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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2003, 01:48:02 pm »
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he was rumored to be caught in bed with a male servant.

yeah, I think his name was Michael something

I think Prince Willy and his brother will do well
Maybe not make a mess like their father did, lol


we can only hope... :lol:
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2003, 01:56:15 pm »
LOL
You're right

*hopes


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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2003, 02:03:49 pm »
Soooo Rosie, lemme get this straight. The Queen is a yesman who can be replaced if she doesn't say yes? I still don't get how this would be a buffer. I have to admit ignorance on your specific form of goverment.

And yes, a presidential system does have it's buffers too. The president cannot propose legislation. He needs the approval of congress to use military power. Also, he is kinda like a yesman. All legislation passed by congress is signed into law by him. He can choose not to sign it. Congress can override him by voting on the legislation again. If it passes with a 2/3ds supermajority, it goes into law anyway.

The three branch federal system is a great one in theory. But the problem is that some branches grow more powerful than others. For example, I believe that the Executive branch is waaaayyyy too powerful now. Also, the Federal goverment has been infringing on the powers of state goverments for far too long, wasting far too much tax money with duplication of effort and some people applying what is best for their region to the rest of the country. It doesn't matter if those actions would be disasterous elsewhere.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2003, 02:27:23 pm »
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Soooo Rosie, lemme get this straight. The Queen is a yesman who can be replaced if she doesn't say yes? I still don't get how this would be a buffer. I have to admit ignorance on your specific form of goverment.

And yes, a presidential system does have it's buffers too. The president cannot propose legislation. He needs the approval of congress to use military power. Also, he is kinda like a yesman. All legislation passed by congress is signed into law by him. He can choose not to sign it. Congress can override him by voting on the legislation again. If it passes with a 2/3ds supermajority, it goes into law anyway.

The three branch federal system is a great one in theory. But the problem is that some branches grow more powerful than others. For example, I believe that the Executive branch is waaaayyyy too powerful now. Also, the Federal goverment has been infringing on the powers of state goverments for far too long, wasting far too much tax money with duplication of effort and some people applying what is best for their region to the rest of the country. It doesn't matter if those actions would be disasterous elsewhere.


I feel the three branch government is compromised by a two party system(a little off topic.) Comments?

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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2003, 02:31:23 pm »
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I feel the three branch government is compromised by a two party system(a little off topic.) Comments?


Yeah. I've grown more and more fed up with it too. I mean.... I'm more or less a Republican with some strong Libertarian tendancies. That still doesn't mean I support what's going on in congress. It's turned into one giant partisan pissing match.

People need to stop voting for someone because they are Democrat or Republican and vote for the person who they think would do the best job. And in Congress, the congresscritters need to vote on legislation on whether it would be good or bad for the country, rather than if it was proposed by a democrat or republican.
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2003, 03:04:27 pm »
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I feel the three branch government is compromised by a two party system(a little off topic.) Comments?


Yeah. I've grown more and more fed up with it too. I mean.... I'm more or less a Republican with some strong Libertarian tendancies. That still doesn't mean I support what's going on in congress. It's turned into one giant partisan pissing match.

People need to stop voting for someone because they are Democrat or Republican and vote for the person who they think would do the best job. And in Congress, the congresscritters need to vote on legislation on whether it would be good or bad for the country, rather than if it was proposed by a democrat or republican.


I just feel they have too much power.  It has been seen in the past and the present how they discourage political competition from other decent american parties.  Competition which would probably benefit the american people.

As far as british politics go she does have real power.  The last I heard there is no campaign finance reform there and if she wanted to she could help canidates financially that she likes, for instance.  Effectively buying votes in some cases.

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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2003, 06:06:32 pm »
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And yes, a presidential system does have it's buffers too. The president cannot propose legislation. He needs the approval of congress to use military power. Also, he is kinda like a yesman. All legislation passed by congress is signed into law by him. He can choose not to sign it. Congress can override him by voting on the legislation again. If it passes with a 2/3ds supermajority, it goes into law anyway.


he can use military power for 60 days without the approvel of congress...

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People need to stop voting for someone because they are Democrat or Republican and vote for the person who they think would do the best job. And in Congress, the congresscritters need to vote on legislation on whether it would be good or bad for the country, rather than if it was proposed by a democrat or republican.

can I get an amen?

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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2003, 06:47:46 pm »
but lets get back on subject....he did what? this is interesting....

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2003, 07:41:15 pm »
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he can use military power for 60 days without the approvel of congress...


I believe that you are refering to the War Powers Resolution over 1973, which can be found in Title 50, Chapter 33 of the US Code. It requires that the president present a report to Congress within 48 hours of application of force. It also requires that the armed forces should be removed within 60 days after the report is made, unless Congress declares war, gives the president more time, or Congress cannot meet because of security reasons due to a war.

So you were wrong. :wink: 62 days, if the president stretches things. :-P
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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2003, 08:09:35 pm »
well I was just going by my lack of paying attention in ELPs (or civics to some)....which I took last year.

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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2003, 01:04:27 am »
wow...americans really know their shit about their country :?

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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2003, 04:22:26 am »
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wow...americans really know their shit about their country :?


Its cos thats all they learn about. *chuckle* I will get back to explaining the 'buffer' later, cos i have an essay to write. lol
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2003, 06:18:27 am »
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Charlie is a dumbass...I wouldn't be surprised if he was caught in bed with a squirrel  :roll:


I know . . . And it's not like he's attractive. You wonder how he had such a hot son like William. The red head - Henry? - on the other hand . . . :roll:

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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2003, 06:20:23 am »
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Soooo Rosie, lemme get this straight. The Queen is a yesman who can be replaced if she doesn't say yes? I still don't get how this would be a buffer. I have to admit ignorance on your specific form of goverment.


Yes, she is a yesman who can be replaced if she doesn't say yes. Thats pretty much it. The thing is so won't ever say no, so its not really a problem. The Queen has nothing whatsoever to do with political parties- that acts as a buffer. See below.

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And yes, a presidential system does have it's buffers too. The president cannot propose legislation. He needs the approval of congress to use military power. Also, he is kinda like a yesman. All legislation passed by congress is signed into law by him. He can choose not to sign it. Congress can override him by voting on the legislation again. If it passes with a 2/3ds supermajority, it goes into law anyway.

The three branch federal system is a great one in theory. But the problem is that some branches grow more powerful than others. For example, I believe that the Executive branch is waaaayyyy too powerful now. Also, the Federal goverment has been infringing on the powers of state goverments for far too long, wasting far too much tax money with duplication of effort and some people applying what is best for their region to the rest of the country. It doesn't matter if those actions would be disasterous elsewhere.


I don't believe that your system has buffers that act in the same way as ours. The way i see it, is that sections of society are always going to hate the head of state. If the Head of State is neutral it goes some way to keep politics to do with politics. If you hate something that is about the same as an inanimate object (lol) i believe you save your true judgement not for people, but for political policies and parties.

 The Queen acts as a sort of fictional tradition- it is her head that is on the coins, her name that court cases are carried out in, her 'Inland Revenue'. I could go on, now what would happen if Blair had his head on the coins? What would happen if it was his name court cases were carried out in? That would create a great deal of friction in our political system. I don't believe anyone here would like it. There is security in knowing that every 4/5 years the figurehead for your country isn't going to change.


A president is a 'yesman' with political strings attatched. A president becomes a target for hatred which can affect people's political stance on issues.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2003, 06:25:08 am »
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People need to stop voting for someone because they are Democrat or Republican and vote for the person who they think would do the best job. And in Congress, the congresscritters need to vote on legislation on whether it would be good or bad for the country, rather than if it was proposed by a democrat or republican.


That is the smartest thing I've heard anyone say. *tear*