than the little 5½" cover sheet on a CD. 8)
Does that make up for the crappy sound reproduction inherent in the format?
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You really didn't want to do this.
man ear.
Not quite, although this is a common myth. Sure, most records can easily reproduce 40 Hz to 20 kHz. It doesn't mean the frequency response curve is gonna be anywhere near linear. In fact, the curve is tweaked intentionally near the lower end to prevent the needle in the record player from shaking out of the groove! To make up for this roll off, RIAA equalization is applied to restore the original sound, amplifying turntable rumble and noise in this range.
Records warp just because of changes in temperature or humidity. This causes noticible warble over time, even with the best equipment.
I'm talking about a higher noise floor inherent in the format. You obviously don't know what "noise" means in this context. I don't mean background noise. I mean static. I mean hiss. Electrical noise and noise from the imperfections of the needle itself in the case of records.
And I have a discman that plays for 40 hours with two AA batteries. Who really cares about independence from the power company? I'd rather have fidelity over the ability to listen without electricity.
Does that make up for the crappy sound reproduction inherent in the format?
It's all about the aesthetics of the thing! Geez! :razz:
Plus, I said these records have larger grooves. Larger grooves and more space allows for better bass and reduction of rumble.
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Look everybody- Vinyl's are better! Ask you dad! Seriously though you'd rather listen to Sgt. Peppers on vinyl than c.d and it just gives a different feel listening to it on a record and it can't be beat!
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Look everybody- Vinyl's are better! Ask you dad! Seriously though you'd rather listen to Sgt. Peppers on vinyl than c.d and it just gives a different feel listening to it on a record and it can't be beat!
It's nostalga. People have been listening to that music in that format far longer than they have been listening to it in a digital format. They like the harmonic distortion and such present in the older equipment and formats. I can understand people wanting to listen to older stuff on vinyl. It's part of the sound. Just don't claim that vinyl is technically superior to modern digital stuff, because it 'aint.
What got me in this thread is that Vanessa's stuff has been recorded and mastered in digital. The target format is CD. Any vinyl release will be of lower quality than the original CD. If I want all the distortion and noise, I have effects processors I can use to recreate that. *yawn*. Vinyl releases of newer stuff are wastes of money, unless you scratch.
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Vanessa's back...in POG form!
(vague Simpsons reference)
Nice artwork! Thanks for posting the pics.
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I finally have it! :D My "White Houses" 12-inch single came in the mail today! :D Looky, looky:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0400.jpg)
Notice the anticipated release date which, of course, got pushed back again.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0402.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0403.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/IMGA0405.jpg)
It sounds beautiful! :D
See more pictures here (http://photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/).
In the U.S., you can still order it here (http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3095859), but take note that stock is low. In the U.K., you can get it here (http://www.cdzone.co.uk/cgibin/cdzwww.cgi?1,addcart,found,2992943,426620D973B2B55FEE8B45F8F3C3CC6C!).
I KNEW IT!!!
I remember I was so excited to know it came out 19 Octobre,
But then it wasn't out.
Then I found out it had been pushed back.
Boy did that like,
Not make my day.
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Anyhow.
That's an awesome looking record.
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Vanessa's back...in POG form!
(vague Simpsons reference)
I got that... right away... *stops watching cartoons so much!*
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Vanessa's back...in POG form!
(vague Simpsons reference)
I got that... right away... *stops watching cartoons so much!*
No! More asbestos,! more asbestos!..I mean more cartoons! There's nothing wrong with "animated shows" 8)
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Look everybody- Vinyl's are better! Ask you dad! Seriously though you'd rather listen to Sgt. Peppers on vinyl than c.d and it just gives a different feel listening to it on a record and it can't be beat!
It's nostalga. People have been listening to that music in that format far longer than they have been listening to it in a digital format. They like the harmonic distortion and such present in the older equipment and formats. I can understand people wanting to listen to older stuff on vinyl. It's part of the sound. Just don't claim that vinyl is technically superior to modern digital stuff, because it 'aint.
What got me in this thread is that Vanessa's stuff has been recorded and mastered in digital. The target format is CD. Any vinyl release will be of lower quality than the original CD. If I want all the distortion and noise, I have effects processors I can use to recreate that. *yawn*. Vinyl releases of newer stuff are wastes of money, unless you scratch.
With the exception of the White Stripes, perhaps among others. Jack White insists on analog recording and editing, using no equipment manufactured after the '60s. Therefore, White Stripes records should be the real deal and a White Stripes CD is just a digitized copy.
