Religion

[sayyouwould]

only 2 jews?? that's so weird...where I live there are a ton of jews...and then there are towns around me like Canton and Sharon with TONS more jews. It's so weird...I'm used to a lot of jews..and here 2?? weird. I'm kinda feeling left out.  :?

[LimeTwister]

how can there be catholic and christian?

but there isn't like shiites and muslim?

I dont know, maybe it's just because there's more catholics and christians on this board? This board is based in the US, and those are 2 of the main religions here. They both have the same foundations of faith, but are actually very different.

Unless I'm not seeing here, no one has choosen "muslim" yet.

I was just using the muslim for an example.  I mean the Catholic church is a Christian church.  They believe in Christ....So I was wondering why there was the religion, and then a division of the religion...

Though there are many Catholics on here, ultimately they are Christian.

Does that make sense?

I'm gonna shut up now

and there are a few Muslims that are known...lol but again, I was just using them as an example.

[sayyouwould]

isn't Catholicism a branch of Christianity?

[Holly]

You can't really have both, you'd have to have Cathoic and "any of the many Protestant religions" orrr errrrr something, and then theres the Eastern Chruch, which isn't Protestant soooooooo I donno what the best way to put it is. . . .

It's like asking someone "Are you a person or are you a man?"

I don't understand what you're saying...
But the Catholic church and the Christian church are very different. I've grown up in the Christian church (my grandpa is a minister) and have been to 25-35 Catholic masses (i go to a Catholic school) and they are soooo different. They believe in basically the same thing, but the way the worship is way different.

[Holly]

isn't Catholicism a branch of Christianity?

technically it is. But they are different in ways.

to me Catholicism just has a lot more traditions and stuff.

[LimeTwister]

the Catholic church is very different from a Protestant church...not a Christian church, seeing that a Catholic church is a Christian church...

C is saying a man is a person, but would probably say they were a man before saying they were a person.

like a Catholic would say they were a Catholic before they'd say they were a Christian...

also aren't mormons Christians, too?

[sayyouwould]

This is enlightening...please continue. Up until a year or 2 ago I thought every religon that believed in Jesus was the same...they just had special names...oops.

I went to my friends Luthren church because she was going to be singing so when all they talked about was jesus I was kinda like ohh wow...this is how a church is? They don't talk about God? Then I went to my other friends Catholic church because I slept over her house on a Saturday night and her uncle is a deacon so they go every week...but they talked about Jesus and God and I was like  :?:  :?: So...I needed some explaining which I never got fully. :S

[LimeTwister]

ok this could get interesting...and some of this could partially be wrong, because I had World History last semester and may have forgot some stuff since then...

There was the Catholic church (believes Jesus is savior, believes in God, and believes in Mary...though C and CeCe and a few other can clue you in more then I can about this).

Then (don't remember names) somewhere in Greece (i think) they disagreed with the Catholics, and then the Pope excommunicated them(saying they can't get into heaven) and So they started the Greek Orthodox Church and excommunicated the Pope...

those 2 were "rivals" in the Christian church.

Then came a few other people.  One of the most important is Martin Luther, who wanted change in the Christian Church. (The Catholic church, at this time, was pretty much immoral and greedy).  You get the Luthren church from him.  You also have the King of England (Henry the 8th) who started the church of England(is that it?) because the Pope said he could not get a divorce(though he did have a trouble with keeping a wife...but you might have to already know about that).

So the branch of Christianity that has Martin Luther and Henry the 8th are known as Protestant (like prostest.)

I am not sure where a lot of the other divisions of the Chritian church come into play...and Note that that is a very short summary, and I probably left out a ton of important information, and could, myself, be very wrong.

[sayyouwould]

so now there are like 100000 religons dervived from Catholicism?

[LimeTwister]

lol maybe a little less...

and they're not different religions, just different "branches" or divisions?

Same religion.

It's kinda like Christianity and Islam both come from Judaism, but someone's belief changed, and that molded into new religions?

