Condoleezza = Secretary of State

[keith]

I'd rather watch Condi Rice whistle dixie through the gap in her teeth than read some of the tripe in this thread *walks off*

[Will]

It was a list of things that joined the majority of the countries they used together.  Taking one issue and saying that "England, France, and China" had this one issue...doesn't make them fascist.   Is that what you're saying?  Because that would be true, but the article doesn't imply that.

I do, however, contend that these factors have arisen together in countries that did not practice Facism. Let us look at early 19th century GB. 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13. You wanna brand early 19th century GB Facist now? 10/14 is a pretty high score.

It doesn't say all Fascist were Nazis.  The word "nazi" wasn't even in the list I posted.

Yes, but the use of the slur is related to the atrocites of the Nazi regime. Before WWII, many proudly called themselves Facist. Now, modern adherents of those same philosopies use different names for their beliefs because the name was tainted so much by Hitler. Some people like freedom from rather than freedom to. Not saying I agree with them, but the philosophy isn't as nearly bad as knee-jerk liberalism claims (c.f. right wing claims on socialism).

Like, for example, the Religion point.  On one of the (web)encyclopedias I read it said that Italy allowed Catholicism, seeing how it was the main religion in the country.

Italy established the Church of Rome in exchange for soverignty of the Holy See under the Lateran Treaties of 1929. That's on the list. However, the move was largely political as it ended the Vatican's claims to the Papal Territories. It was more of a political move rather than an ideological one. A few years earlier, I believe the Facists in Italy published a platform advocating the seperation of church and state.

on the other hand, Germany didn't really allow religion.

He allowed it where it helped the state and banned it when it threatened the state.


Pretty much, I'm saying that you shouldn't use the term Facist unless you know what you're talking about. Today, it is almost exclusively misused by leftists to refer to conservatives and neo-conservatives. That, however, is just a display of ignorance of history and it is a pet peeve of mine. Please don't use it unless you seriously know what it means. You come off the same way as conservatives do when they refer to all leftists as Communists in an attempt to link the leftists with the atrocites and clusterfucks of Mao and Stalin.

[rosieposy87]

Pretty much, I'm saying that you shouldn't use the term Facist unless you know what you're talking about. Today, it is almost exclusively misused by leftists to refer to conservatives and neo-conservatives. That, however, is just a display of ignorance of history and it is a pet peeve of mine. Please don't use it unless you seriously know what it means. You come off the same way as conservatives do when they refer to all leftists as Communists in an attempt to link the leftists with the atrocites and clusterfucks of Mao and Stalin.

Do you not find that with the word 'Liberal' too? I am FED UP of the word Liberal being thrown around as if its some sort of insult. In fact, The Economist published an article claiming that the English language needed to reclaim the word liberal and for the Neo-Conservatives to stop slinging it at everyone who doesn't automatically shout "I don't wanna kill babies!" when abortion is mentioned or who actually considers whether spending vast amounts on the military is right or not.

[Will]

Do you not find that with the word 'Liberal' too? I am FED UP of the word Liberal being thrown around as if its some sort of insult. In fact, The Economist published an article claiming that the English language needed to reclaim the word liberal and for the Neo-Conservatives to stop slinging it at everyone who doesn't automatically shout "I don't wanna kill babies!" when abortion is mentioned or who actually considers whether spending vast amounts on the military is right or not.

People look at me funny when I say I'm a neoclassical liberal. Ha ha.

Yeah, liberalism is just a label. That value judgement that comes with it is unnecessary. We've gotten to the point where the labels matter more than the ideas. That's dangerous.

[rosieposy87]

Do you not find that with the word 'Liberal' too? I am FED UP of the word Liberal being thrown around as if its some sort of insult. In fact, The Economist published an article claiming that the English language needed to reclaim the word liberal and for the Neo-Conservatives to stop slinging it at everyone who doesn't automatically shout "I don't wanna kill babies!" when abortion is mentioned or who actually considers whether spending vast amounts on the military is right or not.

People look at me funny when I say I'm a neoclassical liberal. Ha ha.

So your a Neo-Liberal (we don't say neo classical here), right? You believe in a return to free market economics and civil liberties such as Thatcher advocated, no? Do you believe in an atomistic view of society or a more communitarian approach?

[emmy]

I know it has been mentioned that her name was spelled wrong, but is there any hope for anyone changing that in the subject?

[keith]

I know it has been mentioned that her name was spelled wrong, but is there any hope for anyone changing that in the subject?

Why does it matter if her name is mispelled? It's not like it's a common name, anyone who knows politics knows who this thread is about.

I'll spell it anyway I want to: Cunnalingus Rice

[Jophess]

There.

It's not Condoleezza. I didn't think I could change it, but apparently I can.

[emmy]

I know it has been mentioned that her name was spelled wrong, but is there any hope for anyone changing that in the subject?

Why does it matter if her name is mispelled? It's not like it's a common name, anyone who knows politics knows who this thread is about.

Yeah, I know, but it was just a kind of OCD thing that annoyed me every time I went into the off topic forum.  I'm sorry  :cry:

[Will]

So your a Neo-Liberal (we don't say neo classical here), right? You believe in a return to free market economics and civil liberties such as Thatcher advocated, no?

I'm tempted to say yes, but I don't know much beyond the very basics of what Thatcher did. All I know is that some have derided her economic policies as a rehash of Reaganomics (and I'm probably confusing you with that as much as you did me with the Thatcher reference).

We call them neoclassical liberals around here because we take our ideas from the classical liberals. Of course, our philosophy has changed in subtle ways throughout the years, so we use the neo prefix to distinguish more modern philosophies from those of the late 18th to early 19th centuries.

Do you believe in an atomistic view of society or a more communitarian approach?

By what is understood in the political climate of the US, communitarianism is anthetical to neoclassical liberalism. Where we place a great emphasis on the soverignty of the individual, communitarians place an emphasis on serving the interests of the majority, even at the expense of pissing on the minority.

As for an atomistic view, I don't even know what that is. Maybe we use another term for it over here.

Damn, all this international political terminology is incredibly inconsistant and irregular.

[LimeTwister]

Would you say that certain ideas work in theory, but the leaders who use the theory get power-crazed and that's what damns the theory?  Like Communist Russia?