Religion

[Grakthis]

I meant my Christianity as a whole is different. Being that the way I worship is a part of it, not only what I worship!
I already stated that we believe in the same things... but do things differently.  :roll:  :lol:

But you DON'T neccesarily believe in the same things.

Perhaps, if you are refering to YOUR beliefs, ok.. great! You believe the same as Catholics.  Agreed.

But you said "we" and I am assuming by "we" you mean Christians.  And that is just not true.  Christians as an entire group do not have the same set of beliefs as Catholics.  It's sorta like the difference between State and Federal Government.  The Fed doesn't say "yes or no" on gambling, they leave it up to the states to decide.  But you can't say "the federal government has the same stance on gambling as the state of Nevada".  Because they don't.

[jlmusicchick]

I meant my Christianity as a whole is different. Being that the way I worship is a part of it, not only what I worship!
I already stated that we believe in the same things... but do things differently.  :roll:  :lol:

But you DON'T neccesarily believe in the same things.

Perhaps, if you are refering to YOUR beliefs, ok.. great! You believe the same as Catholics.  Agreed.

But you said "we" and I am assuming by "we" you mean Christians.  And that is just not true.  Christians as an entire group do not have the same set of beliefs as Catholics.  It's sorta like the difference between State and Federal Government.  The Fed doesn't say "yes or no" on gambling, they leave it up to the states to decide.  But you can't say "the federal government has the same stance on gambling as the state of Nevada".  Because they don't.

Andrew has a point. I'm Catholic, and my dad is Methodist. I've been to his church before, and even though I really love the services there, they are completely different from the Masses i go to with my mom. There are little nuances that are different, like cremation (sp?) Most Catholics don't believe it's right to be cremated, but a lot of other Christian denominations don't.

[Holly]

Will you make up your mind Andrew? lol
in the last post you said that they do have the same beliefs... but now you say they're totally opposite?
We do have the same basics... (atleast every christian and catholic i know) believe in God, Jesus, Mary, etc... and the new testament (even though a lot say it is not historically true) it is the basis of both faiths. I said they do things differently... but that's what they have in common?

[Grakthis]

Will you make up your mind Andrew? lol
in the last post you said that they do have the same beliefs... but now you say they're totally opposite?
We do have the same basics... (atleast every christian and catholic i know) believe in God, Jesus, Mary, etc... and the new testament (even though a lot say it is not historically true) it is the basis of both faiths. I said they do things differently... but that's what they have in common?

My stance in my head has been consistent.  If you don't understand it then I obviously didn't phrase it properly on the MB.

I know I didn't say they were totally opposite.  What I said is that they are not the same.

The best I can do at this point is direct you back to my "fed vs state" and "square vs rectangle" analogies because those are very accurate.

A Christian MIGHT have identical beliefs to a Catholic.  But they don't neccesarily HAVE to.  But at the very LEAST they do have a set of beliefs regarding Jesus in common.

In other words, while it is possible that YOUR beliefs are the exact same as a Catholics involving everything except ceremony, that is not neccesarily true of the Christian church in total (which I assume is what you were talking about when you said "we").

Basically, I am taking issue with one word here to correct your last statement.  Had you said "I" instead of "we", I wouldn't have disagreed.

[LimeTwister]

"square vs rectangle"

i was thinking about this like 2 nights ago lol...

anyway, when ya'll are posting ya'll are separating the "Christian church" and the "Catholic church," should the separation come with the Protestant and Catholic churches instead?

[Holly]

I just mean they have the same basics, not the exact same beliefs.

[Grakthis]

I just mean they have the same basics, not the exact same beliefs.

I hate to nit pick, but that depends on what you define as "basics".  If you by basics you mean "beliefs on Jesus as the son of God" then yes.  I agree.  But a Catholic would define transubstantiation of the host as a basic belief and 90% of the Christian sects do not believe in it.

@ Joey - Yes, the difference between Christians and Catholics began with the protestant revolution but the Catholic Churcch is not a protestant church but it is a Christian Church.  The distinction is, if you are Catholic then you are also Christian.  Which is what the discussion is.