But I think I can conclude this by stating that it's a 20-year-old argument that has yet to be resolved, and probably won't be in the near future. My sources tell me that vinyl sales are actually making a modest increase, so whatever the reason, there are still several people who like it.
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This is an interesting discussion. However, does it really matter who prefers what? Maybe one person prefers vinyl due to their own personal reasons, whilst others prefer digital due to theirs. We can't change people's opinions by our own, we can just express them. I can sense an argument starting over this topic!
Sorry for being so dry! Lol, I just don't want people to fight!
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I understand that perfectly, and I raise my glass to you! (Just kidding, I don't have a glass, especially as it's not but 8:46 in the morning. :wink: )
But these differences of opinion are certainly not the same as someone saying, "I can't stand Vanessa, I think she dresses weird and her voice just makes my eyeballs wanna rattle loose! And that song gets on my nerves! It plays all the time and it's so blah blah blah..." ?? It's okay to try to change their opinion? 8)
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I understand that perfectly, and I raise my glass to you! (Just kidding, I don't have a glass, especially as it's not but 8:46 in the morning. :wink: )
But these differences of opinion are certainly not the same as someone saying, "I can't stand Vanessa, I think she dresses weird and her voice just makes my eyeballs wanna rattle loose! And that song gets on my nerves! It plays all the time and it's so blah blah blah..." ?? It's okay to try to change their opinion? 8)
Maybe.
I always get quite annoyed when people are constantly trying to get me to believe what they do.
I say
You try once or twice,
And then give up.
Cause you'll just end up pissing someone off.
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Look everybody- Vinyl's are better! Ask you dad! Seriously though you'd rather listen to Sgt. Peppers on vinyl than c.d and it just gives a different feel listening to it on a record and it can't be beat!
It's nostalga. People have been listening to that music in that format far longer than they have been listening to it in a digital format. They like the harmonic distortion and such present in the older equipment and formats. I can understand people wanting to listen to older stuff on vinyl. It's part of the sound. Just don't claim that vinyl is technically superior to modern digital stuff, because it 'aint.
What got me in this thread is that Vanessa's stuff has been recorded and mastered in digital. The target format is CD. Any vinyl release will be of lower quality than the original CD. If I want all the distortion and noise, I have effects processors I can use to recreate that. *yawn*. Vinyl releases of newer stuff are wastes of money, unless you scratch.
I don't even know where to begin! Ha Ha! ANY recording introduces a coloration of sound, and sound is so objective. I have lived through the digital revolution long enough to know that vinyl, CD's, DVD-Audio's, DAT's, SACD's, etc. are limited by the quality of what goes in(i.e. garbage in, garbage out) and what can really make or break an album's sound is the MASTERING. So many albums these days are compressed all to hell(ex. listen to Private Radio, omg is it over EQ'd or what?) in something called by some industry types as "the loudness wars". Nuff said about that.
How can a statement be made like "any vinyl release will be lower quality than the original CD"? How many A/B comparisons have actually been made? I'm willing to bet not too many. To have a preference is one's right; to generalize just shows a lack of knowledge.
Don't be so sure VC's tracks are all digital. And if you listen to a track like "C'est La Vie", you'll hear the sound of either analog tape or a REAL noisy mic pre. That sure wasn't cut on Pro Tools HD.
To be sure, there are bad recordings, both analog and digital. I happen to still like vinyl, though ALL formats irk me. Sure, the pops, clicks, and inner groove distortion pee me off, but there is still a musical thing happening there. I've recorded directly into Pro Tools, and it just stinks on ice. I don't exactly know why. My Panasonic DAT just blows it away.
It's been said that digital is only slices of an analog signal, and everything must end up analog anyway, till someone can figure out how to get ones and zeros to come out of one's speakers. Who knows? Just enjoy the MUSIC. And I'm all over that Vanessa vinyl!
Peace,
Dan/NS
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I can make ones and zeros come out of my speakers, especially when I turn the modem on loud. 8) The only way digital is going to become the superior way to go is if we get rid of sampling and instead make digital music what it's supposed to be: A series of algorithms defining every nuance in a complex sine wave, such as recorded sound. That's what analog recording does, and it's what digital should do, only better. Analog recordings are subject to distortion because they are nothing more than a mechanically scaled-down resemblance of the sound events that are captured. Sampled digital recordings, to put it simply, are just a series of numbers that tell at what position the microphone's diaphragm was at at each certain point of time a sample was taken. This results in a stair-step wave that can, at best, be converted to a line-and-point graph resembling a sine wave (but no more than an equilateral polygon with 44,100 sides can resemble a true circle). If sound is recorded as I described, what we have is a set series of wave nuances that is digitally represented, therefore immune to the distortion that can be created in duplication, yet the resulting interpretation is a that of a true sine wave, free of the impurities of sampling.
