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« on: July 16, 2003, 07:39:17 am »
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It pays to avoid a ticket -- or fight one
 
The best advice is simply not to speed, at least not brazenly. But if you get nailed, fight it -- because a $50 ticket can cost you thousands once your insurer gets wind of it.

 By Chris Solomon

Now is a very bad time to have a lead foot.

States facing yawning budget gaps are finding new money by pinching speeders more frequently -- and pinching them harder, too. Texas lawmakers recently added $30 to fines for speeding tickets. California has added a surcharge of between $7 and $20, depending on the severity of the violation. And the Illinois Legislature is set to tag an additional $4 to the cost of a minor speeding ticket.

True, four more bucks won’t change your life, but the fine is usually the least of your worries. Even one speeding ticket can begin to turn your name to mud in your insurer’s eyes. More than one can cost you thousands of dollars in higher premiums.

Insurance companies say punishing speeders is well warranted: In one study, California drivers with one speeding citation in a three-year period had a crash rate 50% higher, on average, than those with no infractions -- and the crash rate more than doubled for those who had two or more tickets, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and the Highway Loss Data Institute, industry-sponsored research groups.

A ticket from Johnny Law does seem to slow people down, at least for a bit. A study of Ontario traffic statistics, published in the British medical journal the Lancet, found that a conviction for a moving violation cut the risk of a fatal crash in the following month by 35%. The benefit evaporated by four months after the conviction. Assigning penalty points to a driver’s license -- especially for speeding tickets -- reduced the risk of fatal crashes more than convictions without penalty points.Get Online Insurance Quotes

Keeping your nose clean
Still, as long as running late is an American pastime, people will speed. And there are ways to protect yourself and your premiums. First, reduce your likelihood of getting snagged by the speed gun in these ways:


Know thyself. Spend $5 to request your driving record from your state’s Department of Motor Vehicles. Is it accurate? Could you face a suspension hearing if you get convicted for one more violation? Then call your insurer. Find out what a slip-up would mean to your rates.


Penny-wise = pound foolish. Police will frequently key on an auto that has problems such as broken headlights, taped-over taillights or a missing front license plate. Spend $3 to replace a burned-out license plate bulb and you may save hundreds of dollars later, says Matisyahu Wolfberg, a policeman-turned-traffic defense attorney in New York.


Stay incognito, Part I. Driving an arrest-me red sports car doesn’t guarantee you’ll get pulled over, but it doesn’t help avoid police, say defense attorneys. Ditto -- albeit to a lesser degree -- any expensive car. Consider a Camry over a Corvette and you may save money in more than the showroom.


Stay incognito, Part II. Ignore the general pace of traffic at your own peril. “You’re a pack animal; don’t stick out of the pack,” says Casey Raskob, a Croton-on-Hudson, N.Y., attorney who focuses on traffic-related cases. Passing police cars is verboten. Stay in the right lane when possible.


Keep your eyes peeled. Scan your rear-view mirror often while driving. Look for possible spots far ahead where a patrol car could hide. Also, watch how professional truckers drive, and slow down when they do; they’ve got far more experience detecting Smokey.


Don’t be sticker shocked. Pasting a Police Benevolent Association sticker to the rear window isn’t a license to speed. That jig is long up, says Raskob. Wisecracking bumper stickers -- “Bad Cop; No Donut” -- won’t endear you to The Man, either.

The traffic stop and its aftermath
You get pulled over anyway. Now what do you do?


Be polite. “Most of the time, the motorist has very little chance. The officer has already has made up his mind,” says Wolfberg, the former cop. “The only real chance the driver has is to be nice.” Act peeved and a trooper may give you the full fine. Some will also flag the citation with a notation, like “ND” -- a note to a prosecutor or to himself (in some states, law-enforcement officers act as prosecutors in traffic court) to give a loudmouth “no deal” in court.