[Holly]

I'm in my like 4th year of studying catholicism. And I can't think of anything that I've learned that Christians dont believe in too (that doesnt have to do with traditions).

[Grakthis]

I'm in my like 4th year of studying catholicism. And I can't think of anything that I've learned that Christians dont believe in too (that doesnt have to do with traditions).

.... tran-sub-stantiation  As I said like 4 times..

The Catholics believe that the bread actually BECOMES the body of Jesus Christ.  No other Christian sect believes this (except maybe Baptists... I don't remember for sure).

Also, no other Christian sect believes that Jesus was both the Son of God and God himself.  Catholics do.  (Father, son and holy spirit as a single entity in Jesus....).

I could think of others if I spent some time on it.

[Will]

The Catholics believe that the bread actually BECOMES the body of Jesus Christ.  No other Christian sect believes this (except maybe Baptists... I don't remember for sure).

I'm a Southern Baptist and we don't even hold the "Lord's Supper" to be some communion with God. It's simply a symbol for us.

Also, no other Christian sect believes that Jesus was both the Son of God and God himself.  Catholics do.

Errrrrrr... most Christians I know, including Baptists, hold this belief. It's more or less standard trinitarian theology.

[Holly]

I'm in my like 4th year of studying catholicism. And I can't think of anything that I've learned that Christians dont believe in too (that doesnt have to do with traditions).

.... tran-sub-stantiation  As I said like 4 times..

The Catholics believe that the bread actually BECOMES the body of Jesus Christ.  No other Christian sect believes this (except maybe Baptists... I don't remember for sure).

Also, no other Christian sect believes that Jesus was both the Son of God and God himself.  Catholics do.  (Father, son and holy spirit as a single entity in Jesus....).

I could think of others if I spent some time on it.

I already said the whole communion belief was different! Catholics believe the bread and wine is Christ's body. Christians just think it's symbolic of it.

And every Christian I know, even my grandpa who is a minister believes that Jesus is the son of God and God himself. He is fully human and fully devine.

[Grakthis]

The Catholics believe that the bread actually BECOMES the body of Jesus Christ.  No other Christian sect believes this (except maybe Baptists... I don't remember for sure).

I'm a Southern Baptist and we don't even hold the "Lord's Supper" to be some communion with God. It's simply a symbol for us.

Also, no other Christian sect believes that Jesus was both the Son of God and God himself.  Catholics do.

Errrrrrr... most Christians I know, including Baptists, hold this belief. It's more or less standard trinitarian theology.

Hmmmmmm.  It was ruled on and decided by the Pope long after the protestant reformation that Jesus was both father and son.  I remember studying it because many theologians consider it one of Catholicism's biggest cop-outs.

My understanding is that MOST christian faiths hold that Jesus was the son but not God his or herself.  Perhaps I am wrong on that point.  I'd have to look into it more to have a real opinion on it.

[kev222]

Also, no other Christian sect believes that Jesus was both the Son of God and God himself. Catholics do.

Errrrrrr... most Christians I know, including Baptists, hold this belief. It's more or less standard trinitarian theology.

Most Christians I know also believe this. Most probably because it has a biblical foundation in John 1:1-18. No Pope ruling required.

-Kev

[Grakthis]

Also, no other Christian sect believes that Jesus was both the Son of God and God himself. Catholics do.

Errrrrrr... most Christians I know, including Baptists, hold this belief. It's more or less standard trinitarian theology.

Most Christians I know also believe this. Most probably because it has a biblical foundation in John 1:1-18. No Pope ruling required.

-Kev

That does it.  I am looking into this.  I remember reading about the papal ruling and I remember it being a big controversy......

[rosieposy87]

Also, no other Christian sect believes that Jesus was both the Son of God and God himself. Catholics do.

Errrrrrr... most Christians I know, including Baptists, hold this belief. It's more or less standard trinitarian theology.

Most Christians I know also believe this. Most probably because it has a biblical foundation in John 1:1-18. No Pope ruling required.

-Kev

Yeah, i just took that as given. It is in Church of England anyway.