I need to stop, because I am not looking this up lol, and I don't want to start talking about something I know nothing about.

[TSE]

You can't really have both, you'd have to have Cathoic and "any of the many Protestant religions" orrr errrrr something, and then theres the Eastern Chruch, which isn't Protestant soooooooo I donno what the best way to put it is. . . .

It's like asking someone "Are you a person or are you a man?"

I don't understand what you're saying...
But the Catholic church and the Christian church are very different. I've grown up in the Christian church (my grandpa is a minister) and have been to 25-35 Catholic masses (i go to a Catholic school) and they are soooo different. They believe in basically the same thing, but the way the worship is way different.

Joeyyy got my "man" question down . . .and Mormans are Christian. . .

ahem Masses, not masses.  I won't get into the break between East and West, unless you want me too.  

But wayyyyy later, Luther was like "woah none of this shit we're doing is in the Bible, who died and made you pick what we do?  I'm only doing what the Bible says, if it ain't in there it ain't 'truth'"

And the Catholics were like "The Bible and our tradions together are one sourse for our faith, they gotta go hand in hand."

and Luther was like "Screw it, not only are you guys doing schtuff not in the Bible, you're acting really corrupt too.  Letting people buy their way into heaven so you can build Churches and still have enough money to live bettter than anyone out there?  That's wrong, dude."

And then they kinda broke up. And as ar as worship goes, they kicked out all the tradions and did what's in the Bib;e

And as far as henry goes he got special permission to marry his brothers widow, got bored with her then told the pope, "you should never have given me that specail permission.  My counrty isn't listenin' to you no more."

And there we go, I just made the Protestant and Anglican Chruch in vernacular!

I could discuss this much better but I have no patience to type.

[LimeTwister]

and if you're wondering...those are not direct quotes.  :wink:

[Grakthis]

I dislike the phrase"Christian." Honestly not to ofend anyone, though. It's just an opinion.

Like, yesterday's homily (sermon), our priest, Fr. Terry (hehehe) said "Christian Communty" rather than "Catholic Parish" or, my perfered, "Catholic Church." So this gets me thinking girlfriends . . . I believe Christianity is a small fraction of the Catholic belief sytem. So, that's like calling Jews insert generic term for believer in God, Joey and I can't figure this one out, girlfriends. Jews wouldn't appreciate it, as conservative Catholics don't . . . I really have no clue what else to say, but whatever.

Ummm you have no idea do you?  Catholicism is a branch of Christianity.  Not vice versus.  Therefore when your priest said "Christian community" he was being accepting of NON-Catholic Christians who might have been in attendance.

Edit: AS a side note.  There is no such thing as a "Christian" faith.  It doesn't exist.  There are individual churches that call themselves "Christian" but Christian is a BROAD specturm that consists of members of many Christian faiths.  There is no Christian organization.  There is no Christian cardinal.  There is no seperate Christian Holy book.  There is no one who makes decisions about the direction of the "Christian" faith.   I see a lot of people confusing this as though there is a "Christian Church" when there isn't.  But there are Christian churches (with a small c).

[snapple936]

Ummm you have no idea do you?  Catholicism is a branch of Christianity.  Not vice versus.  Therefore when your priest said "Christian community" he was being accepting of NON-Catholic Christians who might have been in attendance.

i agree in terms of the use of the term christian- you aren't one or the other if you are catholic.. you are either solely christian (or another denomination of christianity) or catholic, which is ALSO christian.  from what you are saying i'm not really sure why you don't like the term "christian", ceceeee,  because being catholic is being christian (as derived from believing in christ as savior). maybe i'm missing something here in the logic..

i don't believe religion can be debated- since no one knows what happens after death, how can one religion proclaim to be right against all other religions?  

kelley

EDIT- in this post i basically stated the same words over and over again. it's confusing. my bad. just go on and ignore me if you don't understand what i'm trying to say :-) ROCK!


and i love you.

[LimeTwister]

Except humans can argue about the dumbest stuff...

We're a great race .

wow this is gonna be a lot for people to read...