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Completely Off-Topic / You know you're old when.....

« on: October 12, 2007, 05:36:06 am »

When people your age start cracking jokes about being old, you know youre old.













......shit

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General Vanessa Carlton Discussion / THE BREAKUP: VANESSA CARLTON AND STEPHAN JENKINS

« on: October 02, 2007, 07:23:28 am »

Uhm yeah, your typical male musician if any of you dont realize this shit by now?  Same things goes for proffessional athletes.   One who is respectful of their significant other is a needle in a haystack.

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 18, 2007, 10:48:59 am »

I don't care about WHY that's her argument, I care about THE argument.

You cant just walk around making arguments without anything to back up your claim/theory/idea.   So if you care about the argument you should really try to understand WHY the argument is being made.   You cant just dumb down anything you feel like because you cant keep up with basic concepts.

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 17, 2007, 11:51:27 am »

I'm confused...your whole argument is that straight people should get the title marriage because they can reproduce?

Then, should polygamy be legal?  Should a woman be allowed to marry someone if she continuously has abortions?  Should married people be allowed to use contraception?  Should Britney Spears still be with Kevin? Do you want to give her more?  Do all cows have spots?  Do cats bark?

You apparently didnt read WHY thats her argument, or if you did you didnt understand it.    So yes, you are definitely confused.

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 14, 2007, 02:23:16 pm »

You're right.  Many laws ARE based on popular opinions.

But that's not what I asked.  I asked if they SHOULD BE.

Helllll no.

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 14, 2007, 12:10:08 pm »

Higher up men in ancient Greece did have sex with boys and male teens; however, it wasn't widely accepted.

Maybe in Sparta only the higher up men did.  In Greece there were only a few cities that prohibited such relations.   It was more widely accepted across the culture as the most spiritual form of bonding.


The fact of the matter is homosexuality is NOT that widely accepted.  

I will continue to make the point that i have no problem personally with it, nor allowing them to marry.  I dont want anyone thinking im some anti-gay asshole =)   Im just well aware of plenty of people, for religious reasons and other, that are against it, or view it as a sin.

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 14, 2007, 09:03:04 am »

I am talking about two consenting adults...not an adult abusing a child.

Homosexuality is viewed as a sin/immoral by many religious people, so your opinion unfortunately isnt the opinion of everyone in this country.    Heck if you were in ancient greece and you said touching little boys is wrong you would probably be put in the arena with a lion.   Homosexuality is not highly regarded, its a sad fact as i actually agree with you that they are doing nothing wrong, but im willing to vouch that not so many others agree.  I agree with the age of consent laws etc though dont take my argument too far =)  



And Jophess, if youre best argument is "yes it is"  You shouldnt even bother posting.   I never said they shouldnt be allowed, i said that lots of people view homosexuality as wrong THUS why the law didnt just pass with flying colors?  MAYBE

Laws should not be based on the morality of the people.

If the majority of people think slavery is OK, do you think slavery should be legal?

Or do you believe the law has a job that is over and above the morality of the people it governs?

Laws generally are based on the morality or general social acceptability of actions as far as ive seen.   Im saying that a lot of people view homosexuality as immoral/wrong and this is why i believe that they are now allowed to marry by law currently.   However as time increases and more and more people accept homosexuality, the trend of allowing them to marry becomes more plausible.   Could you imagine anyone trying to pass this law 50 years ago?

I never said anything about whether my beliefs as an individual have any effect, nor am insane enough to expect them to.   When the majority of people believed slavery was okay, it was legal.   Did everyone at that time believe it was ok?   Im sure they didnt.   Does the fact that enough people believe it to be ok make it ok?  I personally dont agree.  

I believe laws are more of a trend than anything else.   Things that werent viewed as bad have been deemed bad by the government, such as weed, and made illegal.   However newer laws have allowed it to be legal for medicinal purposes.   Do you think this means weed was good 50 years ago, bad 20 years ago, and ok if its for medical reasons today?

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 14, 2007, 05:06:26 am »

I am talking about two consenting adults...not an adult abusing a child.

Homosexuality is viewed as a sin/immoral by many religious people, so your opinion unfortunately isnt the opinion of everyone in this country.    Heck if you were in ancient greece and you said touching little boys is wrong you would probably be put in the arena with a lion.   Homosexuality is not highly regarded, its a sad fact as i actually agree with you that they are doing nothing wrong, but im willing to vouch that not so many others agree.  I agree with the age of consent laws etc though dont take my argument too far =)  



And Jophess, if youre best argument is "yes it is"  You shouldnt even bother posting.   I never said they shouldnt be allowed, i said that lots of people view homosexuality as wrong THUS why the law didnt just pass with flying colors?  MAYBE

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 13, 2007, 01:29:09 pm »

However, a straight man and gay man are both men, both human.  In the eyes of the law, gays should not be treated as a subspecies.  It's like saying a black man cannot legally marry a white woman or vice versa.

Pedophiles are human, so they shouldnt be treated as a subspecies right?   Just because its morally atrocious i mean, jeez, they are still PEOPLE.   Homosexuality, unlike pedophilia may be morally acceptable to a larger percentage of the population, but it is not 100%.

I know that argument is really screwed up but laws dont treat everyone equally.   What were laws based on originally when they were created?   What has changed laws over time?  

Personally i have no issue with allowing homosexuals to marry, however are they morally accepted enough by society that the law should be changed at this time?   Im not really sure.  It could be more trouble than its worth.   Im for it, but you cant just say "Oh they are human beings too so they should just get whatever they want"


edit:   Yeah i know this argument is reallllly messed up, im just trying to point out that saying just because homosexuals are human they should be allowed to marry is a very weak argument.   I could have also gone other routes such as murderers who carry no remorse, burglars etc.

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Completely Off-Topic / McCain gets slammed!!!

« on: September 13, 2007, 05:05:34 am »

Because separating and branding them differently is the way to go.

You dont have to brand them different or separate, because they already are.


The best part about this is if you tell someone who is gay they are the same as a straight man they would probably scoff and get insulted.  However when if comes to gay marriage rights they can put that behavior on the shelf right?  


I am not against gay marriage, but i am against gay people running around saying they are the same as everyone else.  The same goes for feminists saying they are the same as men.

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Completely Off-Topic / Recent Pictures Thread Part 3

« on: September 06, 2007, 01:24:45 pm »

Is your name Laura?    You look super familiar but i cant remember the SN of the girl just her real name.

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Completely Off-Topic / For all the old school nessaholic fans

« on: August 31, 2007, 12:56:21 pm »

HAIL!

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Completely Off-Topic / Happy Independence Day everyone!!

« on: July 05, 2007, 07:15:23 am »

Happy 5th =P

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Completely Off-Topic / i moved out of the house, and im "on my own" now..

« on: June 26, 2007, 06:33:06 am »

Tell me about it man!  I did it when I was 18 and it was an experience.
I am glad you are on your own though man.  It will eventually FORCE you to be a man HAHA.....


Danny

While amused by your excessive use of the word man, i must point out that Laura is in fact, WOman =)

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Vanessa Songs / Lyrics / Sheet Music / Nolita Fairytale-First single??

« on: June 14, 2007, 05:26:39 am »

Well i like it, and i like heroes and thieves.   This is cool because i really didnt like harmonium/white houses  =(  :oops: