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Vanessa Carlton => General Vanessa Carlton Discussion => Topic started by: joey on September 30, 2006, 08:48:27 am
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okay some one put this on the o-board...and its freaky...
It's Vanessa, to the letter
Stop calling her Vanessa Carlton!
Thursday night, Irv (Gotti) Lorenzo celebrated his new venture with Universal Motown Records on a yacht owned by pal J.R. Ridinger. Carlton, who just signed with Gotti, is now to be called "V" instead of Vanessa.
"V is an old family nickname of Vanessa's, and Irv thought it was a practical decision to use it," explained an insider. "Vanessa says V has always been her name, so it's not really a name change."
Party guest Ja Rule arrived brandishing his own bottle of Veuve Clicquot. "I bought my own [bleep], this is like BYOB," he joked.
article (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/456962p-384589c.html)
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8O What What WHAT??? 8O
............please don't tell me they're going to release a CD by the artist name V
....are you kidding me?
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come on.
she doesn't need a new name to sell by.
do they really think that will help?
..well I'm not sure how to take this right now except for surprised.
I mean its not like I care, she could be named anything and it wouldn't affect how I feel about her.
I'm more concerned about the name "Vanessa Carlton" if it changed to "V" will everyone know? will people wonder what happened to Vanessa Carlton? how will everyone else take this?
I just don't want some people missing out on music because the artist is V and not Vanessa Carlton. it might cause confusion.
I just hope it doesn't.
well whatever :?
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exactly if she is changing labels to this guy... i only hope he doesnt touch her music...at the most i'm hoping to see better promotion for the new album...
i do not want to see a black guy come in the middle of the song rapping out the bridge while vanessa tries to mouth a few words...
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noo
noooo
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...that's dumb. I like V..but Vanessa Cartlon is more...Better :) I dont think we'll hear any rap. i hope not, if there is..I dunno what I'll do.
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double post
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8O 8O
although... it's pretty funny isn't it. new official site: www.v.com lol
t4p J ! :razz:
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Go "V"
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exactly if she is changing labels to this guy... i only hope he doesnt touch her music...at the most i'm hoping to see better promotion for the new album...
i do not want to see a black guy come in the middle of the song rapping out the bridge while vanessa tries to mouth a few words...
Same here... if I see Ja Rule Come out while "V" is piano riffing..I'm gonna hurl..
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like i said in the official board.... this is really sketchy.
I mean I was alright with VANESSA signing on to a rap producer and etc but I don't know if "V" will ever replace VANESSA...
"V" sounds so mainstream.... and I think everyone knows that VANESSA is not mainstream... shes on the other side of the stream doing her own thing...
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You're all nuts! This is great! Now she can tour with P Diddy or J-Lo!! Oh boy!! Who cares about V's music? She's got style now. She's hip! She'll be on TV! And she'll be on all the pop radio stations because she has a cool name (her music doesn't matter to radio)!! She'll win VMAs and she'll get the Maxim cover! She won't even have to sing on her next album, she'll just do some photo shoots and show everybody her bling!
They can get somebody else to make the music...somebody that isn't cool like V. Somebody who cares about music and doesn't care about being the center of attention. Somebody like that one girl who used to play the piano and sing the cool songs about vampires and unicorns...oh wait, that girl is gone.
This better just be a bullshit rumor.
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don't u people see?
this new producer is trying to get vanessa a larger fan base by removing the ATM side of her. He's trying to make vanessa a totally new artist, and his was is to get rid of the whole name, but keep the V.
I personally don't know how well its gonna work, but i think it's worth a shot
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ROTFL (http://letoyaonline.com/board/style_emoticons/new/lmao.gif)
Wow..
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I will believe it when I see it.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I call her V anyway, so it doesn't matter much to me.
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don't u people see?
this new producer is trying to get vanessa a larger fan base by removing the ATM side of her. He's trying to make vanessa a totally new artist, and his was is to get rid of the whole name, but keep the V.
I personally don't know how well its gonna work, but i think it's worth a shot
First off, it's not a producer, it's a label head.
Second, the label head is trying to get her a larger fan base by CHANGING her fan base.
Thirdly, I don't know about you, but I kinda liked the artist Vanessa Carlton...as a matter of fact, I REALLY liked the artist Vanessa Carlton! If I wanted a "totally new artist" I would have stopped listening to Vanessa and I would have stopped caring about Vanessa and I would have stopped posting here--I would have gone and found myself an actual "new artist."
This is just all so ridiculous to me. If someone would have told me a few months after Harmonium came out that, by the time her third album came out, Vanessa would be going by "V" and getting a hand in the studio from "hitmaker" Linda Perry, I would have told that someone to go to hell because Vanessa would never sell out.
But here we are, and if this is true, Vanessa will have gone with hipness over art in both her music and her image.
And there is a difference between people just calling her V (I don't care about that), and using this to change her image to draw in fans that will be more enamoured with her image than her music.
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fuck.
i don't believe this. i don't want to..
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you've all said it before. seriously, what the hell, and vanessa better post soon to explain herself.
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this may sound crazy...but what if they manage to create a new genre of some kind... victorian goth meets hip hop...
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I think "Vanessa Carlton" sounds classy, although "V" is catchy. It sounds a bit silly to use a letter as her stage name, but if it happens and her music is still good, then I guess we will get used to it. If her music takes a hip-hop direction then I probably won't like it much at all. However, from what we've heard of her new material, it doesn't sound like that will happen. I do get Samantha's (WhiteHouses81680) point though. She had so much success with ATM, then relatively no success, and now it would make sense that she would want to start afresh. Obviously ATM will always be her song, but seeing that it was such a hit, people will always expect her to make ATM part two! Maybe she doesn't want to be "The A Thousand Miles Girl" anymore. I don't know if the whole "V" thing would work. Maybe one day she'll move past that phase and she will be "The Artist Formerly Known as V". Or instead she could use a symbol instead of a letter, haha (unicorn comes to mind). Seriously though, I think "Vanessa Carlton" is the best name... after all, it is hers!
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Meh, I'm not crazy about the whole "V" idea either. :?
Sure, I call her V sometimes but it shouldn't be her stage name.
Vanessa, if you read us, don't become formatted like those J-Lo and others, PLEASE!
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Argh, I'm not liking that idea. I don't see how a name change could get Nessa a bigger fan base, she's already a well established artist as it is, she just needs promoting to a broader audience. 'Re-branding' her won't help record sales, music sells not a name...
Just wait until she's coming onstage with a huge diamond bling bling 'V' round her neck, a present from her label, eww
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please don't
Tell me it's just a rumour.
When i hear things like this i see terrible things happening to her like happen they happened to Nelly Furtado and Jewel. Hopefully this going to be the only thing that changes
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I'm not really crazy about the "V"-thing either. It just doesn't work as a stage name for me.
But then again, it doesn't sound very certain, since the source is a little vague. Whenever the word "insider" is brougt up, I get a little sceptical.
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I tend to take what "insiders" say with a grain of salt; regardless, I think the important things to consider are whether Vanessa is happy with the album and, to a lesser extent, whether The Inc. will promote it well. It'll be the same album no matter what stage name (or nickname) Vanessa is using.
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It's not even the simple change of name that directly irks me. I don't care what she goes by, she's the same person. What cuts at my heart is the change in promotion that this name change causes. She's alienating her stongest base fans (I can say this confidently because of the reaction here) in order to pick up a completely new target audience that her label hopes will be bigger than her current niche. They appear to be looking for the solo Gwen/Nelly Furtado audience. And, in an effort to do so, they're making Vanessa sell out.
Like I said, I don't care about the name change per se, I care about the reasons behind the name change. BNN was huge. Harmonium was mishandled. People didn't run away because they were tired of Vanessa, they just didn't know there was a new album. All Irv had to do was put more money and a less half-assed effort behind the real Vanessa Carlton and she would have been fine. She could sell records based on her talent. They didn't need to do something like this.
