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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2011, 04:35:43 pm »
Yeah, I doubt any artist, especially one who seems as reasonable as Ms Carlton, would even want the bad publicity of wearing real skinned animals.

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2011, 09:55:58 pm »
Highly doubt thats real fur.
Anyway, has anyone noticed how Vanessa seems to be popping up in news more now that shes signed with these guys? I think they'll do wonders for her!

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2011, 01:19:36 am »
Doubt it's fur. Really.

And i think her new management does a really good job with the p.r. Kudos.

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2011, 12:59:07 pm »
Highly doubt thats real fur.
Anyway, has anyone noticed how Vanessa seems to be popping up in news more now that shes signed with these guys? I think they'll do wonders for her!
I have noticed that! Her new label seems to be really supportive of her album, and they will give it great publicity!
It looks like Vanessa made a great decision signing with Razor & Tie.  :)

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2011, 01:04:49 pm »
What were the sales for 'Heroes & Thieves' in the US?

Hopefully she'll be with this label for a long time because sale expectations aren't as high on an indie label compared to a major label, and quite frankly I'm getting sick of her jumping from label to label, aha.

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2011, 04:41:01 pm »
What were the sales for 'Heroes & Thieves' in the US?

Hopefully she'll be with this label for a long time because sale expectations aren't as high on an indie label compared to a major label, and quite frankly I'm getting sick of her jumping from label to label, aha.

She should make money on ROTR. Since she financed it herself, the she gets more "points" for the album and therefore makes more money. The record company has to front the money for distribution, promotion, video, etc., but Vanessa gets songwriting (and producing? did she help produce any of the songs?) money.

I have no idea what the sales were for H&T, but I assume the Inc. gave her an advance, which she then had to earn out before she received royalties from sales. Since she went with an independent label, she and the label should make a lot more money than H&T and the Inc. did. And I doubt Nessa went all out with the budget, since the entire thing was self-financed. It's the same way with Tracy Chapman, who hasn't really had a hit album since 1995 but who still makes records every couple of years with the same record company she started with: the budget for the albums are so low, the label and Tracy automatically earn money, no matter if the CD goes gold or platinum or not. It should be the same way with Nessa. Now, if it were someone like Beyonce or Britney, then yeah, they have to sell a bazillion albums just to pay back the budget and make money.



Um...sorry, I kind of didn't answer your question. ???

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2011, 04:46:24 pm »
[ if it were someone like Beyonce or Britney, then yeah, they have to sell a bazillion albums just to pay back the budget and make money.

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why is that?  I'm just curious.  I don't know much about the biz.  Is it because of the auto tune ? lol :) (Britney)
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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2011, 10:57:02 pm »
[ if it were someone like Beyonce or Britney, then yeah, they have to sell a bazillion albums just to pay back the budget and make money.


why is that?  I'm just curious.  I don't know much about the biz.  Is it because of the auto tune ? lol :) (Britney)
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They use very expensive equipments, producers, also touring & appearance costs are through the roof. Not to mention the music video budgets and fashion choices would no doubt cost millions.

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2011, 11:49:59 pm »
[ if it were someone like Beyonce or Britney, then yeah, they have to sell a bazillion albums just to pay back the budget and make money.


why is that?  I'm just curious.  I don't know much about the biz.  Is it because of the auto tune ? lol :) (Britney)

They use very expensive equipments, producers, also touring & appearance costs are through the roof. Not to mention the music video budgets and fashion choices would no doubt cost millions.
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Kinda a waste of money.... :-\

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2011, 05:17:04 am »
Heroes & Thieves sold around 540,000 altogether, I believe. And as a reply to Lydia, yes I think this was a great decision for her! Is is just me or did Irv Gotta just seem extremely fake?

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2011, 05:24:45 am »
540,000 worldwide? Is that figure real? That's a lot more than I expected.

I do think Irv appreciated Vanessa. I think the problem was he didn't know how to promote her. Promoting an artist like Vanessa is very different to promoting the typical artists he's used to promoting (Ashanti, Ja Rule, etc). For what it's worth, they're still friends but business is business and the two parted company ammicably.

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2011, 06:19:49 am »
Well its good that they're still friends! Maybe he wasn't really 'fake' but Idk. Sometimes he came across as such.

And well, I got that figure from Wikipedia, but as good as that album is, it should have sold millions! But, yeah Wikipedia isnt the most credible source so I cant be for sure.

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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2011, 08:24:42 am »
Razor & Tie has a great reputation as an artist-oriented company.  They have done pretty much everything.  As luck would have it, I've worked with someone who used to be on R&T.  That name supposedly refers to being anti-corporate(having to shave and dress up for a job, get it?).

Hopefully, Vanessa has paid for the album herself and will now lease the master to R&T.  That way, she owns the master and not the record company(yippee!)  She must be doing well if she can record at Real World and use 2" analog tape.   That bucks the trend of recording in someone's basement with a Mac and Pro Tools.  Plus, the price of reels of tape versus hard drives is astounding, around $200+ for around 15 minutes last I checked.  I've worked mostly with PT recently simply because I cannot afford analog!

I know that she has tracked some things onto tape but has done mostly PT.  Analog tape can make drums, bass, and yes acoustic piano sound huge.  In theory, this should sound different than the last 3 albums.  Very excited!

The only thing about R&T is that they are smaller and I'm not sure how they do radio.....or if radio even matters anymore.


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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2011, 11:19:30 am »
Heroes & Thieves sold around 540,000 altogether, I believe. And as a reply to Lydia, yes I think this was a great decision for her! Is is just me or did Irv Gotta just seem extremely fake?

Since he and Vanessa are reportedly still friends, I don't think he's fake (she wouldn't keep someone like that in her life?).  With that said, I think he's one of those people that ACT larger than life on camera/in public, ect. because they THINK they are larger than life and try too hard to be such. Seems like he has to be the center of attention, thinks he's the alpha male.. ( I have a brother in law like this...)
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Re: V's new label, Razor & Tie??
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2011, 11:46:55 am »
From what I hear, Irv is really cool. I guess there's a certain image he has to keep up (what with him being the frontman of a major record label), but behind that image he's pretty decent. I remember when he logged on to the official forums all those years ago, just after news had broke that he signed Vanessa, and he seemed pretty excited and even had a small chat with the fans. There were big plans for that album, and from what my friend told me, Vanessa didn't really seem interested in them. Not saying she wanted the album to be a commercial failure, but I mean ... I think Irv and Vanessa had different ideas of what success would be with that album - he wanted her playing at big award shows, scoring hits on the BB charts, etc, etc and she cared more about the critical acclaim and touring.

I think it's good they both realised their BUSINESS relationship wasn't going to work out but their personal friendship remained intact. You hear stories where artists usually leave their label on bad terms and it's all a big mess.