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I can make ones and zeros come out of my speakers, especially when I turn the modem on loud. 8)
No.... you're hearing a broadband representation of a baseband signal. It's not the same thing.
Sampled digital recordings, to put it simply, are just a series of numbers that tell at what position the microphone's diaphragm was at at each certain point of time a sample was taken. This results in a stair-step wave that can, at best, be converted to a line-and-point graph resembling a sine wave (but no more than an equilateral polygon with 44,100 sides can resemble a true circle).
You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Nyquist-Shannon tells me that with sufficient sample size (16 bit provides a 110 dB dynamic range at best, vinyl will be 60 dB best case), I can reconstruct the original signal perfectly from the sampled version if the sampling rate is twice that of the bandwidth of the signal.
Also, apparently you've never heard of a Delta-Sigma DAC. A stair-step wave would introduce harmonics into the recording that weren't there to begin with. That was a problem with early CD players that didn't use DS DACs. It hasn't been an issue, however, for twenty years.
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I'm pretty sure that everyone here that has posted knows more than the average person about sound(I'm actually very impressed that this is on a Vanessa site!).
Personally, although I have a cursory knowledge of some of the theory put forth, I can admit that sometimes, even with what I know about resistance, bandwidth, word length, differential linearity of D/A converters, clock jitter, Reed-Solomon error correction, bias current, and magnetism, I STILL don't know for certain why something sounds like sh**.
Dan/NS
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I'm pretty sure that everyone here that has posted knows more than the average person about sound(I'm actually very impressed that this is on a Vanessa site!)
i'm tone deaf. :mrgreen:
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I'm pretty sure that everyone here that has posted knows more than the average person about sound(I'm actually very impressed that this is on a Vanessa site!)
i'm tone deaf. :mrgreen:
Everyone except Brian.
Dan/NS
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that is soooo awesome!!! :D
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I'm pretty sure that everyone here that has posted knows more than the average person about sound(I'm actually very impressed that this is on a Vanessa site!)
i'm tone deaf. :mrgreen:
Everyone except Brian.
Dan/NS
good...glad we cleared that up. :D
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I can make ones and zeros come out of my speakers, especially when I turn the modem on loud. 8)
No.... you're hearing a broadband representation of a baseband signal. It's not the same thing.
What about when I play a data CD on a CD player? What would you call that sound?
Sampled digital recordings, to put it simply, are just a series of numbers that tell at what position the microphone's diaphragm was at at each certain point of time a sample was taken. This results in a stair-step wave that can, at best, be converted to a line-and-point graph resembling a sine wave (but no more than an equilateral polygon with 44,100 sides can resemble a true circle).
You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Nyquist-Shannon tells me that with sufficient sample size (16 bit provides a 110 dB dynamic range at best, vinyl will be 60 dB best case), I can reconstruct the original signal perfectly from the sampled version if the sampling rate is twice that of the bandwidth of the signal.
Also, apparently you've never heard of a Delta-Sigma DAC. A stair-step wave would introduce harmonics into the recording that weren't there to begin with. That was a problem with early CD players that didn't use DS DACs. It hasn't been an issue, however, for twenty years.
And just what does a DAC do other than play connect-the-dot? True sound has no dots, no matter how close together they may be.
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I can make ones and zeros come out of my speakers, especially when I turn the modem on loud. 8)
No.... you're hearing a broadband representation of a baseband signal. It's not the same thing.
What about when I play a data CD on a CD player? What would you call that sound?
If your CD player does anything with a data CD, it isn't designed properly. Data CDs don't have the formatting a redbook CD has. It's really gibberish and any sound you get from it might as well be pulled out your ass. It is meaningless.
Sampled digital recordings, to put it simply, are just a series of numbers that tell at what position the microphone's diaphragm was at at each certain point of time a sample was taken. This results in a stair-step wave that can, at best, be converted to a line-and-point graph resembling a sine wave (but no more than an equilateral polygon with 44,100 sides can resemble a true circle).
You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Nyquist-Shannon tells me that with sufficient sample size (16 bit provides a 110 dB dynamic range at best, vinyl will be 60 dB best case), I can reconstruct the original signal perfectly from the sampled version if the sampling rate is twice that of the bandwidth of the signal.
Also, apparently you've never heard of a Delta-Sigma DAC. A stair-step wave would introduce harmonics into the recording that weren't there to begin with. That was a problem with early CD players that didn't use DS DACs. It hasn't been an issue, however, for twenty years.
And just what does a DAC do other than play connect-the-dot? True sound has no dots, no matter how close together they may be.
You obviously don't know anything about signal theory or information theory.
Digital audio is discrete. Analog audio is continuous. Just because samples are discrete doesn't mean that it is somehow lower quality than a continuous representation of the signal. In signal theory, we speak of the information content of a signal. For example, although 35mm photography provides a continuous image, it has a rather low information content compared to higher end digital gear. Various estimates have placed the information content of a fine grain 35mm print at 3.5-4 megapixels. The point is, just because a signal is analog doesn't mean that it automatically has infinite dynamic or time-domain resolution. It is just simply easier to quantify the information content in an digital system than it is to do in an analog system.
You are making the error that a continuous signal always has a higher information content than a discrete one. Vinyl provably has less time-domain resolution and dynamic resolution than a standard CD. Thus, it has a lower information content than a CD, despite the fact that the signal is continuous.
As for connecting the dots, please read up on the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem before you reply again. There are many intuitive, not very math heavy informal proofs for it out there.
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I would never presume that analog always has more information than digital. A low-bias cassette tape doesn't have much (usable) information on it, for example. But a continuous signal, in theory, has the capacity to hold more information. What if, in theory, I had a record cutter that made grooves about two inches across? Assuming all of my hardware is without flaw, I should be able to cut a wave into a piece of plastic that would hold a marvel of detail from the original sound wave. Just like in a camera, where you can megapixel it to death, but there will always be a level of sharpness you can't achieve with dots, even if you interpolate between them.
As for Nyquist-Shannon, I'll read that tomorrow.
And older CD players would play the buzzy, chattery nonsense of a data CD assuming it was supposed to be sound data, not knowing (or caring about) the difference.
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But a continuous signal, in theory, has the capacity to hold more information. What if, in theory, I had a record cutter that made grooves about two inches across? Assuming all of my hardware is without flaw, I should be able to cut a wave into a piece of plastic that would hold a marvel of detail from the original sound wave.
You're absolutely correct. The problem is, you're comparing CD to commercial vinyl, not your theoretical vinyl system, which has too many engineering obstacles to ever be practical anyway.
There are some areas where analog recording methods still reign supreme. Large format photography is probably the best example. A strip of fine grain, large format film can capture so much that they put CCDs to shame. However, that is more of a problem with CCD technology being what it is than it is rather than film (and analog formats in general) being so great. The fact is, digital recording technology can now capture more aural information than the the ear can detect. While it is certainly possible to do this with magnetic media and analog recording, it is more expensive and inconvenient to do so. It would be possible to do it with vinyl, but it would be a royal pain in the ass, engineering-wise. So far, nobody has done it. There is no reason to, anyway.
Just like in a camera, where you can megapixel it to death, but there will always be a level of sharpness you can't achieve with dots, even if you interpolate between them.
You'll run into the same problem, even with high end film. No medium has infinite information capacity, continuous or discrete. I'm rather impressed with the work of the Gigapxl Project (http://gigapxl.org/). They take a picture with fine grain large format film and scan it. You can see in the enlargements, however, that there is a definite limit to how much detail film can reproduce, even if huge resolutions are used. Analog is no panacea for loss of information.
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The fact is, digital recording technology can now capture more aural information than the the ear can detect.
Damn it! Why did you have to go and ruin all of my wonderful theory with something as ineffectual as the human ear?! :x
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woohoo i got an email saying mine was shipped! im excited. i never would have ordered it but for .79 cents i couldnt resist.
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woohoo i got an email saying mine was shipped! im excited. i never would have ordered it but for .79 cents i couldnt resist.
dayam...just ordered it. nice and cheap :D
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Mine is already on the way!
Fans of harmonic distortion, unite!
Dan/NS
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Fans of harmonic distortion, unite!
:-P
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Mine came in the mail yesterday! I love it.
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I'm glad to hear it! :D
Last time I was on the Tower site, it said "Low Stock". I guess they haven't sold out yet?
