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Yeh, I know what everyone is talking about. It's definetely words she says...

If you look at the video, you'll see she definetely makes a "w" sound (look at her lips)

Here's what I hear:

First saw you at the video exchange (alright)
I know my heart and it will never change (but wait OR but why)

hmm...

we should ask nessa somehow!

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Vanessa Songs / Lyrics / Sheet Music / Come Undone without the intro.
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:26:37 am »
I was thinking about it the other day, and I think the intro is important.

The whole song is about coming undone, and letting yourself "come undone", so the contrast between the long, sustained organ notes at the beginning of the song to the fast-paced piano rhythms at the end is another way in which the lyrics are reflected through the music.

I think Vanessa intended it to be like this, and that's why I can appreciate how it fits into the song as a whole

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General Vanessa Carlton Discussion / Second Single (Information)
« on: October 23, 2007, 02:56:04 am »
Quote from: "craft"
Quote from: "DrSyaFiQ"
i think My Best will do great as a single..  8)


Maybe an extended version. Anything under 3:30 would be hard to hold a listener's attention.


Actually, studies show that the average human can only pay attention to music for 3 minutes, otherwise they tune out. That's why "radio edits" of songs are generally shorter than album versions.

I think whilst its not my favourite song on the album, Hands On Me would be a good second single. For a start its exactly 3 minutes, and it has a really catchy chorus which is singable and therefore more appealing to an audience. The hook of "Hands On Me" is a bit provocative as well, which I could so see radio stations introducting with a bit of humour..."Vanessa Carlton wants you to put your hands on her.."

I think My Best is a nice song, but the chorus isn't catchy enough or clear enough, so therefore the audience on first-listen would find it hard to like as it does not have clear repition of lyrics and music (ie a chorus). If things aren't repeated, then too many musical ideas hit the listener on the first listen and they can't connect with the song. Radio stations don't play songs unless they are going to keep a listener listening to their station. This same thing applys with "Come Undone" - chorus isn't defined enough in the song.

Hit song = catchy and defined chorus. This is one of the reasons I think nolita fairytale is struggling as it goes to the pre-chorus ("Take away my record deal..") yet the chorus is one line ("I've found some kind of fairytale") and then it goes back to the verse. Repetition is necessary to sustain interest in a listener that isn't aware of the talent V possesses.

In summary, HANDS ON ME  :D

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General Vanessa Carlton Discussion / Tonight Show with Jay Leno 10/11
« on: October 15, 2007, 04:26:29 am »
I saw it on Australian TV today!
It sounded a lot better on TV than on Youtube which is probably a good thing  :D

It was funny cos I had been studying for my HSC (final school exams) which starts this week, and I thought "I'll just watch TV for 5 minutes seems I've been studying so hard..." and i turn the TV on and the first thing I see is Jay Leno holding up Vanessa's CD! I couldn't believe how lucky I was to turn the TV on at that moment.

LOL talk about reward  :lol:

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General Vanessa Carlton Discussion / Fan Reviews of Heroes and Thieves
« on: October 03, 2007, 03:01:06 am »
Nolita Fairytale - I think it's probably the most accesible song on the album, as its simple and has a catchy melody enhanced by modern production. Not my favourite song on the album, and I usually skip it because I've listened to it so many times. Lyrics are too specific (ie "Stevie knows and I thank her so") which ultimately means that the ambiguity and other interpretations of the song are lost, making it kind of shallow lyrically. 7/10

Hands On Me - Love the 2-3.... and the "alright" at the beginning of the song. At first I thought the song was a bit overproduced, but now I've come to appreciate the diversity between the songs on this album and those on Harmonium. The violin in the second verse could (and in my opinion should) explore its range more as opposed to just playing the same note over and over again. The chorus at the last chorus also make the song sound a bit cheesy. I prefer the live version... 8/10

Spring Street - One of my favourite songs on the album. At first the "nah nah nah nah" annoyed me, but now I realise the importance of it in making both the song catchy to people, but as well as enhancing the whole idea she intrinsically explores through the lyrics. I read the song as being about the cycle of motherhood, and how it continues. Verse 1 daughter is let by mother into the world on their own, Verse 2 daughter meets someones and settles down, Verse 3 the daughter is now saying goodbye to her own daughter....I think the "nah nah nah nah" is kind of about the way in which the same things happen over and over again....if that makes sense? Anyway, I really like the verses of this song. The simple and acoustic sound contrasts from the thicker texture of the chorus. 9/10

My Best - Never release this as a single! It's way too boring in my opinion...whilst the thought and sentiment might be nice, the result is boring, the structure is confusing (which are the verses/choruses??) and the melody sounds like something a three-year old could have made up. I dont mind the "its like you never left" descending ideas (im guessing this is the chorus?) but they are too short to make a lasting impact on a listener. I always skip this song. 6/10

Come Undone - Organ reverb at the beginning is too long. Once would have been enough, no need to repeat the same instrument playing solo for that long unless it changes significantally. I like the piano intro, and the acoustic Michelle Branch feel this song takes. "there are people in this lifetime, we should never meet" - I really like this lyric, and the darker and honest tone the music takes during that part of the song. I like the clapping at the piano outro, it kind of brings it back down to a very raw and intimate level. I love listening to the final piano melodies. 8.5/10

The One - I LOVE the harmonising at the beginning of the song, however the tone the rest of the song follows doesn't fit in with the beginning. I was expecting some kind of mystical and dark song, but it ends up a corny love song. I don't mind Stevie's vocals now, and think that this is probably the best song for her to duet with on the album, but maybe if she sung on "spring street" it would be better as that has the whole mother/daughter old/youth theme running through it....anyone agree? 7/10



Heroes and Thieves - the whole "folk" instrument thing happening makes the song sound like a travelling circus with a gypsy vibe running through it. I prefer the vocals on this song as they are stronger than the live, however some of the instruments ruin it and make the song sound way too upbeat when it's suppose to be extremely emotional and raw. at least thats what i fell in love with the live version for. 7/10

This Time - Linda Perry = death. No wonder Vanessa only put one of her songs on the album. The lyrics are cliche, the piano accompaniment and melody are both repetitive and are based around only a few notes of the simple 1-4-5 chord progression probably employed by Linda Perry. It sounds like a standard pop song, piano intro, verse, chorus, verse 2, middle 8, chorus, outro.....vanessa is so much better than a song like this. The slow tempo of the song makes the song drag on too much, and I find this is another song I skip. Live version =  better. 7/10

Fools Like Me - My favourite song on the album. I love the thick sound of the intro which then dies off in the verse, gradually building up agian to the chorus. I love "sand in my shoes" and "ink on a page" pre-chorus parts, they make the song that little bit better. The lyrics in this song are one of the few that feel as if they are coming straight from Vanessa's heart as opposed to Irv Gotti's wallet...If you try and ignore the slight overproduction on the song during the middle 8 you can tell vanessa had heaps of emotion in the "and its BREAKING" part of the song. Too bad its lost in an attempt to appeal to todays music tastes. Still, a great song. My favourite on the album. 9.5/10

Home - the vocals are a little bit overproduced in this song, however during the verses you can hear the emotion in her voice. I like in this song how it starts simple, and gradually the piano/vocals become more expressive and complex. The feel Vanessa creates at the beginning is tepidatious/uncertain and by the end of the song as she realises "I've always known with you I am home" her vocals are a  lot more definite...she's made up her mind. I like how the song flows like that, gradually increasing. Followed by an awesome piano outro. Tied for second favourite song on the album. Still, I have a soft spot for the live vesrsion. 9/10

More Than This - I can't express how great this song is. Starts simple, and then builds up a little, then goes back to being simple, then builds up...its just constantly having the listener waiting for the climax of the song and then BAM there comes the "lets live in the glory". The lyrics are poetic and outsanding ["times may be so easily mine"]. I think this is a great ending to a soundtrack....very orchestral, borderline cheesy at parts, but overall a great song. 9/10

Overall I'm impressed with the album. I havn't been able to put it down over the past few days, and everyday I find something new in each song. That's what was missing with Harmonium, as it was very thin texture-wise (often just piano/v). I think V has grown as an artist, and once she has a commercial success I think she will go back to writing the more intimate stuff we are use to and IMO she is more comftorble with. Nevertheless she still feels very comftorble with this album  :)

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General Vanessa Carlton Discussion / Top 5 from 'Heroes & Thieves'
« on: October 03, 2007, 02:13:28 am »
1. Fools Like Me (possibly my favourite song ever)
2. More Than This
3. Come Undone
4. Spring Street
5. Hands On Me/Home (although I'm not too keen on the studio versions of these songs...both sound a little overproduced, but I still love them!)

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^As soon as I posted I found the thread with the Home sheet music in it  :oops:

I've downloaded so many vanessa songs this arvo that my hands are tired from playing  :razz:

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hey does anyone have the sheet music for "Home"??

Such a great song  :)

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I would really really really like to see this too!!

It was aired on MTV in Australia...but on the night of vanessa's concert in Australia so i missed it  :x

My sister told me about it when I got home... strange  but true.

Please please please please???  :wink:

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Live Shows / 2/24/2006: Entertainment Centre - Newcastle, AUS (review)
« on: February 25, 2006, 02:46:02 am »
No sorry!  :cry:

Oh and V also said that she will probably come backk out to Australia next year and do a tour to co-incide with her album release!! FINGERS CROSSED!  :wink:

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Live Shows / 2/25/2006: Entertainment Centre - Sydney, Australia (review)
« on: February 25, 2006, 02:45:14 am »
^LOL No, its still saturday night. The Newtown concert is on Sunday night (tomorrow this time).

Tonight is the Sydney concert, with Stevie + Vanessa  :D

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Live Shows / 2/24/2006: Entertainment Centre - Newcastle, AUS (review)
« on: February 24, 2006, 09:12:20 pm »
Yep it probably was identical, I can't even remember the exact order, but the songs were the same. And she opened with the same few songs and closed with ATM.

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Live Shows / 2/24/2006: Entertainment Centre - Newcastle, AUS (review)
« on: February 24, 2006, 08:02:24 pm »
Concert was awesome  :) !

Vanessa opened, came out and just started playing ordinary day ("divide and conquer this land" version).  then she said "Hi, I'm Stevie Nicks". Classic lol. She thanked everyone for coming, and said "you probably don't know any of my songs, but I did have a second album which was released in the states, but not here because my record label suck ass majorly and I can now say I've left them thankgod"  :idea:

I think the new one was next, about how shes always happy when its raining...I CANT REMEMBER NOW  :evil:

Then Put Your Hands On Me.

This Time.

As she was singing, all the old people sitting around me and my friend were like "She's good"

Another new one.

White Houses. She talked about how it was censored on MTV etc, and how its ironic that all they play is 'ass' on MTV but they wouldnt play the uncensored version of her song, but thats what happens when you come from "George Bush Land" (everyone in the venue started clapping and cheering her after she said that lol). She made a mistake in the lyrics too I noticed. She sang "lack bleather seat" instead of "black leather" and then she smiled when she realised.

Then she thanked everyone for coming and began to play the intro of A Thousand Miles, and everyone in the stadium started cheering and clapping. Then she said "Yes, I'm THAT girl" and everyone once again started laughing  :lol:

So she played that and then she was off....she got a really positive response to her set, even if most of the crowd were old people  :lol:

Couldn't get any pictures because even with flash, there was not enough light. The staff didn't even care when I used flash etc. Here is one of the only pictures I got right at the end. Stevie is trying to get Vanessa to bow with her to the left of the photo...if you can make it out.  :oops:


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Live Shows / Vanessa Opening for Stevie on Australia/New Zealand Tour
« on: February 13, 2006, 01:16:03 am »
Just rang Newtown where she's doing the gig....its 18+ agh.  :evil:

Oh well...I'll cling on to the hope that maybe she will announce another solo show in the next week or so for people under 18  :lol:  :cry:

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Live Shows / Vanessa Opening for Stevie on Australia/New Zealand Tour
« on: February 12, 2006, 02:54:19 am »
Ahhh V is doing another solo show, but in Sydney @ The Newton.

http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=VANESSAC06&searchId=0b57baf5-1a7d-4db6-aade-d33d38384f48

Ahh I could have paid $46.50 for a full show of V rather than $120 for only a half hour set...

Ahh well I'm sure Stevie Nicks will be great  :)

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