Pictures of Saddam's dead sons...

[Si]

by the way

you shouldn't think that way
all people in every country feel kind of that way, I think
I mean, the Belgiums, for example, we think they're dumb (not really, it's just something prejudice
Dutch people are cheap, as in never spending any money (which isn't true either)
Americans think they are better than everybody else, isn't true either

it's just something that will always be here...

no?
you know what I mean?

*Si's english gets worse by the second, *sigh

[Si]

PS
Jen, NO!!
lmao

I only want to say that I do not understand that action of the American GOVERNMENT.
that's all.

no?
you know?
no?
yes?
maybe?

urgh

[x Jennifer x]

its ok! Lol just thought you were having a "Jen" moment..

[Si]

I sometimes like to have a "Jen moment"
it's nice



lol

[x Jennifer x]

yea it is ..lol and you're doing so well at it right now..hehe

i care about the war stuff though...

[Logikal X]

people are weirdos, ive known this for long enough......I just felt like bithcing and whining for a bit.....well i feel calm and happy now!~thanks Si!!

[Si]

people are weirdos, ive known this for long enough......

HELL YEAH!!

I just felt like bithcing and whining for a bit.....well i feel calm and happy now!~thanks Si!!

My pleasure

lmao

Jen, thank you!
I try my best

[x Jennifer x]

yay :mrgreen:

[rosieposy87]

some whiny ass foreigners just need to learn that life doesnt last forever and they cant sit there and try to choke the life we are born into forever

Oi matey! hee hee, i do get your point- i just want people to know that these views are held of them, do u see what i mean? People here just think America can't go around acting like the worlds' police force (but hey, we're not much better- jumping on the bandwagon) but that shouldn't condemn a whole nation, i agree.

And i don't believe you are born into a 'certain life' and i think there are things people can do to change their ways. hee hee, getting all deeeep. haha

[Logikal X]

And i don't believe you are born into a 'certain life' and i think there are things people can do to change their ways. hee hee, getting all deeeep. haha

Well what i meant was i was born in america, and i like my friends and family and surroundings so i wouldnt want to be from any other country now.  So you see i meant i was born in America and thats where my life is so its not really like i did something bad or am a bad person.  It just happens to be where i was created and raised.  And im happy here even though some foreigners hate all of us alike.....it does help that there are such nice people from countries that generally hate us though like you rosie and ghis from france....its not like everyone does,, at least the smart people like you guys have open minds....plus im with you on disliking my governments chauvanist ways  :)

[rroo]

*totally agrees with Si*

Here's what a member of the US senate said when footage of deceased US soldiers was shown by foreign tv stations:

First: Iraqi Television and al-Jazeera have aired a lengthy tape of deceased U.S or coalition service members. I understand that some of you have seen the tape; I will not describe it in any detail. Suffice it to say that this tape, which was apparently made with the consent or at the direction of the Iraqi regime, shows fundamental violations of the Geneva Convention obligations.

And now what do the US do? It was exactly the same with the POW's. In the same convention all members of the United Nations agreed not to show POW's in the media. The US government forced CNN not to show the 4 captured POW's but numerouw times they did show iraqi POW's.

I guess the US government doesn't really care about human rights when those humans are the enemy. The people held hostage in Guantanamo Bay aren't treated the way they should be either. Does anyone in the US cares?

[Grakthis]

Hmmm...

Ok, you guys have some facts wrong.

The American Government IS NOT and WILL NOT show the pictures.  They will not give them to the US media and they will discourage the US media from showing them.

HOWEVER, the Iraqi interim government REQUESTED them to show.  And the US decided that they WOULDN'T refuse this request because they want to help the new Gov't gain control over the country and they believe this will help.

So while it is a bit sketchy, it's not quite hypocrisy and it's not illegal.

Now, on to my opinion.  I think it's horrible and dishonest as hell.  I don't think any government or any media anywhere has any right to show identifiable bodies on national or international media.

Those two fucks may have deserved to die, but their three sisters and 1 innocent brother DON'T Deserve to have people seeing and cheering at the bodies of their dead sibilings.  It's wrong, and it pisses me off.

I would expect better out of the Iraqi people and the Iraqi interim government.
---Andrew

[Grakthis]

But now they're doing exactly the same thing! It was exactly the same with the POW's. In the same convention all members of the United Nations agreed not to show POW's. The US government forced CNN not to show the 4 captured POW's but often showed iraqi people taken hostage.

The US government doesn't really care about human rights when those humans are the enemy. The people held hostage in Guantanamo Bay aren't treated the way they should be either. But I don't feel like anyone in the US cares.

Oh look, more uneducated and uninformed babble from rroo.  There's a shocker.  

It's one thing to ASK a question like Si did, and maybe have a few facts wrong.  Thats perfectly forgiveable and it's the reason she asked in the first place.

It's a completely different to get up on a high horse and have it turn out that your entire platform is based on INCORRECT facts.

You continue to amaze me.  Stay out of political debates, rroo, since you have yet to contribute anything intelligent.
---Andrew

[rroo]

Hmmm...

Ok, you guys have some facts wrong.

The American Government IS NOT and WILL NOT show the pictures.  They will not give them to the US media and they will discourage the US media from showing them.

HOWEVER, the Iraqi interim government REQUESTED them to show.  And the US decided that they WOULDN'T refuse this request because they want to help the new Gov't gain control over the country and they believe this will help.

Why did the interim government REQUESTED it in the first place? They don't need the approval from the US do they? This again proves that the US calls all the shots in Iraq.

According to the Geneva treaty (or whatever such an agreement is called) the US SHOULD HAVE refused the 'request'. You can't just make exceptions like this whenever it suits you.

About your other thread..., your arrogance annoys me. If you're so right, tell me why instead of chickening out like this for the 2nd time.

[PintOGuinness]

And now what do the US do? It was exactly the same with the POW's. In the same convention all members of the United Nations agreed not to show POW's in the media. The US government forced CNN not to show the 4 captured POW's but numerouw times they did show iraqi POW's.

I guess the US government doesn't really care about human rights when those humans are the enemy. The people held hostage in Guantanamo Bay aren't treated the way they should be either. Does anyone in the US cares?

And now I will step in and point out why you are incorrect, since my pal Andrew so politely left that out of his tirade... (bad Andrew.. bad bad... )

Article 13 of the third Geneva convention says PoWs must be humanely treated and "protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity". But the article does not prevent all photographs of prisoners, and newspapers and TV companies are not bound by the convention, which applies only to states or "detaining powers".

Article 13 does not to cover the bodies of soldiers killed in battle, since they are not prisoners of war. POWs must be protected against insults and public curiosity is understood to mean that thier captors should not allow them to be shown publicly "in humiliating or insulting circumstances". So Iraq coercing PoWs into appearing on TV would be a grave breach of the convention and a war crime, but shots of prisoners of war at a distance and not identifiable as individuals are fine.

It was felt my the interim government of Iraq that the people of Iraq must see these photos to truly believe that these men were dead.  It is unfortunate that they are being so widely spread as they are, but in a society held in fear for so long, surely you can understand why you must be sure... HAVE to be sure that they are gone.  These people are terrified still... if you lived in hell since the day you were born and woke up one morning to someone telling you the devil was dead... wouldn't you demand proof?

Lastly... those being held in Guantanimo bay are considered "Enemy Combatants" NOT POWs.  They do not fall under the articles of the Geneva Convention.  The United States is affording them MOST of thse courtesies.  But they do not have to.