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I don't like the idea of calling her "V", but if she doesn't repeat the A Thousand Miles success the world will only remember her as a one hit wonder. Now I can't really picture Vanessa doing what Nelly Furtado did because it's too diferent from her style and because she would have to get an all new fan base cuz I'm sure that many of her fans(and I include myself) would stop supporting her on the minute she decided to change.
Don't be so worried, I'm sure that "V" is only a nickname that she uses with her friends and family.
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I think you are blowing this out of proportion.
She is changing her title, not her identity!
As long as she still makes kick-ass music, who cares what the hell we call her?
This can't do her any harm, only make her more popular and awesome.
Be happy for this "re-birth" of vanessa, don't be so critical.
Come on, she's nessa...she'll stay true to her own style.
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I don't like the idea of calling her "V", but if she doesn't repeat the A Thousand Miles success the world will only remember her as a one hit wonder. Now I can't really picture Vanessa doing what Nelly Furtado did because it's too diferent from her style and because she would have to get an all new fan base cuz I'm sure that many of her fans(and I include myself) would stop supporting her on the minute she decided to change.
Don't be so worried, I'm sure that "V" is only a nickname that she uses with her friends and family.
I'm hoping you're right about the nickname thing. But, to be honest, I don't care how the world remembers her...the world is stupid. The world made Ashlee Simpson's debut album a #1 hit. And I'm not worried about a style change, I just don't like that she would be getting promoted as something she's not. That makes her phony and that's what I can't stand. If she really wanted to be a hip-hop artist, so be it. I would likely not be a fan any more, but I wouldn't lose any respect for her because she's just being herself. But, if she does this shit and is the same person she always was, that's what pisses me off. That makes her phony.
And, unfortunately, I could see a way for us to be completely alienated and giving up our support and "V" ending up with an even bigger fan base than she does now...they would just be shallow, fair weather fans who wouldn't stick around for very long. Then, once "V"'s 5 minutes are up, she'd have to rebuild the burned bridge to us. I don't know how I'll feel if that happens, but I'm sure there are some fans that wouldn't take her back, and then she would have a real career crisis.
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I think you are blowing this out of proportion.
She is changing her title, not her identity!
Bringing Linda Perry in the studio, signing to a rap label and changing her name to "V" is more than a title change. They and/or she is looking to change her entire target audience, not just admit new members to her current one. Going by just an initial(s) is a hip-hop thing...that's an identity change, not just a title change.
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Well this kind of happened to Jewel. She had her OWN wonderful music, then she went into that weird thing where her song titles were like ....U& Me = love and 2 become 1, some shit like that. And now she came back with what sounds like some of her OWN music. But I dont want this to happen to Vanessa, if her stage name of whatever is V...okay whatever, i just hope she dosnt change her music for anyone else except herself. I just pray to god I dont hear any rap. But all her new songs This Time, All Is Well, PYHOM, The One...and all the other songs people have told us about don't really sound like anyone has changed her. I dunno this is just what I think. I freaked out when I read that article..but i guess Im not going to believe anything like that until I see it...theres too much celeb gossip....90% of it isnt true...so Ill wait until I see
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Well this kind of happened to Jewel. She had her OWN wonderful music, then she went into that weird thing where her song titles were like ....U& Me = love and 2 become 1, some shit like that. And now she came back with what sounds like some of her OWN music. But I dont want this to happen to Vanessa, if her stage name of whatever is V...okay whatever, i just hope she dosnt change her music for anyone else except herself. I just pray to god I dont hear any rap. But all her new songs This Time, All Is Well, PYHOM, The One...and all the other songs people have told us about don't really sound like anyone has changed her. I dunno this is just what I think. I freaked out when I read that article..but i guess Im not going to believe anything like that until I see it...theres too much celeb gossip....90% of it isnt true...so Ill wait until I see
Although the Linda Perry produced song sounds terribly "radio-friendly" and unVanessa-like to me (even if they aren't rap), I like your philosophy. Hopefully they just promote her the way she's always been promoted and have the confidence that she can move records being herself. She's done it before.
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I think you are blowing this out of proportion.
She is changing her title, not her identity!
Bringing Linda Perry in the studio, signing to a rap label and changing her name to "V" is more than a title change. They and/or she is looking to change her entire target audience, not just admit new members to her current one. Going by just an initial(s) is a hip-hop thing...that's an identity change, not just a title change.
I totally forgot Linda Perry was involved that's a good sign, I don't really think she will try to change her target audience, it would be too stupid.
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Some of you need to relax - Vanessa is doing all of this to re-introduce herself to the public.
It's good publicity - her switching to 'The Inc', her changing her title to just V.Carlton, etc...
Let's just wait until we know more until we start going off on one.
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I don't think Vanessa would change her music style...But I hope she won't change her (artist) name. Vanessa Carlton sounds just so perfect.
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i do not want to see a black guy come in the middle of the song rapping out the bridge while vanessa tries to mouth a few words...
You might want to re-word that...
Anyway, I'm excited. I like V, and if this helps her career so be it. Bring on the V.
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whatever. does it matter what her name is if the music is still good? That's the only thing I'd be worried about.
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Some of you need to relax - Vanessa is doing all of this to re-introduce herself to the public.
It's good publicity - her switching to 'The Inc', her changing her title to just V.Carlton, etc...
Let's just wait until we know more until we start going off on one.
I agree... I think this is all just to get V some publicity :o
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*skurred*
But much like Brian said, I abbr artist names like that a lot anyway. But thats only because we all know the context.
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It's good publicity - her switching to 'The Inc', her changing her title to just V.Carlton, etc...
no, it's not "V. Carlton", it's just "V".
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You know what I've been thinking, what if Nessa's always wanted to be called V but the butt holes wouldnt let her? You never know, it might just be a personal choice on her part and if it is we just have to accept it.
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You know what I've been thinking, what if Nessa's always wanted to be called V but the butt holes wouldnt let her? You never know, it might just be a personal choice on her part and if it is we just have to accept it.
It's not just that...it's just that "V" as your...erm...name... doesn't really work too well. It's just a letter. If you say "Vanessa Carlton", people know who you're talking about. If you just say "V", then it's like, what?
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its simply a name, simply a name
i bet Ja Rule does a single with her...that would be so kick ass
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its simply a name, simply a name
i bet Ja Rule does a single with her...that would be so kick ass
well, I think THAT is precisely what many of us are AFRAID of!
Sure, some people would LOVE it and buy the CD...
but I'd guess that most of those new fans might not like her older material, especially Harmonium... SO would they be fans of Vanessa Carlton the ARTIST or of this cool new star "V", until something newer and cooler comes out? Unfortunatelý, I'd be inclined to believe the latter.
Maybe you would think it is kick ass, and that's great... but I get the feeling that most of us would loathe it... I would...
This, my friend, is what the term "selling out" refers to!
However, this is all just speculation, and it's probably not the time to panic just yet! :)
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The day Ja and Vanessa do a single, I think after laughing hysterically, I may cry and completely convert to country music.
... okay, maybe not, but it would be funny in that "this is so sad I don't know what else to do but laugh" kind of way.
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ok vanessa's latest post clears this up...
i wonder did she read it on here or there...??
and yes she is makin the MUSICAL thing very clear...nope she aint rapping or changing her style any time soon...
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i do not want to see a black guy come in the middle of the song rapping out the bridge while vanessa tries to mouth a few words...
You might want to re-word that...
k...some "rapper" come in the middle of the song rapping out the bridge while vanessa tries to mouth a few words...
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As long her music is still the old music and Murder Inc does not change her music style and puts rapbarts or beats on her songs i think i can wear the decision that she will call herself V. For me she will rest as Vanessa Carlton and I'll never call her V. Hiow the rest of the world calls her doesn't matter for me.
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that would be great to hear Ja Rule rapping Put Your Hands on Me with Vanessa or This Time. This would sell for sure.... hehehehe and Vanessa... dressed like J.Lo. don't you think so? then Playboy cover... mouthwatering hehehe
some of you really exaggerate. calm down. she will do whatever she likes
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okay another article (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/457385p-384947c.html)...which goes lke this...
.....Slipping off their shoes and piling them near the gangway to board Miami Internet moguls J.R. and Loren Ridinger's little boat - docked at Chelsea Piers - were Ja Rule, Fat Joe, Wendy Williams, Damon Dash and wife Rachel Roy, Russian heiress Anna Anisimova and flack Jonathan Cheban, New York Met Cliff Floyd and Gotti's latest protege, Vanessa (call her "V") Carlton....
but then as i said earlier....from vanessa's latest post (http://www.vanessacarlton.com/bboard/forumname/viewtopic.asp?TopicID=1587104&topic=movin+movin%2E%2E%2E%2E)...i think irv jus wants to call her v...vanessa is too big a name for him to remember...
the article though does clarify one thing though...
..."I'm excited about signing V," Gotti told Lowdown. "I want to show people I know about music - not just hip hop." ....
sorry...no ja rule...
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vanessa's latest post (http://www.vanessacarlton.com/bboard/forumname/viewtopic.asp?TopicID=1587104&topic=movin+movin%2E%2E%2E%2E)
well thank god.
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She'll always be Vanessa to me.
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Just read Vanessa's latest post and I only have one thing to say: how much I love this woman, I could never tell! hehe!
Go "V"! haha
Oh I should add the much needed banana smiley here now: :dances:
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I was certaintly relieved by VC's post on the O Board. I am looking forward to here next album being on track!!
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Thank god!
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never mind
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PHEW.
i think we were all getting a little freaked out there.
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A lot of people here refer to her as V anyway. It's kind of appropriate since she's always always saying peace.
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okay another article (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/457385p-384947c.html)...which goes lke this...
.....Slipping off their shoes and piling them near the gangway to board Miami Internet moguls J.R. and Loren Ridinger's little boat - docked at Chelsea Piers - were Ja Rule, Fat Joe, Wendy Williams, Damon Dash and wife Rachel Roy, Russian heiress Anna Anisimova and flack Jonathan Cheban, New York Met Cliff Floyd and Gotti's latest protege, Vanessa (call her "V") Carlton....
but then as i said earlier....from vanessa's latest post (http://www.vanessacarlton.com/bboard/forumname/viewtopic.asp?TopicID=1587104&topic=movin+movin%2E%2E%2E%2E)...i think irv jus wants to call her v...vanessa is too big a name for him to remember...
the article though does clarify one thing though...
..."I'm excited about signing V," Gotti told Lowdown. "I want to show people I know about music - not just hip hop." ....
sorry...no ja rule...
wow so he's EXCITED. that is good news. it means something when a badass brotha gets "excited" and says he's excited.
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i was thinking:
this isin't as much as a change for Vanessa as it will be for Irv Gotti. He's signing her to show that he deals with very versitile musicians, he's not going to morph her into a ra-ra-raper.
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yeah....we arent exactly thinking of it in that way...you know... its not vanessa thats gonna change...it gonna be irv whose doing the (as said above) "morphing"...
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and uhmm...didnt vanessa have pharrel williams and kanye west sorta help out on harmonium...?
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^someone needs to learn how to use the edit button...
ra-ra-raper.
well i certainly hope vanessa isn't going to turn into a raper. might be some bad PR for her...
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well i certainly hope vanessa isn't going to turn into a raper. might be some bad PR for her...
If she really wants to be a raper though, I'd be willing to volunteer myself for her efforts. :lol: :wink:
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that kind of defeats the purpose of "rape," max...
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that kind of defeats the purpose of "rape," max...
He doesn't have to let her know he's consenting...and that's kinda hot. :lol:
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I still think it'd be bad PR if she became a raper.
Not so hot on her becoming a rapper, either ¬¬