Don’t admit guilt. “The absolutely fatal question is, ‘Do you know why I stopped you?’” says attorney Mark Sutherland, co-author of the book “Traffic Ticket Defense.” Authorities can use any admission of guilt against you when you contest the ticket (see below). For other things to consider during a traffic stop, see hints on the Web site of the National Motorists Association, a drivers’ rights group (see the link at left under Related Sites).


Once home, don’t immediately pay the ticket. Simply paying the fine, an admission of guilt, could cost you dearly in insurance rates. Doubt it? Let’s say you’re an experienced driver in California with a single-car policy and a good driving record, who is paying the average rates statewide for liability, collision and comprehensive coverage, $765 annually. If you were a Prudential Financial customer you’d get a 25% good-driver discount and pay only $574. One speeding ticket would mean a roughly 27% increase from the base premium, says Prudential’s Laurita Warner -- a $207 annual increase, or $621 more over three years. (Surcharges usually last for three years.)

Get a second minor conviction and your premium would rise an additional 40%, and you’d also lose your good-driver discount, says Warner. Suddenly, a premium that was $574 has ballooned to $1,071. After the third conviction, expect to pay roughly 63% more than you originally did, or $1,247. Over three years you would end up paying $2,020 more than if you’d kept your nose clean, or much more than the fines themselves. Clearly, getting pinched leaves a painful scar.

The pain can be even worse if you’re a teenager or young adult. “Getting even one speeding ticket, much less two, can cause a dramatic spike in your insurance rates -- sometimes doubling and even tripling those rates -- and jeopardize your ability to get preferred insurance rates,” says Karl Newman, president of the Washington Insurance Council, a consumer education group funded by member insurance companies in Washington State. “That could require you to purchase high-risk insurance.”

Luckily, you’ve got several initial options once busted:


Ignoring the ticket isn’t one of them. “It used to be if you obtained a ticket in New York, it didn’t get back to New Jersey,” but that’s no longer true, says Raskob. Avoid a ticket and a warrant may be issued for your arrest -- a warrant that appears even on the computer system of your hometown cops.

Special state programs. Talk to your state’s DMV or local traffic court to find out about ways to erase your ticket. In Rhode Island, for example, if you haven’t had any vehicle-related violations in three years and then receive a minor one (for example, for exceeding the speed limit by less than 20 miles an hour), you can ask that the ticket be dismissed. It usually is. In some southern states, authorities will agree to defer judgment, if you don’t get any more tickets for the next six months.

Traffic school. Often your best alternative is to take a six- to eight-hour safety course for drivers. Policies vary by state, but often a minor speeding conviction can be wiped from your record and therefore go unseen by your employer or insurance company. You’ll still have to pay the fine, plus an additional $50 to $80 in tuition and other costs, and invest a Saturday. Some states such as California let drivers take the course online. Traffic school has its limits, however. In some states, it’s an option only once every 18 or 24 months. In others, those caught exceeding the speed limit by more than 15 to 20 mph may not be eligible, says David Brown, author of the book “Beat Your Ticket.”

Should you go to court?
If the above options aren’t available, go to court. Court doesn’t have to be a Perry Mason experience. Simply asking for your day in traffic court can save you money. Count the ways:


Showing up is half the battle. Only about 3% of all tickets are contested, estimates Brown, which means even a few people showing up to challenge a ticket can jam the system. “A lot of times the courts will change the ticket for you, to encourage you not to go to court” -- sometimes reducing a moving violation to a lesser charge that your insurance company won’t penalize you for, says Eric Skrum, spokesman for the National Motorists Association.


Cop no-shows. If you show up on your assigned date, defense attorneys say that in 20% to 25% of cases the ticket-writing officer won't. If the officer is required to show up (jurisdictions have different rules), no appearance usually means the ticket is thrown out. No-shows by police happen even more in summer, when even they take vacations.


Errors matter (sometimes). While courts will often excuse minor errors on a ticket -- a misspelled name, a quibble over whether your Jag is ochre or orange -- if the officer cites the wrong statute on the ticket, or grossly misidentifies the highway or your make of car, you may to get your ticket dismissed, says Skrum. It’s often best to keep mum about the gaffe until you go to court, however, and reveal the mistake after the officer has recounted the wrong information.


An 'A' for effort. If you do get all the way to a magistrate or traffic commissioner, any reasonable objection you have to the ticket is likely to at least reduce the amount of the fine, and perhaps change it to an infraction that won’t hurt your rates. “You’ve got to fight every ticket, because the only thing anyone will ever know is what you reduced it to. The accusation will be lost in the courthouse,” says Raskob.

The above, “soft” approach often works, but some people prefer to aggressively contest the ticket, which they usually do with at least some success. When Michael Pelletier, a 32-year-old computer systems engineer in the Bay Area, got a ticket a few years ago, he rented the nine-pound (!) legal defense kit from the National Motorists Association. (The rental cost of the packet, which is tailored to the requester’s state, is $50 per month, with a discount for NMA members.)

“The only thing I did was crank the legal crank,” says Pelletier. That meant asking for continuances and requesting records -- proof of when the officer’s radar gun was last calibrated and when the officer was trained in its use -- in hopes of finding a flaw in the authorities’ case, or simply wearing them down until they offered a deal.

A pre-emptive strike
Battling in court can be time-consuming and complicated. Pelletier estimates he invested nearly 50 hours in the year 2000 to fight his ticket, which he received driving his motorcycle 47 miles an hour in a 25 mph zone. He got it dismissed seven months later based on an esoteric legal definition of a “local street or road.”advertisement
 


In Pelletier’s eyes, the struggles are worthwhile despite the time commitment. He has also helped his wife and brother keep three citations from their records, and his insurance company recently upgraded him to a “superior” driver, which means he will pay $70 less in the next six months than he had been paying. And by keeping his driving record clean he’s ensured that his next ticket -- if it sticks -- won’t hurt him so much as it might have.

If you don’t have the time to do all of this research, consider hiring an attorney who frequently deals with speeding tickets. Such an attorney will know how to get the best deal for you and can often appear in court for you, so you don’t have to take a day off to do so. Fees can vary from $75 to $750, in part depending on whether they’re already frequently in the courthouse dealing with such matters.

The free piece of advice they give, however, is the same: Confront your speeding ticket, even if it’s your first, and do your darnedest to make it disappear. After all, they add, you never know when you’ll get your next one, with higher premiums close behind.

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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2003, 07:59:31 am »
So i got this buddy of mine who is a comonwealth's attourney.  He prosecutes child molesters and the such.  Anywyas, he gets a ticket going 23 over and hands it to one of HIS lawyer buddies to contest it.  The lawyer files a motion to dismiss the ticket based on bad evidence, cop never shows up to court, ticket gets dismissed.

THEN the cop GOES TO THE PRESS claiming that the only reason the ticket got dismissed is because my buddy is a comonwealth's attourney!  The prosecution reinstates the charge and suddenly this is all over the papers.

The biggest BS about it is, the prosecution HAD NO IDEA that my friend was a Commonwealth's attourney when they dismissed the ticket.  They dismissed it because the cop didn't show up to challenge it.  The cop claims he didn't show up because the date was moved up and he wasn't "notified".  

In reality the cop didn't care, but when he found out about it later, and found out my buddy was running his mouth about it, he decided he was gonna get revenge.  

Traffic court is sooooo sketchy.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2003, 08:04:17 am »
I know for real!

