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« on: February 01, 2004, 11:01:29 am »
I have to write a report on this play by Shakespeare. "Who is responsible for Macbeths downfall?" I know it's Macbeth, but I need help lol.

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Anyone good with this play?
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2004, 11:47:45 am »
I studied it not long ago...

I'd say his wife - coz she's the one that provoked him/led him into trouble etc...*shrug*
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2004, 11:54:59 am »
The Corrupting Power of Unchecked Ambition - The main theme of Macbeth—the destruction wrought when ambition goes unchecked by moral constraints—finds its most powerful expression in the play's two main characters. Macbeth is a courageous Scottish general who is not naturally inclined to commit evil deeds, yet he deeply desires power and advancement. He kills Duncan against his better judgment and afterward stews in guilt and paranoia. Toward the end of the play he descends into a kind of frantic, boastful madness. Lady Macbeth, on the other hand, pursues her goals with greater determination, yet she is less capable of withstanding the repercussions of her immoral acts. One of Shakespeare's most forcefully drawn female characters, she spurs her husband mercilessly to kill Duncan and urges him to be strong in the murder's aftermath, but she is eventually driven to distraction by the effect of Macbeth's repeated bloodshed on her conscience. In each case, ambition—helped, of course, by the malign prophecies of the witches—is what drives the couple to ever more terrible atrocities. The problem, the play suggests, is that once one decides to use violence to further one's quest for power, it is difficult to stop. There are always potential threats to the throne—Banquo, Fleance, Macduff—and it is always tempting to use violent means to dispose of them.

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2004, 11:57:19 am »
What about the witches for telling him about what was going to happen.

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2004, 12:18:25 pm »
Oh god Holls! I feel bad for ya... I read that in 10th grade, I don't even wanna think about it lol.  Shakespeare makes me wanna puke.. except Romeo & Juliet.  :?  No offense, I mean I know hes a great writer but.... I personally dont prefer to read his works haha
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2004, 12:37:51 pm »
ugh i feel your pain Holly. I've never read it before, but I'm sure if you look on Sparknotes.com there will be some info that can help you.

I like more of his comedies. The historical and dramatical peices like Hamlet and Macbeth and such are not my favs, but i looooove "A Mid Summer Nights Dream." it's one of the easiest plays i've ever read :-P

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2004, 01:32:17 pm »
Yeah, i'd say Lady Macbeth plays a pretty big role in his demise but the key corrupting force in this is power- which is evident. I did this in year 7 (6 years ago!) so i can't remember much.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2004, 01:42:00 pm »
ooo... yeah Lady Macbeth does seem like a better answer! thanks!
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2004, 01:57:19 pm »
I liked Romeo and Juliet...it was sad...I almost cried in class... :cry:
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2004, 03:41:34 pm »
*is happy*

i'm done with the essay! yay!
now to conquer physics....
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2004, 04:19:28 pm »
ahhhhhhh The Scottish Play, remember not to say [wisper]MacBeth[/wisper] in the theatre very bad luck :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2004, 08:43:55 am »
Quote from: "Holly"
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i'm done with the essay! yay!
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Haha, good luck! :razz:
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2004, 08:24:48 am »
Hmmmm.... Lady MacBeth is an easy answer, but I think it is technically wrong... You probabaly should have gone with the witches and/or MacBeth's own hubris (which doesn't just refer to actual arrogance in a tragedy, it refers to any tragic flaw).  It depends on where you define his downfall.  Typically, tragedies follow a pyramid shape with the rising action ending in act 3 with the turning point or apex.  I wouldn't say MacBeth's downfall began with the murder of the king (inspired by his wife).  I'd say it began with his hubris towards act 3.

There were ways he could have killed the king and taken over and been happy had his own arrgance and confidence (largely caused by the witches who intentionally led him astray) not put him in a vulnerable position.  His fatal flaw was when he decided that killing the king wasn't enough... he also needed to kill all his enemies and their families.

I immagine your teach will make the same argument against you.  Because the classic layout for a tragedy cannot have the turning point in the first and second acts.  But I think your answer, if well defended, will still show an understanding of the work atleast at the HS level and should be fine.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2004, 08:38:20 am »
As you Like it - is sooooooooooooooooooo good!!! you must read it! or see a stage version

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2004, 08:40:55 am »
actually when i think about it i like most of the comedy's better