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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: on February 25, 2006, 07:40:41 pm
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Wow. She says the album is already almost done. I hope she didn't rush it because of the last one was a disappointment commercially and she wants to get her name back out there quickly.
I LOVED the way she and Stephan put together Harmonium and I'm a little skeptical about the whole Linda Perry thing.
Oh well, hopefully I'm just being paranoid. But I still wish she would have had Stephan produce this album too. I guess he's got his own shit to work on though. He can't be just producing records for his girlfriend all the time :)
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Wow. She says the album is already almost done. I hope she didn't rush it because of the last one was a disappointment commercially and she wants to get her name back out there quickly.
I LOVED the way she and Stephan put together Harmonium and I'm a little skeptical about the whole Linda Perry thing.
Oh well, hopefully I'm just being paranoid. But I still wish she would have had Stephan produce this album too. I guess he's got his own shit to work on though. He can't be just producing records for his girlfriend all the time :)
The Linda Perry thing may work out well for her.
I look at it this way, the whole Stevie Nicks thing is probably the best thing that has happened to V's career at this point. The more Vanessa works with people who have been established in the business, the better things hopefully will turn out.
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yes, vanessa is extremely lucky to have someone like stevie nicks behind her.
i loved stephen's production on harmonium, but isn't he still involved with this record too a little bit? i'm not sure.
anyway can't wait til it comes out! :D
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as an artist if you want to grow... you try new things
its the best thing ever for her to work with a different set of ears
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its the best thing ever for her to work with a different set of ears
And eyes :wink: With V "working on artwork" right now, I can't wait to see how
"being a part of Stevie's world" i.e. Sulamith Wülfing, influences her artwork
Peace
Aaron
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I gotta say I'm a little worried too! Linda Perry has worked with alot of bubblegum pop people. I think the only song that stands out of what I've heard is "All is well", the others don't get me wrong are beautiful but theyre all on the same theme, love, which there's nothing wrong with that but Vanessa always had a way of making songsout of creative topics and I liked that.
Don't think she would rush her album though, I hope.
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I'm ready for a more commercial album, honestly. I wanna turn on the radio and hear V. I loved Harmonium, but I am really hungry for V having success with an album again. Hearing that it is almost finished makes me really excited. It's been more than a long time since Harmonium was finished, so I don't think she's rushing it.
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the others don't get me wrong are beautiful but theyre all on the same theme, love, which there's nothing wrong with that but Vanessa always had a way of making songs out of creative topics and I liked that.
Don't think she would rush her album though, I hope.
I agree with Dora. Then again, like the rest of you, I've got a ton of respect for Vanessa and her integrity and I'm not gonna comment on the similar themes (which has kinda worried me too) until I hear the actual album. Vanessa's range of song themes is one of the major things that seperates her from artists like Michelle Branch (who I also love but is nowhere near the lyricist that Vanessa is) so I'm hoping she has some more edgy and dark songs that she hasn't played live yet.
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I'm ready for a more commercial album, honestly. I wanna turn on the radio and hear V. I loved Harmonium, but I am really hungry for V having success with an album again.
YEAH!!! And wouldn't it be, like, so totally cool if she made her hair blonde and rapped on some of the songs and did a bunch of comercials and started chewing a lot of bubble-gum and made friends with Hilary Duff and Paris Hilton and dumped Stephan Jenkins for Aaron Carter and moved to Beverly Hills and got rid of Victor and got a poodle and toured with Ashlee Simpson and...:roll:
Seriously, Vanessa is an artist, not a product.
And why does everyone correlate the word "success" to sales and profits instead of quality? We're talking about music here, not Wall Street.
Harmonium was good, so it was a success. Ashlee Simpson's 1st album sucked, so it was a failure--I don't care how many gullable teeny-boppers succumbed to marketing and bought the damn record and made radio requests.
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I think Stevie Nicks's support of Vanessa is so cool. Nicks is a real artist, and having a real artist recognize another real artist's talent and supporting her can do nothing but good. It proves that V has much more substance than the most popular commercial successes out today.
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^i completely agree, max, about the definition of success. harmonium is one of my favorite albums, and i'd rather have that album than something that's considered successful by the rest of the world..
Wow. She says the album is already almost done. I hope she didn't rush it because of the last one was a disappointment commercially and she wants to get her name back out there quickly.
I LOVED the way she and Stephan put together Harmonium and I'm a little skeptical about the whole Linda Perry thing.
Oh well, hopefully I'm just being paranoid. But I still wish she would have had Stephan produce this album too. I guess he's got his own shit to work on though. He can't be just producing records for his girlfriend all the time :)
stephan is working on this album. he's producing at least a few songs, from skywalker ranch. his band (minus brad) is her backing band (plus brain from gnr). he's definitely still working on the album.
i also think working with linda perry is a good thing, and not only because i love the new songs we've heard. it's definitely a good thing for her to be working with more established people in the bizz (stevie and linda). it makes it more possible for a successful album (using the definition of QUALITY), to be a successful album (using the definition of QUANTITY (sold)).
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^i completely agree, max, about the definition of success. harmonium is one of my favorite albums, and i'd rather have that album than something that's considered successful by the rest of the world..
I'm glad there are still some people out there who can make this distinction. I was starting to feel lonely. :)
stephan is working on this album. he's producing at least a few songs, from skywalker ranch. his band (minus brad) is her backing band (plus brain from gnr). he's definitely still working on the album.
i also think working with linda perry is a good thing, and not only because i love the new songs we've heard. it's definitely a good thing for her to be working with more established people in the bizz (stevie and linda). it makes it more possible for a successful album (using the definition of QUALITY), to be a successful album (using the definition of QUANTITY (sold)).
That all sounds really great. You've alleviated my paranoia quite a bit. I wonder if Vanessa will put any "rock" songs on this album? I think she kicked ass on those rock songs she did live with the Counting Crows. I think she's got just as good a voice for rock as she does for pop. She understands the different styles really well and she uses that deeper, more raspy voice on rock songs. Vanessa rules! 8)
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i'm glad i could help you out, on both counts. lol.
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I'm ready for a more commercial album, honestly. I wanna turn on the radio and hear V. I loved Harmonium, but I am really hungry for V having success with an album again.
YEAH!!! And wouldn't it be, like, so totally cool if she made her hair blonde and rapped on some of the songs and did a bunch of comercials and started chewing a lot of bubble-gum and made friends with Hilary Duff and Paris Hilton and dumped Stephan Jenkins for Aaron Carter and moved to Beverly Hills and got rid of Victor and got a poodle and toured with Ashlee Simpson and...:roll:
Seriously, Vanessa is an artist, not a product.
And why does everyone correlate the word "success" to sales and profits instead of quality? We're talking about music here, not Wall Street.
Harmonium was good, so it was a success. Ashlee Simpson's 1st album sucked, so it was a failure--I don't care how many gullable teeny-boppers succumbed to marketing and bought the damn record and made radio requests.
WOW.
i've never laughed out loud at a post on this board before.
hah
amazing
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I don't know, I am sure it will be all right...
I don't really enjoy Harmonium, though...so it would be interesting to hear a new direction. Not that I hate it...but it's really not a stick out album for me. She has some good songs on it; however, they don't seem as "deep" as the material on BnN (except songs like "annie"). So, all in all, while they are girl/boyfriend...I am glad she is working with someone besides Stephan.
At the end of the day, Vanessa is still Vanessa...so I am sure she will have to be happy with the product before letting it go. Linda will pull out a new side, but it'll still be Vanessa. Nessa won't turn into a Christina Aguilera.
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Wow. She says the album is already almost done. I hope she didn't rush it because of the last one was a disappointment commercially and she wants to get her name back out there quickly.
I LOVED the way she and Stephan put together Harmonium and I'm a little skeptical about the whole Linda Perry thing.
Oh well, hopefully I'm just being paranoid. But I still wish she would have had Stephan produce this album too. I guess he's got his own shit to work on though. He can't be just producing records for his girlfriend all the time :)
SJ is producing her album. Just not the whole thing.
She was in the studio with Third Eye Blind writing some tracks for her new record very recently, and he cowrote PYHOM, The One and Best Behavior.
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copycat. :P kinda. lol.
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lol i didn't feel like reading the whole thread.
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lazyass. :P
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I'm glad that SJ has some involvement in this cd. I'm not too worried that this next album will be too commercial pop. Vanessa has always been true to herself and I don't think she would sell herself short by making an album that isn't really what she's about. I'm not a huge fan of Linda Perry either, but I trust Vanessa and I just can't see her coming out with an album that's pop crap. She would know that her true fans would be disappointed. And yes, the majority of the new songs are lovey and a sort of different tone from Harmonium, but compare her new songs to say, any one of Ashlee Simpson's songs. There's no comparison. I think Vanessa's music will always be superior to most of the popular female artists'. I'm sorry if this makes no sense but I kinda have a migraine right now.
On a completely different note about Vanessa's new post, what the heck is a bella donna?
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I'm glad that SJ has some involvement in this cd. I'm not too worried that this next album will be too commercial pop. Vanessa has always been true to herself and I don't think she would sell herself short by making an album that isn't really what she's about. I'm not a huge fan of Linda Perry either, but I trust Vanessa and I just can't see her coming out with an album that's pop crap. She would know that her true fans would be disappointed. And yes, the majority of the new songs are lovey and a sort of different tone from Harmonium, but compare her new songs to say, any one of Ashlee Simpson's songs. There's no comparison. I think Vanessa's music will always be superior to most of the popular female artists'. I'm sorry if this makes no sense but I kinda have a migraine right now.
On a completely different note about Vanessa's new post, what the heck is a bella donna?
Bella Donna is the title of Stevie's first solo album from 1981, the one with "Edge of Seventeen"(Sampled for Bootylicious to you younger ones) and "Leather and Lace" and "Stop Dragging my Heart Around".
Keep in mind how much a song can morph once a producer gets hold of it. Sometimes a song can really take on a new life, or a different path. Look at what happned with "She Floats" and "C'est La Vie". Could anyone have guessed that SJ would gone the White Stripes route with CLV?
SJ did a friggin' world class job last time out....happy he's doing it again.
Dan/NS
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Omg, when she said "the back of the bella donna" it sounded like Stevie was riding an elephant or something. :lol:
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I don't know why anyone would be "worried" about ANY Vanessa album. She's got an amazing understanding of melody & songwriting in general & (for me at least) I'm a "Nessaholic" because SHE NEVER FAILS to impress & inspire me. I love her style. And no matter how much she GROWS or changes as an artist, she's never going to stray from that. She's always going to have Vanessa's voice & Vanessa's thoughts...& that's what I love about her. Why does everyone claim to be so anti-pop? Vanessa's music IS pop. That's not at all a bad thing! It has nothing to do with the other female artists, like Ashlee or Lindsay. We all know she's not the same.
All I know is she can't let ME down. No way. Never. :)
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I don't know why anyone would be "worried" about ANY Vanessa album. She's got an amazing understanding of melody & songwriting in general & (for me at least) I'm a "Nessaholic" because SHE NEVER FAILS to impress & inspire me. I love her style. And no matter how much she GROWS or changes as an artist, she's never going to stray from that. She's always going to have Vanessa's voice & Vanessa's thoughts...& that's what I love about her. Why does everyone claim to be so anti-pop? Vanessa's music IS pop. That's not at all a bad thing! It has nothing to do with the other female artists, like Ashlee or Lindsay. We all know she's not the same.
All I know is she can't let ME down. No way. Never. :)
i agree.
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Thank you!! I'm so glad. :)
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She's always going to have V's voice & V's thoughts...& that's what I love about her.
And with less interference from any label; I'm sure that's why the original lyrics for
Ordinary Day have returned to current live performances; its a stand for freedom!
Peace
Aaron
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The only way Vanessa could ever let me down is if she completely lost ground of everything that she stands for, started lipsynching, and made out with Britney Spears on tv. But we all know that that is never going to happen. :)
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I don't know why anyone would be "worried" about ANY Vanessa album. She's got an amazing understanding of melody & songwriting in general & (for me at least) I'm a "Nessaholic" because SHE NEVER FAILS to impress & inspire me. I love her style. And no matter how much she GROWS or changes as an artist, she's never going to stray from that. She's always going to have Vanessa's voice & Vanessa's thoughts...& that's what I love about her. Why does everyone claim to be so anti-pop? Vanessa's music IS pop. That's not at all a bad thing! It has nothing to do with the other female artists, like Ashlee or Lindsay. We all know she's not the same.
All I know is she can't let ME down. No way. Never. :)
I don't want to speak for others, but it didn't seem like anyone was bashing pop or claiming that Vanessa wasn't. I think some people are a little concerned about Vanessa deviating a tiny bit from her natural artistic inclinations in order to insure that the next album is a commercial success. It appears that what is fueling this paranoia is that, although all the lyrics are very good, the themes of her new songs have been relatively similar; whereas, Harmonium was soooooo diverse.
