Vanessa Hudgens' Photo Scandal

[NoelleNC]

While I do think HSM and Hannah Montana's successes are too much, I don't think that they have no purpose. Of course they have a purpose. Young kids, especially girls, love it. But I think it's sad when real musicians get sidelined by these concocted kiddie products. And they are products.

The whole HSM cast is getting record deals when real musicians can't find the same success.

[portions.for.foxes]

The record industry doesn't care about real mucisians, they care about marketable products that generate revenue. I think the outlandish success of HSM would only naturally lead to individual record contracts with the cast members, I mean, it's a pretty obvious progression. With the amount of money Disney has made off of HSM, think about what they could do with solo acts, and there's already a huge established market out there for these people to sell these records too. Give the people what they want.

It makes sense.

[Grakthis]

The record industry doesn't care about real mucisians, they care about marketable products that generate revenue. I think the outlandish success of HSM would only naturally lead to individual record contracts with the cast members, I mean, it's a pretty obvious progression. With the amount of money Disney has made off of HSM, think about what they could do with solo acts, and there's already a huge established market out there for these people to sell these records too. Give the people what they want.

It makes sense.

Ah, idealism.  It's adorable.

Tell me, PFF, what are "real musicians" if they aren't the musicians making music that people like?

Is there am empirical standard for judging music that I am not aware of?

Like, I know 1 is smaller than 10 in a base 10 mathematical system.  I know this because it is inherent in math.

But tell me, how do you know one musician is better than another?

[portions.for.foxes]

Are you serious?  :?  Shut up Andrew.

Stop wasting everyone's time here and join a debate team. :roll: Jesus christ.

I am not going to argue for the sake of arguing, find someone else to amuse yourself with, NoelleNC seems to be doing a pretty good job of feeding into your narcissim. And it's annoying quite frankly.

What I had written was simple enough to understand, I am not interested in a philosophical dicussion of what it means to be a "real musician", I only stated that people such as Zac Efron are marketable, and already have a marketed fanbase willing to buy whatever Disney pushes through him. End of conversation, no need to bring in notions of how to determine a musicians worth, because it's pretty pointless since it's all objective.

If you are looking to have that conversation than I am sorry, you'll have to go elsewhere.

[portions.for.foxes]

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=275194&mpc=1

This is a really good article in response to Vanessa's "scandal".  

[Grakthis]

Are you serious?  :?  Shut up Andrew.

Stop wasting everyone's time here and join a debate team. :roll: Jesus christ.

I am not going to argue for the sake of arguing, find someone else to amuse yourself with, NoelleNC seems to be doing a pretty good job of feeding into your narcissim. And it's annoying quite frankly.

What I had written was simple enough to understand, I am not interested in a philosophical dicussion of what it means to be a "real musician", I only stated that people such as Zac Efron are marketable, and already have a marketed fanbase willing to buy whatever Disney pushes through him. End of conversation, no need to bring in notions of how to determine a musicians worth, because it's pretty pointless since it's all objective.

If you are looking to have that conversation than I am sorry, you'll have to go elsewhere.

Wow.  You are really insecure.  You should see someone about that.  Did someone bully you when you were little or something?  Cause spazing out everytime someone challenges you is really unhealthy.

Also, I am pretty sure when you said "no need to bring in notions of how to determine a musicians worth, because it's pretty pointless since it's all objective." you meant SUBJECTIVE.

Which is exactly the point.   It's all subjective.  See, it's easy when you agree with me.

[liquidblue244]

Ah, idealism.  It's adorable.

It's not idealism, it's capitalism. Disney is Capitalizing on HSM's success. That's why they are having all these kids release albums, it's good marketing....that's what America's about.

[soupdujour]

Can this thread please be locked? There's certain people whom I strongly dislike and I don't appreciate them having a retarded debate on the thread I posted. Thank you. :roll:

[portions.for.foxes]

Can this thread please be locked? There's certain people whom I strongly dislike and I don't appreciate them having a retarded debate on the thread I posted. Thank you. :roll:

It's a public forum, it happens.  :wink:

[djQUAN]

Can this thread please be locked? There's certain people whom I strongly dislike and I don't appreciate them having a retarded debate on the thread I posted. Thank you. :roll:

then don't post any thread. it's that simple.

keep in mind this is a public forum and everyone is entitiled to post what they want to say. whether you like it or not, the people you dislike are in this forum and they WILL post if you post a thread.

[Grakthis]

Ah, idealism.  It's adorable.

It's not idealism, it's capitalism. Disney is Capitalizing on HSM's success. That's why they are having all these kids release albums, it's good marketing....that's what America's about.

Did you seriously just try to tell me what Capitalism is?  lolz.  Awesome.

But to help you understand a conversation you're clearly not following, his idealism isn't about the marketing.  It's about his concept of what "real mucisians" are.

[portions.for.foxes]

Haha, I just noticed that I totally spelt musicians wrong in my first post, because I looked at your post Andrew and I was like, "wtf."

And my statement about real musicians was a response to NoelleNC's notion of "the HSM cast is getting record deals when real musicians can't find the same success."

So it really isn't my idealism.

[Grakthis]

Haha, I just noticed that I totally spelt musicians wrong in my first post, because I looked at your post Andrew and I was like, "wtf."

And my statement about real musicians was a response to NoelleNC's notion of "the HSM cast is getting record deals when real musicians can't find the same success."

So it really isn't my idealism.

So are you disavowing the opinion that there is a difference between the "HSM cast" and "real musicians?"

[portions.for.foxes]

Haha, I just noticed that I totally spelt musicians wrong in my first post, because I looked at your post Andrew and I was like, "wtf."

And my statement about real musicians was a response to NoelleNC's notion of "the HSM cast is getting record deals when real musicians can't find the same success."

So it really isn't my idealism.

So are you disavowing the opinion that there is a difference between the "HSM cast" and "real musicians?"

I never said there was a difference, I was using NoelleNC's idea of their being a difference between them to make a point. As I meant to say, it's subjective (objective... ehhh, close enough, you still understood what I meant).

[portions.for.foxes]

What's wrong with the Disney channel. lol

Edit -

Awesome, now that the mods deleted the posts that I directed this comment to, it looks completely retarded by itself. Oh man. lol