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« on: November 16, 2004, 03:43:42 am »
I swear, we're fucked.

Joey, back me up on this one!

Colin Powell was, like, the only republican that I liked. Why did he have to resign?
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2004, 04:17:22 am »
"um...I, that wasn't in my...I, I" "It's a yes or no question Miss Rice." "I, it's not in my notes, I um..."

Got to love that :)

But I didn't like Powell, either.  I mean suuuuureeeee it was his job to go tell the UN that Iraq was a threat...but he lied.

I found this interesting, too:

   
 

Fascism Anyone?
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12.Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Glad we live in America and that could never happen.... :roll:

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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2004, 12:36:32 pm »
Look up an Encyclopedia article on Facism. Compare that to the list you presented. Then stop posting such nonsense.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2004, 03:16:56 pm »
it's Condoleezza ...before you want to start bitching about how fucked up we are...look at your GOOD spelling...tell me now who is fucked up?  :roll:
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2004, 03:18:28 pm »
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it's Condoleezza ...before you want to start bitching about how fucked up we are...look at your GOOD spelling...tell me now who is fucked up?  :roll:

Jesus Christ! It was off the top of my head!

Condoleezza isn't an everyday name like Michael or Jessica, you know.
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2004, 03:19:23 pm »
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it's Condoleezza ...before you want to start bitching about how fucked up we are...look at your GOOD spelling...tell me now who is fucked up?  :roll:

Jesus Christ! It was off the top of my head!

Condoleezza isn't an everyday name like Michael or Jessica, you know.



No, but the great thing about the internet is you can look up names easily to make youself look more intelligent. Sometimes it really does works.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2004, 03:20:32 pm »
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it's Condoleezza ...before you want to start bitching about how fucked up we are...look at your GOOD spelling...tell me now who is fucked up?  :roll:

Jesus Christ! It was off the top of my head!

Condoleezza isn't an everyday name like Michael or Jessica, you know.



No but the great thing about the internet is you can look up names easily to make youself look more intelligent. Sometimes it really does works.

Well, sometimes when it's 6:30 AM and I have to leave for school in 5 minutes, it's kind of hard for me to take the time to look up her name because I still have to brush my teeth, wash my face, and get prepared.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 03:23:47 pm »
ummkay...lets keep on making excuses....I'll roll with them.

Honestly, I'm not looking for a fight. I wouldn't have said anything if you didn't say that we were fucked up. I thought it was a tad ironic that you called us fucked up and then spelt her name wrong. It was like oooh ok you just fucked up and you called us fucked up? That's all. Nothing to lose sleep, or forget brushing your teeth over.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 03:24:55 pm »
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:43 am

It's a freaking typoe. Have a cow.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2004, 04:37:20 pm »
I = very happy :D Here's to a 2008 run for the most brilliant woman in the American government.

Four years from now, I look forward to pointing out how we are not at all "fucked up". :roll:

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2004, 05:58:57 pm »
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Look up an Encyclopedia article on Facism. Compare that to the list you presented. Then stop posting such nonsense.


they didn't use the direct definition of Fascism.

Quote from: "The Site"
Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2004, 06:33:34 pm »
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I = very happy :D Here's to a 2008 run for the most brilliant woman in the American government.

Four years from now, I look forward to pointing out how we are not at all "fucked up". :roll:

knew you'd be happy. :)

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2004, 07:03:54 pm »
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they didn't use the direct definition of Fascism.

Quote from: "The Site"
Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.


You neglect to state, however, that most or all of those threads have been present in just about every country to varying degrees at one point in time or another, regardless of the prevaling ideology. I could say that Facist countries throughout history have tended to strongly control and regulate their own economy. That was certainly true with Mussolini's Italy and Nazi Germany. Yet, it happened in early England, France, and China, and you would certainly not brand those governments Facist. It happens today throughout Europe.

And this is ignoring the fact that Facism is an unfair slur. People think that Nazi = Facist. All Nazis are facists. Not all Facists are Nazi. Facism doesn't have to have to be racist or any of that jazz. Facism pretty much describes an authoritarian government similar to Mussolini's.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2004, 08:40:14 pm »
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it's Condoleezza ...before you want to start bitching about how fucked up we are...look at your GOOD spelling...tell me now who is fucked up?  :roll:

Jesus Christ! It was off the top of my head!

Condoleezza isn't an everyday name like Michael or Jessica, you know.



No, but the great thing about the internet is you can look up names easily to make youself look more intelligent. Sometimes it really does works.


um, not to be a bitch or anything, but you wrote "does works".

oh, and i forgot- yeah, we are definitely screwed.
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2004, 09:01:17 pm »
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You neglect to state, however, that most or all of those threads have been present in just about every country to varying degrees at one point in time or another, regardless of the prevaling ideology. I could say that Facist countries throughout history have tended to strongly control and regulate their own economy. That was certainly true with Mussolini's Italy and Nazi Germany. Yet, it happened in early England, France, and China, and you would certainly not brand those governments Facist. It happens today throughout Europe.


It was a list of things that joined the majority of the countries they used together.  Taking one issue and saying that "England, France, and China" had this one issue...doesn't make them fascist.   Is that what you're saying?  Because that would be true, but the article doesn't imply that.

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And this is ignoring the fact that Facism is an unfair slur. People think that Nazi = Facist. All Nazis are facists. Not all Facists are Nazi. Facism doesn't have to have to be racist or any of that jazz. Facism pretty much describes an authoritarian government similar to Mussolini's.


It doesn't say all Fascist were Nazis.  The word "nazi" wasn't even in the list I posted.  And racism was only one part of that list...there were 13 others to choose from.  I am pretty sure there is a longer list somewhere.  Some of the points, I am sure, are skewed.  Like, for example, the Religion point.  On one of the (web)encyclopedias I read it said that Italy allowed Catholicism, seeing how it was the main religion in the country.  While, on the other hand, Germany didn't really allow religion. Hitler did use race and national security.