I'm pretty sure no one is worried about her turning into Ms. Lohan though. :lol:
I agree with you regarding not killing the chicken before it's hatched. Vanessa has NEVER done anything but make beautiful music in the past, and none of us should question the next album 'till we've heard it. When I first posted in this thead, I think I mentioned that I was a little paranoid, but I've decided that I shouldn't have been. There is no reason I shouldn't trust Vanessa.
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eeeee, new VC soon!! *dies*
Thank you for reading my interesting comment...:P
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Me and Sammy (uncertainterms) get to hear a couple of the new tracks while we're in SF next month... we'll let you know all how they are.
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Me and Sammy (uncertainterms) get to hear a couple of the new tracks while we're in SF next month... we'll let you know all how they are.
3EB or Vanessa? Or both?
Dan/NS
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both
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I sent you a PM uncertainterms :) its just a question i have...lol
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I am pumped for the new album, I hope it gets more hype than the last one (for VC's sake of course).
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I hope Vanessa makes her next album different from the others, weve heard BNN and Harmonium......lets try something new from Nessa ^^.
..................wow i sound lame.
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I hope Vanessa makes her next album different from the others, weve heard BNN and Harmonium......lets try something new from Nessa ^^.
..................wow i sound lame.
I don't want anything too radically different. She's one of my favorite artists for a reason. If she experiments with some different sounds a little, that's okay because that's all part of growing as an artist. But the reason I'm on these boards is because I love BNN and Harmonium. 8)
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I'm ready for a more commercial album, honestly. I wanna turn on the radio and hear V. I loved Harmonium, but I am really hungry for V having success with an album again.
YEAH!!! And wouldn't it be, like, so totally cool if she made her hair blonde and rapped on some of the songs and did a bunch of comercials and started chewing a lot of bubble-gum and made friends with Hilary Duff and Paris Hilton and dumped Stephan Jenkins for Aaron Carter and moved to Beverly Hills and got rid of Victor and got a poodle and toured with Ashlee Simpson and...:roll:
Seriously, Vanessa is an artist, not a product.
And why does everyone correlate the word "success" to sales and profits instead of quality? We're talking about music here, not Wall Street.
Harmonium was good, so it was a success. Ashlee Simpson's 1st album sucked, so it was a failure--I don't care how many gullable teeny-boppers succumbed to marketing and bought the damn record and made radio requests.
SPOT ON :D :D :D
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Me and Sammy (uncertainterms) get to hear a couple of the new tracks while we're in SF next month... we'll let you know all how they are.
3EB or Vanessa? Or both?
Dan/NS
Please please please could you try get a recording, if you are aloud that is? Third eye blind are my favourite band and i cant wait to hear some new stuff of theres plus i am so up for the next VC album i think i am going to blow... a couple of decent recordings would be great. Oh and will you have the chance to speak with VC and 3eb? If so ask SJ when 3eb are coming to UK and ask VC the same question. I have been waiting since december 1997. Think i am going to have to fly out to USA for 2 weeks and go see VC, 3eb and Dave Matthews Band live in concert, i think it the only chance of me seeing them?
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I don't know if we'll be able to get recordings. If we visit the studio while they're in session I'm going to see if I can get some video, but that's it. I doubt I'll see Vanessa at all, I'll only be listening to the tracks and if that's so then I'm not going to record anything, there's copyright issues with that. So.
And Third Eye Blind is never going to go back to the UK. That's just how it is. Everyone knows it, even though it's sort of unspoken.
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But why are 3eb never going back to the UK what happened or why do they hate it so much?
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I don't know why anyone would be "worried" about ANY Vanessa album. She's got an amazing understanding of melody & songwriting in general & (for me at least) I'm a "Nessaholic" because SHE NEVER FAILS to impress & inspire me. I love her style. And no matter how much she GROWS or changes as an artist, she's never going to stray from that. She's always going to have Vanessa's voice & Vanessa's thoughts...& that's what I love about her. Why does everyone claim to be so anti-pop? Vanessa's music IS pop. That's not at all a bad thing! It has nothing to do with the other female artists, like Ashlee or Lindsay. We all know she's not the same.
All I know is she can't let ME down. No way. Never. :)
i agree.
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i'm pretty sure, following things vanessa has said about past record label experiences, that she is not going to let anyone mess with her music and make it something she doesn't want it to be. so everyone chill and just be happy she's making a new cd :-P
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so everyone chill and just be happy she's making a new cd :-P
Amen! :D