I do 70 in the 35 MPH school zone almost every school day...Yet when I was leaving school, I got pulled over for doing 45 in the 25. I thought he was pulling me over for burning out onto the road... :oops:

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2003, 08:33:43 am »
Here, you can't drive until you're 18, lol

Speeding is stoopid. You could kill someone.
Killing other people is stoopid.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2003, 08:40:18 am »
Texas is giving the big ole' shaft lately!!! I thought about fighting it but realized it was pointless. I got stopped when I wasn't even speeding!!! He tried to tell me that I was driving 92 miles an hour and I was driving about 70 in a 65!! I argued with him forever. Then he writes on the ticket that I was driving 82. I called the court because I don't live there. I'm an hour and a 1/2 from where I got pulled over and the lady who pulled up the records said that they showed that he put me down as going 72 in a 65!!! What the fizzle?!?!?!? I ended up having to pay $125.00 because some pig needed to meet his big stupid ticket quota!!! If I had taken the time to actually go to court by missing work$$$, paying for gas$$$, paying for a lawyer$$$ it wouldn't have even helped.
I beant over and assumed the position for the law again in my life. It's such B.S.!
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2003, 10:00:03 am »
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If I had taken the time to actually go to court by missing work$$$, paying for gas$$$, paying for a lawyer$$$ it wouldn't have even helped.
I beant over and assumed the position for the law again in my life.


This is just not true.  For a 7mph over ticket, if you send in a lawyer they WILL DISMISS THE TICKET.  For 7 over the cop WILL NOT show up, and the prosecutor wont fight it.  You will pay 80 bucks in court fees and 100 bucks for your lawyer, but you will NOT have a ticket on your record.

This is why it is a good idea to have atleast one friend who is a lawyer.  Im my case, I have 5 ;)
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2003, 10:05:18 am »
You lucky devil, you

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2003, 10:09:01 am »
I have gotten 7 speeding tickets and fought every one of them,. i fought them without a lawyer, i just went myself, the cop has showed up a few times, but overall i have 1 speeding ticket on my record....ive also had tickets dismissed for passing in a no passing zone, blowing red lights, u turns, bad inspection stickers,..etc


i dont really drive all that crazy...i just have bad luck


ok i drive like an asshole, but ive never hit anyone or anything so :razz:
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2003, 10:17:04 am »
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ok i drive like an asshole, but ive never hit anyone or anything so :razz:




you are an asshole  :wink:

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2003, 10:19:42 am »

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2003, 11:01:59 am »
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ok i drive like an asshole, but ive never hit anyone or anything so :razz:




you are an asshole  :wink:




not in the least
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2003, 11:11:23 am »
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ok i drive like an asshole, but ive never hit anyone or anything so :razz:




you are an asshole  :wink:




not in the least



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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2003, 12:36:08 pm »
you'll do whaaaaat? no, i don't think so... sorry.

PS... :roll: Obsession is tacky.

*ahem, reverts to kindness*

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2003, 12:44:12 pm »
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you'll do whaaaaat? no, i don't think so... sorry.

PS... :roll: Obsession is tacky.

*ahem, reverts to kindness*

happy happy joy joy
happy happy joy joy
lol


..let me guess pete sent ya here to post this?..or what!
i was only kidding..i see no obsession here ...Jennifer Macdonald didn't sound great together anyway..lol

AND i still think hes an asshole... :mrgreen:

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2003, 01:10:48 pm »
Why must you post such childish posts? Most of us here are mature enough to handle someone posting without having to post some rude comment, just because you dont like that person...or so you say. I personally think you are obsessed and need to leave Pete alone for gods sake. Im sicka seeing it, and I'm sure everyone else is. People honestly dont come to nessaholics.com just to watch you pick fights. Believe it or not, they want to come talk about Vanessa, and other topics happily! If you are so into arguing, why dont you contact one of the mods and ask them if they can create a fighting thread?!? Anyways we would all appreciate it if you would grow up and stop being psycho chick from who knows where and let us all post without you having to make retarded comments. PLEASE STOP BEING A PSYCHO!!!!! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! So we can all go back to having fun on this board! Pete is a nice guy, and why dont you just leave him alone...he wants to have a nice time on this board as much as any of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: