Is it that much of an honor to be nom'ed for a Grammy?

[PianoGirl4444]

Gwen Stefani makes me ears bleed.

lol

Gwen Stefani makes me ears bleed.

 :roflmao:
my goodness!    - i like No Doubt pre Rock Steady

as long as we're making radical statements about popular people we dislike...

...Nelly, Kanye West, Nickelback, Linken Park make my skull bleed because when I hear their music it makes me repeatedly smash my head against a brick wall.

[amberbeads]

I like No Doubt pre-Return to Saturn.
Honestly her solo music just makes me want to start screaming and tearing out my hair. It's horrid.

I like No Doubt pre-Return to Saturn.
Honestly her solo music just makes me want to start screaming and tearing out my hair. It's horrid.

I am in complete compliance with you on solo Gwen.  

Everyone I know has the same opinion as you about No Doubt.  I must be the only one who likes Return to Saturn.  "Bathwater," "Six Feet Under," "New," I like all those songs.  I didn't get turned off until I heard "Waiting Room," "Hey Baby," etc. on Rock Steady.  That's when it started to sound like she was writing for an audience instead of for herself.  Her sincerity seemed lacking.

Tolstoy said this about art: "As soon as the [audience] feels that the artist is infected by his own emotion, or creates for himself and not merely to act on others, this mental condition of the artist infects the audience; and coontrariwise, as soon as the [audience] feels that the artist is not creating for his own satisfaction--does not himself feel what he wishes to express--but is doing it for the audience, resistance immediately springs up and the most individual and the newest feelings and the cleverest technique not only fail to produce any infection but actually repel."

This also kind of relates to our discussion  regarding whether Michelle Branch should compramise her musical ambitions and adhere to her label in order to get the big sales numbers they crave.  You seemed to feel that any Michelle music is good enough for you, as long as you get something that isn't totally off-the-wall bad, whereas I want to hear exactly what she wants to create.  I guess when I hear music that is forced, or written more for an audience rather than for and from the artists own heart, I get that resistance thing about which Tolstoy writes.

[zurielshimon]

Gwen Stefani makes me ears bleed.

And a second from the floor! :x

I just read an interview with Kanye West from before the Grammy Noms were announced.  The reporter asked Kanye what he thought his chances were and he replied with something along the lines of--I thought I had a really good shot this year.  I thought I could even get album of the year, but then I heard that new System of a Down album and all my hopes went away.  That thing is brilliant, it's gonna get all the awards.  It's just my luck that my album comes out the same year as a breakthrough like that album. :lol:

  I wonder if Kanye was surprised when SOAD didn't even get nominated for any big awards?  I sure wasn't.  Kanye, a writter and producer, was assessing SOAD based on quality...

...but everybody knows the Grammys don't give a shit about quality!! :lol:

It's official now, not only are the Grammys not given to deserving artists, they appear to be carefully given to only the worst performers possible.  If an artist with actual talent ever wins a grammy, he/she/they should go up there and say they're sorry to a bunch of people instead of thank you.

  If Vanessa wins for best pop vocal next year (of course, she won't 'cause she's too good for that, but play along anyway) this is how her speech should go:

  "I just want to appologize to my fans for making music that somehow got me grouped with the likes of Kelly Clarkson and Mariah Carey.  Mom, Dad, I'm sorry that I've let you down, you raised me better than this.  I don't really know where I went wrong.  I thought I was making good music, but now I've won this award, so I guess I must suck.  Stephan, please don't leave me; I swear this is just an anomoly.  I'm sorry I've let all of you down, but I promise that my next album will be edgy and provacative and beatiful and there will be no chance of me returing to this dreaded platform to accept this symbol of commercialism."

  Pretty soon, someone with some actual talent and integrity is bound to win one of these things and make a huge spectacle about how ridiculous the music industry's top awards show is.  I'm waiting.

[Laura]

So your saying all these artists who won are the worst performers possible?? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Green Day
U2
John Legend
Stevie Wonder
Bruce Springsteen
Aretha Franklin
etc.

all those AMAZING performers who won didn't deserve to win? I get that your saying artists like Vanessa deserve to be nominated, but don't say they don't give Grammys away to deserving artists cuz half the people who won & performed have been around for a while & made an impact on a ton of people.  

And Kelly is amazing... it's totally cool if you don't like her, but I wouldn't put her in the same category as Mariah who not a lot of people like. It's rare finding someone who doesn't like her & I think she deserved it. Take it from someone who has seen her live...she worked hard for it. I bet even Vanessa would be happy for her.

[PianoLover24]

abbottANDcostello: I think you are out of line....Vanessa is a great artist, if she was nominated for Harmonium then it would be a different thing, but she wasn't....so get over it....Kelly Clarkson is a wonderful artist and singer as well as the others.

[PianoGirl4444]

Kelly Clarkson is the bomb.

Mariah used to be the bomb, but now she doesn't actually SING and I hate her personality...but LOTS of people obviously like her.  Her freakin' album was the number one album of 2005.

[clamicas]

I understand that many of the people who won were really good singers or good performers, but that doesn't mean their music/songs were good.And I think that is what appeared the most, if the artist is a good singer or a good performer than all that is necessary is to team them up with any mediocre songs and you've got a hit...The grammy shows that image and popularity overcome musical quality, I dont think I saw any winners who were original and visionary. Its very clear how everything is based on marketing-airlplay-sales, I'm not saying that they are always wrong, but overall its just another award to promote the industry and sell more.

[Laura]

I understand that many of the people who won were really good singers or good performers, but that doesn't mean their music/songs were good.And I think that is what appeared the most, if the artist is a good singer or a good performer than all that is necessary is to team them up with any mediocre songs and you've got a hit...The grammy shows that image and popularity overcome musical quality, I dont think I saw any winners who were original and visionary.

That does mean their music & songs were good too. I mean, obviously cuz look how people have responded to them. I think at least all the people I listed were very "original & visionary". I mean have you've seen all of their videos & what not? It's not just about their performance, look at John Legend's video...not something you always see & same with Green Day's & U2's videos. Their known for their originality.

And Kelly Clarkson just keeps having hit after hit & her songs are far from mediocre, so of course she would win, just like Green Day, etc.

[Ghisy]

abbottANDcostello, honestly, V would never do such a speech.
And Kelly Clarskon, like Laura and Shannon said it before, is an awesome singer and performer!
I can't let you critisize her like that. You're allowed not to like her, of course, but there's no need to bash her!
And Mariah used to be amazing, now she's just okay for me (and that comes from a used-to-be die-hard fan!)
So they both won and they deserved it:
- Kelly released a brilliant album,
- Mariah's cd was actually #1 in 2005
If you're pissed with their awards, just deal with it

ps: I hate U2 but did not critisize the fact they won several Grammies.

lol.

  Whew!!!  :lol:

  First of all, I am just joking around.  Good performers get Grammys all the time, but there are soooooo many problems with the system that it's fun to poke fun at them.  I mean, The Rolling Stones didn't get even get nominated for a Grammy until 1982!  And, ever since the Jethro Tull incident, the Grammys have gone way out of their way to be "hip."  This is how a number of ridiculously undeserving artists get nominated.

  Now, even though I know I'm just going to dig a deeper hole for myself, I will defend my position on Kelly Clarkson.  I think a couple of you got on me by saying that just because I don't like her doesn't mean she sucks, but I never said I didn't like her.  If anything is the case here, you all are unable to see that she's all smoke and mirrors because you do like her.  Clarkson has a good singing voice, but so does the girl I saw in a high school play a few years ago.  Millions of girls in the world have good singing voices.  What separates Clarkson from any other girl with an impressive voice?  I'm very open minded and if someone can explain to me why Clarkson deserves more accolade than simply having a decent voice, my ears will be receptive.

  Clarkson sounds exactly like everything else on pop radio.  What makes her stand out?  A couple of times this past summer, one of her songs would come on and I thought for sure it was Avril Lavigne until I heard Clarkson's voice.  I later read that Avril actually wrote at least one of Clarkson's songs for her, so this makes sense now, but if Clarkson was more than just a pretty voice she should have been able to stylize her music so that it doesn't sound so ordinary.

  Some of you assumed I didn't like her and that's why I bashed her, but to tell you the truth, I don't like or dislike her.  She's too ordinary for me to develop a personal opinion at all.  I do, however, recognize the difference between her and an artist who has their own distinctive style or creates their own material or could survive in the music industry on merit even if they didn't have a flawless marketing machine working for them.  Just like you guys put words in my mouth and said I shouldn't bash her just because I don't like her, I would suggest that you not inflate the amount of credible talent she possesses just because you like her.

  Okay.  All of you die hard Clarkson fans can come at me with your rebuttals now, but nothing too hurtful, I cry easily. :lol:

Mariah used to be the bomb, but now she doesn't actually SING and I hate her personality...but LOTS of people obviously like her.  Her freakin' album was the number one album of 2005.

  Jurassic Park 2 was one of the top films sales-wise when it came out.  Citizen Kane was a huge failure at the box office.  People are manipulated by marketing.  The amount of people who buy an album or see a film or whatever, has nothing to do with the actual quality of the art.

  I don't mean to pick on you personally, but so many people have this same philosophy as you and it's a huge pet peeve of mine.  Just because a ton of people listen to or buy or like an album doesn't have hardly anything to do with whether it's good OR bad.  It just means it's popular.  There is a tremendous deal more that goes into what makes something popular other than its actual artistic quality.

  Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out, but you put the ball on the tee for me.  If you want to insult me and say I smell like poo-poo and pee-pee and stuff like that, I'll understand.  :lol:  :lol: