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Quote from: "Hazy Eyes""Nolita Fairytale" could be seen as her letting folks know she's back, I guess.
She really needs a bigger push though. If whoever's in charge is smart, they'll release "Hands On Me", make a kick-ass video, and promote the hell out of it by booking a shit load of TV appearances aswell as radio stuff.
They need to shoot the video for Hands On Me in Tibet. lol That'd be amazing.
Quote from: "**Ann-Marie89**"Quote from: "NoelleNC"Quote from: "**Ann-Marie89**"To be honest I'm not sure that this album IS Nessa's best work.. Like don't get angry at me its just my opinion, but the whole reason I loved Nessa in the first place was cause I love Classically based music, and I loved how she was so creative not just with words but rhythms and styles too. All her old stuff, especially the B-sides and many off Harmonium like Papa, were all amazing songs that were so original compared to ANYTHING else out there. She has to be the only performer who can play just her and the piano and still sound complete.
With Heroes and Thieves this isn't the case. It needs the back up vocals, the drums, the orchestral arrangements and the layers. I'm just not sure she has stuck to who she is, or whether she is sacrificing her style for the sake of commercial success? Thats not to say I think that's wrong, its all about different priorities. But If you guys listen to Other Linda Perry songs- many of Christina Aguilera's songs are written by her. You can hear the EXACT same construction techniques. Simple compositional techniques like not straying from a key, sticking to simple triad chords (major or minor) modulation, 1st-5th and 7th chord progressions etc. Very "modern" But NOT avante garde or original. Vanessa's new album is very beautiful in its honesty, and I think it will do well. But only because it's content is aimed for those with a limited musical palette. Notice how it's labelled as "Pop"?
I just feel that creatively, Vanessa showed SO much more variety of styles and ideas in her old stuff! Compare Red Ditty, Papa, A Thousand Miles, Unsung, Prince, Birdie, and Twilight. All very different from each other. But to me, The One, This Time, and Home are all very similar. Don't get me wrong I love her stuff! I just think maybe she gave up on her old stuff because people "didn't like it"
So sad....
Anyway just my piece ^_^ Hopefully no one takes offense to this. 8O
And this isn't a dig! I'm just disagreeing with those who think that this is her best album..
Katherine Ann Marie
How do you know all these songs NEED the production to back them up? The only one we've heard live so far that I agree weighs heavily on production to sound complete is "Nolita Fairytale". We've heard This Time, The One, Hands On Me, Home, Heroes and Thieves and Fools Like Me live- and to be honest, with the exception of Hands On Me (imo, bc I like the studio version) I think that all the live versions DO sound complete. I especially like the live versions of Fools Like Me. And that's like half of the album. So idk what you are saying in that respect. We haven't even heard the other songs live, how can we judge?
Because that's five out of eleven songs that I think need the extras. What I'm saying is, you can listen to these songs without instruments, and they sound OK, but take a song like Papa- if that had any other instruments it would be tacky and ruin in. Im not saying they're bad without the extras, Im just saying that unlike her previous work, the extra instruments enhance the songs. And yes we can judge! because the style of all her songs on this album is exactly the same! If you play all her stuff, you'll know this. She never used to include the vocal melody in the piano, but now she does. All the new songs stick to a very regimented chord progression and don't stray very much at all. Yes there is some modulation but apart from that.... There is now in all her new stuff, a definite separation between the right hand piano line and the left. Previously, everything moved as one.
And in regards to Linda Perry- listen to Christina Aguilera's song "Beautiful" "The Voice Within" and even "Hurt" they all have exactly the same rhythm and musical style (composition wise) that "The one" and "This Time" have! you know how its like one note and then the bottom two of the triad or whatever. that sort of constant rhythm. I cant explain it but if you compare them you will know what I mean. Vanessa never used to do that in ANY of her songs! The left hand was usually simple and the right was usually a Second melody to what she sang, so her old stuff you could say was polyphonic, and now its just homophonic.. with the main melody of her voice, mostly imitated by the piano in the right hand, with the bass in the left. Don't get me wrong, Fools Like me is an Awesome song and its probably the most different to the other ones, its just what I've noticed as a stylistic change in her music.
Peace everyonelol I don't mean to offend!
I understand you a little bit, but I think that maybe she is just trying new things. I actually like the way she works the melody of the singing into the piano in some of the songs- and usually I don't like that in songs at all. I think Vanessa is clever at using her techniques, and I would say it's more a new stylistic choice than anything else. I don't think she's forsaken her classical roots and I doubt we'll never hear any throwbacks from her in the future. And her singing/playing the melody isn't necessarily a new thing- she did it in Papa, too. . . "Love plastic love, you're a genuine wanna be" =)
Even if you could vote for it I doubt it would get on the countdown. :?
I like you too xxlovelyxx :wink:.
And I love how so many people replied to this thread even though you all hate me oh so much.
who says that a song has to get fast at some point. I get it everyone here apparently loves fast songs. I'm not one of them but I think Vanessa might want to branch out from being just a pop artist and I think that would be a smart move because there's a window for a pop career and I want her to stay around for a long time.
Hmm.. there are 2 different H&T albums available - the other one will be released 10.10.2007 and seems to have some kind of extra stuff on it since it costs more and has +1 written after the title
Quote from: "PianoPlayer12"Quote from: "liquidblue244"Why would you people pick Home? It's not commercial enough, I don't think it will do very well if it was released....it's too slow.
i have to agree with you.
Slow doesn't necessarily mean people won't buy it. Don't Know Why was slow but it was on the top 100 for over a year. Home is a beautiful song with an amazing ending and can get an audience. It might not be the KIIS audience but there is a KOST audience. I think Vanessa will want to branch away from the pop area because that's where all the people think she's just the ATM girl. Stevie made a good career in the easy listening genre.
Quote from: "portions.for.foxes"Quote from: "xxlovelyxx"Quote from: "HeroesAndThieves"WOW WELL DONE
That looks great!Quotewho needs jesus when you have vanessa carlton?8O
8O 8O 8O that is just wrong...
But so right.
What did Jesus say when he was on the cross?
"This is one hell of a way to spend my easter vacation!"
Quote from: "liquidblue244"Quote from: "HarmySandwhich"Quote from: "liquidblue244"Quote from: "therealchriss"The problem with the strings on HoM is that either a) they used a terrible synth string program, or b) the strings are out of tune. The highs sound very tinny, also.
The strings are TWANGY. I think it was done on purpose because of her reference to the Dalai Lama, it has that ethnic quality to it. It was done on purpose......did anyone else notice that?
Good interpretation but if it was done because of that, I think they ruined it.
They didn't ruin it. The song is fucking amazing.
Opinions are opinions. :lol:
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starryeyedevil
thanks so much!!