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*sigh* mine didnt come yet... :cry:
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*sigh* mine didnt come yet... :cry:
Hang in there; sometimes it just takes a few days. Now it no longer says "Low Stock"; it says "Usually ships 1-2 weeks". So maybe soon. :)
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there's no point in defending vinyls... it's very true what Will said and he explained very well! (i won't have to repeat all of that explanation now :) Cd IS a superior format in terms of sound quality. Of course, theoretically vinyl can exceed cd's limitations, it is not at all practical. I'm not saying that cd is better than vinyl in general. I'm saying that cd is always better than vinyl in its sound quality; there is NO argument to that. If you're looking for a picture label vinyl, or you are a scratch dj, or you just simply like the "vinyl sound", go ahead and buy this record at all means. As for the purposes of listening to a vanessa recording with the best sound quality you can get, just stick to the cd. After all, that is one of the big reasons that vinyls are NOT the major music format anymore and cd's are.
I find that some people just have a tendency to rebel to anything or want to be people that don't follow the traditional norms. Thus, there have been a lot of people spreading false myths glorifying vinyls for the sake of thinking it is so cool to be old skool and different from widespread use of cd's. I think that just makes you look dumber.
ok enough with my thoughts... and the last part was just my opinion and observation so if anyone was offended, GOOD FOR YOU! :) just kidding. I just hope everyone realized some things out all this.
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there's no point in defending vinyls... Cd IS a superior format in terms of sound quality. Of course, theoretically vinyl can exceed cd's limitations, it is not at all practical. I'm not saying that cd is better than vinyl in general. I'm saying that cd is always better than vinyl in its sound quality; there is NO argument to that.
As for the purposes of listening to a vanessa recording with the best sound quality you can get, just stick to the cd. After all, that is one of the big reasons that vinyls are NOT the major music format anymore and cd's are.
I find that some people just have a tendency to rebel to anything or want to be people that don't follow the traditional norms. Thus, there have been a lot of people spreading false myths glorifying vinyls for the sake of thinking it is so cool to be old skool and different from widespread use of cd's. I think that just makes you look dumber.
Lots of what you say is simply your opinion stated as fact, like "CD is always better than vinyl". No argument to that? Guess again! Have you listened to many vinyl vs. CD issues? I'll bet you haven't. True, there is a geek factor involved with vinyl, and a few of us here do remember listening to vinyl in years past. And let me point out that many early CD's sounded terrible. Some CD's also sound terrible today, due to horrible overuse of EQ, compression, and maximization during mastering. ANY medium is only as good as what you put into it--as I've said before, garbage in, garbage out. Having said that, I like both formats.
Really, some people can't get past some of vinyl's weaknesses--pops, clicks, scratches, inner groove distortion, etc., which I understand, 'cause I don't like that either! Add to this the fact that it takes a bit of tweaking to make a LP track properly and therefore sound good, whereas a CD can sound good from a Discman.
The bottom line is that, when all is said and done, it's all subjective. No two people hear anything the same. What you prefer is what you prefer, and there's no need to diss someone's else's taste.
CD's started outselling records in 1988. It's more than nostalgia that keeps people coming back.
Dan/NS
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they should make a Harmonium VINYL
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I got my records yesterday...
One to use and I'm putting one on the wall. Yeah, I'm a dork, I know. I can't wait to commandeer a record player and listen.
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got the e-mail that said mine was shipped, so i should be getting it soon
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weeee I got mine yesterday!! I was so excited! It sounded great. I baught two so I could listen to one and keep the other for collectors thing. My dad said it would be worth alot someday because it sounded so great but I dunno.
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Of course, theoretically vinyl can exceed cd's limitations, it is not at all practical.
CDs limitations? The only problem with CD is the crappy dynamic range compared to some newer digital formats (OMG.... I love 24 bit recording!). Regardless, it is still orders of magnitude better than vinyl.
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I got my 12" two days ago, and it stands toe-to-toe with the CD. I still favor the CD. There is less excessive EQ on the vinyl, and there is vinyl's famous midrange distortion. The CD is a little bright, as is the fad. There still is lots of compression, which I'm assuming was added in Pro Tools, but it still sounds good...it's Vanessa, after all!
I did a needle drop of both sides to my DAT, and I'm pleased with the results.
Could be worse.....could be cassette!!!
Dan/NS
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Lol, cassette. That's a whole other story!
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I did an ABX comparison between cassette and CD for a science project once. Only about half of the people could consistently tell us which one was cassette and which one was CD. It was rather interesting. I'd think the hiss would give it away.
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True. That's what I would think too. Some CDs have hiss in them, but it's because something in the recording or editing created hiss, especially if analog equipment was used at any step along the way. Cassette tapes will always have hiss, even if the master doesn't. The tape in a cassette is just too small to overcome it. Perhaps some people just don't know that there's such a difference between cassettes and CDs, so they weren't listening to it. That shouldn't be surprising since a lot of people can't point out Canada on a map.
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If the group in the experiment were just average people from off the street, I'm not surprised. It certainly explains how mp3's are so popular, and why so many CD's are overcompressed and sound like crap. To toot our own horns, we (serious music fans) listen to music in a critical way that the average person does not.
Dan/NS
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All students with a few teachers and family members thrown in.
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White Houses was on both sides..was there any difference?
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Not that I could hear. I only played it twice. The mix appears to be identical.
Dan/NS
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got mine yesterday. :)
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I always knew you would get yours, Brian. :D
Dan/NS
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I always knew you would get yours, Brian. :D
Dan/NS
i was like so totally surprise when i got mine though....it was so unexpected :razz:
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thank you so much for the link!
i ordered mine on wednesday night on the cdzone uk site. i couldnt help myself ordering the white houses cd single with it. but you americans are so lucky, you can get it for so little money!
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thank you so much for the link!
i ordered mine on wednesday night on the cdzone uk site. i couldnt help myself ordering the white houses cd single with it. but you americans are so lucky, you can get it for so little money!
Actually, I order a lot of stuff from cdzone.co.uk simply because of the availability and the low shipping rates. Right after I bought that "White Houses" record, I ordered the White Stripes' "Blue Orchid" 7" from cdzone because it was only 80p plus postage!
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does the vinyl only play white houses on each side?
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does the vinyl only play white houses on each side?
Yep, it's AA sided.
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Are there any other Vanessa Carlton records available for purchase besides the White Houses record? Please let me know someone. Thanks,
Chris
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It took me forever to stumble upon this one after combing the Internet in hopes of a jukebox 45. If I find any more, I'll be sure to post about them... After, of course, mine arrives safely in the mail. :wink:
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I finally have it! :D My "White Houses" 12-inch single came in the mail today! :D Looky, looky:
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Notice the anticipated release date which, of course, got pushed back again.
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It sounds beautiful! :D
See more pictures here (http://photobucket.com/albums/v518/weetbixkid35/Vanessa%20Carlton%20White%20Houses%20Record/).
In the U.S., you can still order it here (http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3095859), but take note that stock is low. In the U.K., you can get it here (http://www.cdzone.co.uk/cgibin/cdzwww.cgi?1,addcart,found,2992943,426620D973B2B55FEE8B45F8F3C3CC6C!).
Why it look different?
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Why it look different?
What you mean?
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Why it look different?
What you mean?
I mean.. the cd that I have its different!...
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Well, if you read any of this thread :roll: ...
This isn't the Harmonium CD, it's not even a CD, it's the "White Houses" single record.
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I didn't knoW!!1
thanks for the info! :lol: 8)
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You're welcome! Are you gonna buy one? :) Or two? :D
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ok....
i placed an order with that cdzone.co.uk over 6 weeks ago and they still havent been able to get hold of a copy. its really pissing me off.
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I just wanted to let everyone know that after three years of holding on to it and hoping and dreaming, I finally got my White Houses vinyl record signed by Vanessa Carlton!
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After the Nashville concert, I skipped out to the car... Okay, I didn't actually skip, but I moved quickly, and I got the record out of the trunk (I had brought it just in case) and went behind the building and loitered around in the lot near the bus hoping I or someone else would catch her before she ran off. Four other people and I just barely stopped her from trying to disappear for a moment, and she had to borrow a Sharpie from someone and she signed a couple of shirts and made a couple of pictures for the other four, and signed my White Houses record. She was amazed to see it because she didn't know it even existed and wanted to know where she could get one. I told her where I had bought mine, and it now it looks like they're available again.
Go to http://www.tower.com/white-houses-vanessa-carlton-vinyl/wapi/106440245. Never mind the Japanese-looking artwork they have on the page; it's the same UPC as the one I have here. It says it's on sale and ships within 12 hours!
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Cool! I would get one as a collector's item; I would never play it, seeing as how I don't have a record player anyway.
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thanks for the link! Im gonna buy one!
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YAY! I thought I was three years too late! Im goning to buy two!